03:58:26 #startmeeting 03:58:26 Meeting started Sat May 26 03:58:26 2012 UTC. The chair is bckurera. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 03:58:26 Useful Commands: #action #agreed #halp #info #idea #link #topic. 03:58:44 agenda for the meeting 03:58:47 #link https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Meeting:APAC_Ambassadors_2012-05-26 03:59:03 Good to see you all after the FUDcon KL 2012 03:59:08 +1 03:59:17 #topic Ambassador Pinging 03:59:28 .fas arifiauo 03:59:29 arifiauo: arifiauo 'Arif Tri Waluyo' 03:59:33 .fas dramsey 03:59:34 dramsey: dramsey 'David Ramsey' 03:59:37 .fas jurankdankkal 03:59:38 jurank_dankkal: jurankdankkal 'Prima Yogi Loviniltra' 03:59:44 #chair dramsey tuanta Suresh arifiauo 03:59:44 Current chairs: Suresh arifiauo bckurera dramsey tuanta 03:59:53 .fas tuanta 03:59:54 tuanta: tuanta 'Truong Anh Tuan' 04:00:03 #chair jurank_dankkal 04:00:03 Current chairs: Suresh arifiauo bckurera dramsey jurank_dankkal tuanta 04:00:24 #meetingname apac-fam-biweekly 04:00:24 The meeting name has been set to 'apac-fam-biweekly' 04:00:26 .fas suresht 04:00:27 Suresh: suresht 'Sureshkumar Packiyarajah' 04:00:28 .fas bckurera 04:00:31 bckurera: bckurera 'Buddhika Kurera' 04:00:51 #chair kaio_ph 04:00:51 Current chairs: Suresh arifiauo bckurera dramsey jurank_dankkal kaio_ph tuanta 04:00:58 #chair maktrix 04:00:58 Current chairs: Suresh arifiauo bckurera dramsey jurank_dankkal kaio_ph maktrix tuanta 04:01:13 ok shall we move to the next topic then? 04:01:14 great to see you all here today :) 04:01:22 +1 bckurera 04:01:23 +1 04:01:29 +1 04:01:29 +1 04:01:33 #topic Review *ACTION* items from the last meeting 04:01:34 +1 04:01:34 here in spirit 04:01:38 +1 04:02:15 .fas MarkDude 04:02:16 MarkDude: markdude 'Mark Terranova' 04:02:25 .fas mahayalamkhan@gmail.com 04:02:26 maktrix: mak 'Mahay Alam Khan' 04:02:46 #link http://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting/2012-05-05/apac.2012-05-05-04.00.html 04:03:08 .fas me@kaio 04:03:08 kaio_ph: kaio 'Caius Chance (かいお)' 04:03:17 most of Action Items are on FUDcon KL 04:03:30 +1 04:03:41 how about this 04:03:41 we should mark all here to follow up 04:03:42 all we should update all upcoming F17 release parties onto wiki 04:04:14 all done at my side. 04:04:22 me too 04:04:28 +1 04:04:35 I was uploading pics. 04:04:45 Then report will follow. 04:04:58 great :) kaio_ph 04:05:45 +1 bckurera 04:07:28 #info F17 would be released in a couple days; so hurry up, post all your planning release parties onto wiki and announce to everyone, especially your participants 04:07:42 +1 tuanta 04:07:47 I have RC4 on my vbox. 04:07:51 +1 Tuan - tuanta 04:08:02 #chair bckurera_ 04:08:02 Current chairs: Suresh arifiauo bckurera bckurera_ dramsey jurank_dankkal kaio_ph maktrix tuanta 04:08:36 anyother action item left> 04:09:00 ! 04:09:06 kaio_ph: I have been used F17 Alpha 04:09:13 please arifiauo 04:09:20 when we can obtain final release ISOs from Release Engineering for duplication? 04:09:25 s/have been used/have used 04:09:41 I am not too used to gnome 3. 04:09:45 after 29 of May, arifiauo 04:10:13 please look at http://rbergero.fedorapeople.org/schedules/f-17/f-17-ambassadors-tasks.html 04:10:19 I saw jurank_dankkal 's ticket for funding. 04:10:35 As 04:10:35 number 18 04:10:35 ! 04:10:42 kaio_ph, yep for FAD.. :) 04:10:50 .ticket 29 04:10:52 jurank_dankkal: #29 (rename app5 to releng1) – Fedora Infrastructure - https://fedorahosted.org/fedora-infrastructure/ticket/29 04:10:52 yes inode0 04:11:07 here my ticket https://fedorahosted.org/fedora-apac/ticket/27 04:11:15 arifiauo, that page has not been updated yet, the release date was slipped by a week to 29 of May 04:11:23 If you have a media vendor waiting for the final media it might be possible to get it for the vendor a little earlier 04:11:42 thanks, inode0 04:11:42 +1 04:11:48 As per funding, you probably need to get quote/invoice and ask for preapproval. 