19:00:21 <rbergeron> #startmeeting Cloud SIG
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19:00:35 <smooge> not it
19:00:44 <rbergeron> man oh man, jforbes, you are an expert at ending on time
19:00:55 <rbergeron> #meetingname Cloud SIG
19:00:55 <zodbot> The meeting name has been set to 'cloud_sig'
19:01:05 <rbergeron> #topic Who's around, who's a square
19:01:28 * rbergeron beeps at ke4qqq since he is inexplicably not in #fedora-cloud atm
19:01:29 * tdawson definatly fits in the round category.
19:01:32 * mull here
19:01:33 <rbergeron> tdawson :)
19:01:36 * russellb in
19:01:37 <rbergeron> #join #fedora-cloud
19:01:39 <rbergeron> NO
19:01:44 <spstarr_work> hullo
19:01:49 <crobinso> howdy
19:02:09 * rbergeron gathers the masses
19:02:22 <rbergeron> wow, those are two words you never want to do a typo with.
19:02:53 <rbergeron> so, today in our meeting, we're all going to sit around praising the work of Zonker.
19:02:57 * rbergeron grins
19:03:02 <rbergeron> okay, let's get started:
19:03:04 <rbergeron> #topic Agenda
19:03:20 <jbrockmeier> rbergeron: how would that differ from any other meeting?
19:03:34 <rbergeron> Soo let's see who's here today. I see openstack, opennebula, openshift, euca.
19:03:48 <rbergeron> jbrockmeier: excellent point. i do make a point of taking a moment of silence for zonkerpraise in every meeting.
19:04:12 <orc_fedo> rbergeron: lady ada and pixel approve
19:04:23 <rbergeron> So I think that may be the order of bizness, so to speak. :)
19:04:27 <rbergeron> orc_fedo: good to know.
19:04:35 <rbergeron> #topic OpenStack
19:04:53 <rbergeron> russellb, crobinso: anything new? ;)
19:05:14 * spstarr_work waits til last
19:05:21 <rbergeron> spstarr_work: noted
19:05:28 <russellb> um, UM, Essex was released April 5th!  Fedora 17 is all up to date.  We're still working through EPEL 6 issues.
19:05:46 <russellb> design summit for Folsom next week, that should be fun and interesting
19:05:51 <rbergeron> #link http://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/cloud/2012-April/001365.html
19:05:51 <crobinso> rbergeron: pushed essex openstack horizon on monday, still trying to work through some remaining bzs!
19:06:02 <rbergeron> #info pixelbeat posted a nice status mail, seen just above.
19:06:18 <rbergeron> #info Essex was released on Apr. 5th, F17 is up to date, still working through epel 6 issues.
19:06:36 <rbergeron> #info design summit for Folsom next week, russellb to buy robyn a hot dog
19:06:54 <rbergeron> #info essex openstack horizon pushed on monday, still working through some remaining bzs.
19:07:09 <russellb> oh snap
19:07:09 <rbergeron> so, i have a question for you both:
19:07:16 * rbergeron looks at russellb
19:07:25 * russellb gets nervous
19:07:28 <rbergeron> oh, the hot dog thing?
19:07:45 <russellb> no, staring at me
19:07:46 <rbergeron> so in the feature pages - there's a few spots of "documentation will be here later" and that kind of thing
19:08:01 <rbergeron> https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Features/OpenStack_Essex
19:08:05 <rbergeron> "TBD before f17 release"
19:08:17 <rbergeron> are those in the process of... Being D'd, so to speak?
19:08:20 <rbergeron> hey rackerjoe
19:08:24 <rackerjoe> Hola
19:08:35 <dgilmore> hi rbergeron
19:08:39 <rbergeron> hi dennis :)
19:08:59 <russellb> i guess the docs are: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Getting_started_with_OpenStack_on_Fedora_17
19:09:45 <russellb> feature page updated with that link
19:09:50 <russellb> also need release notes i guess
19:10:07 <russellb> http://wiki.openstack.org/ReleaseNotes/Essex
19:10:08 <russellb> heh
19:10:10 <rbergeron> okay, or i guess maybe linking ot the upstream docs (not sure what state of completion those are) but I think the getting started stuff is more immediately useful for people who... just want to do it and not read vast amounts of documentation
19:10:39 <rbergeron> yeah, so, release notes on the feature pages is more like "here's a blurb for us to stick in our release notes" though the upstream stuff is always useful.
19:10:48 <russellb> yeah, docs.openstack.org, will link that too
19:11:04 <rbergeron> the Fedora Docs folks tend to look at that stuff to figure out what to add and so forth
19:11:09 <rbergeron> russellb: you da man
19:11:10 <russellb> i can always count on the fedora wiki to spot check my elementary math skills.
