01:00:01 <inode0> #startmeeting FAmNA 01:00:01 <zodbot> Meeting started Wed May 30 01:00:01 2012 UTC. The chair is inode0. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 01:00:01 <zodbot> Useful Commands: #action #agreed #halp #info #idea #link #topic. 01:00:09 <dan408> hello 01:00:14 <inode0> #meetingname FAmNA 01:00:14 <zodbot> The meeting name has been set to 'famna' 01:00:22 <inode0> #chair rbergeron 01:00:22 <zodbot> Current chairs: inode0 rbergeron 01:00:31 <inode0> #topic Roll Call 01:00:35 <dan408> here 01:00:44 <award3535> evening everyone 01:00:54 * graphite6 nom noms on stroganoff 01:01:08 <inode0> beefy stroganoff? 01:01:09 * jsmith lurks 01:01:18 <graphite6> yes! 01:01:29 * Sonar_Gal 01:01:31 * kk4ewt 01:01:50 <dan408> Sonar_Gal! 01:02:05 <inode0> #topic Announcements 01:03:51 <inode0> nothing to announce today? anyone? 01:03:55 <dan408> hmm 01:04:05 <dan408> Release party on June 23rd 01:04:11 <dan408> if it hasn't been announced for Silicon Valley 01:04:20 <inode0> #link https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Elections 01:04:21 <kk4ewt> F17 released 01:04:32 <chanchito> greetings everyone! sorry im late 01:04:37 <inode0> We are in the middle of the election process now, three townhalls remain 01:04:44 <dan408> kk4ewt: oh yeah that happened 01:04:45 <inode0> voting will open on Friday I think 01:05:06 <award3535> I plan to join in with tomorrows townhall 01:05:19 <inode0> two townhalls are tomorrow, please join in if you can 01:05:48 <inode0> the board also has a public meeting on IRC between the townhalls, those are good to attend too 01:06:11 <dan408> probably will not be able to join 01:06:22 <dan408> but i will read the townhall public logs 01:06:30 <inode0> and FAmSCo has a meeting after the townhalls 01:06:35 <inode0> it is meeting day! 01:06:54 <dan408> inode0: can i submit absentee questions? 01:07:34 <inode0> you can ask the moderator, up to whoever that is 01:08:07 <inode0> the questionnaire is really the place to ask questions though in an absentee fashion 01:08:24 <inode0> ok, let's move on 01:08:34 <inode0> #topic Tickets 01:08:56 <inode0> #link https://fedorahosted.org/famna/report/9 01:09:03 <dan408> inode0: ok 01:09:10 <inode0> nothing new has been added 01:09:26 <inode0> .famnaticket 11 01:09:27 <zodbot> inode0: #11 (LinuxFest Northwest 2012, Apr 28-29, Bellingham, WA) – FAmNA general trac - https://fedorahosted.org/famna/ticket/11 01:09:39 <inode0> nothing new, still trying to get a report from this event on the wiki 01:09:51 * inode0 pokes rbergeron 01:09:59 <award3535> I have tried several attempts no replies 01:10:20 <inode0> award3535: thanks, we have both tried and there comes a time to give up 01:10:35 <inode0> we just won't fund it next year :) 01:10:36 <award3535> roger, 01:11:11 <inode0> but I think we can get rbergeron to put something up there 01:11:15 <dan408> that brings up a question 01:11:20 <dan408> is there a silicon valley linux fest? 01:11:36 <inode0> maybe save that for open floor? 01:12:00 <dan408> k 01:12:25 <inode0> I'm not aware of a community linuxfest in the area though, there could well be some I don't know about 01:12:57 <dan408> saving for open floor 01:13:04 <inode0> these other tickets don't have anything new either 01:13:17 <dan408> wait 01:13:30 <inode0> But let's discuss SELF at least briefly 01:13:33 <dan408> .famnaticket 33 01:13:34 <zodbot> dan408: #33 (2012 Fedora Merchandise Order) – FAmNA general trac - https://fedorahosted.org/famna/ticket/33 01:13:40 <dan408> can we discuss this 01:14:33 <inode0> if you'd like to discuss tickets the ideal way is to add the meeting tag so they are added to the agenda and we can look at them before the meeting 01:14:40 <inode0> but sure, what do you want to discuss? 01:15:06 <dan408> has this merchandise been ordered? 01:15:59 * inode0 isn't clear what "this merchandise" is exactly 01:16:37 <inode0> A lot of merchandise has been ordered 01:16:51 <inode0> case badges, pens, laptop stickers at least 01:17:16 <inode0> graphite6: I was going to ask related to SELF but how is the button order coming? 