04:01:50 #startmeeting 04:01:50 Meeting started Sat Apr 14 04:01:50 2012 UTC. The chair is tuanta. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 04:01:50 Useful Commands: #action #agreed #halp #info #idea #link #topic. 04:01:57 dramsey +1 yes 04:01:58 #meetingname apac 04:01:58 The meeting name has been set to 'apac' 04:02:03 #topic Ambassador Pinging 04:02:07 .fas dramsey 04:02:08 dramsey: dramsey 'David Ramsey' 04:02:15 .fas amk 04:02:16 .fas izhar 04:02:16 maktrix: samkraju 'Sam K. Raju' - akmah71 'hamka' - samnow 'saman kamkar' - priam 'Priam' - kawansam 'Heri Samuel' - sairamkonuru 'kouru' - galois 'Jon Hamkins' - ramkripalprasad 'Ram Kripal Prasad' - ramkrushna 'ramkrushna (7 more messages) 04:02:18 .fas mak 04:02:20 KageSenshi: izhar 'Mohd Izhar Firdaus Ismail' 04:02:25 maktrix: szechunm 'szechunm' - anusin 'sindhu' - makfinsky 'Ivan Makfinsky' - hamako 'Hamako Lavoie' - tmak 'Thomas Marek' - radhika 'RADHIKA MAKWANA' - hzdrus 'Vladimir Ivashchenko' - shaileshmakwana 'shailesh makwana' - (29 more messages) 04:02:28 #chair dramsey bckurera KageSenshi maktrix FranciscoD 04:02:28 Current chairs: FranciscoD KageSenshi bckurera dramsey maktrix tuanta 04:02:29 .fas 04:02:30 maktrix: '' Not Found! 04:02:33 .fas tuanta 04:02:35 tuanta: tuanta 'Truong Anh Tuan' 04:02:39 .fas mahayalamkhan@gmail.com 04:02:43 maktrix: mak 'Mahay Alam Khan' 04:02:49 hello everyone 04:02:54 hi 04:02:57 .fas FranciscoD 04:02:58 FranciscoD: ankursinha 'Ankur Sinha' - franciscodubo 'Francisco Javier Dubó Ortíz' 04:03:01 welcome on board :) 04:03:02 hello 04:03:13 Today agenda here: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Meeting:APAC_Ambassadors_2012-04-14#Agenda 04:03:14 :D 04:03:43 * KageSenshi was supposed to go to get quotes for swags .. but woke up late >.< 04:03:44 cool to see a ot of people today :) 04:03:54 * FranciscoD hopes everyone took time to look at the agenda and modify it for the meeting 04:04:03 .fas bckurera 04:04:04 bckurera: bckurera 'Buddhika Kurera' 04:04:25 +1 FranciscoD. you can add more items into Agenda now 04:04:36 * bckurera I wont be able to make todays meeting waiting to go out, keep it going folks 04:04:41 #chair arifiauo 04:04:41 Current chairs: FranciscoD KageSenshi arifiauo bckurera dramsey maktrix tuanta 04:04:45 hi friends 04:04:50 +1 04:04:53 .fas arifiauo 04:04:54 everyone here already? 04:04:54 arifiauo: arifiauo 'Arif Tri Waluyo' 04:04:55 should we start to the main topics? 04:05:06 +1 04:05:10 +1 04:05:14 +1 04:05:26 Lets keep this organized :) 04:05:29 ! ? eof 04:05:35 +1 04:05:37 tuanta will give you your turn 04:05:48 (when it comes :P) 04:05:59 #topic Review *ACTION* items from the last meeting 04:05:59 tuanta: please proceed :) 04:06:12 #chair arifiauo 04:06:12 Current chairs: FranciscoD KageSenshi arifiauo bckurera dramsey maktrix tuanta 04:07:16 please go ahead, bckurera and FranciscoD 04:07:28 ! 04:07:40 as you can see on the agenda page 04:07:55 I see FranciscoD got all action items done 04:07:59 I have one task pending: the survey 04:08:17 I wanted your folks suggestions on what the questions should be :) 04:08:33 1. "What have you been upto this cycle" 04:08:42 2. "What issues have you faced this cycle?" 04:09:02 3. "What do you think can be done to correct these issues?" 04:09:23 these are fairly broad. Any one have any suggestions on any specific questions? 04:09:33 ! 04:09:34 eof 04:09:41 humm, any ideas? 04:10:10 I think, it's better to propose this to the mailing list 04:10:21 ! 