22:02:19 <cwickert> #startmeeting FAmSCo 2012-03-28 22:02:19 <zodbot> Meeting started Wed Mar 28 22:02:19 2012 UTC. The chair is cwickert. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 22:02:19 <zodbot> Useful Commands: #action #agreed #halp #info #idea #link #topic. 22:02:26 <cwickert> #meetingname famsco 22:02:26 <zodbot> The meeting name has been set to 'famsco' 22:02:41 <cwickert> #chair kaio herlo zoltanh7211 22:02:41 <zodbot> Current chairs: cwickert herlo kaio zoltanh7211 22:02:59 <cwickert> more famsco members around? 22:03:20 <igorps> yep! 22:03:55 <kaio> hi 22:04:07 <cwickert> #chair igorps 22:04:07 <zodbot> Current chairs: cwickert herlo igorps kaio zoltanh7211 22:04:24 <cwickert> that is five and we have a quorum 22:04:32 * herlo is here 22:04:43 <cwickert> zoltanh7211: what about you? 22:04:58 <zoltanh7211> here 22:05:14 <cwickert> ok, then lets start 22:05:41 <cwickert> the agenda for todays meeting can be found at https://fedorahosted.org/famsco/report/9 22:05:47 <cwickert> lets start with the budget tickets 22:05:54 <cwickert> they are urgent and should be quick 22:06:04 <cwickert> so the order we use is https://fedorahosted.org/famsco/report/9?sort=component&asc=1&page=1 22:06:22 <cwickert> #opic Reimbursment request for FSF-OSSC event (12.11.2011) 22:06:31 <cwickert> #topic Reimbursment request for FSF-OSSC event (12.11.2011) 22:06:40 <cwickert> .fasco 235 22:06:49 <herlo> .famsco 235 22:06:49 <zodbot> https://fedorahosted.org/famsco/ticket/235 22:08:05 <herlo> seems liek we don't need to do anything? 22:08:12 <cwickert> hold on 22:08:19 <cwickert> page doesn't load for me 22:08:35 <herlo> okay 22:09:36 <zoltanh7211> I have filled the ticket, but lost my report, all I have is pictures about the event on my external drive 22:09:50 <cwickert> zoltanh7211: why did you attach the same receipt twice? 22:10:07 <cwickert> there are three attachments 22:10:15 <cwickert> and the first and the third are the same 22:10:18 <cwickert> or am I mistaken? 22:10:33 <herlo> #chair yn1v 22:10:33 <zodbot> Current chairs: cwickert herlo igorps kaio yn1v zoltanh7211 22:11:00 <zoltanh7211> Let me check 22:11:48 <cwickert> zoltanh7211: ok, my fault 22:11:56 <cwickert> browser got confused 22:12:02 <zoltanh7211> No, it's your fault 22:12:16 <zoltanh7211> All three are different 22:12:27 <cwickert> ok, but how does the math go? 22:12:47 <cwickert> usually when you file a ticket 22:13:00 <cwickert> you add a comment with a small calculation 22:13:18 <cwickert> with all the numbers as they are on the tickets 22:13:22 <cwickert> erm, attachments 22:13:34 <cwickert> and the last step is to convert this to EUR or USD 22:13:58 <zoltanh7211> ok - I will do it 22:14:11 <cwickert> #action zoltanh7211 to add numbers in ticket #235 22:14:29 <cwickert> everybody fine with approving this? 22:14:33 <cwickert> +1 22:14:50 <herlo> +1 22:14:54 <igorps> +1 22:15:03 <yn1v> +1 22:15:07 <cwickert> zoltanh7211: when you are done mark it "READ FOR PAYMENT" in the title 22:15:17 <zoltanh7211> ok +1 22:15:17 <cwickert> #agreed #235 is approved 22:15:33 <cwickert> #topic Fedora disks for first half of 2012 (Chile and Argentina) 22:15:41 <cwickert> .famsco 263 22:15:41 <zodbot> https://fedorahosted.org/famsco/ticket/263 22:16:03 <cwickert> no news for 2 weeks 22:16:11 <cwickert> yn1v: was this discussed in the LATAM meeting? 22:16:35 <yn1v> I wasn't able to attend latam meeting because of my work shift 22:16:49 <igorps> I can ping Antonio about this 22:16:53 <cwickert> please do 22:16:59 <igorps> ok 22:17:07 <cwickert> igorps: did you attend the last meeting? 