04:00:28 #startmeeting 04:00:28 Meeting started Sat Mar 31 04:00:28 2012 UTC. The chair is tuanta. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 04:00:28 Useful Commands: #action #agreed #halp #info #idea #link #topic. 04:00:32 ah 04:00:35 :D 04:00:40 #meetingname apac 04:00:40 The meeting name has been set to 'apac' 04:01:03 #link https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Meeting:APAC_Ambassadors_2012-03-31 04:01:08 #topic Ambassador Pinging 04:01:13 .fas tuanta 04:01:14 tuanta: tuanta 'Truong Anh Tuan' 04:01:19 .fas bckurera 04:01:20 bckurera: bckurera 'Buddhika Kurera' 04:01:20 .fas FranciscoD 04:01:23 FranciscoD: ankursinha 'Ankur Sinha' - franciscodubo 'Francisco Javier Dubó Ortíz' 04:01:30 .fas arifiauo 04:01:31 arifiauo: arifiauo 'Arif Tri Waluyo' 04:01:42 * FranciscoD is on his phone, so may get disconnected and stuff :/ 04:02:38 #link https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Meeting:APAC_Ambassadors_2012-03-31#Agenda 04:03:18 today agenda: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Meeting:APAC_Ambassadors_2012-03-31#Agenda 04:03:38 please feel free to add your own topics 04:04:06 #topic Review *ACTION* items from the last meeting 04:04:31 * FranciscoD is on his phone so may get disconnected 04:04:44 last meeting, we had 5 action items 04:04:56 #link https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Meeting:APAC_Ambassadors_2012-03-31#Review_.2AACTION.2A_items_from_the_last_meeting 04:05:36 I got #3 and #4 done 04:05:55 dramsey got #5 done 04:06:25 #1 and #2 should be discussed in the next topics 04:06:36 should we move on now? 04:07:05 I am alone here? :) 04:07:20 tuanta: please mve on :) 04:07:36 yes tuanta please ! 04:07:37 #chair bckurera FranciscoD arifiauo 04:07:38 Current chairs: FranciscoD arifiauo bckurera tuanta 04:08:03 #topic Things need to be discussed face to face in FUDCon KL 04:08:24 :) 04:08:36 #chair dramsey 04:08:36 Current chairs: FranciscoD arifiauo bckurera dramsey tuanta 04:08:40 .fas dramsey 04:08:45 dramsey: dramsey 'David Ramsey' 04:08:49 #link https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/User:Tuanta/FUDCon_KL_2012_BoF_discussion#Discussion_Ideas 04:09:41 ! 04:09:43 Shall we discuss about media production in this discussion? 04:09:45 I see just me, FranciscoD and KageSenshi have added ideas to the list up to now 04:09:56 please, FranciscoD 04:10:15 bckurera, sure. I think it's good to discuss here as well as f2f 04:10:27 tuanta +1 04:10:35 tuanta: "Update meeting agenda to focus on what needs to be discussed" should be added to the section on improving APAC meetings :) 04:10:47 bckurera, you should add this into the listof ideas 04:11:20 FranciscoD: you meant for f2f section at FUDCon KL? 04:11:24 tuanta I ll add some ideas soon, 04:11:52 tuanta: that too. ALl meetings should have a well designed agenda 04:11:56 #action bckurera add more ideas into things need to be discussed f2f at FUDCon KL 04:12:04 +1 FranciscoD 04:12:09 otherwise they lose focus, overshoot on the time front etc etc 04:12:17 you should add this into the list of ideas 04:12:28 my phone wont permit me to edit the wiki, I'll do it once the power's back :) 04:12:44 #action FranciscoD "Update meeting agenda to focus on what needs to be discussed" should be added to the section on improving APAC meetings 04:12:48 * bckurera hates power-cuts 04:12:49 ok, that should be an action for you to do later 04:12:57 +1 FranciscoD 04:13:08 tuanta: at the apac trac, do we have a ticket category "meeting"? 