01:17:24 <graphite6> the 1500 fedora buttons, and 500 beefy buttons were ordered on wednesday, I need to update the ticket 01:17:31 <inode0> woohoo 01:17:37 <dan408> regarding the timbuk2 bags 01:17:56 <dan408> in my findings someone mentioned that Fedora isn't a true 501(c)(3), is this true? 01:18:02 <dan408> either way timbuk2 has not replied. 01:18:07 <inode0> Fedora is not a non-profit 01:18:38 <dan408> inode0: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Foundation says otherwise. 01:18:53 <kk4ewt> dan408: that never happened 01:19:08 <dan408> that should be updated. 01:19:11 <kk4ewt> it was looked into and was abandoned 01:19:17 <Sonar_Gal> ok can we get to what we need to discuss 01:19:30 <inode0> what is that Sonar_Gal? :) 01:19:55 <Sonar_Gal> The ticket not all the interuptions 01:19:58 <dan408> what is the deal with tshirts 01:20:03 <dan408> only 300? why not more? 01:20:15 <dan408> i really feel like tshirts are probably some of the best swag 01:20:19 <inode0> there is not going to be a t-shirt order until there is a t-shirt design 01:20:22 <dan408> people wear tshirts and it makes them walking billboards 01:20:35 <inode0> dan408: we can't afford 2000 t-shirts 01:20:36 <dan408> there is a beefy miracle tshirt design and a fedora tshirt design 01:20:39 <kk4ewt> dan408: read the announcement at the top of that page 01:21:17 <inode0> Let's move on to SELF if there is anything we should touch on for that event? 01:21:37 <inode0> #topic SELF 01:21:47 <kk4ewt> hopefully i get swag and media in time 01:22:05 <inode0> nb: what is the media status? is your begging and pleading working? 01:22:06 <kk4ewt> looks like the food drive is arranged 01:22:07 <award3535> I will bring a good camera for pictures..... and provide them for post write up 01:22:14 <chanchito> ben how are you doing on pens? (mario here) 01:22:28 <chanchito> need more? 01:22:29 <kk4ewt> chanchito: pens suppose to be on order 01:22:34 <chanchito> ok sir 01:22:46 <chanchito> otherwise i have about 500 i could ship to you 01:22:52 <chanchito> i just need the address and waybill again 01:23:03 <dan408> chanchito: that reminds me. i forgot to email you 01:23:09 <dan408> chanchito: or did I email you? 01:23:15 <chanchito> mario.balletta@gmail.com 01:23:18 <inode0> is this email about SELF? 01:23:19 <chanchito> not yet 01:23:23 <chanchito> yes 01:23:23 <dan408> k 01:23:59 <kk4ewt> i will issue a shipping ticket for the pens that mario has 01:24:11 <graphite6> did Scott McBrien in Atlanta office receive the new pens? 01:24:16 * inode0 hasn't made final arrangements to with the food pantry - makes a sticky note 01:24:36 <chanchito> thx a million ben! 01:24:41 <inode0> I haven't heard from StabbyMc 01:25:07 <graphite6> ah, now I have his nick 01:25:17 <inode0> I just pinged him over there 01:25:19 <graphite6> he should have gotten the 2000 new pens 01:25:49 <inode0> so do we have some high priorities for SELF this week? 01:25:58 <dan408> chanchito: thanks, email sent. sorry i had the email half written and saved as a draft and totally forgot to send it. should I file a trac ticket? 01:26:22 <kk4ewt> dan408: this has what to do with SELF 01:26:24 <inode0> can private conversations not be interspersed with a meeting? 01:26:33 <dan408> sorry 01:26:57 <chanchito> it is about the shipping the pens for SELF 01:27:05 <chanchito> not a private sidebar 01:27:10 <dan408> chanchito: PM please 01:27:16 <inode0> I'm lost 01:27:18 <kk4ewt> chanchito: not you but dan408 is the issue 01:27:20 <chanchito> ok sorry 01:27:23 <chanchito> my mistake 01:27:31 <chanchito> i assumed we were still discussing the SELF ticket 01:27:39 <dan408> they are. 01:27:40 <inode0> we are trying to 01:27:45 <kk4ewt> we are but dan408 doesnt seem to be 01:27:50 <dan408> uh 01:28:01 <dan408> i said sorry, and PMed chanchito 01:28:05 <dan408> please discuss SELF 01:28:09 <inode0> thanks 01:28:22 <inode0> big things remaining 01:28:29 <inode0> 1 - media 01:28:37 <kk4ewt> ok nb and I will be doing a ARRL VE Test session 01:28:55 <inode0> last I heard nb is trying hard to get an early shipment to SELF 01:29:30 <inode0> 2 - food drive 01:29:53 <inode0> I'll be sure to contact the pantry this week and finish up arrangements with them 01:30:03 <inode0> 3 - Dogcart 01:30:32 <inode0> 4 - other cool stuff rbergeron has in the works 01:30:42 <inode0> but we aren't getting an update tonight 01:31:13 <inode0> kk4ewt: I saw an announcement so your radio stuff is all set? 01:31:52 <inode0> Have you had a chance to test out the new equipment? Did you get the new equipment? 