22:17:12 <cwickert> LATAM I mean 22:17:23 <igorps> Unfortunately not either 22:17:58 <cwickert> #action igorps to make sure #263 gets discussed in the LATAM meeting 22:18:09 <cwickert> #undo 22:18:09 <zodbot> Removing item from minutes: <MeetBot.items.Action object at 0x25e0e850> 22:18:20 <cwickert> #action igorps to make sure #263 gets discussed in the LATAM meeting and get back to Antonio 22:18:41 <yn1v> probably best to ping Luis Bazan to take this into the meeting 22:18:48 <yn1v> latam meeting 22:19:05 <cwickert> yn1v: I don't care, just make sure it gets discussed 22:19:24 <igorps> I would like to ping Antonio to know if he's still interested 22:19:39 <igorps> I mean, F17 release is really near 22:19:40 <cwickert> how about pinging him in the ticket and adding Luis as CC? 22:19:51 <cwickert> igorps: agreed 22:20:00 <yn1v> yes, better 22:20:00 <cwickert> #topic Sponsorship request for Linuxwochen Vienna 2012 and LGM (2-6) 22:20:01 <igorps> cwickert, good idea 22:20:10 <cwickert> .famsco 267 22:20:10 <zodbot> https://fedorahosted.org/famsco/ticket/267 22:20:24 <cwickert> zoltanh7211: this looks like it needs more input form you 22:21:17 <zoltanh7211> We currently trying to find the appartment, and we would like to book by fedora as last year 22:21:22 <herlo> cwickert: seems like some of these could be removed from the meeting while we wait for documentation. 22:21:34 <cwickert> herlo: agreed 22:21:44 <zoltanh7211> I'll update them as we have the costs 22:21:47 <cwickert> zoltanh7211: last year I booked and I paid from my money 22:21:53 <zoltanh7211> oh 22:21:58 <cwickert> what is blocking you? 22:22:12 <zoltanh7211> money 22:22:15 <cwickert> AFAIK you have sorted out the apartment thing already 22:22:35 <cwickert> well, if you don't give us any real numbers, then it's hard to do something 22:22:51 <zoltanh7211> I did it 22:22:59 <zoltanh7211> I have modified the ticket 22:23:08 <zoltanh7211> and added the estimated amount 22:23:22 <cwickert> I don't see anything after my latest edit 22:23:37 <cwickert> please try to understand 22:23:45 <cwickert> we cannot just give you money 22:23:59 <herlo> nor do I 22:24:13 <herlo> zoltanh7211: which comment is the estimate in on that ticket? 22:24:33 <zoltanh7211> It seems we edited together the ticket 22:24:40 <cwickert> zoltanh7211: either you tell us what to book or you need to book yourself, pay for it and come up with a receipt sp we can reimburse you 22:24:43 <zoltanh7211> and my comment is earlier 22:24:45 <herlo> I think I see a number 440 EUR? 22:24:48 <zoltanh7211> yes 22:25:10 <cwickert> can you at least give us a link or anything? 22:25:25 <herlo> cwickert: there is also a link in that same comment 22:25:36 <zoltanh7211> https://fedorahosted.org/famsco/ticket/267#comment:4 22:25:45 <herlo> https://fedorahosted.org/famsco/ticket/267#comment:3 22:26:18 <cwickert> zoltanh7211: can you pay or not? 22:26:24 <herlo> zoltanh7211: how many people will be staying? 22:26:29 <zoltanh7211> I can't sorry 22:26:29 <cwickert> 4 22:26:44 <cwickert> then you need to tell us to book 22:26:51 <cwickert> or at least provide the details 22:26:59 <cwickert> but kital cannot just give you 400 EUR 22:27:29 <zoltanh7211> jreznik, sesivany, me, gergely 22:27:44 <cwickert> so, how do we move on here? 22:27:48 <herlo> also, is that the full cost? If you want travel or other things, like train passes, you may need to pay and get reimbursed 22:28:33 <herlo> cwickert: I think we can 22:28:41 <igorps> zoltanh7211, can't you get at least a document, like a pre-order? 22:28:41 <cwickert> how? 22:29:13 <herlo> cwickert: oh, I misread your previous statement 22:29:17 <zoltanh7211> I will update it soon as I received the appartment owner response 22:29:35 <zoltanh7211> We still awaiting the awailability 22:29:36 <cwickert> zoltanh7211: it says when you book you need to at least pay 30%. will you be able to do this? 22:30:09 <cwickert> can we please sort out these kind of things *before* filing a ticket? 22:30:26 <herlo> or at least before we bring them to a meeting 22:30:30 <zoltanh7211> yes, I'll do 22:30:51 <cwickert> zoltanh7211: can you book and pay the 30%, yes or no? 22:31:04 <zoltanh7211> yes - hopefully 22:31:13 <cwickert> I want a clear statement 22:31:27 <cwickert> if it causes you problems I can do it 22:31:34 <cwickert> but I need a clear statement from you 22:31:37 <zoltanh7211> not sure 22:31:56 <cwickert> do you want me to book, yes or no? 22:32:43 <zoltanh7211> please wait till I receive the owner response 22:33:01 <zoltanh7211> then yes 22:33:03 <cwickert> yes, but given the owner's response... 