04:13:11 * FranciscoD doesnt think so 04:13:15 * tuanta too, bckurera :) 04:13:34 tuanta can get it? 04:13:38 the FAmSCo etc have this. Tickets that need discussion are tagged "meeting". Its a good method I think? 04:14:05 yeah I am marking with meeting tag 04:14:06 let me check, FranciscoD 04:14:59 are we on the right topic? 04:15:17 anyone knows who is the person who in charge of managing APAC trac? 04:15:25 :) 04:15:38 susmit harish and i m there too :) 04:15:49 bckurera, sure, we are in right topic 04:15:57 ohh sorry then 04:16:07 bckurera: can you answer FranciscoD's question 04:16:08 #link https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Meeting:APAC_Ambassadors_2012-04-07#Review_APAC_trac_tickets 04:16:20 I have added tickets that need attention 04:16:38 #link https://fedorahosted.org/fedora-apac/ticket/21 04:16:49 bckurera, we are in the topic to discuss about ideas we will discuss in FUDCon KL 04:16:51 anyone from Bangladesh, we can discuss their request 04:17:02 later, bckurera :) 04:17:12 bckurera: ah, clarified :) 04:17:28 ohhh got it wrong, no idea on trac about FUDcon discussion. 04:17:40 #link https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/User:Tuanta/FUDCon_KL_2012_BoF_discussion#Discussion_Ideas 04:17:46 we should add more ideas here 04:18:07 #action FranciscoD Add "Trac tickets to be discussed to be tagged 'meeting'" to improve APAC meetings 04:18:18 +1 FranciscoD 04:18:19 tuanta: we could do a small APAC specific survey? 04:18:25 Ask folks what issues they have? 04:18:35 +1 for survey 04:18:39 and add ideas relative to them? 04:18:40 FranciscoD, which kind of survey? 04:19:10 tuanta: i havent thought of it yet. But something that collects feedback from APAC ambassadors 04:19:31 FranciscoD, yes, I think your idea is cool. 04:19:39 8-) 04:19:46 FranciscoD , you can design and go for it, like the idea 04:19:47 that would help us to have more ideas to discuss f2f in FUDCon 04:19:47 Feedback is good and ideas for the future are needed. 04:19:55 Er, the survey will be on google docs. I hope folks dont mind? 04:20:03 (we dont have survey infra set up yet) 04:20:10 +1 for Google Docs 04:20:17 FranciscoD , GSoC project idea ;) 04:20:30 #action FranciscoD design a survey to get feedback from APAC ambassadors 04:20:47 bckurera: aye, hope you folks get someone to do it :) 04:21:00 !? 04:21:03 FranciscoD, after you got the survey design, we can comment on it 04:21:11 sure 04:21:20 dramsey, please 04:21:22 Anyone know who is the person who in charge of managing India trac? 04:21:36 susmit, I think :) 04:21:39 i think susmit would be it 04:21:57 he set it up, dont think anyone in India knows how to do that other than him ;) 04:21:59 yes, susmit is ! 04:22:16 Were the India Trac issues resolved in a timely manner or issues / problems? 04:22:27 +1 FranciscoD 04:22:35 Susmit in PhD program now. 04:22:37 dramsey: you mean the migration? Nothing seems to have happened about it. 04:22:51 FranciscoD what about the FAmSCo ticket, updates? 04:23:01 dramsey: yes. He has very little time to spare understandably 04:23:02 Did the prior India Trac have any problems / issues? 04:23:08 +1 FranciscoD 04:23:11 bckurera: no update since the last one 04:23:26 zerng07 welcome to the board ! 