22:00:29 <cwickert> #startmeeting FAmSCo 2012-05-02 22:00:29 <zodbot> Meeting started Wed May 2 22:00:29 2012 UTC. The chair is cwickert. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 22:00:29 <zodbot> Useful Commands: #action #agreed #halp #info #idea #link #topic. 22:00:36 <cwickert> #meetingname famsco 22:00:36 <zodbot> The meeting name has been set to 'famsco' 22:00:46 <cwickert> #topic Roll Call 22:00:50 <cwickert> .fas cwickert 22:00:51 <zodbot> cwickert: cwickert 'Christoph Wickert' <christoph.wickert@googlemail.com> 22:01:10 <yn1v> .fas yn1v 22:01:11 <zodbot> yn1v: yn1v 'Neville A. Cross' <neville@taygon.com> 22:01:47 <dramsey> :) 22:02:15 <cwickert> #info herlo sent regrets he won't be able to come 22:02:37 <cwickert> but the mail got stuck in the moderation queue, sorry my bad 22:03:06 <cwickert> #info Zoltan is at Linuxtage and LGM in Vienna and cannot attend either 22:03:09 <yn1v> I am having lag problems 22:03:46 <cwickert> yn1v: but at least you are there :) 22:04:16 * cwickert looks for kaio, gbraad and igor 22:04:38 <cwickert> seems we won't be able to reach a quorum today 22:04:53 <yn1v> :( 22:05:46 <cwickert> yn1v: anything you want to bring up? 22:06:20 <yn1v> I want pizza ;) 22:06:26 <dramsey> :p 22:09:14 <cwickert> yn1v: sorry, I can't help you with that one. file a ticket in famsco trac ;) 22:09:37 <cwickert> lets take a look at the agenda nevertheless 22:09:45 <cwickert> #topic Trac Tickets 22:10:09 <cwickert> #info we don't have a quorum as many people are traveling, so this meeting is only informal 22:10:13 <cwickert> https://fedorahosted.org/famsco/report/9 22:10:23 <cwickert> that looks nice 22:10:27 <kaio_ph> .fas me@kaio 22:10:28 <zodbot> kaio_ph: kaio 'Caius Chance (かいお)' <me@kaio.net> 22:10:31 <cwickert> not much on the agenda 22:10:58 <cwickert> #topic Regulate what regional tracs are needed 22:11:05 <cwickert> .famsco 268 22:11:05 <zodbot> https://fedorahosted.org/famsco/ticket/268 22:11:30 <kaio_ph> That seems came decision to have India trac read only. 22:11:41 <cwickert> #info fedora-india trac is closed, use fedora-apac instead 22:11:51 <kaio_ph> ++ 22:11:57 <cwickert> the question is: do we want to do anything more? 22:12:19 * cwickert would like to rename emea-swag-tracker to fedora-emea 22:12:36 <kaio_ph> Just make sure active tickets in india trac are migrated. 22:12:55 <cwickert> kaio_ph: there were only 4 active tickets 22:12:59 <kaio_ph> Fedora-Emea ++ 22:13:12 <kaio_ph> cwickert: Yes that so. 22:13:45 <cwickert> sure, I first need to talk to kital and nirik, kital is the owner of emea-swag-tracker and nirik is our infrastructure guru 22:13:59 <kaio_ph> Sure. 22:14:14 <cwickert> #action cwickert to investigate if emea-swag-tracker can be moved to fedora-emea 22:14:25 <cwickert> the rest looks good to me. questions? comments? 22:14:42 <cwickert> move famna to fedora-na? 22:14:58 <cwickert> #undo 22:14:58 <zodbot> Removing item from minutes: <MeetBot.items.Action object at 0x2e514c50> 22:15:04 <cwickert> #action cwickert to investigate if emea-swag-tracking can be moved to fedora-emea 22:16:27 <cwickert> doesn't seem so 22:16:39 <cwickert> #topic Budget + PO for EMEA F17 media production 22:16:45 <cwickert> .famsco 280 22:16:46 <zodbot> https://fedorahosted.org/famsco/ticket/280 22:16:58 <cwickert> I got a mail from Jiri with the final numbers 22:16:59 <cwickert> # 22:17:36 <kaio_ph> #chair 22:17:54 <cwickert> #info EMEA will do 5k media, 4k multi desktop live and 1k install. total cost is 1.739 EUR or UDS 2,298 22:18:10 <cwickert> #chair kaio_ph yn1v 22:18:10 <zodbot> Current chairs: cwickert kaio_ph yn1v 22:18:28 <cwickert> I think we should just approve this 22:18:33 <kaio_ph> ++ 22:18:38 <yn1v> yes 22:18:40 <cwickert> it's way below the limit of USD 5k 22:18:50 <kaio_ph> I support. 22:19:04 <cwickert> yn1v: given these prices, do you think it makes sense to ship media to LATAM? 22:19:14 <cwickert> it seems to be way cheaper 22:19:24 <yn1v> yes 22:19:47 <cwickert> you think we could do this for F17 or is it too late? 22:20:03 <yn1v> I am not sure if will be good for all latam, but for most countries yes 22:20:21 <cwickert> ok, lets at least evaluate this 22:20:52 <cwickert> #action cwickert to find out how much shipping from Czech to various countries in LATAM is 22:21:13 <yn1v> Only the printed envelope will cost that much 22:21:28 <cwickert> of course the prices will drop further if we produce more 22:21:39 <cwickert> yn1v: do you think we will get problems with customs? 