22:33:53 <cwickert> zoltanh7211: when do you think you will get it? 22:35:08 <zoltanh7211> Possibly tomorrow, or aftertomorrow 22:35:21 <cwickert> when did you ask? 22:35:26 <zoltanh7211> tonight 22:35:31 <cwickert> great :) 22:35:41 <cwickert> next time, please sort things out earlier 22:35:51 <zoltanh7211> my fault 22:36:06 <cwickert> #action zoltanh7211 to provide cwickert all details for booking the apartment in Vienna. that is names and dates etc. 22:36:35 <cwickert> zoltanh7211: it's not about who's fault it is, it's about getting shit done 22:36:52 <cwickert> no need to apologize, just go ahead and do stuff 22:37:03 <cwickert> #topic Sponsorship for dmaphy for Grazer LinuxTage 2012 22:37:11 <cwickert> .famsco 274 22:37:11 <zodbot> https://fedorahosted.org/famsco/ticket/274 22:37:27 <cwickert> as we have no alternative, I think we should approve this one 22:37:40 <cwickert> I still think it is bad to send somebody from Hamburg to Graz 22:37:57 <cwickert> but I was not able to find an Austrian or Swiss ambassador 22:38:02 <cwickert> even I mailed all of them 22:38:13 <cwickert> if Dominic wants to do it, so be it 22:38:36 <cwickert> and compared to last year, where Gerold did it, it's still cheap 22:38:40 <cwickert> only half of the costs 22:38:46 <cwickert> opinions? 22:39:17 <herlo> I am fine with it 22:39:23 <yn1v> me too 22:39:28 <zoltanh7211> me too 22:39:32 <igorps> +1 22:39:35 <cwickert> +1 22:39:36 <kaio> +1 22:40:16 <cwickert> #agreed: #274 is approved. maximum amount we are willing to spend is 500 EUR 22:40:28 <cwickert> #topic Transit flight from KL to Hong Kong to start Fedora contacts with HKLUG. 22:40:33 <cwickert> .famsco 277 22:40:33 <zodbot> https://fedorahosted.org/famsco/ticket/277 22:40:46 <cwickert> kaio: this is something that needs input from you I think 22:40:55 <cwickert> is there a wiki page in the meantime? 22:41:10 <kaio> cwickert: from me or from the organiser? 22:41:20 <cwickert> kaio: from you 22:41:28 <cwickert> in the fedora wiki 22:41:36 <kaio> I don't have it because I thought you want organiser's page. 22:41:42 <cwickert> no 22:41:47 <kaio> I can create one today. 22:41:48 <cwickert> you are requesting budget from Fedora 22:41:51 <kaio> yes 22:42:03 <cwickert> that's why we need this event in our wiki 22:42:12 <herlo> kaio: is that $200US? 22:42:19 <cwickert> #action kaio to create a wiki page for the event of the HKLUG 22:42:31 * herlo agrees with cwickert 22:42:32 <kaio> herlo: $2xx now, was $1xx in promo period. 22:42:50 <herlo> kaio: mostly curious about whether it was in US dollars, but that answers it I think 22:43:15 <kaio> okay 22:43:30 <cwickert> kaio: I still don't understand the route and how the costs are devided 22:43:52 <cwickert> normally you would go from where to KL? 22:44:06 <kaio> KL is a mid point. 22:44:34 <herlo> kaio: ahh, I see the price increase in USD. 22:44:51 <kaio> I go to KL (as airasia based in KL), then transit to HK immediately. And return to KL on THU. 22:44:54 <cwickert> kaio: I thought the mid point is HK? 22:44:54 <herlo> cwickert: seems like the layover is in KL to / from brisbane and hong kong 22:45:06 <kaio> prices are same but promo prices are all gone. 22:45:15 <herlo> cwickert: he's going to HK to give a presentation, from what I read 22:45:35 <kaio> presentation and get in touch with ambassadors in HK 22:45:53 <herlo> indeed 22:46:29 <kaio> as there had been no FAD happened there, I thought I am not creating an event wiki page 22:47:13 <cwickert> kaio: I am still having a hard time to understand all this 22:47:25 <cwickert> is herlo right? Brisbane - HK - KL? 22:47:31 <igorps> kaio, you can create wiki pages for every event, even the small ones. :) 22:47:48 <cwickert> We NEED wiki pages for every event 22:48:01 <cwickert> because that is what our statistic is based on 22:48:07 <kaio> Brisbane -> KL (transit) -> HK (Event) -> KL (FUDCon) -> Brisbane 22:48:45 <herlo> cwickert: btw, that's not quite what I said 22:48:50 <cwickert> last year's FAMSCo messed this up and kital was not able to make the statistic. nobody knows how many events we did - so please for the love of Christ - make wiki pages 22:49:08 <rbergeron> the love of