20:01:12 <cwickert> #startmeeting EMEA Ambassadors 2012-04-05
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20:01:22 <cwickert> #meetingname EMEA Ambassadors
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20:01:33 <cwickert> #topic Roll call
20:01:37 <cwickert> .fas cwickert
20:01:37 <zodbot> cwickert: cwickert 'Christoph Wickert' <christoph.wickert@googlemail.com>
20:02:13 <gnokii> .fas gnokii
20:02:14 <zodbot> gnokii: gnokii 'Sirko Kemter' <buergermeister@karl-tux-stadt.de>
20:02:26 <sesivany> .fas eischmann
20:02:27 <zodbot> sesivany: eischmann 'Jiri Eischmann' <eischmann@redhat.com>
20:02:47 <zoltanh7211> .fas zoltanh721
20:02:48 <zodbot> zoltanh7211: zoltanh721 'Hoppár Zoltán' <hopparz@gmail.com>
20:03:30 <cwickert> affix, asrob, biertie, delhage, dmaphy, shaiton, GeroldKa, kital, killefiz, heffer, ixs and all others I forgot: EMEA ambassadors meeting
20:03:42 <shaiton> hi there
20:03:54 * shaiton Kévin Raymond
20:04:21 <asrob> cwickert, I'm not an EMEA ambassador
20:04:37 <cwickert> asrob: Peter, right?
20:04:44 <cwickert> you are no ambassador?
20:04:56 <asrob> cwickert, yeah, that's right
20:04:57 <kital> Joerg Simon (unfocused)
20:05:04 <zoltanh7211> cwickert - no he is not
20:05:21 <cwickert> ok then
20:05:53 <cwickert> asrob: but if you are around, I'd like to ask you about insight later...
20:06:08 <asrob> cwickert, ok
20:06:39 <cwickert> fu**, I gave the meeting the wrong name
20:06:50 <cwickert> it's April 4th, not 5th
20:06:51 <cwickert> anyway
20:07:03 <cwickert> the agenda for today's meeting can be found at https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Meeting:EMEA_Ambassadors_2012-04-04
20:07:07 <cwickert> #topic announcements
20:07:24 <cwickert> any announcements from anybody?
20:08:00 <cwickert> #info Budapest has withdrawn it's bid for FUDCon 2012
20:08:23 <cwickert> I'd like to take this opportunity to thank zoltanh7211 for all his work
20:08:47 <cwickert> I am sure that we will have a FUDCon in Budapest one day
20:08:50 <zoltanh7211> thx cwickert - and I'd like to thank to everybody who supported us
20:08:50 <cwickert> even if not this time
20:09:05 <cwickert> for reasons that zoltanh7211 is not to blame for
20:09:27 <cwickert> zoltanh7211 has done an excellent job and many people liked the bid
20:09:40 <shaiton> sure. thank you zoltanh7211 for your work.
20:09:50 <cwickert> ok, I suggest that we directly move to the FUDCon discussion then
20:10:01 <cwickert> everybody fine with that or are there other announcements
20:10:02 <cwickert> ?
20:10:20 <cwickert> doesn't seem so
20:10:27 <cwickert> #topic FUDCon EMEA 2012
20:10:44 <cwickert> ok, I think we all agree that Paris made it
20:10:54 <cwickert> yes, we have a bid from Zurich
20:11:10 * gnokii thaught Zurich was a joke
20:11:10 <cwickert> but none of the event owners ever showed up
20:11:19 <cwickert> and we had Zurich not too long ago
20:11:26 <cwickert> Paris seems like a good choice
20:11:39 <cwickert> shaiton: anything from your side?
20:11:58 <shaiton> Not yet,
20:12:12 <shaiton> I've asked for the hostel contract,
20:12:21 <shaiton> I'll set a meeting soon
20:12:27 <cwickert> #info After the Budapest bid was withdrawn the EMEA ambassadors recommend Paris for the 2012 EMEA FUDCon
20:12:29 <shaiton> and we will manage a schedule
20:12:45 <shaiton> (eof)
20:12:45 <cwickert> #action shaiton to call for an IRC meeting on FUDCon Paris
20:12:50 <shaiton> thanks
20:13:11 <cwickert> #link https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FUDCon:Bid_for_Paris_2012
20:13:18 <cwickert> any questions about the bid?
20:14:05 <cwickert> shaiton: can you please update the FIXME in "Electrical ratings: 230V/50Hz, (Plug type: #FIXME) " ?