01:31:55 <kk4ewt> well i should see the stuff this week and we will iron out the other details friday night of self for the table 01:32:26 <inode0> ok 01:32:41 <award3535> are we talking about amatuer radio's 01:32:55 <kk4ewt> yes 01:33:20 <kk4ewt> nb and I will be doing some ham demos at the table 01:33:23 <award3535> great, in the navy i was a communications specialist 01:33:55 <kk4ewt> aprs and hopefully ptk31 01:34:10 <kk4ewt> award3535: so study and take the examon sunday 01:35:07 <inode0> we have one meeting left before SELF so let's all agree to have everything in order by next week's meeting 01:35:27 <kk4ewt> i have a roll of tickets in case we need them or the dog cart 01:35:36 <inode0> cool 01:36:06 <inode0> ok, let's move on 01:36:13 <inode0> #topic Open Floor 01:36:26 <dan408> ! 01:36:30 <kk4ewt> last meeting rbergeron said the dogcart had been arranged 01:36:35 <inode0> mayhem can be inserted here 01:36:40 <dan408> trac needs to be updated to add Fedora 17 01:36:51 <inode0> what trac? 01:37:01 <kk4ewt> all of them 01:37:05 <inode0> probably 01:37:05 <dan408> https://fedorahosted.org/famnarequests/ 01:37:13 <dan408> fedora 17 is not selectable 01:37:34 <kk4ewt> dan408: does it really matter 01:37:34 <inode0> yeah, give me a minute 01:37:46 <dan408> kk4ewt: you tell me. 01:37:53 <kk4ewt> not really 01:38:02 <dan408> ok. 01:39:25 <inode0> should be now 01:39:32 <kk4ewt> dan408: so about your event in jun 01:39:36 <dan408> yes 01:39:58 <kk4ewt> you have the Vbanners on the way and i think that markdude has the event box 01:40:07 <kk4ewt> what else do you think you need 01:40:13 <dan408> kk4ewt: was it just banners in that box? 01:40:22 <dan408> i still have not received my ambassadors kit 01:40:30 <kk4ewt> yes just banners is all i shipped to you 01:40:34 <dan408> ok 01:40:38 <dan408> I need my ambassador kit. 01:40:41 <dan408> I have just put in a request to chanchito for pens 01:41:06 <kk4ewt> you dont put in a request to mario for pens you go through the track 01:41:10 <chanchito> i have two boxes of pens, about 500 per box, one is going to SELF for Ben and the other to Dan for his west coast event 01:41:23 <dan408> kk4ewt: https://fedorahosted.org/famnarequests/ticket/282 01:41:36 <kk4ewt> then we will handle it 01:41:43 <chanchito> ill edit a comment to say i shipped them 01:41:54 <chanchito> with the details and tracking information 01:41:56 <dan408> https://fedorahosted.org/famnarequests/ticket/281 was closed as a duplicate of 280 and now i have no ambassador kit on the way 01:42:24 <inode0> Scott said in the ticket he would combine them 01:42:26 <kk4ewt> dan408: how can we send you an ambassador kit with no media 01:42:28 <dan408> kk4ewt: i dont know exactly what markdude has in his event kit. i will call him tonight but I Would like tshirts more than anything. 01:42:31 <inode0> please talk to scott 01:42:42 <dan408> kk4ewt: send me media if you want, I'm saying I don't need it. 01:43:12 <dan408> what is it? A fedora 17 logo with Fedora 17 blue logo printed on it? 01:43:20 <dan408> err fedora 17 dvd* 01:43:27 <kk4ewt> what is what 01:43:30 <dan408> the media 01:43:32 <chanchito> i have some F16 media I believe, but at this point, I think media is not a good expense anymore 01:43:43 <dan408> +1 chanchito 01:43:56 <chanchito> more and more people ask for shirts and hats 01:44:00 <kk4ewt> i have to disagree 01:44:02 <dan408> i/people want tshirts, hats, usb drives, etc. 01:44:04 <inode0> no, I am sure dan408 will get an ambassador kit but this isn't an emergency 01:44:12 <dan408> tshirts are walking advertisements 01:44:20 <chanchito> people wash and wear over and over 01:44:31 <dan408> nobody wears a fedora pin to work. 01:44:31 <kk4ewt> dan408: which is useless if we dont have contributors 01:44:48 <award3535> I kinda agree, I wear tshirts all the time 01:44:51 <chanchito> i wish they were cheaper 01:44:58 * inode0 has pins on his backpack at work every day 01:44:59 <dan408> we have contributors, idea for people to see me in my cool fedora shirt and ask me about fedora and my tshirt. 