20:00:00 #startmeeting 20:00:00 Meeting started Wed May 9 20:00:00 2012 UTC. The chair is jonmasters. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 20:00:00 Useful Commands: #action #agreed #halp #info #idea #link #topic. 20:00:15 * Frojoe is here 20:00:17 .fas blc 20:00:17 and it's that time again. It's 4pm Eastern on a Wednesday, do you know where your Fedora ARM systems are? 20:00:17 bconoboy: blckspder 'Antoni Sousa' - blc '' 20:00:20 * pwhalen is here 20:00:22 * maxam is here 20:00:24 * djdelorie is here 20:00:31 * ctyler is here 20:00:32 * fossjon is here 20:00:41 * Frojoe is here 20:00:45 #chair jonmasters fossjon bconoboy pwhalen djdelorie maxam ctyler pbrobinson dgilmore 20:00:45 Current chairs: bconoboy ctyler dgilmore djdelorie fossjon jonmasters maxam pbrobinson pwhalen 20:01:01 I guess I'll stand then 20:01:02 * nirik is lurking around. 20:01:16 ok then...before we start, does anyone have anything they'd like to add to the agenda? 20:01:18 #chair jonmasters fossjon bconoboy pwhalen djdelorie maxam ctyler pbrobinson dgilmore Frojoe 20:01:18 Current chairs: Frojoe bconoboy ctyler dgilmore djdelorie fossjon jonmasters maxam pbrobinson pwhalen 20:01:19 agreene is here 20:01:41 * agreene is here 20:01:59 * dmarlin__ is here 20:02:07 Ok. Let's do it then 20:02:10 we have a big group 20:02:17 * orc_fedo is here 20:02:18 #topic 0. Current build status - Gnarly bugs and build failures 20:02:19 * giallu is sort of here 20:02:37 First, let's all congratulate fossjon on producing some very nice stats for us 20:02:48 very helpful, thanks Jon 20:02:58 thanks i hope its a bit useful 20:03:00 I'm documenting all things that need direct attention here https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Architectures/ARM/Fedora17_rawhide#broken_on_arm_general_packages 20:03:10 sorry, but what meeting is this? 20:03:16 yay fossjon! 20:03:18 cwickert: ARM 20:03:28 cwickert: ARM 20:03:33 this meeting is not listed in the timetable 20:03:34 cwickert the fedora arm meeting 20:03:36 pbrobinson: would you like to call out anything in particular? I reviewed the latest koji compare last night and it looked pretty good actually. It seemed that after I get through some of these atomics, it's not major stuff left? 20:03:53 the EMEA ambassadors are to supposed to meet here now 20:04:16 cwickert: you haven't for the last month? 20:04:28 pbrobinson: we usually meet biweekly 20:04:48 cwickert: did you miss the last one? 20:04:51 cwickert: well either we can move to #fedora-meeting-1 or you can 20:05:07 we'll move 20:05:29 thanks, appreciated. We'll get this meeting on the calendar and next time we'll go to #fedora-meeting-1 if we clash with you. Sorry 20:05:43 alright 20:05:50 #action add this meeting to the official calendar, move to #fedora-meeting-1 on days that conflict with EMEA ambassadors 20:05:53 Sesivany: we are in #fedora-meeting-1 20:06:06 ok 20:06:18 ok so, meanwhile in ARM land... 20:06:25 pbrobinson: anything you'd like to call out specifically? 20:06:45 jonmasters: wherever we move it permanently so as not to have confusion 20:07:02 jonmasters: no, nothing in particular to call out, just would like some attention on any/all of them if possible 20:07:39 pbrobinson: ok 20:07:58 #agreed if we move this meeting we move it every time to #fedora-meeting-1 20:08:14 jonmasters: I would move the meetings to fedora-meetings-3 ... it's almost always empty 20:08:14 I'm slowly moving through the whole list of packages and fixing a lot of mainline FTBFS in the process. Like I fixed one the other days that was FTBFS from F-11! 20:08:24 +1 for a consistent meeting room 20:08:29 pbrobinson: right, many of the issues in koji compare are fortunately things like SMM/biosdevname, etc. stuff that we don't even have on ARM 20:08:58 pbrobinson: bconoboy was suggesting we send a list to devel@ of FTBFS packages we've found 20:09:07 jcapik: the advantage of not being in #3 means we get more visability, if we go to #3 we may as well do it on #fedora-arm 20:09:15 jonmasters: I just updated [[Meeting_channel]] on wiki to -1 20:09:32 pbrobinson: there was a proposal a while back that stuff not built in two Fedora releases would be marked for removal automatically. What's the status of that? (I do not endorse that approach, but it would incidentally help with this) 20:09:39 jonmasters: I'll add my list of non ARM architecture builds to the wiki too for reference 20:10:02 pbrobinson: ok :] hopefully we're not gonna clash with others too often 20:10:36 * jonmasters favors exponential backoff. If we clash with them, they can go back to using x86 systems ;) 20:10:44 jonmasters: it was approved and there was a chunk of things blocked but I discovered too late that it needed to have a FTBFS bug filed. I've also since had a number of dead packages blocked 20:11:18 ok so it's a $random_enjoyable_fedora_be_excellent_to_each_other kind of problem. Awesome. 