20:14:27 <shaiton> Sure
20:14:30 <shaiton> ;)
20:14:43 <cwickert> ok
20:14:47 <cwickert> lets move on
20:14:56 * cwickert has a long meeting day...
20:15:21 <cwickert> #topic Ambassadors schedule
20:15:24 <cwickert> #link http://rbergero.fedorapeople.org/schedules/f-17/f-17-ambassadors-tasks.html
20:15:38 <cwickert> so we are close to F17 beta now
20:15:46 <jwb> sorry, one question on the previous topic
20:15:55 <thunderbirdtr> .fas thunderbirdtr
20:15:57 <zodbot> thunderbirdtr: thunderbirdtr 'Onuralp SEZER' <thunderbirdtr@gmail.com>
20:15:59 <cwickert> jwb: shoot
20:16:01 * thunderbirdtr sorry for late
20:16:12 <cwickert> no problem thunderbirdtr
20:16:14 <jwb> are the dates on the bid page accurate?  still mid-october?
20:16:42 <cwickert> jwb: yes
20:16:51 <jwb> ok, great.  thanks
20:17:20 <cwickert> but we will go for Saturday - Monday to only have one day overlapping with OWF
20:17:29 <cwickert> ok, back to schedule
20:17:31 <shaiton> Correct.
20:17:38 <cwickert> we now have the following things on our agenda
20:17:49 <cwickert> 1. Regional Team Meetings and Select POC for Swag/Media production
20:17:55 <cwickert> 2. Regional Teams Submit Funding Request For Swag/Media Production
20:18:06 <cwickert> in fact these should already have happened
20:18:13 <cwickert> 3. FAmSCo Coordinate Media/Swag/Poster artwork with Design team
20:18:21 <cwickert> 4. FAmSCo and Regional Teams Call for Release Events
20:18:28 <cwickert> 5. Regional Teams Plan Regional Logistics for Release Events & File Budget Requests
20:18:39 <cwickert> ok, that's pretty much it
20:18:57 <cwickert> lets dive into the individual topics, lets start with media
20:19:13 <cwickert> #topic  EMEA F17 media production
20:19:29 <cwickert> I suggest that we make sesivany point of contact for the media
20:19:46 <cwickert> because he has done an excellent job in the F16 cycle
20:19:56 <shaiton> +1
20:19:57 <sesivany> cwickert: I'm ready for that ;)
20:20:06 <shaiton> thanks sesivany
20:20:08 <cwickert> does everybody agree? any other proposals?
20:20:20 <cwickert> +1 (for the record)
20:20:25 <thunderbirdtr> +1
20:20:31 <sesivany> cwickert: I'll ask for a quote ASAP.
20:20:33 <gnokii> !
20:20:48 <jsmith> +1
20:20:50 * jreznik_n9 is here too
20:21:01 <cwickert> jsmith: you are not eligible  ;)
20:21:12 <zoltanh7211> :)
20:21:15 <cwickert> gnokii: is that on POC or not?
20:21:21 <cwickert> zoltanh7211: your vote?
20:21:25 <zoltanh7211> +1
20:21:26 <gnokii> its is yes
20:21:30 <cwickert> gnokii: ok then
20:21:56 <zoltanh7211> it"s inside in gnOKii
20:21:59 <zoltanh7211> :)
20:22:04 <gnokii> haha
20:22:11 <sesivany> !
20:22:45 <gnokii> cwickert: can u leave some money for media for producing it directly in africa for the african ambassadors, looks like the better solution as sending them media
20:22:50 <cwickert> guys, you can already start typing and there are tools like klipper or parcellite that make your clipboard have a history
20:22:55 <gnokii> eof
20:23:09 <cwickert> gnokii: so, how was that related to POC?
20:23:30 <cwickert> this is budget and we are not there yet
20:23:30 * shaiton think about Proof Of Concept
20:23:34 <gnokii> cwickert: thaught we talk about media ;)
20:23:46 <cwickert> shaiton: Point of contact
20:23:51 <shaiton> ok :)
20:24:02 <cwickert> gnokii: I had listed the individual tasks
20:24:26 <gnokii> ok ok
20:24:31 <cwickert> #agreed sesivany will act as primary point of contact for F17 media production
20:25:05 <cwickert> ok, *now* we have budget
20:25:15 <cwickert> I have requested budget at https://fedorahosted.org/famsco/ticket/280
20:26:00 <cwickert> oh, actually I have not put a number in there
20:26:12 <cwickert> I want to request USD 5000 again
20:26:18 <cwickert> as in previous years
20:26:55 <cwickert> ok, say either USD 5000 or 4000 EUR
20:26:59 <cwickert> both will work
20:27:07 <cwickert> at least if we make one big order
20:27:30 <cwickert> so lets discuss shaiton's and gnokii's suggestion first
20:27:44 <cwickert> shaiton: you wanted to have media produced in France, right?
