05:01:39 <tagoh> #startmeeting i18n
05:01:39 <zodbot> Meeting started Thu Apr 26 05:01:39 2012 UTC.  The chair is tagoh. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.
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05:01:43 <tagoh> #meetingname i18n
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05:01:49 <tagoh> #topic agenda and roll call
05:01:58 <tagoh> https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/I18N/Meetings/2012-04-26
05:02:15 <dingyichen> hi
05:02:24 <tagoh> hi, time to have i18n meeting!
05:02:31 <epico_laptop> hi
05:02:52 <paragan> hi
05:03:07 <fujiwarat> hi
05:06:02 <juhp> hi
05:06:21 <tagoh> okay, time to get started.
05:06:28 <tagoh> #topic F17
05:07:07 <tagoh> so how does f17 look for you so far? guess you are testing f17 beta.
05:07:23 <pravins> hi
05:07:25 <tagoh> any concerns or comments to share?
05:07:56 <juhp> bugs?
05:08:09 <tagoh> we have 27 bugs in f17 and 87 bugs in rawhide now
05:09:30 <pravins> tagoh: yesterday i have built lohit font packages for F17 and rawhide, it will reduce count at least by 10 :)
05:09:43 <tagoh> pravins: great!
05:10:14 <tagoh> is it also affected in f16 and f15?
05:10:31 <pravins> couple of bugs were reported for F16
05:10:50 <tagoh> aha. so are you planning to backport for them later right?
05:11:17 <pravins> i have already pushed them for f16 as well :)
05:11:22 <tagoh> aha. cool
05:13:19 <tagoh> jni: how about #816378?
05:13:23 <tagoh> .bug 816378
05:13:25 <zodbot> tagoh: Bug 816378 fonts-tweak-tool is not localized - https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=816378
05:13:42 <paragan> I have also done pushing some more bug fixes for m17n-contrib
05:14:00 <tagoh> paragan: aha
05:14:17 <paragan> juhp, I have also built kn-typewriter.mim in new build of m17n-contrib
05:14:37 <paragan> will submit that keymap to upstream also
05:15:13 <jni> tagoh, yeah, i just want to reply it, i will upload the 0.0.5 version pot to zanata now. i also create a project on transifex and push source and translation to transifex
05:15:34 <jni> if some translator like transifex
05:16:15 <jni> https://www.transifex.net/projects/p/fonts-tweak-tool/
05:16:23 <tagoh> jni: well, the problem is no latest version of pot available on zanata
05:17:09 <jni> tagoh, ok
05:17:45 <jni> i  will push the latest now
05:18:47 <tagoh> jni: guess you need to work a bit on zanata web too to add new version.
05:18:58 <jni> tagoh, yeah
05:19:05 <tagoh> okay, good
05:19:23 <jni> tagoh, just done
05:20:01 <tagoh> jni: thanks
05:20:10 <jni> tagoh, np
05:20:42 <tagoh> fujiwarat: any progress or news for 803244?
05:20:46 <tagoh> .bug 803244
05:20:47 <zodbot> tagoh: Bug 803244 input method switch (Ctrl+Space) is not working with gnome-shell overview or run dialog - https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=803244
05:21:49 <fujiwarat> Probably I think that bug won't be fixed in f17.
05:22:29 <tagoh> hm, so hard to fix it?
05:22:38 <fujiwarat> There are two problems one is preedit text does not work and another is control+space does not work.
05:23:01 <fujiwarat> I think control+space issue has a workaround to use ibus indicator.
05:23:22 <fujiwarat> But the preedit issue is the gnome-shell.
05:23:31 <tagoh> the run dialog doesn't take care of IM at all?
05:24:04 <juhp> what to do about pre-edit?
05:24:09 <fujiwarat> shell box does not treat preedit correctly.
05:24:32 <fujiwarat> juhp: You could try to type some japanese string on the shell box.
05:24:40 <juhp> let me try again
05:24:49 <juhp> what is the plan to fix pre-edit? :)
05:25:09 <fujiwarat> I pushed a patch on upstream but no progress.
05:25:14 <juhp> ah right
05:25:46 <juhp> any link?
05:25:53 <fujiwarat> link?
05:25:57 <juhp> url
05:26:14 <fujiwarat> Ah, I put the upstream bugs in rh bug.
05:26:20 <juhp> ah ok
05:28:13 <fujiwarat> My patch suggests GtkTextEntry also has a problem so it might need a time.
