14:00:22 <bcotton> #startmeeting Docs Project Meeting - Agenda: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Docs_Project_meetings
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14:00:30 <bcotton> #meetingname Fedora Docs
14:00:30 <zodbot> The meeting name has been set to 'fedora_docs'
14:00:40 <bcotton> #topic Roll Call
14:00:42 <suehle> beep
14:00:42 <nb> .fas nick@bebout
14:00:43 <zodbot> nb: nb 'Nick Bebout' <nick@bebout.net>
14:01:18 * jjmcd 
14:01:27 * claneys 
14:01:36 * pkovar is here
14:03:27 <bcotton> oooookay
14:03:32 <bcotton> #topic Release Notes
14:03:38 <bcotton> #link https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Release_Notes_schedule
14:03:52 <jjmcd> New RPM -- needs karma
14:04:01 <bcotton> #info New RPM -- needs karma
14:04:03 <jjmcd> #link https://admin.fedoraproject.org/updates/fedora-release-notes-17.0.1-1.fc17
14:04:51 <jjmcd> I'm going to wait until release to fix remaining bugs so as to not impact L10n
14:05:14 <jjmcd> But I won't have much ability to do anything this week - todo list too awful
14:05:27 <jjmcd> Plus, will be out of town 18-20
14:06:20 <jjmcd> remaining bugs fairly minor
14:06:46 <jjmcd> https://bugzilla.redhat.com/buglist.cgi?query_format=advanced&classification=Fedora&product=Fedora%20Documentation&component=release-notes&bug_status=NEW&bug_status=ASSIGNED&bug_status=MODIFIED&bug_status=ON_DEV&bug_status=ON_QA&bug_status=VERIFIED&bug_status=FAILS_QA&bug_status=RELEASE_PENDING&bug_status=POST
14:07:43 <jjmcd> Apparently since 17.0.0 never got karma, bodhi added those bugs to 17.0.1
14:07:51 <bcotton> #info jjmcd is awesome
14:08:00 <jjmcd> But the only difference between .0 and .1 is four languages
14:08:18 <jjmcd> Also
14:08:36 <jjmcd> It looks as if the way to choose languages on f17 has changed
14:08:51 <jjmcd> and I haven't been able to figure out how to log on as dutch, for example
14:09:39 <nb> jjmcd, karma given
14:09:45 <jjmcd> Thanks Nick
14:10:29 <jjmcd> So I can manually look at other languages, but can't test that they actually get chosen
14:12:22 <claneys> karma given
14:13:16 <bcotton> jjmcd: apart from karma, is there anything else you need from the group?
14:13:34 <jjmcd> Oh yes
14:13:37 <jjmcd> I forgot
14:13:52 <jjmcd> I have a tx problem an need to manually pull translations
14:14:12 <jjmcd> so nightly updates won't necessarily get new trans, especially over the weekend
14:14:36 <jjmcd> if someone can run a cronjob in the late evening EDT to tx pull and push to f17, that would be a help
14:14:37 <bcotton> jjmcd: sgordon is your backup while you're out of town, right?
14:15:06 <jjmcd> bcotton, correct, he should make an RPM if new translations on Sun/Mon
14:15:12 <bcotton> i can take care of the crong job
14:15:21 <bcotton> #action bcotton to run a cronjob in the late evening EDT to tx pull and push to f17
14:15:23 <jjmcd> That would be a help
14:15:43 <jjmcd> Needs -af to work correctly
14:15:59 <bcotton> jjmcd: if you're around after the meeting, i'll sanity check with you
14:16:09 * jjmcd will email you my script
14:16:27 <bcotton> awesome
14:17:18 <jjmcd> might need someone who does NOT have infra privs, tho
14:17:52 <nb> jjmcd, ?
14:17:58 * nb wonders why someone who does not have privs?