20:28:04 <shaiton> no, I wanted to check the possibility
20:28:09 <shaiton> let's forget ;)
20:28:15 <cwickert> #link https://fedorahosted.org/famsco/ticket/280
20:28:28 <cwickert> ok, next gnokii
20:28:44 <cwickert> gnokii: what makes you think having media produced in Africa is better?
20:29:19 <gnokii> look at the media for IDLELO that will happen again
20:29:44 <affix> hey dudes
20:29:45 <cwickert> you only know half of the story
20:29:56 * shaiton don't think that Africa people have easy shipping. We (France) already have shipped to Algeria, Maroco, Tunisa… Never to only one even if we get them in touch. It's too wide.
20:30:20 <gnokii> shaiton noone talked about shipping ^^
20:30:29 <zoltanh7211> what happened cwickert?
20:30:51 <cwickert> gnokii: well, but if we produce media in Africa, we'll have to ship them to other African countries and we will face the same problems there
20:31:06 <gnokii> cwickert: that wasnt what I meant
20:31:16 <gnokii> we have not a lot of events in africa right?
20:31:34 <cwickert> not many events, but we distribute a lot of media there
20:31:46 <cwickert> in the F15 cycle it was 1000 media only for Africa
20:32:01 <cwickert> even though only ~300 of them were distributed on major events
20:32:26 <gnokii> the smaller events are not the problem
20:32:49 <cwickert> so here is what happened at IDLELO: the media were stuck in the customs for quite a while and twohot had to pay to get them
20:33:08 <cwickert> it took him a while to lower the fee to 10.000 NGN
20:33:19 <cwickert> basically all African customs is corrupt
20:33:21 <shaiton> ?
20:33:36 <zoltanh7211> jesus
20:33:38 <shaiton> even with the shipping legal sheet of paper?
20:33:39 <cwickert> and of course 10.000 NGN was only the unofficial price
20:33:45 <cwickert> shaiton: yes
20:33:51 <shaiton> too bad :(
20:34:05 <cwickert> and for the unofficial price we don't have an invoice form the customs
20:34:35 <cwickert> we had the same in F15 when we shipped media to Arthur and Twohot directly
20:34:55 <cwickert> but I think this time it was (partly) twohots fail
20:35:10 <shaiton> how many media?
20:35:11 <cwickert> IDLELO was officially backed up by the ministers
20:35:12 <sesivany> cwickert: we didn't have any when I shipped F16 in autumn, weird.
20:35:41 <cwickert> and if he had worked closer together with the IDLELO organizers and used them as shipping address, we would have had less problems
20:35:57 <gnokii> cwickert: the corruption is why I think its better to produce it for major events directly there
20:36:19 <shaiton> gnokii: could you come up with a quote? That would help
20:36:35 <cwickert> gnokii: but "major events" make only 200 media per event. you cannot really do such small batches
20:36:59 <shaiton> yes, *quality* media.
20:37:18 <cwickert> sesivany: I know I shipped a lot of media in F15. in F16 no one requested any except for IDLELO
20:38:08 <sesivany> cwickert: I sent media to Tunisia, Burkina Faso, and Nigeria in autumn. All without bigger problems.
20:38:31 <cwickert> sesivany: same here. North Africa is not a problem
20:38:44 <cwickert> long story short: I think we can customs problems at least for the big events by working together with the event organizers
20:38:48 <zoltanh7211> sesivany: do you think there could we have an distribution point?
20:39:03 <cwickert> zoltanh7211: that does NOT help
20:39:17 <cwickert> because then we have the customs problems *within* Africa
20:39:17 <gnokii> zoltanh7211: have an place inside africa wouldnt solve that problem
20:39:37 <cwickert> as soon as we have to cross a border we have a problem
20:39:39 <sesivany> zoltanh7211: sending media from let's say Nigeria to Burkina Faso wouldnt help.
20:39:47 <sesivany> zoltanh7211: the same problem with customs.