05:29:03 <juhp> hmm
05:29:26 <juhp> GtkTextEntry has a problem?
05:30:02 <juhp> with gjs you mean?
05:30:27 <fujiwarat> https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=658325
05:31:16 <fujiwarat> StEntry.im_context and GtkTextEntry.im_context are private members.
05:31:45 <juhp> ok - (didn't see any mention of GtkTextEntry in the bug)
05:32:24 <tagoh> maybe good to demonstrate any testcase to reproduce on GtkTextEntry?
05:33:04 <tagoh> guess s/GtkEntry/GtkTextEntry/ or s/GtkTextEntry/GtkEntry/ ?
05:33:58 <fujiwarat> Oh, typo on upstream X(.
05:34:37 <tagoh> how about #802052 and #799571 ?
05:34:41 <tagoh> .bug 802052
05:34:43 <zodbot> tagoh: Bug 802052 Enable ibus-indicator@example.com extension -> Enable or disable doesn't work with Hangul Key - https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=802052
05:34:43 <tagoh> .bug 799571
05:34:47 <zodbot> tagoh: Bug 799571 After restarting ibus, Enable or disable ( with Control+space ) works. - https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=799571
05:35:04 <fujiwarat> That is a problem when a class inherits GtkTextEntry and tries to handle filter_keypress.
05:35:23 <juhp> is https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=658420 still meaningful?
05:36:08 <fujiwarat> juhp: Currently I added a workaround in Fedora only for that bug.
05:36:33 <juhp> I see
05:36:59 <fujiwarat> http://pkgs.fedoraproject.org/gitweb/?p=ibus.git;a=blob_plain;f=ibus-xx-g-s-disable-preedit.patch;hb=master
05:38:19 <fujiwarat> Once the upstream bug is fixed, I can remove the ibus workaround.
05:38:55 <juhp> sure
05:39:34 <tagoh> fujiwarat: ^
05:39:42 <anish_> hi
05:40:20 <fujiwarat> tagoh: I think #802052 and #799571 will be fixed.
05:41:01 <fujiwarat> Probably I will create a new ibus version tomorrow for f17.
05:41:12 <tagoh> okay
05:41:46 <tagoh> anything more on f17?
05:43:37 <tagoh> okay, shall we move on then
05:43:44 <tagoh> #topic F18
05:44:26 <tagoh> well, just reminder so far, good to have a little time to think about f18 features.
05:45:54 <tagoh> some features are approved for f18 already. hope we'll have more features on f18 too
05:46:21 <tagoh> #topic Input Methods
05:46:39 <tagoh> any updates to share except the above? :)
05:48:28 <tagoh> fwiw on f18, planning to move imsettings log files and xinputrc to where xdg base dir spec defines. ~/.imsettings.log -> $XDG_CACHE_HOME/imsettings/log and ~/.xinputrc -> $XDG_CONFIG_HOME/imsettings/xinputrc say.
05:49:55 <juhp> aha
05:50:20 <tagoh> dueno: do you have any updates for IM? :)
05:50:29 <pravins> anish_: feature for ibus-huspell?
05:50:44 <anish_> pravins, yes for f18
05:51:46 <tagoh> yep, early submit isn't bad.
05:52:01 <fujiwarat> BTW, It seems ibus-indic-tables and ibus-european-tables create directories in $HOME/.ibus but I think $HOME/.config is much better.
05:52:53 <anish_> fujiwarat, i think i .ibus looks ok
05:53:20 <tagoh> fujiwarat: sounds good
05:53:20 <anish_> it is not .conf files
05:53:43 <fujiwarat> People don't prefer increasing dot files why we moved some directories into .config recently.
05:55:29 <fujiwarat> anish_: I think it would be good to move user config files into $HOME/.config. Some distro applies internal patches for this.
05:56:18 <anish_> fujiwarat, ohh ok t
05:56:22 <tagoh> anish_: if it's not supposed to modify, I suppose you can use $XDG_CACHE_HOME instead
05:56:59 <fujiwarat> Agreed to use XDG.
05:57:49 <tagoh> anish_: better read http://standards.freedesktop.org/basedir-spec/latest/ you can see where is better place for that
05:57:51 <anish_> tagoh, thanks i will use that
05:58:15 <tagoh> okay, anything more for IM?