FLYING SPAGHETTI MONSTER 22:49:13 * rbergeron shuts up 22:49:18 <herlo> lol 22:49:20 <rbergeron> (sorry) 22:49:27 <cwickert> rbergeron: sorry, I did not intent to discriminate anybody ;) 22:49:34 <cwickert> for the love of the HOLY COW 22:49:35 <cwickert> :) 22:49:36 <kaio> cwickert: I love wiki - FSM will bless me for the event page creation. XD 22:49:37 <cwickert> anyway 22:49:42 <herlo> rbergeron: we needed the tension breaker, had to be done 22:49:59 <rbergeron> herlo: glad i can be of use in some way 22:50:01 <rbergeron> ;) 22:50:05 * kaio loves meatball spaghetti so much. 22:50:25 <kaio> okay I should let you guys move on 22:50:29 <cwickert> kaio: ok, just to get this straight: it does not impact traveling to FUDcon 22:50:38 <kaio> long meeting is torturing us 22:50:43 <cwickert> right? you only want to do it because you are in KL anyway? 22:51:05 <cwickert> well, complain to the people who file tickets that are not ready ;) 22:51:17 <cwickert> and yes, this includes you ticket, too :P 22:51:28 <herlo> cwickert: it appears that the return trip has him stopping at fudcon, so it should be fine 22:51:43 <igorps> herlo, +1 22:51:53 <kaio> cwickert: Brisbane - KL is like one flight per week. transit to HK also save hotel costs. 22:51:56 <cwickert> given that it is say USD 200, is everybody fine with approving this? 22:52:04 <herlo> +1 approve it 22:52:09 <yn1v> +1 22:52:14 <zoltanh7211> +1 22:52:19 <cwickert> +1, under the condition that we get a decent wiki page 22:52:36 <igorps> +1, let's not complicate this more :) 22:52:54 <cwickert> #agreed #277 is approved, but we still need a wiki page for the event 22:53:14 <cwickert> #undo 22:53:14 <zodbot> Removing item from minutes: <MeetBot.items.Agreed object at 0x28ad31d0> 22:53:24 <cwickert> #agreed #277 is approved up to USD 200, but we still need a wiki page for the event 22:53:31 <cwickert> #action kaio to create a wiki page about the HKLUG event 22:53:48 <cwickert> ok, what should we do next? 22:54:00 <cwickert> we did all budget requests 22:54:08 <yn1v> Can I squeeze one more? 22:54:08 <cwickert> should we speak about FUDCon? 22:54:18 <cwickert> yn1v: have you filed it already? 22:54:21 <yn1v> https://fedorahosted.org/famsco/ticket/278 22:54:48 <yn1v> yes, but I don't know why it dosen't show up on meeting agenda 22:55:06 <cwickert> because it has 2 keywords 22:55:16 <herlo> yn1v: on 278, we need estimated costs, maybe? 22:55:24 <herlo> I think you can comma separate keywords 22:55:24 <cwickert> yn1v: for some reason it only works if "meeting" is the only keyword 22:55:34 <cwickert> herlo: they are comma separated 22:55:43 <yn1v> $496.62 22:55:53 <herlo> maybe it's space separated then 22:55:54 <cwickert> if anybody knows how to fix this in trac, he is welcome to help 22:56:04 <cwickert> herlo: doesn't work either 22:56:08 <cwickert> anyway 22:56:09 <herlo> hmm, k 22:56:19 <herlo> yn1v: please put that in the ticket? Or did I miss it? 22:56:32 <herlo> ahh, I missed it 22:56:33 <yn1v> it is in the field amount 22:56:51 <cwickert> looks good to me 22:56:53 <cwickert> +1 22:57:28 <herlo> +1 22:58:02 <igorps> We have numbers and proper information, so +1 22:58:06 <zoltanh7211> +1 22:58:33 <kaio> +1 22:58:35 <yn1v> should I vote +1 too ? 22:58:42 <cwickert> #agreed #278 is approved up to an amount of USD 500 22:58:50 <cwickert> yn1v: of course ;) 22:58:58 <herlo> always vote for your own :) 22:59:00 <cwickert> btw: do we need to approve this? I mean, can't the LATAM community handle this on their own? 22:59:24 <cwickert> herlo: how do you in NA deal with these requests? You fund it from your regional budget, right? 22:59:27 <yn1v> it is a budget issue 22:59:39 <igorps> FAmSCo usually approve budget issues 22:59:46 <herlo> I think it might be for larger budget information 22:59:57 * rbergeron thinks there seems to be confusion aobut where people approve things, and maybe it's just region by region 23:00:00 <herlo> cwickert: in NA, we just get our budget and use it as we see fit. 23:00:14 * cwickert agrees with Herlo 23:00:20 <herlo> If there is a question about how much is left, we approach spevack, or harish now 23:00:30 <yn1v> Latam has not given the budget to dispose of it :( 23:00:43 <igorps> yn1v, +1 23:00:45 <cwickert> yn1v: what do you mean? 23:00:49 <rbergeron> i think it's up to famsco to figure out how to divvy up the pot. 23:00:52 <herlo> yn1v: same question 23:00:54 <rbergeron> cwickert: they don't know how much they can spend. 