20:39:53 <zoltanh7211> damn it
20:40:11 <gnokii> zoltanh7211: TIA
20:40:15 <cwickert> and it does not make a difference if we cross the border from here or from a neighbor country
20:40:47 <cwickert> so if we can only do media within a single country, we will not make more than say 500
20:40:55 <cwickert> I doubt this will have any advantage
20:41:32 <cwickert> I remember the quotes we had for F15 produced locally were really high
20:41:37 <cwickert> even higher than the German ones
20:42:00 <cwickert> and last but not least there is the problem with the payment
20:42:13 <cwickert> transferring money to Africa is hard and expensive
20:42:36 <cwickert> my credit card was blocked and my Western Union account was suspended for a month
20:42:37 <cwickert> :)
20:42:58 <cwickert> gnokii: you still think we should do media in Africa?
20:43:23 <gnokii> I still think, we should find a working solution, next time ;)
20:43:23 <kital> not sure if this is important if you want to know how the distribution for F15 media was regionally
20:43:28 <kital> https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/User:Jsimon/community_credit_card_report#July_2011
20:43:34 <kital> ^^ listed here
20:44:39 <cwickert> ok, it was only 550 media to Africa
20:44:45 <cwickert> 220 + 330
20:44:53 <cwickert> ok, but back to the F17 cycle
20:45:06 <cwickert> everybody find with placing one big order at the Czech vendor?
20:45:13 <cwickert> s/find/dine
20:45:16 <cwickert> erm
20:45:21 <cwickert> s/dine/fine
20:45:35 * cwickert has been sitting in front of his computer too long
20:45:39 <zoltanh7211> +1
20:45:41 <cwickert> +1
20:45:44 <thunderbirdtr> +1
20:45:48 <gnokii> +1
20:45:53 <sesivany> +1 :-)
20:46:03 <shaiton> +1
20:46:10 <cwickert> #agreed Stick to the Czech vendor and place one big order there
20:46:16 <kital> +1
20:46:20 <cwickert> sesivany: will Red Hat do 1000 again?
20:46:27 <sesivany> cwickert: yes
20:46:34 <cwickert> cool
20:46:39 <cwickert> makes things cheaper for us
20:46:47 <cwickert> so we have the following options
20:46:50 <cwickert> 1. 2000 Multi Desktop DL, 1000 Installer 32, 1000 Installer 64 (same as last year)
20:46:56 <cwickert> 2. 2000 Multi Desktop DL, 1000 Installer 32, 1000 Installer 64 (same as last year)
20:47:01 <cwickert> 3. 2000 Multi Desktop DL, 2000 Installer DL
20:47:06 <cwickert> 4. 3000 Multi Desktop DL, 2000 Installer DL
20:47:24 <cwickert> I would like to have the installer as Dual Layer this time
20:47:36 <cwickert> because then we can completely forget about 32 vs. 64 bit
20:47:46 <zoltanh7211> +1
20:47:49 <cwickert> the NA ambassadors did that, too and had no problems
20:47:52 <gnokii> +1
20:47:58 <sesivany> +1
20:47:59 <shaiton> cwickert: could you count only Multi-Desk for France on the batch?
20:48:14 <shaiton> (we don't need the installer)
20:48:15 <cwickert> shaiton: ?
20:48:17 <thunderbirdtr> +1
20:48:18 <cwickert> ah
20:48:30 <shaiton> Live is prefered here.
20:48:44 <cwickert> #agreed Lets try to have the Install DVD as 32/64 bit dual layer this time
20:48:54 <cwickert> shaiton: ok, this is up to you
20:49:00 <shaiton> thanks.
20:49:05 <cwickert> but this brings us to the next question
20:49:12 <cwickert> how many?
20:49:28 <cwickert> should we to 3000 live and 2000 installer? of 4000 and 1000?
20:49:47 <cwickert> last time we had 4000
20:49:54 <cwickert> and it turned out to not be enough
20:49:59 <cwickert> so lets go back to 500
20:50:03 <cwickert> 5000 I mean
20:50:14 <cwickert> more live or more installer?
20:50:29 <shaiton> +1 for more live, as we can install with them ;)
20:50:30 <cwickert> FWIW most people want live
20:50:32 <zoltanh7211> more live
20:50:38 <sesivany> I think except Africa everyone wants more live.
20:50:43 <cwickert> ok, 4000 + 1000 then?
20:50:46 * gnokii gets always lost because u can install both
20:50:59 <cwickert> sesivany: good point
20:51:10 <shaiton> gnokii: but you don't have all packages in the live.
20:51:35 <cwickert> proposal: lets not discuss the amount in detail here now but wait for the quotes
20:51:36 <gnokii> but I have yum ^^
20:51:49 <shaiton> and presto :)
20:51:57 <cwickert> sesivany: I will update the ticket with the new numbers and then you get the quotes, ok?
