01:00:01 <inode0> #startmeeting FAmNA 01:00:01 <zodbot> Meeting started Wed Jun 27 01:00:01 2012 UTC. The chair is inode0. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 01:00:01 <zodbot> Useful Commands: #action #agreed #halp #info #idea #link #topic. 01:00:04 <inode0> #meetingname FAmNA 01:00:04 <zodbot> The meeting name has been set to 'famna' 01:00:12 <inode0> #chair rbergeron 01:00:12 <zodbot> Current chairs: inode0 rbergeron 01:00:21 <inode0> #topic Roll Call 01:00:28 <award3535> present 01:00:31 * Sonar_Gal 01:00:42 <MarkDude> \o 01:01:13 * Ryan_Singer is here 01:01:20 * inode0 finishes hotdogs for supper 01:01:57 <inode0> many of our friends are at the Red Hat Summit party tonight but let's start 01:02:02 <inode0> #topic Announcements 01:02:38 <award3535> this is going to be a short meeting 01:02:44 <inode0> don't bet on it :) 01:02:52 * MarkDude is here :D 01:03:09 <inode0> Elections finally ended, yay! 01:03:38 <inode0> Before we look at tickets ... 01:03:41 <inode0> http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Events 01:03:49 <MarkDude> OSCON will be later I imagine. We had a great Beefy Miracle party. 2 new prospective Ambassadors 01:04:04 <inode0> If someone would volunteer to fix up the wiki events page it would be appreciated 01:04:05 * MarkDude will make report and post pics to G+ 01:04:33 <inode0> there is an event in Mexico that should be in LATAM, and a release event at walnut creek in the wrong place as well 01:05:00 <inode0> I assume that is being moved to a later date anyway?! 01:05:15 <inode0> or did it happen? 01:05:27 <MarkDude> It happened 01:05:31 <MarkDude> was awesome 01:05:53 <inode0> ok, please make an event page and link to other reports there 01:06:01 * MarkDude has only put them on fb- will post the pics to G+ and make a proper report- with all documentation 01:06:05 <inode0> that is used by finance and makes them very happy 01:06:20 <inode0> having the actual reports wherever is fine 01:06:44 * inode0 slaps himself 01:07:01 <MarkDude> http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Release_Party_F17_Bay_Area put reports there? 01:07:02 <inode0> there is an event page and a report link! Thanks 01:07:12 <MarkDude> ;) 01:07:25 <inode0> habit to nag for this 01:07:31 * MarkDude is getting better about doing things- blames Fedora in general 01:07:52 <MarkDude> Np inode0 it helps encourage 01:08:11 <Ryan_Singer> (If only MarkDude had Unity to boost his productivity ;-p) 01:08:16 <inode0> Our formal agenda is here as always 01:08:23 <inode0> #link https://fedorahosted.org/famna/report/9 01:08:30 <MarkDude> lol 01:08:51 <inode0> #topic Tickets 01:09:18 <inode0> Is anyone from the Summit present? If not we'll skip helping them with anything tonight... 01:09:50 <inode0> hi nixiepixel, welcom 01:10:07 <inode0> .famnaticket 24 01:10:08 <zodbot> inode0: #24 (OSCON 2012, Jul 16-20, Portland, OR) – FAmNA general trac - https://fedorahosted.org/famna/ticket/24 01:10:17 <inode0> #link #24 (OSCON 2012, Jul 16-20, Portland, OR) – FAmNA general trac - https://fedorahosted.org/famna/ticket/24 01:10:17 <MarkDude> Glad you made it :) 01:10:28 <nixiepixel> Me too! :D 01:10:30 <inode0> #topic (OSCON 2012, Jul 16-20, Portland, OR 01:10:54 <MarkDude> Suehle is actual owner of event. 01:11:10 * MarkDude is stepping in at moment 01:11:11 <inode0> well, those planning to go should take over here 01:11:26 <MarkDude> Well we have 3 here 01:11:35 <MarkDude> Ryan_Singer, and nixiepixel 01:11:42 * Ryan_Singer raises hand nervously 01:12:06 <MarkDude> On the ticket outlines our idea of renting from air bnb 01:12:12 <MarkDude> Speak away Ryan_Singer 01:12:30 <MarkDude> And trying to reach out to greater community 01:12:30 * nixiepixel dances! 