04:12:04 exactly when, inode0? 04:12:30 kaio_ph, so I can't put notes payment after the event is over and I ask for money first? 04:12:40 I can't say exactly, but when it is ready - normally it might be ready 2 days early to send to mirrors 04:12:51 kaio_ph shall we discuss the ticket on the later topic? 04:13:03 great info, inode0 04:13:05 Mostly not usual way anywhere beyond APAC. 04:13:11 bckurera: Sure. 04:13:14 +1 bckurera 04:13:15 sorry bckurera 04:13:24 #info F17 ISO images might be ready 2 days early to send to mirrors 04:13:29 bckurera: Ping me when shall. 04:13:33 +1 04:13:50 +1 tuanta 04:13:54 kaio_ph sure and thanks 04:13:54 +1 info Tuan 04:14:38 Good anythiing related with the topic left or move then? 04:14:52 +1 04:14:57 +1 04:14:58 #action all we should update all upcoming F17 release parties onto wiki 04:15:07 #topic APAC for FAmSCO (dramsey for you!) 04:15:16 dramsey floor is yours 04:15:26 One vote = vote 04:15:29 ! 04:15:32 s/vote/word 04:15:33 eof 04:15:39 please tuanta 04:16:05 firstly, you all should attend townhall meetings tomorrow and the next day 04:16:07 eof 04:16:24 +1 04:16:30 +1 dramsey tuanta 04:16:40 #chair dan408 inode0 MarkDude 04:16:40 Current chairs: MarkDude Suresh arifiauo bckurera bckurera_ dan408 dramsey inode0 jurank_dankkal kaio_ph maktrix tuanta 04:16:57 #link http://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/advisory-board/2012-May/011613.html 04:16:58 +1 dramsey 04:17:10 please find the dates and time for town hall meetings 04:17:45 i'll definitely try and make those 04:17:52 anything else? 04:18:08 eof from me 04:18:15 me too 04:18:18 shall we move then? 04:18:26 +1 next 04:18:29 Thanks 04:18:33 +1 04:18:38 #topic APAC Events and Status of F17 Release Parties (dramsey) 04:18:55 ! 04:19:02 yes tuanta 04:19:33 if you are planning for a F17 release party, please do not forget to estimate for budget 04:19:36 and 04:19:54 request for funds to get approval 04:20:16 remember our Trac is: https://fedorahosted.org/fedora-apac/ 04:20:18 eof 04:20:23 +1 04:20:28 Have Beefy Miracle goodness also - Tofu Miracles for the vegetarians :) 04:20:28 Thanks tuanta for the remider 04:20:47 +1 04:21:05 ! 04:21:15 yes maktrix 04:21:41 Receipts are crucial. must be retained for reimbursements. 04:21:53 for all party owners 04:21:59 eof 04:22:02 +1 04:22:08 ! 04:22:12 #info if you are planning for a F17 release party, please do not forget to estimate for budget and request for funds to get approval on APAC trac (https://fedorahosted.org/fedora-apac/) asap 04:22:20 please arifiauo 04:22:22 I want to tell you about the release party of Surakarta. 04:22:31 I've spread the invitation and invited participants is almost full. I hope everything goes smoothly. 04:22:32 cool, arifiauo 04:22:33 please 04:23:08 +1 04:23:10 arifiauo did you create an event wiki page and what about funds? 04:23:12 eof 04:23:52 #link https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Release_Party_F17_Surakarta 04:24:25 All have been setup :) 04:24:32 good and you need any funds? 04:25:27 I have received the funds, please look at the wiki page :) 04:26:06 eof 04:26:12 Ok nice 04:26:21 any other business under this topic? 04:26:36 ? 04:26:45 please dramsey 04:26:47 ! 04:26:52 Please add events here - 04:26:52 #link https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Events#FY13_Q1_.28March_2012_-_May_2012.29_4 and 04:26:52 #link https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Events#FY13_Q2_.28June_2012_-_August_2012.29_3 04:26:53 work on puttinig your Fedora 17 Release events and add here - 04:26:53 https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/F17_release_events 04:26:54 eof 04:27:09 thanks dramsey and please maktrix 04:27:41 for arifiauo you can incorporate important messages from "Cristops' keynote on "Leadership in Leaderless organization" at