20:52:08 <sesivany> cwickert: ok
20:52:25 <cwickert> sesivany: we can directly go for 5000, the only question is if we do 3000 + 2000 or 4000 + 1000
20:52:52 <cwickert> #action cwickert to update the list of desired quotes in https://fedorahosted.org/famsco/ticket/280
20:53:01 * shaiton has a phone call to handle. quite idle
20:53:01 <cwickert> #action sesivany to get quotes from the media vendor
20:53:38 <cwickert> #info Ambassadors expressed that they want 5000 media gain (compared to 4000 last time) and more Live media
20:53:44 <cwickert> more on media?
20:53:57 <zoltanh7211> Cwickert: is it possible to include the boot.fedoraproject.org too to the live discs
20:54:17 <cwickert> cwickert: don't ask me, ask infrastructure
20:54:21 <zoltanh7211> ok
20:54:23 <cwickert> erm. zoltanh7211
20:54:31 <zoltanh7211> thx eof
20:54:34 <cwickert> ok
20:54:42 <cwickert> #topic Swag and Artwork
20:54:55 <cwickert> gnokii: anything from you as a design team member?
20:55:23 <gnokii> no
20:55:43 <cwickert> #info if you want any special swag or artwork, request it NOW from the design team.
20:56:08 <cwickert> #info gnokii or vinz should act as point of contact for the ambassadors to the design team
20:56:12 <cwickert> ok, we move on
20:56:20 <cwickert> #topic Release events
20:56:35 <cwickert> #action cwickert to call for Release events
20:56:41 <cwickert> I will write a mail about this
20:56:51 <cwickert> and prepare a wiki page
20:57:20 <cwickert> #info Release Event Submission Deadline is 2012-04-20, a little more than 2 weeks from now
20:57:24 <shaiton> thanks.
20:57:44 <shaiton> there is a wiki page, written by david ramsey I  think
20:57:47 <cwickert> rbergeron: did you update the ambassadors schedule now that F17 is deleays?
20:57:53 <cwickert> delayed
20:58:20 <cwickert> I think we can even extend the deadline by one or two weeks if necessary
20:58:29 <cwickert> means we don't have enough release events
20:58:41 <cwickert> thunderbirdtr: I think you want to do one, right?
20:59:00 <sesivany> cwickert: I'm going to add two :)
20:59:14 <cwickert> thanks sesivany
20:59:22 <cwickert> I will try to make one in Berlin
20:59:34 <cwickert> I think this would be the first official Fedora release event in Germany
20:59:42 <zoltanh7211> We try it too at Bud
20:59:43 <cwickert> we have been very bad at this in the past
20:59:46 <rbergeron> cwickert: yes it is delayed
21:00:07 <shaiton> oh, once more?
21:00:09 <rbergeron> the schedule reflects the delay, i mean
21:00:13 <rbergeron> the one week delay
21:00:18 <cwickert> ok
21:00:19 <shaiton> ok.
21:00:26 <rbergeron> go/no-go is about to happen
21:00:30 <cwickert> ok
21:00:33 <shaiton> :)
21:00:37 <rbergeron> in #fedora-meeting-1 if you want to see anything else :)
21:00:45 <shaiton> thanks
21:00:49 <cwickert> shaiton: do you know where the release events page is?
21:01:01 <shaiton> https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/F17_release_events#EMEA
21:01:12 <cwickert> oh
21:01:20 * cwickert wonders if he missed something
21:01:33 <cwickert> ok guyes, add your release events
21:01:34 <shaiton> I dunno, I've seen the David Ramsey email long ago ;)
21:01:36 <cwickert> :)
21:01:52 <cwickert> ok, maybe this was even before the schedule mentioned it
21:02:00 <shaiton> probably ;)
21:02:03 * cwickert will write a 2nd mail nevertheless
21:02:46 <cwickert> ok, now to our favorite:
21:02:52 <cwickert> #topic Action items from previous meetings
21:03:03 * cwickert is afraid he did not do all his action items
21:03:24 <thunderbirdtr> !
21:03:47 <cwickert> thunderbirdtr: yes please
21:03:55 <cwickert> #undo
21:03:55 <zodbot> Removing item from minutes: <MeetBot.items.Topic object at 0x1a208350>
21:04:11 <cwickert> that was not smart
21:04:12 <cwickert> #info Release Event Submission Deadline is 2012-04-20, a little more than 2 weeks from now
21:05:52 <cwickert> thunderbirdtr: still there?