01:12:47 <Ryan_Singer> Basically it's a simple proposal: For less than the lodging costs for the three of us; we can rent an amazing venue to stay in and throw a large party 01:13:15 <Ryan_Singer> For example; this place: http://www.airbnb.com/rooms/185479 01:13:37 <inode0> Can you approximate the actual cost for us? 01:13:47 * inode0 likes the idea 01:14:11 <MarkDude> Ryan had a house he rented last year- we had a party- he got sponsors for everything at the party 01:14:19 <Ryan_Singer> for this particular place, I'd have to get in contact with the owner. They charge $500/night for events, with a secret price sheet for lodging 01:15:04 <Ryan_Singer> I'd estimate we could get 7 days lodging with private rooms for the three of us and event permission for under $4,000 01:15:30 <inode0> ok, just so everyone understands how funding stuff normally works we need a budget that doesn't need to be exact but that is reasonably close put on the event page 01:15:36 <Ryan_Singer> which is significantly cheaper than 3 hotel rooms for 7 days 01:15:37 <inode0> http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/OSCON_2012 01:16:28 * MarkDude is ok with sleeping on couch 01:16:36 <award3535> I dont see why you cant do that, I havent seen hotel prices in Portland, but if its cheaper why not 01:16:39 <inode0> things sometimes can be funded from other sources if people get excited, but we need a budget before we can do more than say hey this sounds great 01:16:59 <MarkDude> Transport looks to be a car rental approx $500 01:17:03 <Ryan_Singer> If we can save money that way, we can have MarkDude sleep in a garage or something :-p 01:17:18 <MarkDude> \Some of this would go on CLS budget also 01:17:24 <Ryan_Singer> I own a car, I'd be fine with just standard mileage reimbursement 01:17:24 <MarkDude> Since it is weekend before 01:17:29 <nixiepixel> Would Fedora like some video/blog coverage of the event? 01:17:46 <inode0> Does CLS have a budget on its wiki yet? 01:17:52 <inode0> nixiepixel: of course we would! 01:18:00 <MarkDude> inode0, the idea of Nixie covering and making video for Fedora may get some excited 01:18:03 <nixiepixel> I also have a car, and what Ryan said. :o) 01:18:39 <MarkDude> #item MarkDude will put budget on CLS and OSCON wiki 01:18:40 <nixiepixel> I've been meaning to do a review of the most recent release before OSCON too. If everyone would like some blog posts or video coverage of the event.. having a house would be ideal place to create content, I think. 01:18:46 <inode0> for gas we can reimburse actual expenses with receipts (assuming that is in the budget) 01:19:53 <MarkDude> For some that may not know- Nixie has quite a follwing on her videos and such :) 01:19:54 <Ryan_Singer> Ok. I'll reach out to the house-owner on AirBnB now to negotiate rates so we can budget. 01:20:26 <inode0> I think pretty much everyone will be on board with your goals and plans. We probably will just need to get to the bottom line pretty quickly. 01:20:38 <Ryan_Singer> ok 01:20:43 <MarkDude> inode0, anything else I should put on wiki to make it easier 01:21:14 * MarkDude will work with getting some specifics there- and update the ticket also 01:21:29 <inode0> Put the budget for everything on there, brief statements of what sort of stuff each of you will be doing is helpful too. Those don't need to be real longwinded 01:21:44 <MarkDude> Fair enough 01:22:04 * jsmith will be at OSCon, but will be running a different booth. Will try to help out with what he can. 01:22:08 * nb is around now 01:22:22 <inode0> if you can get a good budget in line by the weekend so we can have it for a couple of days before next week's meeting perhaps we can