FUDCon KL in your presentations of Release party 04:27:43 eof 04:27:58 +1 04:28:24 +1 maktrix 04:28:32 as I can see you ( arifiauo) have a session on " Invites users to contribute to Fedora Project" 04:28:33 eof 04:29:23 +1 maktrix 04:29:42 nice, what next, move then? 04:29:52 +1 04:29:57 eof from dramsey 04:30:04 #topic Review APAC trac tickets 04:30:15 we have one ticket waiting 04:30:18 #link https://fedorahosted.org/fedora-apac/ticket/27 04:30:22 \o/ 04:30:58 Please use fedora-apac trac for all fund requests so that we can supoprt your need 04:31:08 #info Please use fedora-apac trac for all fund requests so that we can supoprt your need 04:31:17 yes, that's from me, I've plan to create a FAD in Padang (Indonesia) in august 04:31:27 * FranciscoD is here! 04:31:28 #chair FranciscoD 04:31:28 Current chairs: FranciscoD MarkDude Suresh arifiauo bckurera bckurera_ dan408 dramsey inode0 jurank_dankkal kaio_ph maktrix tuanta 04:31:33 +1 04:32:00 +1 04:32:32 * FranciscoD sits in a corner: please continue :) 04:32:34 .apacticket 27 04:32:41 jurank_dankkal : I dont think getting money first is possible. anyway you need to contact Harish for that 04:33:03 I remember about my self in "And I can't pay first because my financial condition. Is that possible if I put notes payment after the event is over and I ask for money first?" 04:33:32 bckurera, so you guys need invoice first?? 04:33:49 and for Haris I'll be contact in directly or what?? 04:33:50 jurank_dankkal, yes 04:33:51 I think per-fund is necessary in APAC. 04:34:12 +1 kaio_ph 04:34:38 jurank_dankkal : harish will comment on the ticket soon and I believe pre-funding is a must in APAC 04:35:03 But before contacting harish or FAmSCo, IMO a quote or invoice (before down payment) is recommended. 04:35:06 sorry, cz this is the first time I request for funding.. 04:35:07 But the rules still say, no receipt no funds. 04:35:17 jurank_dankkal: a bit old refference for reimbursment is here http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Reimbursements 04:35:30 +1 information from everyone 04:35:52 ! 04:36:03 yes maktrix 04:36:14 http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Reimbursements page need to be updated. as India Trac is being closed down 04:36:25 and everyone must submit to APAC Trac 04:36:29 eof 04:36:36 +1 maktrix 04:36:37 +1 04:36:48 * FranciscoD suggests that be made an info item 04:36:55 jurank_dankkal : this FAD is happening on August right? 04:37:07 bckurera, yes in august 04:37:40 #info http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Reimbursements page need to be updated. as India Trac is being closed down 04:37:52 Can you please attach a quotation then, I ll ping harish and see what we can do, i mean pre-payment is possible or not? 04:38:24 * inode0 suggests someone just go do it now :) 04:38:34 +1 inode0 04:38:41 Pre payments have been done before. 04:39:20 First step is let FAmSCo approve the amount. 04:39:20 please let me do :) 04:39:37 +1 arifiauo = the power is yours. ;) 04:39:40 And mention pre payment with quote. 04:39:56 Then harish will do the rest. :) 04:40:15 dramsey, we can add it as action? 04:40:32 kaio_ph we are approving tickets in APAC meeting, therefore we can do it here I suppose? 04:40:32 so, I must attach a quotation first If I want to get a pre-payment? 04:40:53 +1 arifiauo 04:40:56 #info pre-payments could be sometimes happened, First step is let FAmSCo approve the amount, And mention pre payment with quote, Then harish will do the rest. 04:40:57 I am okay with approving personally. :) 04:41:04 Please note: Pre payments may be made in exceptional circumstances. However, please refrain from making this a regular thing. 04:41:18 FranciscoD: ++ 04:41:21 FranciscoD: +1 04:41:35 kaio_ph I think it is good if we can approve it here, what you think? 04:41:38 The standard way is to get reimbursed after the receipts are put in. There are reasons for this method, and it works. 