04:10:29 we can have more time for thoughts 04:10:29 +1 to ml 04:10:49 please dramsey 04:11:09 +1 mailing list 04:11:20 Ask for ideas for improvvements? What help do they need? +1 for mailing list and may be build on your last survey done by FranciscoD 04:11:21 eof 04:11:51 ! 04:11:53 go ahead, FranciscoD 04:12:09 Here's the thing about discussing this on the mailing list: 04:12:23 the survey has a set of users who will answer it 04:12:33 it doens quite make sense that the same set of users make the survey 04:12:48 a closed set of users make a survey, and give it out to everyone to fill 04:12:52 Meeting? 04:13:02 kaio_ph_, yep 04:13:04 #chair kaio_ph_ 04:13:04 Current chairs: FranciscoD KageSenshi arifiauo bckurera dramsey kaio_ph_ maktrix tuanta 04:13:22 so, I'd prefer if a closed set, that is, US, made the survey, and circulated it out to the folks 04:13:34 if we ask the folks "what should the survey be?", 04:13:39 the thread will end being the survey 04:13:46 understood, FranciscoD. we may have a*private* email within all of us 04:13:51 and it'll be unorganized 04:13:52 etc 04:13:54 .fas me@kaio 04:13:55 kaio_ph_: kaio 'Caius Chance (かいお)' 04:14:08 which defeats the purpose of a survey really :) 04:14:09 eof 04:14:32 hi kaio_ph_ 04:14:45 arifiauo: Hi 04:15:05 is that good enough, FranciscoD? 04:15:15 aye 04:15:43 okie, so you should mark this as an action 04:15:52 #info Folks get together on an email thread to design the survey 04:15:57 any more ideas? 04:16:01 #action FranciscoD mail relevant folks with survey ideas 04:16:20 ! 04:16:30 go ahead, FranciscoD 04:16:38 hmm 04:16:48 * VICODAN checks topic 04:16:54 bckurera isn't around I think, so we should mark his action items for the next meeting? 04:16:57 and move on? 04:16:57 eof 04:17:15 VICODAN, this is APAC Ambassadors Meeting 04:17:23 nice 04:17:25 go APC 04:17:26 +1 FranciscoD 04:17:28 APAC* 04:17:42 or we can back to him later 04:17:47 * VICODAN lurks quietly 04:17:47 move on now? 04:18:06 #Info Marking bckurera 's action items to discuss in next meeting 04:18:11 #action bckurera add more ideas into things need to be discussed f2f at FUDCon KL 04:18:17 #topic Make decision on shutting down India trac 04:18:27 #action bckurera to work on video to elaborate the importance of apac-trac 04:18:43 We should vote on what is to be done about https://fedorahosted.org/famsco/ticket/268 04:18:43 #action bckurera to have breakfast earlier before next meeting :P 04:19:19 xD 04:19:40 thanks FranciscoD 04:19:49 +1 04:19:51 * FranciscoD suggests everyone read the ticket and the comment thread to understand the situation 04:20:11 +1 04:20:26 we have discussed a lot about India trac. Now is the time for final decision, I think. 04:20:49 we should go to vote, then... wait for FAmSCo actions 04:21:04 +1 04:21:19 any more ieas? 04:21:22 ! 04:21:35 go ahead bckurera 04:22:06 The famsco thinks we need to decide what to do next. 04:22:10 Please refer to the ticket 04:22:26 therefore I think as suggested the next step is to discuss this with the infra 04:22:40 bckurera, understood. So, I think we should go voting first 04:22:43 I would like to ping infra and see what can be done 04:23:06 tuanta I think that will bring us to the starting point 04:23:13 ? 04:23:25 we can take the action as noted 04:23:26 Just set India trac to read only. 04:23:51 we can merge the trac if it is possible 04:23:57 eof 04:24:38 ? 04:24:41 bckurera, some other people may have more ideas. I know, within this meeting, we made the decision to vote for closing the India trac 04:24:52 go ahead, FranciscoD 04:24:59 ! 