settle it then 01:22:25 <award3535> evening nb 01:22:26 <MarkDude> Good to see you there jsmith 01:22:47 <MarkDude> yep, this weekend sounds reasonable 01:22:53 <nixiepixel> Do you need my help for anything? I have documentation of my viewership if it will help.. I'd like to help in any way I can. =) 01:23:10 <inode0> I'd like to have a couple of days to spare because I'm sensing this is going to come in considerably higher than a typical OLF/SCaLE number and we might want to see about getting some budget help 01:23:46 * MarkDude thinks your numbers would not hurt nixiepixel 01:23:52 <inode0> nixiepixel: I don't think we need that, after the fact we would want to document links to the stuff you did though. 01:23:53 <MarkDude> They are *big* 01:24:27 <inode0> Generally our sponsor is happy seeing that stuff was actually accomplished and that is enough. 01:24:30 <MarkDude> inode0, so if we have it by this weekend we are in the comfort level 01:25:04 <MarkDude> so I should have some by tomorrow for feedback from Ruth and Robyn I imagine 01:25:13 <inode0> Well, not really comfortable but if we need to look around for help giving us as much time as possible to do that will be nice 01:25:19 <nixiepixel> I have 12 million unique video views, 9 million on Linux alone... I'd be happy to send you exact metrics and demographics if you think they would be of value -- just need an e-mail. 01:25:36 <MarkDude> *awesome* 01:26:13 <nixiepixel> Yeah, having some time is always key. I know I'm new to the community but I also have event coordinator experience, so just say the world if you need any assistance there guys. 01:26:54 <nixiepixel> Or the ^word, hehehe. 01:27:11 * inode0 was going to ask which world 01:27:31 <MarkDude> lol 01:27:45 * MarkDude would like to visit that world 01:27:59 <inode0> so, lets do it this 01:28:05 <nixiepixel> Kronos, of course! 01:28:19 <inode0> whenever you can get the budget sort of itemized on the wiki let someone know 01:28:29 <nixiepixel> Klingons do it best. :D 01:28:41 <inode0> if it happens on next Tuesday night though we have more limited options 01:29:11 <inode0> if it happens Friday and it doesn't look good for our budget we have time to poke other people with funds 01:29:12 <Ryan_Singer> Ok. I just emailed the venue I like best. I'll try to give MarkDude numbers by close of business tomorrow. 01:29:30 <MarkDude> We can do it this weekend- Ryan_Singer nixiepixel lets do some emails, maybe a G+ hangout 01:30:04 <Ryan_Singer> I've seen nixiepixel on G+ hangouts. She goes crazy with the animations... 01:30:14 <inode0> nixiepixel needs to add herself or someone can help to the events page too 01:30:51 <nixiepixel> I resemble that statement! ^_^ 01:31:28 <inode0> Ryan_Singer & nixiepixel: thank you both for being here and getting on the Beefy Miracle Express 01:31:33 <MarkDude> Alright so I have budgets, update wiki- and add names <check> 01:31:43 <nixiepixel> I'm definitely looking forward to making OSCON this year, I'll also have a pro camera, mic and on-camera light bank set up too. 01:31:44 <MarkDude> +1 01:31:50 <Ryan_Singer> inode0: of course! 01:32:52 <inode0> any other loose ends for oscon? 01:32:54 <Ryan_Singer> Ok. I have to hop off and take care of work stuff (my fintech incubator is having two new startups move in!). I'll be in touch with MarkDude and nixiepixel over the next couple of days to finalize the budget request 01:33:06 <inode0> thanks Ryan_Singer 01:33:10 <MarkDude> Sounds good Ryan_Singer ttyl 01:33:24 * nixiepixel waves at Ryan! 01:33:27 <nixiepixel> Have fun! 01:33:34 <MarkDude> nixiepixel, lets talk later- some of the stuff can be put on your wiki page 01:33:40 * Ryan_Singer waves back at nixiepixel. 