19:11:20 <rbergeron> LOL
19:11:45 <rbergeron> that drives me nuts sometimes.
19:11:54 <rbergeron> I go back and i'm like, why didn't this.... oh, right, 9+2
19:12:00 <rbergeron> anyway.
19:12:01 <russellb> yes!
19:12:10 <rbergeron> So there is a handful of folks attending next week.
19:12:35 <rbergeron> I sent out that mail earlier today on suehle's amazing awesome work on the postcard/flier so if anyone has anything to add or wants to revise that would be excellente.
19:13:00 <rbergeron> i got a few notes back from rkukura.
19:13:06 <rbergeron> #link http://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/cloud/2012-April/001366.html
19:13:34 <rbergeron> #info suehle did some nice work on a flyer/postcard for next week, we need to order it monday to get it there by wednesday to hotel to hand out at conf on thursday/friday
19:13:40 <rbergeron> so food for thought.
19:13:55 <rbergeron> in case you're thinking this weekend about sitting in front of your computer some more. :)
19:13:58 <rbergeron> anything else openstacky?
19:14:12 <rbergeron> anything awsome to talk about?
19:14:12 <rbergeron> err
19:14:14 <rbergeron> awesome
19:14:19 * rbergeron snickers
19:14:20 <suehle> and suehle will be at the beach all weekend, so sooner is better than later :)
19:14:23 * spstarr_work looks around
19:14:23 <rbergeron> okay, I'll move on
19:14:28 <rbergeron> oooooh. nice
19:14:53 <rbergeron> i expect to see grand sand sculptures from you :)
19:15:06 <rbergeron> #topic opennebula
19:15:13 <rbergeron> spstarr_work: HOWDY, glad you could make it today
19:15:16 <spstarr_work> :)
19:15:30 <spstarr_work> So an update: upstream has given me patches to fix rpmlint issues identified
19:15:52 <spstarr_work> I will be testing them tonight and submitting the package for formal reviews - See DL for announcement for request for package review tonight also
19:16:08 <rbergeron> #info upstream has given spstarr patches to fix rpmlint issues that were identified, spstarr will be testing them and then submitting pkg for formal reviews
19:16:12 <spstarr_work> if that is done quick i will then modify comps.xml to add into cloud group opennebula package
19:16:14 <spstarr_work> profit!!!
19:16:15 <spstarr_work> :)
19:16:23 <rbergeron> #info see devel list announcement for package review later tonight
19:16:25 <spstarr_work> I also will be doing testing of the package in my cloud lab at home
19:16:40 <rbergeron> #info will later modify comps.xml to add opennebula package to cloud group package
19:16:59 <spstarr_work> this will then conclude Fedora 17 activities for OpenNebula
19:17:00 <rbergeron> #info <gnomes and profit joke here>
19:17:12 <rbergeron> spstarr_work: rinse, wash, repeat?
19:17:19 <spstarr_work> yes
19:17:22 <rbergeron> you've done a lot of stuff on this, nice work :)
19:17:29 <spstarr_work> we've disabled functionality for 17 due to Ruby 1.9
19:17:56 <spstarr_work> upstream is hoping to switch to a different data model framework which will allow us to turn on oZones functionality (proxy support for OpenNebula frontends in a zone)
19:18:21 <rbergeron> for 17? or 16
19:18:25 <spstarr_work> 18+
19:18:28 <rbergeron> oh
19:18:54 <spstarr_work> its a big code change so it will not be wise to backport to 17
19:19:39 * rbergeron nods, gotcha
19:19:45 <spstarr_work> that is all :)
19:20:07 <rbergeron> excellente. thank you, sir
19:20:26 <rbergeron> #topic openshift
19:20:47 <rbergeron> thank god for eucalyptus, I can always keep them straight from the other projects with the words open and cloud in them.
19:20:50 <rbergeron> :)
19:20:55 <rbergeron> tdawson: you around? :)
19:21:02 <tdawson> Yep, still here.
19:22:02 <rbergeron> hey. so are you going to be at the opencloudconf thingy next month?
19:22:16 <tdawson> No, but it looks like everyone else is going to be.
19:22:22 * rbergeron frowns
19:22:23 <tdawson> http://www.opencloudconf.com/workshops.php#cloud
19:22:52 <rbergeron> and then my other question is: I'm guessing you will be wanting to get on the packaging train pretty soon.
19:23:09 <tdawson> Yes, I am looking for a sponsor.
19:23:28 <rbergeron> so i was thinking that mayyyybe if ou wanted to get a head start before you start packaging openshift that perhaps someone might have some other things around to get you started.
19:23:38 <rbergeron> Oh, do you ahve packages already started and need sponsoring love now?