21:06:39 <cwickert> 7me will just go on
21:06:42 * cwickert will just go on
21:06:58 <cwickert> DONE cwickert to send t2hot the Fedora letterhead template
21:07:16 <cwickert> DONE cwickert to call for somebody to do Grazer Linuxtage on the mailing list
21:07:55 <cwickert> DONE shaiton to announce pinglists on ambassadors list and document it in the wiki
21:08:02 <thunderbirdtr> cwickert, yes I made my page
21:08:12 <cwickert> shaiton: did you actually write something in the wiki?
21:08:12 <thunderbirdtr> cwickert, https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Release_Party_F16_Tokat_April_13_2012
21:08:30 <cwickert> thunderbirdtr: still F16?
21:08:37 <shaiton> cwickert: for the release event? Yes.
21:08:47 <cwickert> shaiton: no, for the pinglist thing
21:08:49 <shaiton> oops
21:08:50 <thunderbirdtr_> cwickert, last one yes then I will make F17
21:09:18 <shaiton> cwickert: no, i don't know where to write that… In your template page?
21:09:20 <cwickert> thunderbirdtr: ok, you probably should not call it "release event" as F16 was released last year already
21:09:52 <cwickert> shaiton: I suggest a separate page and link it from https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Ambassadors/Meetings
21:10:04 <thunderbirdtr_> cwickert,just event ?
21:10:19 <cwickert> thunderbirdtr: whatever, lets discuss this after the meeting
21:10:30 <thunderbirdtr_> cwickert, done
21:10:31 <cwickert> zoltanh7211: What about "zoltanh721 to announce the ffm tool once it is ready"
21:10:33 * shaiton has never seen the /meeting page before :)
21:10:44 <cwickert> DONE cwickert to file a ticket to get the media budget approved
21:10:47 <cwickert> shaiton: hahaha
21:10:59 <cwickert> OBSOLETE cwickert to call for a FUDCon EMEA meeting
21:11:21 <cwickert> ok, these were the action items from 2012-03-07
21:11:34 <cwickert> very good, we managed to get mostly everything done
21:11:36 <zoltanh7211> cwickert: Freemedia template generator - it's under development by Ankur
21:11:43 <zoltanh7211> not ready yet
21:12:09 <zoltanh7211> Ankur/FranciscoD
21:12:13 <cwickert> ok, please don't forget to announce it
21:12:32 <cwickert> there were no new action items in the 2012-03-21 meeting
21:12:34 <cwickert> so we are all set
21:12:41 <cwickert> only one thing I need to do
21:12:55 <cwickert> #action cwickert to create the Linuxtag wiki page
21:12:59 <gnokii> +1
21:13:14 <cwickert> #action cwickert to write a mail about Linuxtag to the list
21:13:20 <cwickert> thunderbirdtr: we can see you ;)
21:13:26 <cwickert> ok, that's all
21:13:31 <cwickert> #topic Open Floor
21:13:44 <cwickert> one more thing
21:14:42 <cwickert> #info Trademark Guidelines are going to change soon. See https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/User:Pchestek/TMGuidelinesDraft for a draft and expect instructions from FAmSCo about the impact on swag production when time comes
21:14:59 <cwickert> this is why I want to build up a swag inventory
21:15:10 <cwickert> this means a list of all swag items we ever had
21:15:24 <cwickert> who produced them, where to get them, how expensive and all that
21:15:46 <cwickert> I will work with mizmo on this, but of course help is welcome
21:15:55 <cwickert> ok, that's all from my side
21:16:01 <cwickert> questions? comments? rants?
21:16:27 <thunderbirdtr> cwickert, comments just  I like the new TMGuidelinesDraft
21:17:09 <cwickert> thunderbirdtr: don't lough to early ;)
21:17:21 <cwickert> producing swag will become harder
21:17:30 <thunderbirdtr> cwickert, ok :)
21:17:36 <cwickert> because you cannot just ask the design team for a design and then do it
21:17:48 <cwickert> everything needs to be approved by the board first
21:17:53 <kital> annot just ask the design team for a design and then do it
21:17:55 <cwickert> at least if it is something new
21:18:02 <kital> ups sorry
21:18:05 <cwickert> :)
21:18:30 <cwickert> but we will try to minimize the impact and make swag production as easy as possible
21:18:51 <cwickert> I think we all agree that we want high quality swag and no cheap crap that makes Fedora look bad
21:19:02 <cwickert> ok, that's all from me
21:19:15 <thunderbirdtr> cwickert, hard rules :)
21:19:22 * cwickert will end the meeting in 3 minutes if there are no further questions
21:19:32 <cwickert> thunderbirdtr: yes, but legal requirements, sorry, we cannot change it
21:19:46 <cwickert> thunderbirdtr: it has something to do with prior art
21:19:49 <thunderbirdtr> cwickert, no no I love the rules no problem from my side :)
21:20:12 <gnokii> sesivany: will u bring 200 media for Linuxwochen, if zoltanh7211 didnt ask for that yet?