01:33:48 <Ryan_Singer> thanks guys! 01:34:10 <inode0> ianweller: ping 01:34:14 <nixiepixel> Anything you need really.. I'm ready to jump on board. The lineup for this year looks amazing. 01:34:17 <ianweller> inode0: hello. 01:35:31 <inode0> ok, if I can help with any details please poke me about them - I'd like to see this done at OSCON 01:35:46 <inode0> .famnaticket 37 01:35:47 <zodbot> inode0: #37 (Proposal for distributing Fedora swag outside of conferences/events) – FAmNA general trac - https://fedorahosted.org/famna/ticket/37 01:36:16 <inode0> #info #37 (Proposal for distributing Fedora swag outside of conferences/events) – FAmNA general trac - https://fedorahosted.org/famna/ticket/37 01:36:26 <inode0> #topic Proposal for distributing Fedora swag outside of conferences/events 01:36:29 <nixiepixel> Oooh.. this looks awesome. 01:36:31 <inode0> ianweller: any news here? 01:36:49 <ianweller> no news here other than the proposal existing, and people agreeing that we should do it on a trial basis with stickers/pens, as of last week 01:36:59 <ianweller> the main question in the air is "how much stuff do we send ian to do this" 01:37:28 <MarkDude> nixiepixel, us Ambassadors can already do this- this is for others to be able to do so :) 01:37:32 <ianweller> please correct me if the above is incorrect :) 01:37:34 <inode0> how about ianweller telling how much stuff he wants to do this? :) 01:37:44 <ianweller> inode0: hey that's not a bad idea! 01:37:53 <ianweller> except i have no clue how much stuff you people have :) 01:37:56 <MarkDude> +1 for big pile to ianweller 01:38:12 <inode0> we have approximately 30,000 laptop stickers 01:38:18 <inode0> how many would you like? :) 01:38:19 <award3535> +1 I have almost nothing 01:38:30 <ianweller> 30K as in 30K strips, or 30K individual stickers 01:38:37 <ianweller> i'm assuming the latter 01:38:37 <inode0> individual 01:38:42 <nixiepixel> I suggest that we give out swag with a social media contest.. => 01:39:07 <ianweller> i think 1K-1.5K laptop stickers would be fine to start 01:39:24 <nixiepixel> Put some hints out on Twitter/Facebook/website/etc and first people to find us gets swag . 01:39:28 <inode0> nixiepixel: we have tried a raffle and are willing to try about anything - especially for contributors who often don't get swag 01:39:37 <ianweller> if we don't even come close to that, then, whatever 01:39:49 <ianweller> i can send them back if we end this thing or we can continue to use them 01:39:59 <inode0> I'm not sure how many pens we have - was it 5,000? 01:40:28 <nixiepixel> I got you, using social media to cause buzz during the event is always amazing.. then they can re-tweet or share it, and you can give them pens in return! 01:40:32 <inode0> nb should know how many case badges, also in the 4k or 5k area I think 01:40:40 <nixiepixel> It's kind of fun too, to be honest. =D 01:40:43 <ianweller> nb: kaping 01:40:53 <ianweller> and then i'll ping both rbergeron and nb to hear about beefy miracle stickers. 01:41:04 <ianweller> inode0: how do i go about officially requesting a given amount of stuff 01:41:09 <ianweller> and providing the shipping address, etc 01:41:19 <inode0> open a famnarequests trac ticket and ask for it 01:41:27 <ianweller> ok 01:41:39 <inode0> famnarequests is the private trac 01:41:44 <ianweller> ah, ok. 01:42:14 <ianweller> barring any further questions about this was-proposal now-project, i'm done here 01:42:18 <dan408> hi 01:42:21 <dan408> just got home from work 01:42:24 <inode0> ok, thanks ianweller 01:42:40 <inode0> nixiepixel: there is no problem throwing swag at you for this but 01:42:50 <inode0> who and how will it be sent to the winners? 