04:23:39 dramsey: the issue that I see is 04:23:42 Hi! everyone. :) 04:23:52 I see we have got a lot of things need to be discussed f2f in FUDCon KL 04:24:00 that's great opportunity for us 04:24:02 - having a separate india trac causes too much modularity. The rest of the community doesnt get to know what India's even upto 04:24:26 tuanta: dramsey bckurera : for example, did any of you know that mbuf was going to an event? Until he sent the event report to the list? 04:24:29 I just want us not to miss any important things there 04:24:39 tuanta: ++ 04:24:48 #chair zergn07 04:24:48 Current chairs: FranciscoD arifiauo bckurera dramsey tuanta zergn07 04:24:59 #action FranciscoD add "India trac to be shut down etc" to list of f2f discussion ideas 04:25:06 if it isnt resolved by then, we can discuss it 04:25:24 so, it's important for us to manage the list of ideas: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/User:Tuanta/FUDCon_KL_2012_BoF_discussion#Discussion_Ideas 04:25:32 aye 04:25:32 don't miss it :) 04:25:38 FranciscoD FAms need to request support !! 04:25:54 bckurera: he did apparently, on the -india trac 04:25:58 so no one got to know! 04:26:16 FranciscoD, actually, I don't know 04:26:22 * FranciscoD doesnt think harish knows about the funding request either 04:26:33 FranciscoD , i see your point. fedora-apac trac can be used effectively now ! 04:26:39 yes 04:26:49 we should push for one integrated trac :) 04:26:50 I hope that too, bckurera 04:26:56 #chair kaio_ph 04:26:56 Current chairs: FranciscoD arifiauo bckurera dramsey kaio_ph tuanta zergn07 04:27:15 should we move to the next topic? 04:27:21 however any request in apac trac will be taken care of, for sure ! 04:27:50 shall we move folks? 04:27:51 #info it's important for us to manage the list of ideas to be discussed f2f at FUDCon KL: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/User:Tuanta/FUDCon_KL_2012_BoF_discussion#Discussion_Ideas 04:28:42 bckurera, do you think that should be an action? 04:28:59 tuanta +1 04:29:08 action item for all FAms 04:29:25 I meant you can manage a session at FUDCon KL to discuss how to use APAC trac more effective 04:29:41 aye 04:29:55 !? 04:30:08 tuanta we can get harish's support as well ! 04:30:16 dramsey please! 04:30:17 I requested a 2-hour session for us to discuss things in https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/User:Tuanta/FUDCon_KL_2012_BoF_discussion#Discussion_Ideas 04:30:19 * harish back at keyboard 04:30:22 Would this information be useful for the Fedora Ambassadors India and China Mailing lists, too? 04:30:25 Hi Harish 04:30:28 hi 04:30:28 #chair harish 04:30:28 Current chairs: FranciscoD arifiauo bckurera dramsey harish kaio_ph tuanta zergn07 04:30:31 but we can have more sessions for larger things 04:30:46 +1 dramsey 04:30:52 I think so too, dramsey 04:31:03 thank you. 04:31:08 FranciscoD, what's the question about funding? 04:31:22 I would like to have one APAC, all of us, India, China, etc. 04:31:35 harish: mbuf opened a funding request for his trip to kolkata I think. Have you been notified? :) 04:31:36 tuanta +1 04:31:49 ? 04:32:05 Shouldnt all ambassadors be subscribed to the ambassadors list? 04:32:07 FranciscoD, has it been approved? 04:32:10 harish: we are discussing in how to use APAC Trac more effective 04:32:13 Hi 04:32:17 ok tuanta 04:32:21 irrespective of their own regional mailing lists? 04:32:23 Oh I went to wrong channel. 04:32:37 * kaio_ph is at Italian cafe. Hehe 04:32:44 harish: well, i saw his even report. So he's already gone to the event. Arent you supposed to approve the reimbursement before the event? 04:33:06 (you are the reimbursement in-charge for all of APAC, including India) 04:33:08 :) 04:33:21 FranciscoD, i depend on all of you to approve first. 