21:20:47 <cwickert> thunderbirdtr: if somebody copies a Fedora design and claims it is theirs, we need to be able to show that we did it first and when we did it
21:20:54 <cwickert> gnokii: we don't have that much media left
21:21:02 * kital is pretty sure that fedora bath ropes would never happened if this rules existed at this time
21:21:04 <zoltanh7211> I have here - that will be enough
21:21:08 <sesivany> gnokii: I've got about 50 media left.
21:21:09 <cwickert> and I don't think that Graz is that big
21:21:12 <thunderbirdtr> cwickert, ok I understand
21:21:21 <cwickert> gnokii: I have ~15
21:21:36 <gnokii> cwickert: graz has arround 400 visitors on that 1 day
21:21:44 <cwickert> gnokii: so?
21:21:57 <cwickert> given that ration we would need to spend 5000 media at Linuxtag
21:22:05 <cwickert> or 1500 at CLT
21:22:12 <gnokii> Graz != Linuxwochen ;)
21:22:14 <cwickert> but we only spent ~ 300
21:22:27 <cwickert> gnokii: oh
21:22:30 <cwickert> right
21:22:40 <cwickert> gnokii, sesivany: we should call for collect leftover media
21:22:50 <cwickert> I think kital has some, rsc has some and so on
21:23:01 <cwickert> who is going to write a mail about this?
21:23:14 <sesivany> cwickert: I plan to take whatever is left to Linuxwochen.
21:23:32 <cwickert> ok, I will send mine to dmaphy for Graz
21:23:42 <kital> i gave all my media to rsc
21:23:50 <zoltanh7211> Gnokii: How many meda to have you have tought on Vienna?
21:23:51 <kital> for chemnitzer
21:23:52 <cwickert> thanks kital
21:24:04 <zoltanh7211> Sesivany: what will left then I give it to you
21:24:16 <gnokii> something between 150-200
21:24:23 <cwickert> hold on
21:24:28 <cwickert> gnokii: ?
21:24:34 <gnokii> yes?
21:24:37 <cwickert> zoltanh7211: you have media?
21:24:44 <zoltanh7211> cwickert: yes
21:24:45 <cwickert> gnokii: what are these numbers?
21:24:53 <cwickert> zoltanh7211: how much?
21:25:17 <cwickert> s/much/many
21:25:23 <zoltanh7211> cca 160
21:25:28 <zoltanh7211> or more
21:25:29 <gnokii> thats enough
21:26:14 <zoltanh7211> I can bring an mixed bag to Vienna
21:26:26 <zoltanh7211> Install and live too
21:26:32 <cwickert> ok, lets bring everything to Vienna and collect them there
21:26:39 <zoltanh7211> +1
21:26:42 <cwickert> then we can easily bring the rest to Graz
21:26:45 <cwickert> and then we are done
21:26:54 <gnokii> cwickert: for what?
21:27:05 <gnokii> graz is 28th april
21:27:16 <gnokii> vienna is 2nd may
21:27:19 <cwickert> oh
21:27:25 <cwickert> I thought it was after
21:27:45 <cwickert> then we need to find a way to provide dmaphy some media
21:27:57 <cwickert> other than that, gnokii, sesivany, are you all set for Vienna?
21:27:59 <gnokii> but u can send everything for graz
21:28:11 <cwickert> gnokii: to whom?
21:28:23 <gnokii> cwickert: I will arrange that
21:28:44 <gnokii> would send them to mika
21:28:50 <cwickert> ok
21:29:19 <gnokii> and what is left, I will ask daja who will be go from vienna to graz, to bring them for me ;)
21:29:21 <cwickert> gnokii: can you then take care of this and write a mail to the list that we need to collect all remaining media or at least have an overview about who has what left?
21:29:22 <zoltanh7211> cwickert: do you know that somebody has pins?
21:29:30 <cwickert> zoltanh7211: what pins?
21:29:35 <zoltanh7211> and some stickers
21:29:41 <zoltanh7211> Fedora pins
21:29:43 <cwickert> zoltanh7211: FILE A ticket
21:29:57 <cwickert> we are not doing this for the first time, are we?