19:24:02 <rbergeron> and I'm sorry if i just seemed totally distracted but i just found out there is a wienermobile like 8 miles from my house at this very second
19:24:07 <tdawson> We have Brett Lentz and Wesley Hearn packaging up rubygems for those things we already can get into Fedora.
19:24:14 <rbergeron> ah.
19:24:31 <tdawson> I was hoping to start with rubygem-mongo
19:24:32 <rbergeron> but you need a sponsor to go with packages that you haven't started yet
19:24:44 <rbergeron> hrmmmmm.
19:25:01 <rbergeron> #info tdawson looking for a packaging sponsor so he can do some openshift work, which i know you all want to see!
19:25:20 <rbergeron> i can ask sdake, though I wonder if spot might be willing.
19:25:26 <rbergeron> or perhaps mull?
19:25:39 <mull> rbergeron, I'm not a sponsor yet
19:25:52 <mull> sorry
19:25:53 <rbergeron> okay, that answers that question :)
19:26:16 <rbergeron> #action rbergeron to ask sdake if he can sponsor tdawson
19:26:45 <tdawson> That would be great if I could get sponsored.
19:26:54 <rbergeron> beyond that, if he's tight on bandwidth, i am pretty sure we can find someone. :)
19:27:19 * rbergeron thinks mmcgrath could probably sponsor you too ;)
19:27:39 <rbergeron> okay. well, i just want to make sure you're on the train to sponsorship well ahead of when you want things done :)
19:28:01 <tdawson> Thank you.
19:28:19 <rbergeron> tdawson: and then when you guys are like, officially opening the proverbial doors I'll start harassing you about wiki pages and stuff.
19:28:37 <rbergeron> or you'll start sending someone else when you can't take my harassment anymore. :)
19:28:40 * rbergeron grins
19:28:47 <rbergeron> it's all in good smileys though.
19:28:50 <tdawson> I look forward to the harrasment.
19:29:01 <rbergeron> Excellent!
19:29:07 <rbergeron> okay. I'm going to move onwards then :)
19:29:11 <rbergeron> thanks for coming, it's good to have you here.
19:29:26 <tdawson> Anytime ... on a friday ... afternoon.
19:29:37 <rbergeron> LOL
19:29:45 <rbergeron> #topic Eucalyptus
19:30:07 <rbergeron> I'm looking for a mull, a gholms, an obino, or the elusive gregdek.
19:30:21 <mull> ok, I'm back
19:30:25 <rbergeron> hey.
19:30:27 <rbergeron> so.
19:30:37 <rbergeron> (tdawson: this is a preview of what's to come)
19:30:47 <mull> so, gholms and I have been busy with infrastructure stuff
19:30:52 <rbergeron> mull: so. f18 plans, we talked about it a few weeks ago, are things still reasonably similar there?
19:30:55 <rbergeron> :)
19:30:57 <mull> (new scm, new issue tracking system, etc)
19:31:15 <rbergeron> you mean euca infra stuff, not the separate fedora infrastructure/cloud stuff
19:31:24 <mull> right, euca infra
19:31:37 <mull> so not so much with the fedora packaging lately
19:31:57 <mull> we'll definitely be on track for an F18 feature
19:32:03 * rbergeron nods
19:32:07 <rbergeron> rrix: ping
19:32:36 <rbergeron> and you guys are still waiting on 3...... .1? is that right?
19:32:37 <mull> oh, one more thing -- I'm assuming that making gholms bump euca2ools to 2.0 for F17 is still okay?
19:32:52 <rbergeron> ummmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm
19:32:53 <mull> I just found out today that Fedora's version was still old & crusty
19:33:00 <mull> yeah... was afraid of that
19:33:11 <rbergeron> i don't know. is that like... a major part of other things getting built?
19:33:17 <rbergeron> i guess the question is "how much stuff depends on that"
19:33:38 <mull> and this is the group of people who should be able to answer that question
19:33:41 <rbergeron> ie: if making amis depends on that we'd probably want to be kind of ... cautious and testing about it
19:33:45 <rbergeron> mull: yes
19:33:47 <mull> other clouds _may_ use the tools
19:33:49 <rbergeron> mdomsch :)
19:34:01 <rbergeron> russellb: beep beep, thoughts on bumping euca2ools?
19:34:02 <mull> right, and ami creation
19:34:03 <rbergeron> dgilmore?