14:18:17 <jjmcd> nb, when I push translations, and ONLY when I push translations, it wants the password for my cert
14:18:28 <jjmcd> Which I can't give it in a cron job
14:18:32 <nb> pushing them to tx.net?
14:18:39 <jjmcd> no, to git
14:18:51 <nb> jjmcd, you need to make a ssh key that doesn't have a passphrase
14:19:03 <nb> to be able to do that
14:19:11 <jjmcd> Yeah, but when I push normally it doesn't ask for it
14:19:23 <nb> jjmcd, probably because you have Ksshaskpass or something set up
14:19:25 <jjmcd> Only after I have done a tx pull
14:19:27 <nb> or the gnome equivalent
14:19:34 <nb> interesting.  we can discuss after meeting
14:19:53 <bcotton> anything else on Release Notes?
14:20:05 <jjmcd> Nope, that's plenty
14:20:11 <bcotton> hah
14:20:19 <bcotton> #topic Guide Status
14:20:35 <bcotton> #link http://rbergero.fedorapeople.org/schedules/f-17/f-17-docs-tree-tasks.html
14:21:19 <bcotton> So we're past the string freeze at this point. Anything that's going to be ready for GA should probably be done. Anything that isn't will come out on it's own schedule
14:21:42 <bcotton> anything on guides?
14:22:05 <Capesteve> yes
14:22:12 <bcotton> go ahead Capesteve
14:22:21 <Capesteve> I looked through the Wireless guide, just needs
14:22:26 <Capesteve> a few screenshots
14:22:32 <Capesteve> wil try and do tonight
14:23:18 <bcotton> excellent, thanks for getting that going
14:24:52 <bcotton> #info Capesteve will finish updating the Wireless Guide
14:25:09 <bcotton> anything else on guides?
14:25:22 <claneys> just a question
14:25:45 <claneys> how a guide leaves draft state ?
14:25:55 <nb> do we still want to convert that one thing from svn to git?
14:26:13 <claneys> and gor what stand for 'GA'?
14:26:26 <claneys> for*
14:26:41 <bcotton> claneys: when it's ready. :-) 'draft' is a way to publish docs that are still a work in progress.
14:26:49 * jjmcd still needs to look back in the log and remember what it is, and then get with the BNEers, but that won't happen until after the 22 nb
14:26:55 <nb> oh
14:26:57 <bcotton> claneys: GA is "General Availability"
14:26:58 <nb> ok
14:27:15 <claneys> bcotton: thanks
14:27:28 <bcotton> anything else on guides?
14:27:46 <pkovar> i would say just go ahead and convert it to git :-)
14:28:02 <Capesteve> nb Do you mean Wirelss Guide?
14:28:02 <bcotton> #topic RN location
14:28:12 <claneys> I will go get a look about user guides, see if it is ready, so :)
14:28:16 <bcotton> #link https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=694075
14:28:28 <nb> Capesteve, yeah i think so?
14:28:34 <bcotton> did we come to a decision about this or are we going to ignore it until after F17 is out?
14:28:52 <Capesteve> jhradilek: can help me
14:28:57 <Capesteve> with git repo
14:29:01 <claneys> I've to leave, see you
14:29:31 * jhradilek nods.
14:30:15 <jjmcd> bcotton, I just filed a bug to myeslf to remind me
14:30:32 <bcotton> jjmcd: re: RN location?
14:30:48 <jjmcd> Yes
14:31:01 <bcotton> okay, do we need to keep it on the agenda, or can i let it drop?
14:31:03 <jjmcd> We decided that we would make a note in the RNs that they will move next release
14:31:12 <bcotton> okay, great
14:31:47 <jjmcd> To the normal doc location /usr/share/doc/fedora-release-notes-18.0.0
14:31:59 <bcotton> #agreed We decided that we would make a note in the RNs that they will move next release
14:32:07 <bcotton> #topic Open Help Conference
14:32:13 <bcotton> #link http://openhelpconference.com
14:32:20 <bcotton> #info Open Help Conference is Aug 11-15 in Cincinnati, OH
14:33:15 <bcotton> anything on the OHC?