01:45:07 <dan408> if i have to donate money for tshirts let me know. 01:45:07 * inode0 doesn't normally wear t-shirts to work 01:45:16 * dan408 wears tshirts to work every day 01:45:26 <kk4ewt> dan408: fedora pens get alot of use 01:45:39 <dan408> kk4ewt: Agreed but you dont wear pens. 01:45:46 <dan408> unless the inx explodes on you.. 01:45:49 <dan408> ink* 01:45:55 <inode0> dan408: please, you'll get a shirt in due course 01:45:57 <dan408> silicon valley dress codes are very relaxed. 01:46:09 <Sonar_Gal> No women carry pens in there purses and use them daily, Men normally carry a pen in there pocket and use it daily 01:46:12 <chanchito> story of my life, pockets and exploding pens 01:46:14 <dan408> inode0: im not talking about 1 shirt. I'd like to give out dozens or hundreds of shirts 01:46:32 <inode0> well, good luck with that 01:46:34 <award3535> Well I work in an aircraft hanger as an IT and ruin more clothes to T shirts are the cheaper way 01:46:38 <dan408> yeah i guesss so. 01:46:45 <Sonar_Gal> dan408, You have to remember there is a budget that we have to work with so can't just hand out everything 01:46:46 <inode0> dan408: you need to be reasonable 01:47:04 <dan408> so spending thosands on buttons, stickers and temporary tattoos is reasonable, inode0? 01:47:09 <dan408> okay. 01:47:12 <inode0> we buy 300 for the entire country including many large events, we aren't going to send hundreds or dozens to you 01:47:49 <dan408> if we need to find a cheaper tshirt vendor so be it. 01:47:55 <chanchito> i wish there was a way, even if it meant using an overseas (china) supplier to bulk order tens of thousands of t-shirts and hats per year and distribute 01:48:02 <dan408> tshirts, hats, and other cool things. 01:48:03 <kk4ewt> dan408: we havent spent 1000 on temp tatoos and the # we bought has lasted his 3 years 01:48:21 <dan408> kk4ewt: because nobody wants them. 01:48:41 <kk4ewt> dan408: i give 100;s out at several conferences 01:48:41 <chanchito> tatoos seem to last, only a few small children even picked them up at my event, most adults ignored them, like the stickers and buttons 01:49:01 <kk4ewt> case badges everyone wants 01:49:06 <chanchito> but every event can be different 01:49:13 <dan408> everyone wants case badges? 01:49:16 <dan408> news to me.. 01:49:25 <inode0> it depends on the event 01:49:31 <dan408> depends on the region. 01:49:47 <inode0> some things will be more popular at community conferences, other things more popular at corporate conferences 01:49:56 <dan408> i will tell you here in silicon valley people want usb drives, tshirts, hats, polos, higher end swag. 01:49:57 <chanchito> i think when the event is a college campus, more students and friends attend, thus hats and shirts are the rave 01:50:00 <dan408> lanyards too. 01:50:02 <inode0> case badges are pretty popular at every conference I've been to 01:50:02 <chanchito> exactly 01:50:14 * rbergeron arrives late, sleepy 01:50:18 <kk4ewt> dan408: Even SCale i had people wanting the case badges more than anything else 01:50:28 <chanchito> but when the event is a conference floor, with paid vendors and sponsors, then media and USB and other trinkets become the rave 01:50:31 <dan408> meh 01:50:42 <inode0> dan408: we aren't going to get anywhere wanting what we can't have 01:50:57 <dan408> we need to find a cheaper supplier for clothing 01:51:00 <dan408> this is ridiculous. 01:51:14 <kk4ewt> dan408: that is your mission 01:51:25 <inode0> yeah, go do it 01:51:31 <dan408> stickers, pins, temporary tattos, how old are we? 14? 01:51:38 <rbergeron> dan408: make a polite argument for it on-list and find a vendor. 01:51:40 <dan408> sure ill take it on. 01:51:45 <dan408> no problem. 