23:01:04 <cwickert> herlo: how do you actually pay? credit card? 23:01:11 <herlo> cwickert: depends on the items 23:01:26 <cwickert> we really need to work on this... 23:01:28 <herlo> for most things it's cc, but for things like media and larger purchases it's by po 23:01:37 <yn1v> It has not been said that we can dispose of it 23:01:49 <igorps> This is the same issue that affects the ticket about FISL 23:02:02 <cwickert> yn1v: spevack always said this should be handled by the local communities 23:02:04 <herlo> cwickert: I agree. I think the real question is whether the annual budget has been set. I think it was said that we'll have what we had last year 23:02:06 <rbergeron> what do youneed to have said 23:02:11 <cwickert> igorps: which one? 23:02:23 <cwickert> herlo: yes, basically the same 23:02:31 <herlo> if that's the case, I say we divvy it up the same as last year for now and give approval to go ahead nd get stuff purchased 23:02:39 <herlo> let's not stand in the way of getting things done 23:02:44 <igorps> cwickert, #276 23:03:23 <herlo> cwickert: maybe we need a ticket on the agenda for next week to discuss budget allocations to regions? 23:03:39 <cwickert> herlo: yes, please file it 23:03:42 <herlo> should be short, base it upon demand from the previous year based upon the amount we got last year. 23:03:49 <herlo> cwickert: will do shortly 23:03:50 <cwickert> #action herlo to file a ticket on budget allocation 23:04:11 <rbergeron> herlo: add me to ticket, i will be happy to show up and make the blanket statement about how the money really does exist and to please spend. 23:04:12 <igorps> we can use the previous reports to base the division 23:04:14 <cwickert> alright 23:04:21 <cwickert> do we wand to move on? 23:04:30 <cwickert> shaiton_: are you there? still awake? 23:05:04 <cwickert> ok, it is really late 23:05:17 <cwickert> for me and zoltanh7211 it is 1 a.m. 23:05:25 <zoltanh7211> yeah 23:05:26 <herlo> rbergeron: k 23:05:29 <cwickert> and we have two important things to discuss 23:05:33 <cwickert> one is FUDCon 23:05:44 <cwickert> and the other are the new trademark guidelines 23:05:48 <herlo> cwickert: ticket filed, #279 23:05:52 <cwickert> what do you guys prefer? 23:05:58 <cwickert> herlo: cheater ;) 23:06:02 <herlo> lol 23:06:13 <cwickert> don't file tickets during the meeting, dare you!? 23:06:20 <herlo> um, I vote for tm guidelines 23:06:21 <zoltanh7211> lol 23:06:23 * shaiton_ on late, sorry 23:06:34 <shaiton_> (I was busy) 23:06:35 <herlo> cwickert: at least I am filing them 23:06:38 <herlo> :P 23:06:46 <cwickert> ok, now that we have both shaiton_ and zoltanh7211 here, lets discuss FUDCon 23:06:51 <herlo> ok, sounds good 23:06:53 <cwickert> everybody fine with this? 23:07:02 <cwickert> shaiton_: sorry I did not call for the meeting 23:07:09 <cwickert> but I was traveling all the time 23:07:15 <cwickert> an unplanned travel that was 23:07:17 <igorps> yes, we are a week late on discussing FUDCon 23:07:18 <shaiton_> no prob 23:07:34 <cwickert> igorps: because you did not meet last week when I was absent 23:07:45 <igorps> cwickert, exactly 23:07:46 <cwickert> shaiton_: can you quickly explain the situation with the venue? 23:08:03 <shaiton_> cwickert: ok, same as weeks ago: 23:08:16 <cwickert> #topic FUDCon bids 2012 23:08:28 <cwickert> .famsco 258 23:08:28 <zodbot> https://fedorahosted.org/famsco/ticket/258 23:08:45 <cwickert> #link https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FUDCon:Bid_for_Paris_2012 23:08:55 <shaiton_> The first venue is shared with the OWF on the Saturday. With booked rooms and auditorium time slot. 23:09:59 <shaiton_> The second venue, on Sunday and Monday would be at Universciences, a huge building where we would have some rooms for us. And the auditorium on Monday (still not sure about Sunday) 23:10:09 <shaiton_> all is free of charge 23:10:34 <shaiton_> So the budget is only about accomodation and lunch 23:10:39 <shaiton_> eof. Questions 23:10:41 <shaiton_> ? 