22:22:20 <yn1v> maybe, but even paying custom clearence will be cheaper in the end 22:22:46 <cwickert> yn1v: ok, can you try to get numbers for the various countries? how much would they want to order? 22:23:05 <yn1v> I will try 22:23:19 <cwickert> thanks 22:23:35 <cwickert> #action yn1v to get in touch with the LATAM communities for media orders 22:23:54 <cwickert> too bad herlo is not here 22:24:02 <cwickert> we could ask NA, too 22:24:17 * cwickert does the happy dance! 22:24:25 <cwickert> hi igorps, glad you are here 22:24:35 <igorps> Hello all! 22:24:37 <cwickert> #info we have a quorum, continuing with official meeting 22:24:52 <cwickert> igorps: we are just talking about https://fedorahosted.org/famsco/ticket/280 22:25:12 * igorps is checking it out 22:25:19 <cwickert> EMEA is ordering 5k media for a total price of 1.739 EUR or UDS 2,298 22:26:49 <igorps> Looks reasonable considering the amount of previous releases 22:27:13 <yn1v> I wonder if joining latam demand to emea, would result in burn-out of emea collaborators 22:27:42 <kaio_ph> To 22:27:49 <kaio_ph> Yo quorum 22:28:23 <igorps> yn1v, what do you mean by joining latam demand to emea? 22:28:56 <yn1v> we were talking about exploring if will be better to order disk with emea and ship them to latam 22:29:03 <cwickert> igorps: we are thinking about producing media for LATAM in Czech. seems way cheaper even with shippung and customs 22:29:13 <yn1v> evene paying something at customs will result on cheaper media 22:29:32 <igorps> Got it 22:29:44 <cwickert> it's math, we need numbers 22:29:53 <yn1v> And I was thinking about exploring the other side of the issue 22:30:01 <cwickert> that's why I'll investigate shipping 22:30:26 <cwickert> yn1v and igorps: you need to give us numbers how much the individual communities in LATAM need 22:30:27 <igorps> I'm not quite sure if this will result in cheaper media but it's worth investigating 22:30:44 <cwickert> right, we can at least try 22:31:00 <igorps> cwickert, sure 22:31:15 <igorps> I can get the numbers from the last order for Brazilian ambassadors 22:31:16 <cwickert> ok, other than that, there is not much we can do now, we first need numbers 22:31:26 <cwickert> but we can approve 280 as it is now 22:31:35 <cwickert> is everybody find with that? 22:31:42 <igorps> +1 22:31:42 <yn1v> we can ping people that has order media to compare prices. 22:31:53 <cwickert> yn1v: please do 22:31:54 <yn1v> and quality 22:31:56 <cwickert> +1 22:32:15 <yn1v> I fine with 280 +1 22:32:27 <cwickert> kaio_ph: your vote please 22:33:48 <kaio_ph> +1 22:33:51 <cwickert> #agreed #280 is approved. 5 k media for USD 2,298 22:33:58 <kaio_ph> Sorry phone kbd. 22:34:51 <cwickert> #topic Funding for ib54003 for LinuxTag 2012 22:34:57 <cwickert> .famsco 290 22:34:57 <zodbot> https://fedorahosted.org/famsco/ticket/290 22:35:13 <cwickert> sorry, this one is not on the agenda, I forgot to set the keyword 22:35:36 <cwickert> basically we just need to rubberstamp it 22:35:42 <cwickert> it's 70 EUR 22:35:55 <cwickert> and urgent, as Linuxtag is in 3 weeks 22:36:17 <cwickert> #action cwickert to file budget request for LinuxTag expenses 22:36:29 <cwickert> damn, there is more stuff coming 22:36:36 <igorps> cwickert, do you know him? 22:37:06 <cwickert> igorps: yes, he is a young and enthusiastic new Ambassadors 22:37:08 <cwickert> -s 22:37:19 <cwickert> he joined us last year and did a very good job 22:37:37 <igorps> good, just to have some reference about him 22:37:42 <cwickert> he is also involved in Freemedia and spends money there 22:37:53 <cwickert> so we should pay something back I think 22:38:13 <cwickert> IHMO he is one of the most promising new ambassadors we have in EMEA 22:38:53 <igorps> cwickert, sounds good to me. It's important to foment new blood. 