05:58:47 <tagoh> fujiwarat: thanks for bringing this up btw :)
05:59:19 <tagoh> maybe good to file a bug for that to keep it on track?
05:59:33 <fujiwarat> Just noticed a few hours ago :).
05:59:49 <juhp> tagoh: good idea
06:00:28 <fujiwarat> ok
06:00:56 <tagoh> #action fujiwarat to file a bug for xdg base dir migration on ibus-indic-tables and ibus-european-tables
06:01:00 <tagoh> fujiwarat: thanks
06:01:27 <tagoh> okay, shall we move on then?
06:01:30 <anish_> tagoh, fujiwarat thanks
06:01:51 <tagoh> #topic Fonts and Rendering
06:01:57 <tagoh> any updates for fonts and rendering?
06:03:31 <pravins> liberation vs Croscore :)
06:03:44 <pravins> juhp: tagoh yesterday i was checking croscore and liberation
06:03:49 <tagoh> sure
06:03:58 <pravins> Croscore and liberation shapes are 100% same
06:04:18 <pravins> croscore has more coverage that is the plus point
06:04:35 <tagoh> interesting
06:05:01 <pravins> yes, one can say it is like someone added more characters into liberation ;)
06:05:14 <pravins> anyway that is not our concern
06:05:32 <pravins> license incompatibility is major concern
06:05:40 <pravins> croscore has better OFL license
06:06:41 <pravins> but second question is upstream for  croscore
06:06:43 <tagoh> no copyright notice about it or any references in croscore?
06:07:35 <pravins> it is there
06:07:46 <paragan> otfinfo -i /usr/share/fonts/google-croscore/Arimo-Regular.ttf
06:07:46 <paragan> Family:              Arimo
06:07:46 <paragan> Subfamily:           Regular
06:07:46 <paragan> Full name:           Arimo
06:07:46 <paragan> PostScript name:     Arimo
06:07:47 <paragan> Version:             Version 1.21
06:07:49 <paragan> Unique ID:           Ascender - Arimo
06:07:51 <paragan> Description:         Arimo was designed by Steve Matteson as an innovative, refreshing sans serif design that is metrically compatible with Arial™. Arimo offers improved on-screen readability characteristics and the pan-European WGL character set and solves the needs of developers looking for width-compatible fonts to address document portability across platforms.
06:07:56 <paragan> Designer:            Steve Matteson
06:07:58 <paragan> Designer URL:        http://www.ascendercorp.com/typedesigners.html
06:08:00 <paragan> Manufacturer:        Ascender Corporation
06:08:02 <paragan> Vendor URL:          http://www.ascendercorp.com/
06:08:04 <paragan> Trademark:           Arimo is a trademark of Google and may be registered in certain jurisdictions.
06:08:06 <paragan> Copyright:           Digitized data copyright (c) 2010 Google Corporation.
06:08:08 <paragan> License URL:         http://scripts.sil.org/OFL
06:08:10 <paragan> License Description: Licensed under the SIL Open Font License, Version 1.1
06:09:42 <pravins> juhp:  tagoh need to take some decision, in which direction to go in long term.
06:09:49 <paragan> I hope above explains more details information about croscore font
06:10:32 <tagoh> hmm, it looks like they just licensed it from Ascender though.
06:10:47 <pravins> tagoh: yeah
06:11:10 <tagoh> so what's the concern? :)
06:11:26 <pravins> unfortunately liberation is not under OFL license, else i could have easily copied shapes from croscore to liberation ;)
06:11:37 <pravins> we should use either liberation or croscore
06:11:52 <pravins> if liberation then in long term need to increase its coverage
06:12:10 <tagoh> heh
06:13:13 <tagoh> well, IMHO no need to terminate development of liberation.. though it would be nice if we can increase coverage etc
06:13:30 <pravins> yes.
06:13:38 <pravins> presently that is look good option
06:14:06 <pravins> thanks tagoh, lets discuss more on same in next meeting
06:14:14 <tagoh> having more choice isn't bad too. we may need to decide what's better for default though.
06:14:28 <tagoh> okay
06:14:44 <pravins> yes, agree
06:14:53 <tagoh> #topic Open Floor
06:15:08 <tagoh> okay, any more topics we are missing in the agenda?
06:16:01 <tagoh> if not, let's close the meeting shortly
06:17:18 <tagoh> okay, thanks everyone for the meeting!
06:17:23 <tagoh> #endmeeting