01:00:03 <inode0> #startmeeting FAmNA
01:00:03 <zodbot> Meeting started Wed Apr 11 01:00:03 2012 UTC.  The chair is inode0. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.
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01:00:06 <inode0> #meetingname FAmNA
01:00:06 <zodbot> The meeting name has been set to 'famna'
01:00:15 <inode0> #chair rbergeron nb
01:00:15 <zodbot> Current chairs: inode0 nb rbergeron
01:00:25 <inode0> #topic Roll Call
01:00:42 <chanchito> present!  :-)
01:01:14 * inode0 waits to see if he and chanchito have the opportunity to change the course of history tonight by themselves
01:01:31 <nb> kind of here
01:01:46 <chanchito> FPL?
01:02:12 <chanchito> im very excited, i read through the tickets
01:02:19 <inode0> #topic Announcements
01:02:21 <chanchito> i got off work early for a change
01:02:59 <inode0> #info F18 Name Voting is delayed a bit waiting for legal review to finish - announcement will come whenever that ends
01:03:52 <inode0> #info FAmSCo may be having a surprise election this cycle - waiting for the final decision from them regarding that now
01:04:15 * Sonar_Gal sneaks in
01:04:20 * jsmith lurks
01:04:22 <inode0> If any NA ambassadors are interested in serving on FAmSCo I would encourage you to start thinking hard about it
01:04:44 <inode0> Since you may have an opportunity in about one month to do it
01:04:46 * graphite6 is late but here now!
01:05:13 <chanchito> are we eligible?
01:05:23 <inode0> yes, all ambassadors are eligible
01:05:28 <chanchito> wow
01:06:38 <inode0> Historically FAmSCo has only had one election per year but they are planning a transition to electing ~half of the body each release and that may begin in this election
01:06:50 <chanchito> exciting
01:07:29 <inode0> #info Another release slip, so May 22 is now the projected release day
01:07:36 <chanchito> yay
01:07:50 <inode0> yay for another slip? :)
01:07:58 <VICODAN2> yay
01:08:00 <chanchito> stocking up on charcoal briquettes
01:08:15 * rbergeron pops in
01:08:17 * VICODAN2 sneaks in a few minutes late while running kde tests
01:08:20 <chanchito> ooops, i just realized what "slip" meant
01:08:25 <chanchito> no yay
01:08:37 <inode0> ok
01:08:38 <chanchito> but yay for fixing more issues before release
01:08:43 <inode0> #topic Tickets
01:09:21 <inode0> I think we are open tonight, are there any tickets from the floor that anyone would like to discuss or work on?
01:09:46 * VICODAN2 looks at adamw
01:09:46 <rbergeron> whatever hapened with ILF planning?
01:10:01 <inode0> there hasn't been any that as far as I can tell
01:10:34 <rbergeron> swag counting? :)
01:10:53 <inode0> no one had updated the tickets since I last looked
01:11:06 <inode0> hard to be enthusiastic checking since they never change :)
01:11:42 <rbergeron> alllrighty then :)
01:11:58 <adamw> VICODAN2: what?
01:12:03 <inode0> yeah, nothing new on either ticket
01:12:12 <chanchito> i did mention i have swag at home, but i had to fly the morning after the event, and i have not counted the leftovers yet, so as soon as i am home ont he 21st, i will submit a count for us in the tickets
01:12:29 <inode0> thank you
01:12:40 <chanchito> sorry about the delay
01:12:57 * rbergeron wonders if anyone's requested the event box for LFNW in a few weeks, will look into that... banners too
01:13:00 <inode0> rbergeron: so how would you like to proceed with swag?
01:13:00 <VICODAN2> adamw: just thought you'd want to be a part of this meeting
01:13:15 <adamw> i'm not an ambassador...
01:13:19 <VICODAN2> k
01:13:35 <inode0> adamw: don't say that with such glee please :)
01:13:46 <rbergeron> adamw is awesome, though
01:13:52 <adamw> *clicks heels, waltzes out of room*
01:14:14 <inode0> adamw is one of our ambassadors who just happens to not be in the ambassador group
01:14:20 <rbergeron> inode0: not sure, really. i suspect we're low on swaggy type stuff.