22:38:54 <cwickert> everybody fine with sponsoring him? 22:39:08 <igorps> +1 22:39:28 <yn1v> yes +1 22:39:28 <cwickert> igorps: he is 18 years young and he did Linux and Fedora all by himself without any help 22:39:32 <kaio_ph> ++ 22:39:32 <cwickert> +1 22:39:42 <cwickert> #agreed #290 is approved 22:39:51 <kaio_ph> Our new hope. 22:39:53 <cwickert> as for Linuxtag 22:39:54 <igorps> cwickert, great! I like the attitude! :) 22:40:02 <cwickert> I need to prepare a budget draft 22:40:06 <cwickert> I am very late with all this 22:40:11 <cwickert> Linuxtag is a major event 22:40:22 <cwickert> last year we had ~3500 EUR in total 22:40:33 <cwickert> but this year we'll be much cheaper 22:40:39 <igorps> heard good things about it 22:40:55 <cwickert> because we are going to rent two apartments instead of a hotel 22:41:12 <cwickert> I think the overall budget will be around 2500-3000 EUR 22:41:32 <cwickert> the most expensive will probably be the hotdogs 22:41:47 <kaio_ph> Hehe 22:41:50 <cwickert> LinuxTag will be awesome 22:41:57 <cwickert> Fedora and CentOS share a booth 22:42:05 <cwickert> next to CentOS there is OpenSUSE 22:42:16 <cwickert> and next to Fedora there is a hotdog stand 22:42:22 <cwickert> and OpenSUSE has free beer 22:42:26 <cwickert> beer and hotdogs! 22:42:35 * igorps also heard that cwickert uses to wear like a hot dog 22:42:35 * yn1v drooling 22:42:46 <cwickert> our plan is that we make an arrangement with the hotdog guy 22:43:03 <cwickert> we will offer pay him some money and give out freee hotdogs 22:43:18 <cwickert> anyway, stoll requires some organization, but will be awesome 22:43:31 <cwickert> I'll prepare a detailed budget till next week 22:43:32 <igorps> sounds fun! 22:43:53 <yn1v> sound delicious 22:44:00 <cwickert> ok 22:44:14 <cwickert> #topic Fedora disks for first half of 2012 (Chile and Argentina) 22:44:18 <cwickert> .famsco 263 22:44:18 <zodbot> https://fedorahosted.org/famsco/ticket/263 22:44:25 <cwickert> good news: this can finally be closed 22:44:28 <cwickert> yay 22:44:43 <cwickert> any more tickets we want to discuss now? 22:45:30 <kaio_ph> No from me. 22:45:42 <cwickert> ok 22:45:56 <cwickert> yn1v, igorps: anything from you? 22:46:09 <igorps> nothing urgent I recall 22:46:19 <cwickert> I think for the real important tickets we need to wait until herlo is back 22:46:39 <cwickert> e.g. we cannot discuss regional budget allocation without anybody from NA 22:46:48 <cwickert> #topic Open Floor 22:46:58 <cwickert> ok, speak up or be quiet for ever :) 22:47:04 <yn1v> I have changed my mind, I will not file a ticket for pizza. I will instead file a ticket for hot-dogs as snacks for release party ! 22:47:10 <kaio_ph> :X 22:47:14 <cwickert> yn1v: :) 22:47:25 <kaio_ph> Hehe 22:47:33 <cwickert> who of you will come to FUDCon KL? 22:47:40 <cwickert> kaio_ph: you will be there, right? 22:47:40 <kaio_ph> Me 22:47:44 <kaio_ph> Yes 22:47:46 <cwickert> hotel already booked? 22:48:04 <cwickert> yn1v, igorps: the two of you won't come to KL, right? 22:48:08 <igorps> Unfortunately I'm too faraway 22:48:16 <kaio_ph> My last news was harish was booking. 22:48:17 <yn1v> I will not be travelling much ... a baby is on the way 22:48:28 <cwickert> Unfortunately I will ot be able to make it to FUDCon LATAm 22:48:37 <igorps> yn1v, great! 22:48:37 <cwickert> I wanted to do all 4 FUDCons in 2012 22:48:47 <kaio_ph> I guess he has done that, as I missed last apac meeting. 22:48:49 <cwickert> but my boss will kill me if I travel that much 22:49:08 <igorps> cwickert, too bad we will not be able to met 22:49:12 <kaio_ph> So will mine. 22:50:22 <cwickert> igorps: yes, indeed. but I felt like LATAM community overall is in good shape and decided that APAC needs more help from FAmSCo for now 22:50:34 <cwickert> this is why I want to meet with kaio_ph and tuanta 22:50:40 <yn1v> cwickert, good call 22:50:46 <cwickert> and the other leaders of the APAC community 22:50:51 <kaio_ph> Yes apac needs help. 22:51:11 <kaio_ph> Hehe I am not a leader of APAC. 22:51:12 <cwickert> yn1v: too bad we won't meet. have we met in real life already? 22:51:30 <cwickert> kaio_ph: you are! one of the leaders 22:51:34 <yn1v> cwickert, I don't think so 22:51:39 <cwickert> too bad yn1v 22:51:49 * cwickert recalls meeting igorps but not yet yn1v 22:51:53 <cwickert> ok, anyway 22:51:59 <cwickert> thanks everybody for coming 22:52:07 <cwickert> 3 22:52:08 <cwickert> 2 22:52:09 <cwickert> 1 22:52:12 <cwickert> #endmeeting