04:25:13 FranciscoD and then bckurera, 04:25:16 bckurera: are you suggesting that we first ping infra, find out what can be done, how much effort it'll take, and *then* vote? 04:25:18 eof 04:25:41 * FranciscoD notes: please type and keep your text ready. When your turn comes, it'll be quicker 04:25:42 bckurera, go ahead 04:25:53 yes, I mean there is no need voting if it needs more effort 04:26:01 ! 04:26:14 we have a tentative answer, make it read-only or merge it 04:26:15 FranciscoD, please 04:26:21 merging needs lot of effort 04:26:28 bckurera: would you take up "talking to infra"? 04:26:34 but if it is possible will go for it 04:26:42 * FranciscoD also thinks read only is the way to go 04:26:47 FranciscoD , sure i ll take it 04:26:57 Merging, even if simple, is more work than marking -india read only 04:27:09 ? 04:27:13 eof 04:27:20 however will make the india-trac read only soon 04:27:29 and add a note to use the fedora-apac 04:27:34 +1 04:27:44 otherwise there can be confusion, we can take the exact decision later 04:27:47 agree? 04:27:50 eof 04:28:01 + 1 bckurera. At least, everyone can switch to APAX trac asap 04:28:01 #action bckurera talk to infra about -india trac situation 04:28:02 +1 04:28:08 s/APAX/APAC 04:28:27 * FranciscoD also suggests that we make a formal announcement requesting people to use the APAC trac 04:28:32 inode0: please go ahead :) 04:28:34 Is there anything it that is really important to even keep access to at this point? Back up the tickets and just close it and start fresh with the apac trac? 04:28:38 eof 04:28:45 ! 04:28:50 * FranciscoD would like to anwer that 04:29:07 go ahead, FranciscoD 04:29:29 inode0: I was wondering the same thing. I'm quite unsure of why the data from the india trac needs to be kept alive for public access. 04:29:47 ! 04:30:13 FranciscoD, have you finished? 04:30:15 It's probably to maintain history. No one from FAmSCo, even christoph, has suggested closing it down. History is important 04:30:18 eof 04:30:25 and then, bckurera, please go ahead 04:30:30 may be those info will be needed in the future, therefore we can archive those. I think we dont want to worry much about this. The main thing is use of the fedora-apac 04:31:12 we can make the india trac read-only and ask FAms to use fedira-apac, it is simple and solve the problem 04:31:17 eof 04:31:19 +1 04:31:25 +1 04:31:25 +1 History is important 04:31:26 +1 04:31:36 any more ideas? 04:31:47 ? 04:32:03 pelase, dramsey 04:32:05 So do "we" need to provide an "action" and/or "decision" for moving this forward? 04:32:06 eof 04:32:15 ! 04:32:39 FranciscoD marked an action assigned to bckurera 04:32:43 bckurera, please 04:32:49 For this meeting will conclude this topic, I ll ping infra and collect more info, what can be done and what cannot be done. 04:33:11 I ll update the meeting agenda so that next meeting will go for a vote or get a decision 04:33:32 other wise we keep wasting tie I suppose. 04:33:39 eof 04:33:40 +1 04:33:50 then we should move next now 04:34:01 make it as "action" 04:34:04 #action bckurera ping infra and discuss about the india-trac and report to mailing list 04:34:10 ok 04:34:14 done! 04:34:17 #topic Things need to be discussed face to face in FUDCon KL 04:34:32 #link https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/User:Tuanta/FUDCon_KL_2012_BoF_discussion 04:34:45 anything should be added more? 04:35:59 ? 04:36:10 sorry, the new lin should be here: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FUDCon:KualaLumpur_2012/BoF_discussion 04:36:22 dramsey, go ahead please 04:36:31 FYI on on TMGuidelinesDraft and is there an action for this, too 04:36:33 * bckurera , I need to leave out now, I ll read the logs, sorry for that. have a nice meeting 04:36:34 #link http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/User:Pchestek/TMGuidelinesDraft 04:36:35 s/lin/link 04:36:36 eof 04:37:01 bckurera, thanks. see you later 04:37:08 boy, my ISP does *not* like saturday mornings. >.