01:14:24 <VICODAN2> heheh
01:14:27 <inode0> lots of those sorts of ambassadors around
01:15:00 <inode0> well, we could assume there is little information because there is little swag worth anyone counting
01:15:04 <VICODAN2> i actually wanted to join ambassadors
01:15:36 <chanchito> im hoping to get approval for the artwork necessary for quoting the frisbees and mini-frisbees in time before summer
01:15:40 * inode0 wonders if a swag decision meeting agenda will bring out the troops
01:15:48 <rbergeron> inode0: i would suspect it might
01:15:57 <chanchito> sometimes, you have to issue direct orders
01:16:11 <chanchito> like we need a count of everything on or before xxxxxxxxx
01:16:14 * inode0 can only order himself around :)
01:16:33 * graphite6 responds well to hard deadlines
01:16:41 <chanchito> most people do
01:16:50 <chanchito> everyone is probably very busy all the itme
01:16:57 <graphite6> without deadlines I get easily distracted
01:17:01 <inode0> ok, I'll create a new agenda item for swag decision making
01:17:03 <rbergeron> graphite6: careful, you might wind up as a shipper or orderer of swag :)
01:17:17 <graphite6> lol
01:17:20 <inode0> budget?
01:17:31 <inode0> sort of need to know about that to make good decisions
01:17:35 <rbergeron> chanchito: re: frisbees - yeah, we're already getting into summer
01:17:37 <VICODAN2> heh
01:17:40 <rbergeron> inode0: HAHA HA HA oh god
01:17:41 <graphite6> rbergeron: I'm never careful, always jump in with both feet
01:17:53 <VICODAN2> the fact that it's raining outside tells me it's still winter
01:17:56 <rbergeron> inode0: you mean "total amount for this year' or "how much did we already spend" or what
01:18:06 <chanchito> hey FPL!  :-)  i will be all over that task soon as i hit the ground back in new england, i promise
01:18:40 <rbergeron> VICODAN2: it's 90 degrees where i am. it's totally summer :)
01:18:42 <inode0> even how much would you think is reasonable for us to build the swag fortress with
01:19:13 <VICODAN2> rbergeron: lucky you, it's been pouring all day in silicon valley.
01:19:18 <chanchito> does anyone have an opinion on reducing the types of swag?
01:19:28 <VICODAN2> rain is supposed to be over in march, that's how you know it's spring
01:19:39 <rbergeron> inode0: if we meet next week, i can pull together some suggestions based on budget
01:19:49 <inode0> chanchito: even though the new guidelines for trademark use by ambassadors are settled completely yet please do drop spot a note and ask him to add frisbees to the approved types list
01:20:05 <chanchito> ok i will after the meeting
01:20:11 * rbergeron actually got some budget info from last year and she's trying to cobble it together into something more consumable for the wiki
01:20:21 <inode0> I meant aren't settled completely yet
01:20:42 * nb suggests we consider ordering pens
01:20:44 <nb> and buttons
01:20:57 <rbergeron> inode0: I'd really have to look at "how much did stuff cost in the past" before making any srs recommendations, but yeah, to nb's point, pens, buttons are a good idea
01:21:27 <chanchito> well, i pinched and poked myself several times with the buttons, so i'm for reducing cost and eliminating buttons with pins
01:21:36 <inode0> chanchito: what are you thinking about wrt reducing the types of swag?