04:33:24 yes, that's important point 04:33:49 +1 04:33:49 harish, great. that's the new way we proposed 04:33:51 will ask mbuf to open up a ticket on the right place, apac-trac 04:34:08 * harish APAC has always included India. it was an unfortunate historical quirk that we ended with India and APAC as separate. Need to rationalize. 04:34:21 +1 04:34:23 then discuss it against the event report 04:34:39 we can review tickets in this bi-weekly meeting, approve/reject each of them 04:34:53 #action bckurera , ask mbuf to request the funding at apac trac 04:35:07 i guess the key message here is that if something is to be funded (travel, swag etc), it has to be proposed and approved. else no reimbursement. 04:35:20 ok, lets move on now 04:35:27 +1 harish 04:35:48 +1 04:35:49 tuanta: bckurera dramsey : I suggest we request *all* our ambassadors join the ambassadors mailing list, other than the regional mailing lists. 04:35:50 thanks harish for your note ! 04:35:55 +1 hairsh 04:36:17 +1 04:36:18 FranciscoD, my thoughts indeed agree. 04:36:22 why not, FranciscoD_ 04:36:25 FranciscoD_ I am amazed, every FAm MUST join with the main ML, ambassador@lists.fp.o 04:36:43 I also think, that's already done 04:36:51 #chair Francis1D_ 04:36:51 Current chairs: Francis1D_ FranciscoD arifiauo bckurera dramsey harish kaio_ph tuanta zergn07 04:36:53 If they are not that is a serious situation. 04:36:59 Subscribing mailing list is mandatory to be fam. 04:37:00 * Francisc1D_ :( 04:37:08 #chair Francisc1D_ 04:37:08 Current chairs: Francis1D_ Francisc1D_ FranciscoD arifiauo bckurera dramsey harish kaio_ph tuanta zergn07 04:37:08 :) 04:37:17 :O 04:37:29 do I get 3 votes ;) ? 04:37:34 one for each nick? :P 04:37:36 O:-) 04:37:38 ove now? 04:37:44 tuanta: yes 04:37:45 s/ove/move 04:37:45 Move forward? 04:37:52 #topic APAC Events and Status of F17 Release Parties (dramsey) 04:38:04 ! 04:38:09 harish: sorry for the bad connection. mbufs ticket was never brought up here unfortunately. 04:38:24 #link https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/F17_release_events 04:38:32 the first news: F17 GA would be delayed for a week 04:38:49 tuanta: harish wishes to add something :) 04:38:49 the release date now is 15th of May 04:38:59 Francisc1D_ : that is because nobody care about the india -trac, am I right? 04:39:03 please, harish 04:39:13 i still have f16 CDs (and some older ones as well) 04:39:25 the older ones can be collector items :-) 04:39:26 bckurera: well, folks do "care", but none of them are comm arch ;) 04:39:38 harish: would you be at KL? :) 04:39:39 perhaps i can bring them to KL 04:39:42 yes 04:39:44 ++ :) 04:39:55 +1 harish 04:39:59 it's good to keep these, specially when the trademark defence time comes 04:40:00 it's a 3hr drive from home. 04:40:07 FranciscoD there was no proper procedure, but now we have 04:40:17 * FranciscoD remebers digging up all kinds of fedora things for the trademark defence 04:40:28 indeed 04:40:30 bckurera: yes, and I'm trying to get the India folks to follow it. 04:40:34 every request should be discussed and approved, so lets ask mbuf to bring it to the apac trac, will support him 04:40:34 +1 Harish 04:40:49 bckurera: sure :) 04:40:56 bckurera +1 04:41:09 dramsey, your topic now 04:41:24 thanks, I ll try to spread the word of using trac as much as possible, event at FUDcon ! 04:41:34 #action FranciscoD email India list requesting them to open all funding requests at the apac trac since they need to be discussed and approved at -apac meetings 04:41:37 Plan for F17 and remember the team tasks 04:41:43 #link http://rbergero.fedorapeople.org/schedules/f-17/f-17-ambassadors-tasks.html 04:41:52 idea for encouraging use of trac 04:41:57 +1 04:42:05 +1 04:42:09 +1 04:42:12 would someone be able to do a fun video about why you need to use trac for everything? 