< 04:37:18 +1 dramsey 04:38:21 I see, we have a long list of things need to be discussed in KL. 04:38:45 I will reorganize them and put to the next meeting discussion 04:38:57 ! 04:39:08 FranciscoD, please go ahead 04:39:11 again 04:39:16 I don't think a long list is a good idea. 04:39:35 The list should be cut down so that only things that require us to physically sit down together are discussed. 04:39:52 a long list of not so important topics means we get less time for each topic 04:39:58 that's why we need to reorganize it to be more effective 04:40:01 therefore not paying enough attention to critical topics 04:40:26 i suggest we make a table and add "critical" "major" "minor" to the items 04:40:35 ? 04:40:35 and discuss them in that order 04:40:38 +1 FranciscoD. Totally agree with you 04:40:40 eof 04:40:45 please dramsey 04:40:46 As in priority? eof 04:40:51 aye 04:41:00 exactly. +1 dramsey 04:41:05 one of the things we're working on is "productive meetings". 04:41:14 meetings cannot be productive if the agenda isn't well made 04:41:17 +1 FranciscoD 04:41:49 tuanta: would you take up the action of reorganizing the list in table form? I can help out too 04:41:51 yes, I will be in charge of reorganizing it and then propose it back to the next Saturday meeting 04:42:21 #action tuanta Reorganize items page for face2face discussion at KL 04:42:32 thanks, you are so fast :) 04:42:41 #info Reorganized page to be discussed next apac meeting 21 Apr to give items priority 04:42:46 next then? 04:42:46 ;) 04:42:52 +1 04:42:52 +1 04:42:52 next+ 04:42:58 #topic APAC Events and Status of F17 Release Parties (dramsey) 04:43:15 dramsey, your topic. 04:43:17 Thank you, FYI APAC Events and Status of F17 Release Parties 04:43:26 #link https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Events#FY13_Q1_.28March_2012_-_May_2012.29_3 04:43:32 ! 04:43:32 #link https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/F17_release_events 04:43:40 ! 04:43:45 please, continue Tuan and Ankur 04:44:04 dramsey, why do we need to wiki pages? 04:44:13 that could get us confused 04:44:15 eof 04:44:26 s/to/two 04:44:28 sorry :) 04:45:00 iirc, the second link is a list of tentative envents 04:45:12 ones that get confirmed go to the actual events page 04:45:29 That is a great question, I strongly believe that people get "confused" where they need to make their events posted. 04:45:29 eof 04:45:44 the second link only lists F17 release events, (a subset of the entire events page) 04:45:47 ! 04:45:54 tuanta: go 04:45:55 :P 04:45:55 The Release Events is a place for where "Release" events are noticed 04:45:56 eof 04:46:25 I think we should have only one point in the first link, linked to the second one 04:46:48 I mean in the general event page, we should have the link to F17 RP page 04:46:50 eof 04:46:59 ! 04:47:06 please FranciscoD 04:47:20 Will need discussion with the entire Ambassadors bosy 04:47:24 s/bosy/body/ 04:47:28 Maybe famsco even 04:47:34 eof 04:47:40 +1 FranciscoD 04:47:46 ? 04:47:59 dramsey, please 04:48:15 I strongly believe that we will be "belittling" the APAC efforts conducted for the last year. 04:48:27 The wiki pages are do your advantage. 04:48:34 I have updated these every cycle 04:48:47 Such is my work to help promote the Release events for you. 04:48:47 eof 04:49:17 * FranciscoD doesnt mind the current setup 04:50:01 ok, dramsey. it made sense to me 04:50:04 any more ideas? 