01:42:52 <nb> inode0, we have 4k 01:43:12 <ianweller> nb: the case badges come in strips, not laptop stickers, right? 01:43:16 <nb> yeah 01:43:22 <nb> but we have 4k individual case badges 01:43:22 <ianweller> nb: so that's 4k stickers, or 4k strips 01:43:24 <ianweller> ok. 01:43:32 <nb> they come in strips of 11 01:43:37 <inode0> not 4k strips 01:43:49 <ianweller> nb: do you have a number of beefy miracle stickers as well or is that some rumor 01:43:57 <nb> i have one pack 01:43:57 <MarkDude> nixiepixel, the swag you would get would be thru Ambadassadors prgram- altho more souces would be welcome ;) 01:44:01 <nb> of maybe idk? 100? 01:44:01 <nixiepixel> inode0, Let me double-check the link you sent and I'll get back to you. 01:44:03 <nb> not many 01:44:13 <nb> whatever one shrink-wrapped pack was 01:44:17 <ianweller> ok 01:44:22 <nb> i think they are going to OLF 01:44:24 <nb> last thing i heard 01:44:27 <ianweller> i'll talk to rbergeron about that then 01:44:32 <nb> ok 01:44:35 <ianweller> i don't know if they printed enough to warrant having them as part of this same thing. 01:44:41 <ianweller> inode0: ok now i'm actually done :) 01:44:55 <dan408> did anyone know if vwbusguy shipped my kit? 01:45:21 <inode0> I guess that is on topic 01:45:23 <nixiepixel> Oh inode0 I was thinking they would be items that wouldn't require shipping, my bad. 01:45:54 <inode0> nixiepixel: oh, I misunderstood, you mean for people at the event - that is a great idea 01:46:06 <inode0> we can get you stuff for that no problem 01:46:56 <nixiepixel> inode0, Roger - I think it would be fun to do a type of Fedora treasure hunt, if you will.. to get some more follows for your social media networks and swag for the followers. 01:47:00 <inode0> #info send nixiepixel a boatload of social media prizes for OSCON 01:47:16 <MarkDude> nixiepixel, we can sort out some of this in #fedora-mktg also 01:47:31 <nixiepixel> Absolutely MarkDude :) 01:47:48 <inode0> strike boatload and make it a beefy bunload 01:47:55 <dan408> nice 01:48:02 <MarkDude> +1 for Beefy Miracles 01:48:13 <nixiepixel> With extra mustard! 01:48:34 <inode0> do it with relish! 01:48:45 <nixiepixel> This is going to be great, I've been putting off going to OSCON until I've had a bit more time so I'm excited to meet everyone. :-) 01:48:54 <nixiepixel> I relish the though inode0 01:48:58 <nixiepixel> Wah wah, =D 01:49:22 <dan408> ticket https://fedorahosted.org/famnarequests/ticket/280 is still open 01:49:47 <inode0> dan408: contact scott about that ticket please 01:49:49 <dan408> ticket https://fedorahosted.org/famnarequests/ticket/281 was closed as a duplicate of 280 01:49:54 <dan408> ok 01:50:19 <inode0> let's not discuss the FADNA ticket but I'll link here so we remember it is on the horizon 01:50:30 <inode0> .famnaticket 36 01:50:33 <zodbot> inode0: #36 (Fedora Ambassador Day North America (FADNA)) – FAmNA general trac - https://fedorahosted.org/famna/ticket/36 01:50:41 <inode0> #info #36 (Fedora Ambassador Day North America (FADNA)) – FAmNA general trac - https://fedorahosted.org/famna/ticket/36 01:50:55 <inode0> #topic Fedora Ambassador Day North America (FADNA) 01:51:08 <dan408> thank you for the link 01:51:11 <nixiepixel> oooh 01:51:16 <dan408> i will put my comments there 01:51:17 <inode0> Please add ideas, comments, suggestions, locations, offers to help, etc. to the ticket. 01:51:19 <award3535> has there been a location decision yet 01:51:29 <dan408> no. 01:51:37 <dan408> 2 location proposals of orlando and atlanta. 