01:21:47 <chanchito> well items that dont move well
01:21:51 <chanchito> that stay behind
01:21:55 <rbergeron> i don't know that we need to worry about "reducing cost", unless there's some better way to apply it
01:21:58 <nb> pens move well
01:22:00 <chanchito> hardly any pens moved at my event
01:22:09 <nb> interesting
01:22:12 <chanchito> yeah
01:22:15 <inode0> honestly we drop things that aren't popular but buttons are generally popular and are very low cost
01:22:15 * rbergeron runs out of everything many times
01:22:35 <nb> chanchito, we discussed possibly/probably eliminating static clings
01:22:38 <chanchito> stickers, buttons and pens, leftover, but the shirts were ravaged by wild beasts and visigoths in seconds
01:22:40 <rbergeron> i'd rather think about it as "doing better things with money"
01:22:47 * kk4ewt tattoos and maybe balloons
01:22:48 <chanchito> i agree
01:22:57 <rbergeron> static clings were just... mehh, so hard to see in cars, etc
01:23:02 <inode0> we shouldn't need any more tattoos for years to come :)
01:23:18 * rbergeron doesn't know if we have tattoos left anywhere specifically
01:23:29 <chanchito> i have some
01:23:32 <chanchito> i remember
01:23:37 <chanchito> and tons of pens
01:23:37 <inode0> I sent about a billion of them to nb I think
01:23:38 <kk4ewt> i think there is about 200 in the event box
01:23:49 <rbergeron> in any huge quantity more than a few hundred
01:23:52 <nb> i have a lot
01:23:57 <rbergeron> okay
01:24:08 <inode0> there should be tons left, thousands
01:24:16 <kk4ewt> balloons went over like lead which surprised me
01:24:46 <nb> case badges are very popular
01:25:07 * graphite6 luvs case badges
01:25:14 <chanchito> hats, shirts will always move in high demand, but expensive
01:25:40 <inode0> we can't really afford to do what you did with shirts at most events
01:25:52 <VICODAN2> tshirts are very important to me personally
01:25:56 <chanchito> i had no idea they were supposed to be sold,
01:26:04 <inode0> and we've never had hats in the 5 years I've been alert
01:26:04 <kk4ewt> chanchito:  there not
01:26:09 <chanchito> otherwise not one would have moved without a contribution
01:26:27 <inode0> we do not sell anything ever
01:26:30 <chanchito> all the other vendors/sponsors gave theirs away
01:26:32 <rbergeron> chanchito: there are no rules about shirts needing to be sold - in fact i have never seen them being sold
01:26:36 <chanchito> so i followed suit
01:26:48 <rbergeron> chanchito: your instict was correct :)
01:26:54 <inode0> chanchito: we give them away, we just don't give that number away
01:26:56 <chanchito> thx robyn!
01:26:57 <kk4ewt> rbergeron:  EMEA in the past sold theres for cost
01:27:04 <chanchito> ok
01:27:15 <kk4ewt> when they had their nonprofit
01:27:24 <chanchito> i think we could always get at least 7-8 bucks for a shirt
01:27:28 <rbergeron> but we do typically just try to ... make sure that it's people we're having a serious conversation with. I've also seen things where "you only get a shirt if you promise to wear it the rest of the day and you put it on, right now"
01:27:39 <inode0> we don't want to sell anything at events, it is bad enough needing to sell polos to each other :)
01:27:43 <rbergeron> chanchito: the problem with selling is we don't have a way to take the money and deposit it
01:27:44 <VICODAN2> i'd pay money for a shirt over cost.
01:27:52 <VICODAN2> $10 = $7 cost + $3 donation
01:28:06 <kk4ewt> chanchito:  we really have no way to handle the money
01:28:06 <inode0> we can't take that sort of donation
01:28:09 <chanchito> right, i did do that, i managed to lure the head of the CS club at WPI and his entire group and they wore theirs
01:28:17 <VICODAN2> alright then cost + shipping
01:28:23 <chanchito> money order
01:28:28 <chanchito> made out to fedora project
01:28:32 <chanchito> mail to FPL
01:28:35 <chanchito> no?
01:28:39 <kk4ewt> no
01:28:42 <chanchito> ok sorry
01:28:47 <VICODAN2> lol
01:28:49 <chanchito> i was guessing
01:28:51 <inode0> chanchito: we can't take cash donations
01:28:59 <chanchito> ok
01:29:15 <inode0> if someone wants to pay for our booth or buy something for us we can deal with that
01:29:25 <chanchito> ok
01:29:46 <VICODAN2> i'll buy you a beer!
01:29:53 <rbergeron> right. we can have people buy stuff directly if they really want to help out, but $10, $5 type of things ... we don't have a way to deposit money.
01:29:56 <rbergeron> or accept it.
01:30:15 <VICODAN2> is beer accepted?
01:30:17 <rbergeron> and doubt we're going to solve that probem in the next 30m.
01:30:25 <rbergeron> :)
01:30:37 <kk4ewt> VICODAN2:  do you really have anything productive
01:30:45 <VICODAN2> sure
01:31:19 <rbergeron> kk4ewt: vicodan is considering appying to be an ambassador, watching the meeting.
01:31:23 <Sonar_Gal> ok move on.  We had enough playtime
01:31:30 <inode0> #action inode0 to schedule a future agenda item to make decisions about swag in NA
01:31:38 <chanchito> cool idea
01:31:58 <VICODAN2> rbergeron: thank you, im also a member of triagers.