20:11:37 pbrobinson: shall we have bconoboy send that list of FTBFS stuff? 20:11:48 I'm now filing bugs for mainline issues actively so it won't be a problem moving forward 20:11:50 I'd need a list 20:12:00 bconoboy: fossjon 's stats have the list 20:12:07 I've already blogged about them and I can send a list 20:12:15 bconoboy: hmm...I guess they don't quite 20:12:15 jonmasters: His list includes stuff that is FTBFS on x86? 20:12:18 i wrote another script to analyze what the failures were 20:12:30 whether it was from arch/deps/reqs/configure/make/etc... 20:12:34 ultimately I don't really see the point as there was dozens of emails over the mass rebuild and they were generally ignored 20:12:34 yea, easiest option is to go with pbrobinson 's list for right now 20:13:14 pbrobinson: I'm picturing 1 email with a complete list, including who we think should be fixing it attached to each package 20:13:16 pbrobinson: well the issue is if something is FTBFS in PA and we specifically called it out, it can't be held against us later - it's hardly an ARM problem if PA is using a package build from the stone age 20:13:24 there was this one i did a while back -> http://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/arm/2012-March/002973.html 20:13:29 bconoboy: the FTBFS on x86 is easy. Get a list of all packaged in f-17, if it's got a none fc17 build it's FTBFS on x86 :) 20:13:42 yea true, there was a mas rebuild 20:13:46 * mass 20:13:50 so that's the easy option 20:14:12 I've sent lists before actually 20:14:17 but I'll send it again 20:14:43 #action bconoboy to send a super polite and lovely email to devel@ reminding folks there are whole bunches of FTBFS packages on PA for which we never had ARM builds and can't make them as a result 20:14:58 pbrobinson: feel free to own that action if you prefer? 20:15:23 I think it's easier, I've had for a while a multi prong action 20:15:35 #action pbrobinson to do that instead 20:15:39 ok bconoboy can provide input 20:15:55 ok anything else on build failures? etc.? 20:15:55 including bugs, emails and just fixing them myself because it's at times plain quicker 20:16:20 #topic 0. Current build status - Sending out regular problem package emails 20:16:22 people just review the list here https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Architectures/ARM/Fedora17_rawhide#broken_on_arm_general_packages 20:16:42 and helping to fix :) 20:16:44 so I think this next item is covered by the work fossjon has done and the mails pbrobinson has sent 20:17:02 anything else on the problem email front? 20:17:08 nope 20:17:11 pbrobinson: you were going to send fossjon input on things to add, etc.? 20:17:33 i can try to add other useful things if you guys have any suggestions 20:17:42 well, if you have any input (anyone) please send to fossjon 20:17:46 jonmaster: Don't know if it's the right time, but the big delta between FC17 and FC18 packages is concerning and we should discuss 20:17:46 jonmasters: yes, i forgot about that and since you reminded me yesterday I haven't had time 20:17:51 fossjon: maybe you should add that link ( https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Architectures/ARM/Fedora17_rawhide#broken_on_arm_general_packages ) to the daily mails 20:18:00 #agreed feedback to fossjon on things to add to his nightly koji compare stats 20:18:06 ctyler: +1 20:18:11 fossjon: poke me directly as I have some feedback and suggestions 20:18:20 ok will do then 20:18:26 #action fossjon to add a link to the wiki page of broken packages to the nightly email 20:18:27 ctyler: +1 20:18:36 ok, anything else on this topic? 20:18:40 is it possible to auto-update the wiki page too? 20:18:53 djdelorie thats what i was thinking of too 20:18:57 like the pretty charts I used to generate? 20:19:02 it'd be cool if wiki was more dynamic possibly 20:19:13 it'd have to be a separate page 20:19:18 perhaps