01:51:50 <dan408> send me a tshirt design 01:51:52 <dan408> can you do that? 01:51:54 <chanchito> excellent! 01:52:00 <inode0> and we are 8 and 1/2 01:52:06 <award3535> dan408 you need to action yourself 01:52:12 <chanchito> :-) ! 01:52:12 <rbergeron> we have 80k per year to spend, worldwide, on all swag, media, events, and sponsoring travel for ambassadors to those events. 01:52:14 <kk4ewt> dan408: i have been waiting for a Tshirt design so i can price it with the vendor we used at Fudcon 01:52:14 <dan408> how do i do that? 01:52:42 <chanchito> a small suggestion 01:52:42 <dan408> kk4ewt: i will find mizmo/duffy and get it done. 01:52:50 <rbergeron> iirc the dollar amount 01:52:53 <award3535> use the pound sign with action and your user name 01:53:08 <dan408> #action dan408 to find a cheaper vendor for clothing 01:53:24 <chanchito> i helped a political candidate save thousands by locating multi-lot closeouts of t-shirts, bought from closeout chains like BLDG 19 up north, or Dollar Tree 01:53:27 <inode0> no one can action themselves now because I got tired of people randomly ending the meeting 01:53:36 <dan408> LOL 01:53:37 <rbergeron> and bear in mind we cant spend 20k/year on shirts. 01:53:42 <chanchito> they will sell a closed out multi lot fast and cheap and then all you need is a screen printer 01:53:47 <dan408> feel free to action it then inode0 01:53:57 <inode0> feel free to just go do it 01:54:02 <dan408> you spend 20k a year on 300 shirts? 01:54:14 <inode0> no, that is the total for EVERYTHING 01:54:39 <chanchito> in other words, out of the 80K for the world, north america gets 20K 01:54:41 <kk4ewt> 300 t-shirts =1500+ 01:54:51 <dan408> rbergeron: nobody is saying 20k a year on shirts, I am saying (Along with chanchito) spend less money on buttons, stickers, pens, temp tattos and more on clothing. 01:55:00 <inode0> and EVERYTHING includes a lot more than swag 01:55:13 <chanchito> travel, help for people, meals, etc 01:55:18 <chanchito> i get it 01:55:20 <rbergeron> media 01:55:21 <kk4ewt> dan408: so no other swag than tshirts 01:55:23 <Sonar_Gal> why should we change what works 01:55:34 <rbergeron> is anout 8k per year 01:55:42 <chanchito> i have a million dollar budget i am responsible for and i know it goes FAST 01:55:44 <dan408> Sonar_Gal: you want to get rid of release names, they have been working for years. you tell me. 01:56:06 <Sonar_Gal> wow all this arguing for nothing 01:56:06 * inode0 moves that is going nowhere - come back with a concrete proposal to discuss 01:56:12 <dan408> yes 01:56:14 <dan408> im done. 01:56:25 <kk4ewt> rbergeron: status of SELF please 01:56:26 <inode0> rbergeron: do you have any updates on SELF stuff? 01:56:43 <dan408> afk, going home from work. 01:56:46 <inode0> geez, are we finishing each other's sentences now? 01:57:24 <kk4ewt> great minds think alike 01:57:36 <award3535> +1 01:57:37 <rbergeron> kk4ewt: what status do you need? 01:57:55 <kk4ewt> dogcart is a go correct? 01:58:07 <kk4ewt> are we giving away free dogs? 01:58:13 <rbergeron> we have a note in w/jeremy re: the food drive, and there are tweets scheduled to remind people over the next 2ish weeks. 01:58:48 <rbergeron> ruth has arranged with a hot dog vendor for hot dogs, to be across the street. i can get details from her in the morning. 01:58:55 <rbergeron> a standup beefy miracle is coming. 01:58:57 <inode0> dogcart, beefy standup, any other brilliant ideas you teased us with :) 01:59:09 <rbergeron> he is ordered. 01:59:38 <rbergeron> oh, wait, he was attempted to order, but we are working on resizing the artwork or shrinking him slightly, my mistake 01:59:52 <rbergeron> he is almost ordered :D 02:00:08 <rbergeron> sorry, been a hectic week 02:01:21 <inode0> are we finished? 02:01:44 <award3535> I have nothing else to add 02:01:53 <chanchito> so far i checked, no wounds, no bleeding, just some scrapes and bruises 02:02:02 <chanchito> pretty good! 02:02:11 <chanchito> kidding folks! 02:02:15 <chanchito> smile :-) 02:02:21 <inode0> ok, thanks everyone for coming and for helping 02:02:26 <inode0> go play with beefy 02:02:32 <inode0> #endmeeting