01:32:04 <rbergeron> VICODAN2: i know it. :)
01:32:06 <VICODAN2> and looking to become a member of the packagers group.
01:32:15 <inode0> since kk4ewt is here perhaps we could pick a time for a SELF brainstorming meeting?
01:32:18 <VICODAN2> just finished kde test day
01:32:22 <VICODAN2> thanks rbergeron
01:32:27 <rbergeron> yes! please
01:33:05 <kk4ewt> sunday at 7pm edt ?
01:34:03 <inode0> rbergeron: is that workable for you?
01:34:05 * rbergeron will be in anothercityinaz on sunday but can try and pipe in via irc on phone, should be okay to attend
01:34:06 <graphite6> that would work for me
01:34:18 <rbergeron> assuming i am not driving between mountains at those moments
01:34:36 <rbergeron> should be fine :) that's 4pm here, i should be well on my way home at that point
01:36:14 <kk4ewt> i have a VE Session at 2pm so i should be home by then
01:36:20 <inode0> #action inode0 will send out an invitation to the SELF brainstorming session at 7pm EDT on Apr 15
01:36:33 <nb> i think i can be there
01:38:26 <inode0> ok, any further ticket business?
01:38:51 <inode0> hearing none ...
01:38:53 <inode0> #topic Open Floor
01:40:22 <inode0> anything?
01:40:24 <graphite6> I'm going to do a screencast on why and how to do an event page on the wiki this week, I'm wondering if some of the ambassadors would like to review it before I release it into the wild
01:40:41 <graphite6> I'll probably have it done by friday
01:40:59 <chanchito> joanne diggs project lead for the ORCA, has told me several times, that fedora would gain additional acceptance by adding an assisted installer mechanism during boot
01:41:00 * inode0 thinks he will go approve graphite6 as an ambassador right now
01:41:25 <chanchito> great idea, i had trouble with my first one
01:41:34 <chanchito> and john had to baby sit my tickets, etc
01:41:39 <chanchito> i was a mess
01:41:39 <graphite6> inode0: wait till you've seen the final product :)
01:41:51 * inode0 has already seen more than enough :)
01:42:28 <graphite6> inode0: thanks :)
01:42:56 * rbergeron doesn't have anything else, but is looking forward to graphite6's screencast :)
01:43:09 <inode0> chanchito: I'm pretty sure that is something that keeps coming up periodically
01:43:43 <chanchito> i figured as much
01:44:14 <chanchito> i wish this damn hotel would stop with the stupid frank sinatra music on the loud speakers, im trying to concentrate and the slow wi-fi is bad enough already
01:44:26 <chanchito> ay yai yai
01:44:28 <chanchito> sorry folks
01:44:32 <chanchito> rant alert
01:44:47 <inode0> graphite6: I'm sure if you send a link to the ambassadors list you'll get lots of feedback
01:44:58 <chanchito> im excited about it
01:45:42 <graphite6> inode0: Yes, I'll want feedback in case I make a misstep...I don't want the wrong information to get around :)
01:46:24 <graphite6> ok, I'm done, who's next?
01:46:38 * inode0 will wrap this up soon, a short one tonight
01:46:47 <chanchito> yeah i got zilch
01:47:00 <inode0> but first we need to thank adamw for making his guest appearance one last time
01:47:12 <chanchito> yay!  gracias!
01:47:23 <adamw> where's my appearance fee
01:47:23 <graphite6> thank you adamw
01:47:50 * nb thinks we will probably cancel the stamps.com account
01:47:52 <nb> lack of use to make it worth the 15.99/month
01:48:02 <inode0> and welcome to VICODAN2 too
01:48:05 <nb> rbergeron, i think i'll need you to call them
01:48:07 * nb thanks adamw and suggests he join ambassadors :)
01:48:21 <chanchito> welcome!
01:48:25 <rbergeron> nb: okay
01:48:33 <graphite6> Welcome, VICODAN2!
01:48:55 <inode0> +1
01:49:18 <inode0> now if we all +1 nothing people not paying attention will assume we are voting on important matters
01:49:30 <chanchito> +2
01:49:43 <graphite6> evil
01:49:46 <Sonar_Gal> lol
01:49:49 <graphite6> :)
01:50:05 <adamw> -1
01:50:17 <adamw> i strongly disagree, and furthermore, i think you're all idiots for even considering it.
01:50:17 <inode0> #endmeeting