14:33:59 <bcotton> #topic Outstanding BZ Tickets
14:34:05 <bcotton> #link http://tinyurl.com/lbrq84
14:34:28 <bcotton> we do have an urgent ticket to merge fr_FR into fr
14:34:33 <bcotton> #link https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=816765
14:35:21 <pkovar> bcotton: i think this is not only about fr_FR, but about other duplicated lang codes as well
14:35:31 <pkovar> meaning: lots of work :-(
14:35:33 <bcotton> looks like rudi's been assigned to it, but there's been no updates
14:35:45 <bcotton> pkovar: well of course it is. :-)
14:35:58 <pkovar> there are still many guides around with duplicated lang codes
14:36:35 <pkovar> if anybody is willing to work on those, i can assist, but my spare time is rather limited
14:36:54 <pkovar> anyway, i still remember the procedure
14:37:01 <pkovar> with the tx tool
14:37:06 <bcotton> pkovar: do you have a list that we can add to the ticket?
14:37:44 <pkovar> bcotton: no, i was checking the transifex project links in the guides table on the wikik
14:38:22 <lnovich> I can poke him tomorrow and ask him about it
14:38:24 <pkovar> i think burning isos is one of those guides
14:38:52 <pkovar> too
14:39:31 <pkovar> i will comment on that bug
14:40:18 <bcotton> awesome
14:40:51 <lnovich> are there any other issues you want me to ask rudi about?
14:41:15 <bcotton> lnovich: probably, but nothing comes to mind
14:41:39 <pkovar> lnovich: maybe ask him about the fedora installation guide too?
14:41:45 <lnovich> as I am new to this group - let me just say hello and I am a RH tech writer, looking to enter into the Fedora pool
14:42:10 <pkovar> it hasn't been pushed to transifex yet, AFAICT
14:42:18 <bcotton> lnovich: welcome to the club. i'll reply to your email post-meeting :-)
14:42:32 <pkovar> lnovich: welcome, and thanks :-)
14:42:36 <lnovich> NP!
14:43:08 <bcotton> anything else about open bugs?
14:43:58 <bcotton> #topic Open floor discussion
14:44:38 <pkovar> anybody has any comments re http://www.fedorareloaded.com/instructions.html ?
14:45:04 <pkovar> has anybody tried playing with it?
14:45:12 <Capesteve> yes
14:45:23 <pkovar> share your thoughts on the docs list :-)
14:45:54 <Capesteve> we were asked to test it
14:45:56 <Capesteve> it works
14:46:01 <bcotton> #info comments on http://www.fedorareloaded.com/instructions.html welcome
14:46:21 <Capesteve> will try to make use of it and give more feedback
14:47:37 <Capesteve> we were asked : i.e. those in the fedora channel a few hours ago
14:47:54 <lnovich> i started looking at it
14:48:03 <pkovar> it's always a good idea to share your feedback via the list so more people can comment
14:48:04 <bcotton> #info Thursday is the Release Readiness meeting. bcotton plans to report "yeah, we're ready"
14:48:27 <lnovich> by when do you need to receive feedback?
14:49:23 <pkovar> lnovich: i'd say ask jwulf
14:50:13 <lnovich> ok we spoke earlier today
14:50:24 <pkovar> the fudcon hackfest is scheduled for the next week, i think
14:51:42 <pkovar> may 18 -20, yes
14:52:03 <pkovar> this week's friday then :-)
14:52:57 <lnovich> ok will take a look this week before Thurs
14:53:11 <pkovar> anybody here planning to participate remotely? :-)
14:53:31 <pkovar> lnovich: great, thanks
14:55:35 <bcotton> okay, we've only got 5 minutes left. anything else that needs to be brought up quickly?
14:56:35 <bcotton> hearing crickets
14:56:38 <bcotton> #endmeeting