23:11:03 <cwickert> IIRC you said something could really get expensive?! 23:11:55 <shaiton_> cwickert: I said that the auditorium at Universciences could be impossible to book because it has some huge fees usually (they rent it for private meeting) 23:12:16 <shaiton_> but we are usual guests… 23:12:24 <cwickert> well, I don't think we need a big auditorium on Sunday and Monday 23:12:33 <cwickert> but we need one on Saturday for the keynote 23:12:47 <cwickert> when rbergeron is to deliver her "state of the union" talk 23:12:51 * herlo agrees with cwickert, It really won't make a difference. Saturday is in a different building then? 23:12:53 <shaiton_> ok great :). Cause on Saturday at the OWF it is really big 23:13:13 <shaiton_> herlo: yes. 23:13:22 <shaiton_> we won't be disturbed 23:13:33 <cwickert> how big are the rooms we have on sun and mon? 23:13:59 <cwickert> and how many of them? 23:14:04 <shaiton_> cwickert: like small classrooms. 3 are bigger 23:14:29 <shaiton_> cwickert: I'll find a map and add it to the wiki. 23:14:36 <igorps> shaiton_, how many classrooms in total? 23:15:11 <yn1v> small classroom is for how many chairs? 15? 20? 23:15:17 <shaiton_> igorps: 8-9 23:15:20 <shaiton_> (I need to check) 23:15:33 <cwickert> zoltanh7211: how many rooms would we have in Bud? 23:15:56 <cwickert> and would we have a big one for the keynote? 23:16:05 <igorps> sounds a reasonable amount to me, even if they are small 23:16:07 <zoltanh7211> one auditorium and at least 4 but possible 5 30-40 person capacty 23:16:28 <cwickert> zoltanh7211: ok, that should do 23:17:55 <cwickert> zoltanh7211: the preferred hotel is 89 EUR per night and person? 23:18:03 <cwickert> that is 178 for a double? 23:18:25 <zoltanh7211> no it's 89 for 2 person with breakfast 23:18:26 * rbergeron will be disturbed but that's pretty normal :) 23:18:30 * rbergeron grins 23:19:14 <zoltanh7211> and we have an 20 eur/room option for more wider possibilities 23:19:22 <cwickert> ok, say 90 23:19:28 <zoltanh7211> the list is above 23:19:47 <cwickert> yeah, but you wrote "89 EUR/room/day person" 23:20:57 <zoltanh7211> ok fixing it 23:22:24 <cwickert> zoltanh7211: but something cannot be right there 23:22:33 <zoltanh7211> yes? 23:22:35 <cwickert> 6675 / 89 per night is 75 23:22:51 <cwickert> this means only one night? 23:23:16 * cwickert is trying to get a common base to compare hotel prices 23:23:39 <shaiton_> we both have prices for a twin per night 23:23:51 <cwickert> yes, but I want the totalsa 23:25:13 <cwickert> shaiton_: and I don't get your math either ;) 23:25:21 <shaiton_> ? :) 23:25:37 <cwickert> in the list you have something with 7200 EUR 23:25:43 <cwickert> but the text says 9141 23:25:55 <cwickert> zoltanh7211: ?! 23:26:09 <zoltanh7211> yes, the calculation is for one night with 75 room 23:26:26 <shaiton_> yes cwickert "could increase if the prefered hostel is full…" I got many quotes 23:26:36 <cwickert> zoltanh7211: but you know that FUDCon takes a little longer? ;) 23:26:44 <zoltanh7211> yes of couse 23:26:48 <zoltanh7211> course 23:27:01 <cwickert> zoltanh7211: can you please do 30 double rooms? not everybody is sponsored 23:27:12 <zoltanh7211> yes 23:27:23 <cwickert> shaiton_: so which one is the 7200? 23:27:58 <shaiton_> cwickert: 81€/twin/night for 30 twins (60 people) for 3 nights if I remember 23:28:20 <cwickert> but this hotel does not show up on the list anywhere, correct? 23:28:22 <shaiton_> which is 12150€ for 3 nights and 100 guys. 23:28:28 <shaiton_> it is… 23:28:42 <shaiton_> "Accomodation (7290€ for 30 twins for 3 nights" 23:29:08 <cwickert> ah, ok 23:29:19 <cwickert> alright 23:29:32 <cwickert> any more questions to either shaiton_ or zoltanh7211? 23:29:40 <herlo> nope 23:29:43 <cwickert> are you guys still awake? 23:29:47 <zoltanh7211> yes 23:29:55 <herlo> it's only 4:30pm here 23:29:56 <igorps> Yes :) 23:29:57 <yn1v> no questions, yes awake 23:29:57 <herlo> :P 23:30:01 <cwickert> ok, cool 23:30:02 <shaiton_> ;) 23:30:10 <cwickert> does anybody have a preference? 