21:30:08 <cwickert> AFAIK we have no more pins left
21:30:19 <cwickert> at least there is a ticket open for budget for new pins
21:30:27 <cwickert> stickers are no problem
21:30:41 <cwickert> gnokii: yes or no?
21:30:54 <gnokii> send a mail to ambassador list?
21:30:57 <cwickert> yes
21:31:04 <gnokii> yes will doing it
21:31:33 <cwickert> #action gnokii to send a mail to the list that we need to collect all remaining media or at least have an overview what is left and where
21:32:16 <cwickert> action zoltanh7211 sesivany and gnokii to file tickets for Vien in the swag tracker if necessary
21:32:21 <cwickert> #action zoltanh7211 sesivany and gnokii to file tickets for Vien in the swag tracker if necessary
21:32:22 <gnokii> cwickert: the other question, not everything is set yet but we are on a good way, we will top CLT with talks
21:32:47 <cwickert> gnokii: approval deadline is in 2 days fro now, right?
21:33:00 <gnokii> no deadline was on sunday
21:33:10 <gnokii> the make the program now
21:33:10 <cwickert> no, that was CFP
21:33:21 <cwickert> not the deadline for the program
21:33:27 <gnokii> u mean LGM?
21:33:31 <cwickert> no
21:33:32 <gnokii> or Linuxwochen?
21:33:36 <cwickert> yes
21:34:06 <gnokii> LGM should be the program out on 1st april but few hours ago they said tomorrow
21:34:39 <gnokii> but we already got all the talks we submitted
21:35:20 <cwickert> gnokii: are you EOF?
21:35:24 <gnokii> yes
21:35:25 <cwickert> what about Linuxwochen?
21:36:04 <gnokii> as I said, CfP ended 1st April and they make the program now
21:36:22 <cwickert> you said that was LGM
21:36:26 <gnokii> no
21:36:32 <cwickert> (23:34:06) gnokii: LGM should be the program out on 1st april but few hours ago they said tomorrow
21:36:44 <gnokii> I said LGM said they will be publish the program on 1st of april
21:37:07 <cwickert> ok, when will you know whether or not a talk for Linuxwochen was approved?
21:37:25 <gnokii> in 3 or 4 days or I have to ask
21:37:42 <cwickert> they don't send you a mail?
21:37:56 <gnokii> not yet
21:38:01 <cwickert> argh
21:38:10 <cwickert> that was not my question
21:38:11 <gnokii> LinuxTag sent me a mail yes :D
21:38:15 <cwickert> noooo
21:38:22 <cwickert> ok, I am done
21:38:29 <cwickert> I don't want to spend 10 minutes on this
21:38:35 <cwickert> it is not that important
21:38:35 <gnokii> cwickert, LGM we have all talks damit!
21:38:44 <cwickert> you don't get it
21:38:49 <zoltanh7211> :D
21:38:56 <thunderbirdtr> :D
21:38:57 <gnokii> https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Linuxwochen_Wien_2012
21:39:03 <gnokii> look there all green ;)
21:39:37 <cwickert> gnokii: for the 10th time: I did NOT ask about LGM
21:39:42 <gnokii> yes
21:39:51 <cwickert> ok, last try
21:39:57 <gnokii> damit Cfp ended Sunday just give them some days ;)
21:40:27 <cwickert> when will we know which of the talks from https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Linuxwochen_Wien_2012#Talks for Linuxwochen were accepted?
21:40:35 <gnokii> <gnokii> in 3 or 4 days or I have to ask
21:41:01 <cwickert> ok, so you have to ask and they don't send out mails if you don't? I find that hard to believe
21:41:12 <gnokii> they send out mails ;)
21:41:31 <cwickert> then why didn't you say so 10 minutes ago?
21:41:42 <cwickert> and *when* do they send out mails?
21:41:45 <gnokii> I said it will be in 3 or 4 days
21:41:52 <zoltanh7211> :)
21:42:04 <gnokii> and if you wish to know it earlier I just will ask :D
21:42:09 <cwickert> I don't think this is funny
21:42:18 <cwickert> I mean, we are spending 10 minutes on BS
21:42:51 <cwickert> why don't you just say "They did not give us a deadline and if you nee to know it I will write them"?
21:43:07 <cwickert> last but not least I have one thing
21:43:22 <cwickert> plese open a text editor or use a clipboard manager
21:43:34 <cwickert> then you can already type in advance
21:43:41 <cwickert> and we don't need to wait so long
21:44:00 <cwickert> that was meant as a hint for all of you
21:44:04 <cwickert> #endmeeting