19:34:09 <rbergeron> ummmm
19:34:15 <rbergeron> well, i think that's it for the moment as far as who's here
19:34:42 <rbergeron> or crobinso
19:34:57 <rbergeron> mull: you may be relegated to the old fashioned "ask the mailing list" fallback :)
19:35:09 <mull> ok, that's fine
19:35:23 <mull> sorry I didn't realize until this late in the cycle
19:35:27 <rbergeron> though i like giving gholms the benefit of the doubt here since he knows what he's doing 104.8% of the time
19:35:43 <rbergeron> but i don't wnat to freak people out and break stuff either
19:35:49 <rbergeron> the program manager might freak out
19:35:51 <mull> rbergeron, also he's the upstream for euca2ools, so if there are bugs he's on the hook to fix them.  :)
19:36:09 * rbergeron inserts snarky PM comment, lol
19:36:15 <rbergeron> mull: gotcha
19:36:20 <dgilmore> rbergeron: sorry distracted
19:36:31 <rbergeron> dgilmore: does ami creation depend on euca2ools in any way?
19:36:47 <dgilmore> rbergeron: yes, its what we use to upload
19:37:05 <dgilmore> rbergeron: we cant use amazons tools as they are propietory
19:38:01 <dgilmore> the images we upload to ec2 only work with pv-grub
19:38:05 * mull should note here that he's been using euca2ools 2.0.x on F16 for about 6 months, including for uploads to ec2
19:38:20 <rbergeron> dgilmore: so apparently fedora has a super old crusty version and gholms/mull were considering updating it but it's .... late in game, but i don't think much else depends on it, is that something we could try and maybe do a test run of an ami upload with it?
19:38:23 <dgilmore> mull: we just use whats in el6
19:38:38 <dgilmore> rbergeron: sure can try
19:39:00 <mull> oh, if you use el6 for that, then it matters less for you
19:39:28 <rbergeron> mull: let's still float it on the list in case for some reason someone else is sort of dependent on it but i don't think there really is
19:39:32 <rbergeron> but CYA and all that
19:39:36 <mull> absolutely
19:39:48 <dgilmore> mull: the releng hosts we use for uploading are rhel6
19:40:02 <mull> right, makes sense
19:40:39 <rbergeron> #action gholms and/or mull to run idea by list of updating euca2ools to 2.0 in F17, make sure there are no obvious people whose hearts we would break
19:40:44 <dgilmore> mull: so im ok with you updating f17
19:41:11 <russellb> my heart won't break ... probably fine and good, just want time to make sure we can test against openstack
19:41:19 <rbergeron> #info is okay with rel-eng (dgilmore), they are using the euca2ools in el6
19:41:39 <rbergeron> #info russellb is kosher, just needs time to make sure it can be tested against openstack
19:41:50 <russellb> that's what updates-testing is for i guess :-)  just ping the ML so we know to test
19:42:07 <rbergeron> #info just please ping mailing list so they know to test
19:42:12 <rbergeron> yeah, gholms is good about that kind of thing :)
19:42:32 <rrix> rbergeron: hi
19:43:04 <rrix> laptop botting right now, but hi
19:43:19 <rbergeron> rrix: are you on this side of town?
19:43:23 <rbergeron> okay, coo.
19:43:28 <rrix> im in tempe
19:43:29 <rbergeron> mull: thanks :)
19:43:34 <rrix> no wienering :(
19:43:35 <rbergeron> rrix: dude, not cool
19:43:43 <rbergeron> it's like RIGHT HERE ON THIS SIDE OF TOWN
19:43:48 <rrix> ino :(
19:43:56 <rbergeron> #topic Open Floor
19:44:11 <rbergeron> mdomsch: i saw you wander in but didn't know if you had anything specific or if you were just randomly rejoining channel :)
19:44:26 <mdomsch> joining but highly distracted
19:44:47 <rbergeron> okeedokee then :)
19:44:47 <mdomsch> nothing to contribute today
19:45:05 <rbergeron> mdomsch: gotcha. well, HI! :)
19:45:06 <rbergeron> okay.
19:45:10 <rbergeron> anyone else have anything of interest?
19:46:25 <rbergeron> other than: there is a wienermobile like 6 miles from my house
19:46:34 <rbergeron> and i am going to go and see it
19:47:03 <rbergeron> and bring them fedora cds
19:47:10 <rbergeron> okay then!
19:47:32 * rbergeron hopes y'all have a lovely weekend, and she will see some of you next week, nd others the week after, and will be bitter about others not being able to be present. :)
19:47:40 <rrix> rbergeron: If I had wheels or wasn't working out of the Lab today, I'd totes be over there. You should get a picture taken with the mobile and a beefy miracle shirt
19:47:58 <rbergeron> rrix: i am probably gonna wear i f freedom shirt
19:47:59 <rbergeron> but maybe
19:48:03 <rbergeron> such a difficult decisoin
19:48:16 <rbergeron> i might have to base it off of "what is clean vs. what is still in suitcase from last trip"
19:49:04 <rbergeron> okay.
19:49:07 <rbergeron> BYE!
19:49:09 <rbergeron> #endmeeting