23:30:16 <herlo> yes 23:30:21 <zoltanh7211> my calculation is for 3 days and with 30 twins are 8010 23:30:22 * cwickert is having a hard time to decide 23:30:39 <cwickert> zoltanh7211: we need 4 nights, but anyway 23:30:48 <cwickert> doesn't really matter now 23:31:04 <cwickert> herlo: shoot 23:31:19 <herlo> I've said this before, but it's just based on personal preference 23:31:33 <cwickert> shaiton_: oh, you just calculated 3 nights, too 23:31:39 <shaiton_> yes 23:32:04 <herlo> Budapest would be better for me. There is, I guess, one thing that makes it better than paris though, no combined event. shaiton_ has done a good job of showing that it probably won't bother FUDCon too much 23:32:32 <igorps> I like the way the Paris bid has been planned. Only with one day together with OWL and the other as a standalone event. I think this could be a valuable experience. 23:32:40 <shaiton_> we should define that in the fudcon fid process page (defining quotes for 100 peoples and 4 nights) 23:33:29 <zoltanh7211> yes define quotes 23:33:43 <zoltanh7211> to get some comparing base 23:33:48 <cwickert> well, I don't think we need to worry about the costs so much now 23:34:00 <shaiton_> no, it's just for further bids 23:34:11 <shaiton_> (no, I don't plan anymore) 23:34:15 <yn1v> I was favoring first Budapest for conflicting event, but now I am clear that it is not an issue. I am incline for Paris 23:34:26 <cwickert> Budapest may be cheaper, but if we get the venue for free at Paris, both are nearly the same 23:34:43 <cwickert> I am really having a hard time to decide 23:35:10 <cwickert> there is one thing I dislike about Paris: the overlap with OWF 23:35:33 <igorps> Worth to say that both are really good bids and we appreciate all the effort of the proposers 23:35:55 <cwickert> and on the other hand there is one thing I love about Budapest: that its next to Brno and all the skilled RH folks can just come by bus 23:36:01 <shaiton_> yes igorps. I would have hard time to decide also ;) 23:36:04 <cwickert> this will save us a ton of money 23:36:07 <zoltanh7211> I think we could offer new experiences 23:36:28 <zoltanh7211> and lot of people want to help us at Corvin university 23:36:58 <igorps> Have Paris hosted a FUDCon before? 23:37:49 <cwickert> not that I know of 23:37:54 <cwickert> shaiton_: have you? 23:38:05 <shaiton_> igorps: nope. never 23:38:28 <shaiton_> always wanted but never proposed any bid 23:38:35 <igorps> So neither have Budapest, right zoltanh7211? 23:38:48 <cwickert> so given the 2 reasons I just outlined, I really should be for Budapest 23:38:48 <zoltanh7211> never before 23:38:57 <cwickert> but frankly speaking I am not quite convinced 23:39:32 <shaiton_> saving ton of money is not really defined. We also have *MANY* skilled devels here 23:39:37 * herlo needs to head out 23:39:42 <shaiton_> that never joined any FUDCons 23:39:55 <cwickert> shaiton_: why not? 23:40:18 <shaiton_> because they can't leave with there job 23:40:22 <shaiton_> (only one reason) 23:40:34 <shaiton_> s/there/their 23:40:48 <cwickert> well, FUDCon is on a weekend, where is the problem? 23:41:31 <shaiton_> yes, because you can't leave on friday night and come back on sunday 23:41:31 <igorps> Actually traveling takes more than the event days frequently 23:41:34 <shaiton_> it's too short 23:41:39 <shaiton_> yes. 23:41:51 <igorps> This is a tough decision but I would go for Paris 23:42:07 <zoltanh7211> I would like to say that opening new territoires isn't a bad thing 23:42:22 <shaiton_> goto russia :) 23:42:23 <cwickert> shaiton_: but if they are really into Fedora, why didn't they attend a FUDCon? I don't recall any French folks on a FUDCon 23:42:26 <zoltanh7211> and I could offer supporting compnies 23:42:31 <zoltanh7211> companies 23:42:48 <cwickert> shaiton_: I think Xavier was the only French who has ever attended a NA FUDCon 23:43:04 <cwickert> we even had more people from Czech or from Hungary there 23:43:10 <shaiton_> cwickert: there was me at least. also pingou. also nchauvet (kwizart) also many others. but not all that should do. 23:43:22 <shaiton_> cwickert: probably. 