04:42:28 watching a video would help reinforce apart from reading the rules. 04:42:36 +1 04:42:38 harish I love this idea, wanna give a try ! 04:42:43 cool, harish 04:42:48 +1 04:42:54 ! 04:43:01 please, LSD 04:43:05 #chair arifiauo 04:43:05 Current chairs: Francis1D_ Francisc1D_ FranciscoD arifiauo bckurera dramsey harish kaio_ph tuanta zergn07 04:43:06 we could do that at fudcon kl 04:43:19 could you please introduce yourself a little? 04:43:24 LSD 04:43:35 harish: yes 04:43:41 Im Lali, from Sri Lanka 04:43:49 let me introduce LSD , not yet approved as FAm but interested in, so i asked to be in the meeting ! 04:43:52 we are collecting the ideas here: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/User:Tuanta/FUDCon_KL_2012_BoF_discussion#Discussion_Ideas 04:43:53 :D 04:44:40 welcome on board, LSD 04:44:46 :) 04:44:50 #chair LSD 04:44:50 Current chairs: Francis1D_ Francisc1D_ FranciscoD LSD arifiauo bckurera dramsey harish kaio_ph tuanta zergn07 04:44:57 Thanks 04:45:15 Welcome! 04:45:24 Welcome to the APAC Team, here us roar! 04:45:28 dramsey, regards to the F17 events page, I don't see any events outside APAC :) 04:45:30 aye. 04:45:30 * FranciscoD intends to do lots of vides at KL 04:45:48 tuanta, good note. We did a lot for F16 04:45:53 you meant "videos" FranciscoD? 04:45:55 we are planning and that is important 04:45:57 * bckurera , LSD getting a nice welcome ! 04:46:04 * harish i have a flip video and would be happy to use that to create videos. 04:46:20 +1 04:46:21 * FranciscoD is in tears :( 04:46:21 #chair FranciscoD 04:46:22 Current chairs: Francis1D_ Francisc1D_ FranciscoD LSD arifiauo bckurera dramsey harish kaio_ph tuanta zergn07 04:46:24 so, dramsey, you should have more announcements onto the ambassadors list 04:46:36 Sounds good Tuan 04:46:51 for ppl to know that page 04:47:01 tuanta dramsey like announcement ninja :) 04:47:06 XD 04:47:53 #action dramsey manage people to add more F17 release party wikis 04:47:57 Looks at clock, 47 minutes into our meeting. 04:47:59 +1 04:48:19 lets move to the next topic if we're good here :) 04:48:23 tuanta shall we move then? 04:48:30 ok 04:48:32 +1 04:48:33 #topic Review APAC trac tickets 04:48:53 there are 2 tickets to review today, rights? 04:48:57 topic I waited :) 04:49:00 #link https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Meeting:APAC_Ambassadors_2012-04-07#Review_APAC_trac_tickets 04:49:00 yup 04:49:13 s/rights/right 04:49:13 ticket #21 04:49:16 #link https://fedorahosted.org/fedora-apac/ticket/21 04:49:31 any one from Bangladesh community? 04:49:55 well, people opening tickets should be told to attend the meetings 04:50:04 we cant discuss tickets otherwise 04:50:16 I have updated and email this to the reporter. 04:50:35 how many ppl does he expect? 04:50:36 bckurera: if its urgent, please ask questions in the ticket and ask the reporter to reply ASAP 04:50:46 oops 04:50:50 * FranciscoD guesses powercut ;) 04:50:51 Oh no 04:50:58 :'( 04:51:06 lol, FranciscoD 04:51:18 its funny how all these issues only come up when I have meetings to attend XD 04:51:37 otherwise I have power all day! :O 04:51:40 yes, FranciscoD, people opening tickets should be told to attend the meetings 04:51:49 * FranciscoD waits for bckurera to return 04:51:57 so we should ask them to do that when we see a ticket opened 04:52:04 yes. 04:52:11 and then tag it as "meeting" :) 04:52:12 yay! 04:52:46 the next ticket is about leftovers from FUDCon Pune 04:52:58 sorry disconnected 04:53:06 #chair bckurera 04:53:06 Current chairs: Francis1D_ Francisc1D_ FranciscoD LSD arifiauo bckurera dramsey harish kaio_ph tuanta zergn07 04:53:09 FranciscoD : any update on this? 04:53:16 thanks dramsey ! 