04:41:45 FranciscoD +1 04:42:08 #action arifiauo Update the http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Reimbursements page 04:42:11 since we can vouch for jurank_dankkal , it's okay this time. But please keep this to a minimum :) 04:42:30 +1 04:42:34 +1 04:42:50 I don't know if FAmSCo has given permission. If not I can start tr discussion in FAmSCo and get that proceeded by end of this FAmSCo term. 04:42:54 FranciscoD, yeah that's the minimum, a half of budget get from local sponsor 04:43:06 thx kaio_ph 04:43:18 Ok then shall we approve the request and jurank_dankkal will contact harish and arrange the payment/pre-payment, agree? 04:43:24 kaio_ph: discussion in FAmSCo about what? 04:43:36 bckurera: agree, but after quotes come in ;) 04:43:49 Yes we can vote here preliminary. To get this go smoother. 04:43:50 +1 FranciscoD 04:43:50 (we cant approce requests without any info) 04:44:11 To let regional fams approval funding tickets. 04:44:22 FranciscoD: ++ 04:44:49 +1 kaio_ph 04:45:02 kaio_ph: tickets must be put up to famsco only if they're for large amounts of funds. For smaller amounts, harish needs to approve and receipts need to be submitted 04:45:20 (and we check all the info and approve additionally) 04:45:27 ! 04:45:29 Okay 04:45:39 yes maktrix 04:45:39 FranciscoD, before this I create a tickcet in famsco and bckurera told me to move to apac 04:45:44 I agree with kaio_ph: to have more control on pre-payment. For pre-payment we can discuss in here to decide, shall we push it to FAmSCo for approval. 04:45:57 jurank_dankkal: yes, ticket should be in apac trac. 04:45:59 this is to keep Ambassadors to refrain themselves from pre-payment. 04:46:00 eof 04:46:25 Whether that is officially so or not, I count on you candidates of famsco to propose that if you are elected. 04:46:26 oke guys, I'll try to settle the quotation asap, and will add to ticket n buzz you guys. :) 04:46:39 we should in Open Floor, right? 04:46:57 tuanta not yet 04:47:23 I don't think famsco needs to be pulled in for this case. We know jurank_dankkal well enough, and we can approve this one ourselves. I expect the amount to be small too. 04:47:25 ok then will discuss the ticket in the next meeting, please add a quotation to the ticket jurank_dankkal 04:47:37 bckurera, but things we are discussing should be open ones :) 04:47:37 if something goes wrong, kage can always hunt jurank_dankkal down ;) 04:47:45 FranciscoD +1 04:47:52 +1 ;) 04:48:04 hahaha, oke guys... 04:48:07 he's a good hunter :D 04:48:27 FranciscoD, lol 04:48:31 Personally I agree with that ticket. 04:48:42 #info jurank_dankkal attach quotes and whatever info possible to ticket. Will be discussed asap after that. 04:48:42 I personally approve that 04:48:50 However it is good to ping hairsh first about pre-payments, I think if the amount is small it is good we approve it otherwise FAmSCo will handle it 04:49:01 we can vote once the quotes are out, for the logs. 04:49:09 personally I also do agree on that ticket. 04:49:14 #action jurank_dankkal ping harish about pre-payments 04:49:40 Here's the thing: if you ping harish without quotes etc, it wont work. You need to give him some info :) 04:49:52 That's why I'm harping on first getting quotes, and then doing the running around. 04:50:10 Can you record how many +1, so the +1s can be put on ticket for ref? 04:50:13 bckurera: jurank_dankkal should ping harish , not apac, since we don't want this to become a usual occurence 04:50:31 (this is an exceptional case, and we'd like to keep pre-payments so) 04:50:36 yes, all the budget needen i put on wiki, whick want from sponsor and which one need to funding https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FAD_Padang_2012#budget 04:50:37 FranciscoD, ping personally? 