23:43:27 <cwickert> shaiton_: you mean Milan, right? 23:43:35 <cwickert> yes, there were 3 or 4 of you 23:43:36 <shaiton_> cwickert: milan and zurich 23:43:46 <cwickert> I mean, I know the French community is big 23:43:59 <cwickert> but I wonder why the rest of EMEA hardly ever sees them 23:44:08 <shaiton_> cwickert: I will speak for myself, but for me attending FUDCon is expensive. 23:44:08 <cwickert> I mean, you are the only one to attend our meetings 23:44:14 <shaiton_> I pay all by myself… 23:44:20 <shaiton_> I am not the only one 23:44:24 * yn1v has to leave in 15 minutes 23:44:28 <cwickert> and the rest of the French guys are doing their French meetings 23:44:43 <zoltanh7211> only 23:45:02 <shaiton_> cwickert: to really. In the french meeting we are 5-9. all are only in devel. or so on. 23:45:16 <shaiton_> s/to/not/ 23:45:21 <cwickert> I am not sure if we can make a final decision today. I am feeling very uncomfortable and would like to discuss this next Wednesday with the EMEA community first 23:45:21 * shaiton_ need to sleep also ;) 23:45:35 <shaiton_> cwickert: mailing list? 23:45:37 <cwickert> ok, lets make a quick vote 23:45:43 <cwickert> but lets not make this final 23:46:04 <cwickert> I really feel the EMEA community needs to discuss this 23:46:12 <cwickert> and I don't know if this has happened last week 23:46:17 * cwickert looks for the meeting log 23:46:18 <shaiton_> waiting for a meeting let us wait for a week. We always postpone. 23:46:41 <igorps_> Isn't better to get the feedback first and then cast votes? 23:48:03 <cwickert> shaiton_: please give us one more week 23:48:14 <cwickert> nothing has happened last week 23:48:26 <cwickert> I cannot change it, I was traveling 23:48:35 <shaiton_> cwickert: sure. I only said that it should be more efficient to discuss on the mailing list than waiting to start at next meeting 23:49:04 <cwickert> shaiton_: ok, which one do you propose? 23:49:18 <shaiton_> which mailing list? hum. 23:49:32 <cwickert> ambassadors or fudcon-planing? 23:49:40 <cwickert> lets go with ambassadors 23:49:49 <cwickert> I will write a mail about this 23:49:49 <shaiton_> yes. better. 23:49:53 <zoltanh7211> agree 23:49:54 <shaiton_> thanks 23:50:04 <igorps_> Please post the meeting logs on the ticket or a link to the mailing list thread 23:50:10 <cwickert> #action cwickert to write a mail about FUDCon to ambassadors list 23:50:34 <cwickert> igorps_: I think the meeting logs are not relevant, everything is in the wiki 23:50:50 <cwickert> and I want people to make their own decision and not have them take over ours 23:51:13 <igorps_> cwickert, the feedback they provide might be important for us to base our votes 23:51:14 <cwickert> ok, lets leave it at this 23:51:20 <cwickert> igorps_: right 23:51:29 <cwickert> ok, one last thing for today 23:51:52 <cwickert> #topic New trademark guidelines and their impact on the ambassadors swag production 23:51:59 <cwickert> .famsco 264 23:51:59 <zodbot> https://fedorahosted.org/famsco/ticket/264 23:52:13 <cwickert> there was some progress 23:52:15 <cwickert> finally! 23:52:29 <cwickert> as you can see at https://fedoraproject.org/w/index.php?title=User%3APchestek%2FTMGuidelinesDraft&action=historysubmit&diff=279136&oldid=268651 some changes were made to the guidelines 23:52:43 <cwickert> I want all FAmSCo members to read that draft by next week 23:52:51 <zoltanh7211> ok 23:52:52 <cwickert> and add their questions and concerns to the ticket 23:53:05 <cwickert> I am not quite happy with it, but at least it's getting better 23:53:35 <igorps> Great. I'll read it for next meeting. 23:53:57 <cwickert> #action all FAmSco members to read https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/User:Pchestek/TMGuidelinesDraft and add their questions and concerns at https://fedorahosted.org/famsco/ticket/264 by next week 23:54:03 <cwickert> ok, I think that's it 23:54:13 <cwickert> #topic Open Floor 23:54:31 * cwickert will close the meeting in 3 minutes if there are no further questions 23:56:41 <cwickert> #endmeeting