04:53:31 bckurera: i recieved a reply. They have tshirts and banners, both themed on Pune 04:53:36 so I've requested the t shirts 04:53:43 I'm sure folks will be happy to use them 04:53:51 the banners cant be reused IMO :/ 04:53:55 +1 04:54:03 +! 04:54:06 I'll try getting them to KL :) 04:54:12 s/+!/+1 04:54:14 and we can have some Pune in KL ;) 04:54:26 any ticket left? 04:54:32 For info I am bringing some FAm polo to KL too :) 04:54:36 no thats all 04:54:43 we can move 04:54:58 +1 for shirts 04:55:16 open floor, 6 minutes :D 04:55:37 * bckurera like today meeting 04:55:56 #topic OpenFloor 04:56:00 :) 04:56:21 Well done APAC Team! 04:56:48 once more, please list all things need to be discussed f2f at FUDCon here: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/User:Tuanta/FUDCon_KL_2012_BoF_discussion#Discussion_Ideas 04:57:05 I do not want us to miss any important things 04:57:27 since FUDCon KL should be the great chance for us to meet eachother f2f 04:57:29 #action bckurera to work on video to elaborate the importance of apac-trac 04:57:43 +1 bckurera 04:58:28 should we move the wiki page to be more relative with FUDCon KL? 04:58:48 e.g. https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FUDCon:KualaLumpur_2012/FUDCon_KL_2012_BoF_discussion#Discussion_Ideas 04:59:11 or https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FUDCon:KualaLumpur_2012/BoF_discussion#Discussion_Ideas 04:59:23 8-):-[Looks forward bckurera and others presentations - video!:-[8-) 04:59:36 :) 04:59:47 #chair FranciscoD_ 04:59:47 Current chairs: Francis1D_ Francisc1D_ FranciscoD FranciscoD_ LSD arifiauo bckurera dramsey harish kaio_ph tuanta zergn07 04:59:57 my network is the best today :) 05:00:01 XD 05:00:04 there are lot of FranciscoD s today :) 05:00:06 dramsey: sorry, so many nicks :P 05:00:13 again, should we move the wiki page to be more relative with FUDCon KL? 05:00:18 tuanta: power is back, right when the meeting is about to finish 05:00:20 :-[ 05:00:21 e.g. https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FUDCon:KualaLumpur_2012/BoF_discussion#Discussion_Ideas 05:00:33 tuanta: ++ 05:00:38 I think that's a good idea 05:00:56 we could also tag it [[Category:Ambassadors APAC]] 05:01:03 or similar (if we have a category) 05:01:20 #action move the wiki page to be more relative with FUDCon KL: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FUDCon:KualaLumpur_2012/BoF_discussion and tag it [[Category:Ambassadors APAC]] 05:01:30 ok, anything else 05:01:31 ? 05:01:37 that's all from me today 05:01:41 we are in time 05:01:45 we are APAC 05:01:50 everyone, please get some food from home if permitted to KL :P 05:01:55 :-D 05:02:02 Fedora Cake 05:02:04 +1 FranciscoD 05:02:06 :) 05:02:09 thanks for attending all FAms 05:02:12 dramsey: cake ++ 05:02:16 Thianks of the azneita blue photo! 05:02:19 :p 05:02:22 we'll have a release party 05:02:25 and tuanta for chairing ! 05:02:25 Vietnamese foods from me, Indian foods from FranciscoD :) 05:02:26 has that been floated already? 05:02:32 etc. 05:02:33 As Heherson says, "It is all about the food!" 05:02:39 tuanta: itll be my cooking, so dont have hopes ;) 05:02:51 ah, i havent heard about FUDPub yet 05:02:57 anyone know anything about it? :) 05:02:58 I love to try Japanese real taste :) 05:03:06