04:50:52 jurank_dankkal: drop him an email 04:51:01 and then ask kage how he ran around after harish ;) 04:51:27 FranciscoD, yes i'll ping after I put the quote... 04:51:45 Kage has to make harish appears to run around him. 04:51:55 XD 04:51:59 ok then anything else to discuss related with funding > 04:52:07 or shall we move? 04:52:08 guys, 9 minutes left. :) 04:52:15 should we start voting for ticket #27? 04:52:18 move move move :) 04:52:40 tuanta will discuss it again after quotation is attached. 04:52:45 tuanta: quotation first, I guess. 04:52:51 Gogogo 04:52:59 #topic Open Floor 04:53:03 ok, then next 04:53:05 ? 04:53:10 here wew are on the Open Floor 04:53:39 ! 04:53:49 yes inode0 04:53:51 FranciscoD, oke 04:54:04 ! 04:54:09 ! 04:54:16 Please remind your friends that the FAmSCo elections this time are open for all contributors in CLA+1 to vote 04:54:18 eod 04:54:27 please kaio_ph 04:54:46 Please everyone put up your photos and reports and social net info, for FUDCon KL. thanks. 04:54:47 #info the FAmSCo elections this time are open for all contributors in CLA+1 to vote 04:54:59 ! 04:55:01 Elf 04:55:07 Eof 04:55:14 next, maktrix 04:55:15 yes bckurera 04:55:23 need a Red Hat keyboard, how to get one :D 04:55:23 We had a nice FUDcon last weekend, it was a great and organized well. I would like to thank all the contributors and organizers. A great work 04:55:24 eof 04:55:25 eof 04:55:37 +1 bckurera 04:55:57 +1 maktrix 04:56:06 ? 04:56:31 yes dramsey 04:56:36 Do help smooth our meeting, is there a "proposed" new agenda item? I read that in the mailing list. eof 04:56:49 maktrix: wait for another fudcon and try to win one ;) 04:56:58 ++ 04:57:24 dramsey: we'll take that up next meeting. I'll add it to the agenda page etc 04:57:36 ? 04:57:41 jurank_dankkal: can you please forward me the draft we had made? I'll take care of it :) 04:57:44 dramsey: go 04:58:05 thank you, I guess my ? from 3 minutes ago was lost. I think that "prior" to the meeting a text view would be advantageous. eof 04:58:24 FranciscoD, sure, I'll email it to you 04:58:29 dramsey: text view of the entire agenda? please clarify? :P 04:58:39 #chair hanthana 04:58:39 Current chairs: FranciscoD MarkDude Suresh arifiauo bckurera bckurera_ dan408 dramsey hanthana inode0 jurank_dankkal kaio_ph maktrix tuanta 04:58:51 hi daniska 04:58:55 FranciscoD, good question, depends on what exists. eof 04:59:08 dramsey: alright, I'll take care of this from next meeting 04:59:10 maktrix, hi 04:59:14 +1 04:59:16 we are in time today :) 04:59:28 #action FranciscoD make text agenda draft for next meeting 04:59:36 +1 FranciscoD 04:59:43 Has everyone put up their reports on the wiki yet? 04:59:50 ok folks anything else, sharp 1 hours now 04:59:52 reports + photos + presentations 05:00:07 FranciscoD, no, 05:00:09 so, end meeting in time should be a good habit :) 05:00:09 +1 05:00:14 nothing from me 05:00:20 +1 endmeeting 05:00:21 great to see you all today 05:00:23 #action FAm APAC: update wiki page with FUDCon reports + photos + presentations 05:00:24 FranciscoD: mine is still pending. dealing personall isues. :( 05:00:30 see you tomorrow in townhall 05:00:36 https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FUDCon:KualaLumpur_2012/Reports_photos_and_presentations 05:00:37 tuanta: +1 05:00:47 maktrix: sure, take your time, but don't forget :P 05:00:50 * FranciscoD is done yelling 05:01:03 FranciscoD, I've already send it to you about the draft :) 05:01:06 Thank you all for attending. 05:01:10 jurank_dankkal: great, thanks 05:01:14 Let us close and end meeting. what do you think? 05:01:18 ok then shall we wind up, thanks for the participation. 05:01:40 let's meet next week again. :) 05:01:45 see you in two weeks time and before that we are having townhalls and elections 05:01:48 then enjoy 05:01:57 bye everyone :) 05:01:57 closing in 5 05:01:59 4 05:02:01 3 05:02:04 2 05:02:05 +1 05:02:07 1 05:02:07 bye everyone 05:02:10 Thanks for all 05:02:14 #endmeeting