01:51:50 <inode0> #link http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Fedora_Ambassador_Day_North_America_2010 01:52:17 <nixiepixel> hahah.. a location proposal for FAmNA "Phoenix, AZ but it's 'hella hot' " 01:52:21 <inode0> that is a link to our last FADNA for reference about some of the sorts of work we typically do at such events 01:52:35 <dan408> wow it was in Ames, Iowa? 01:52:46 <award3535> Phoenix isnt a major hub 01:52:47 <nixiepixel> Hey now dan408 .. Iowa isn't so bad! 01:52:47 <dan408> where is that? 01:52:52 * nixiepixel is from Iowa. =D 01:53:00 <dan408> i didn't say anything bad about Iowa! 01:53:01 <nixiepixel> It's a college town, heh. 01:53:07 <inode0> As I have mentioned several times, it will almost always be where someone lives who can arrange things. 01:53:25 <inode0> throwing out las vegas isn't going to make anything happen 01:53:29 <dan408> i fully support orlando, fl 01:53:33 <award3535> I live near orlando and atalnta 01:53:40 <award3535> closer to orlando 01:53:41 <inode0> people have to actually organize all the little details 01:53:53 <inode0> and that is easier if someone lives there 01:54:00 <nixiepixel> San Francisco is a hub... <insert evil grin here> 01:54:06 <inode0> cornfields are good for concentration too :) 01:54:13 <award3535> I have family in orlando 01:54:21 <dan408> with that said I fully support San Francisco +1 nixiepixel 01:54:27 <nixiepixel> You bet inode0 :D 01:54:53 <nixiepixel> Do you guys do polls? That could be a quick way to decide, I think.. 01:54:54 <MarkDude> NorCal does have 5+ people that can help 01:55:04 <inode0> Please, if someone wants to make a serious proposal for SF or Orlando that is fine. We need a lot more than the name of a city though. 01:55:11 <dan408> yep 01:55:17 <dan408> organizational details 01:55:18 <dan408> ok 01:55:33 <MarkDude> dan408, nixiepixel if you guys want to push for it lets talk later on it 01:55:34 <award3535> How many and what area 01:55:59 <dan408> cool 01:56:16 * inode0 will be in SF last week of August so maybe we can have an ambassador meetup 01:56:25 <nixiepixel> Okay MarkDude.. I'm cool with wherever.. I think we should put up a poll to get general consensus, and I can get all the travel details ironed out then. =) 01:56:33 <dan408> +1 inode0 01:56:52 <award3535> +1 01:57:00 <MarkDude> And we need to plan some cool meetup when he makes it out 01:57:17 * MarkDude will be in Vegas the last weekend of Aug I think 01:57:21 <inode0> OK, please think about it and remember it is never going to happen without a clearly defined agenda with deliverables ... that is what makes it fundable :) 01:57:31 <dan408> MarkDude: just think of vmworld 01:57:35 <dan408> same time as vmworld 01:57:51 <MarkDude> yep deliverables are key- stuff that can be MEASURED 01:57:59 <inode0> #topic Open Floor 01:58:13 <inode0> We have a few minutes left for random mayhem 01:58:23 <dan408> just wanted to say welcome to the new ambassadors! 01:58:27 <award3535> is still swimming in the back yard from all the water 01:58:39 <award3535> ditto 01:59:09 <nixiepixel> Thank you dan408 it's super great to be here.. hopefully I can do you proud :D 01:59:50 <dan408> yeah good to see you on! i sent you a pm. 02:00:28 <inode0> oh, is the 6' Beefy Miracle dude going to OSCON? 02:00:35 <inode0> surely he is 02:00:37 <dan408> lol 02:01:45 <MarkDude> Ryan was also just approved 02:02:07 <inode0> Southern_Gentlem: anything from you before we close up shop tonight? 02:02:14 * MarkDude plans on throwing dan408 in a trunk and taking him to OSCON 02:02:28 <inode0> when we close up shop we really just head back to #fedora-ambassadors 02:02:28 <nixiepixel> ^_^ MarkDude 02:02:53 <inode0> if not, then thank you all for coming and helping 02:03:04 <nixiepixel> Anyime inode0 02:03:10 <inode0> see you next Tuesday at the same place and time - with a bigger crowd 02:03:13 <dan408> lol 02:03:17 <inode0> #endmeeting