04:50:13 ? 04:50:18 dramsey, please 04:50:34 thank you both your comments. Having a structure and foundation allows "people" to fill in their own blanks. 04:50:39 I appreciate your time and support 04:50:39 eof 04:50:57 ! 04:51:06 hey ambassadors 04:51:07 arifiauo, go ahead please 04:51:08 http://fpaste.org/zIGZ/ 04:51:12 that's for you 04:51:17 I've updated the wiki and ticket on famsco trac are in the process even though the funds have not been fully approved. 04:51:36 VICODAN, you would queue after arifiauo 04:51:51 i dont need a queue 04:51:55 just read it and smile 04:52:00 :) 04:52:08 ? 04:52:15 eof 04:52:18 eof 04:52:32 arifiauo: ticket link please? 04:52:45 has a mail to the ambassadors list been sent out about the event? 04:52:57 If not, please do so. If yes, please give us the link 04:53:18 #link https://fedorahosted.org/famsco/ticket/275 04:53:26 If its urgent, please email harish too. He's a little busy with the FUDCon preparations at the moment though. 04:54:05 Event page link? ;) 04:54:06 eof 04:54:17 FranciscoD, yes. in the ml 04:54:23 arifiauo, next times, you should open that such ticket in APAC trac 04:54:57 arifiauo: when you open a ticket, a link to the event page should be given 04:55:11 I made a ticket before there was talk about centralisasi trac 04:55:11 The event page should hold all the information. It's more organized, easier to follow :) 04:55:42 ah, link to event page is given. Great :) 04:56:15 arifiauo: can you tell us what's causing the holdup? Is there anything we can do to help? 04:56:24 #link https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Release_Party_F17_Surakarta 04:56:54 ok, I'll add link to the page event 04:57:54 * FranciscoD notes that we're 3 minutes shy of one hour 04:57:56 famsco only respond once a week, usually after the meeting. 04:58:11 arifiauo, that's on FAmSCo's hands now. But we can have some more ideas if needed 04:58:23 +1 04:58:33 yes, please 04:59:23 arifiauo, that's not abnormal thing. famsco just has one meeting per week 04:59:53 anything we can support you? 05:00:35 ? 05:00:43 please support to get it over with. 05:01:15 possible by contacting a member of famsco. 05:01:20 ? 05:01:26 dramsey, please 05:01:27 eof 05:01:35 Points to kaio_ph_ :) 05:01:37 eof 05:01:55 +1 dramsey, kaio is here right now 05:02:08 kaio_ph_ please support this case 05:02:08 :) 05:02:20 tickets are pointed at kaio. 05:02:54 +1 05:03:17 #action kaio_ph_ support the ticket https://fedorahosted.org/famsco/ticket/275 to get it closed asap 05:03:17 ? looks to (2:00:36 PM) maktrix: ? 05:03:21 +1 Tuan 05:03:28 please maktrix 05:03:41 it's more than an hour now 05:03:43 Thanks tuanta :) 05:03:54 we are running out of time. would you like to discuss our event? 05:03:56 https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Release_Party_F17_Dhaka 05:04:06 ok, please maktrix 05:04:14 anything we can support? 05:04:30 https://fedorahosted.org/fedora-apac/ticket/21 05:04:48 Support this please. 05:04:58 hello hanthana 05:05:07 ok, I think we should go to the next topic in agenda 05:05:11 maktrix, hi 05:05:28 it also includes your ticket 05:05:30 #chair hanthana 05:05:30 Current chairs: FranciscoD KageSenshi arifiauo bckurera dramsey hanthana kaio_ph_ maktrix tuanta 05:05:40 tuanta: I assume that ticket is being discussed? 05:05:59 .fas snavin 05:05:59 hanthana: snavin 'Danishka Navin' 05:06:06 it would be discussed in the next topic 05:06:17 #topic Closing the india trac 05:06:24