01:00:11 <inode0> #startmeeting FAmNA 01:00:11 <zodbot> Meeting started Wed Mar 28 01:00:11 2012 UTC. The chair is inode0. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 01:00:11 <zodbot> Useful Commands: #action #agreed #halp #info #idea #link #topic. 01:00:14 <inode0> #meetingname FAmNA 01:00:14 <zodbot> The meeting name has been set to 'famna' 01:00:30 <inode0> #topic Roll Call 01:00:34 * nb is semi-here 01:00:39 <NiveusLuna> meow! 01:00:39 <award3535> present, ready 01:00:42 <Zethrus> Hello all 01:01:18 <graphite6> hello everyone! 01:02:02 * inode0 hopes for a short meeting tonight but we do have some important stuff to take care of so ... 01:02:06 <inode0> #topic Announcements 01:02:52 <inode0> This is the time when you help by making announcements :) 01:03:09 <award3535> I have none 01:03:17 <inode0> go ahead 01:03:20 <NiveusLuna> i have none that are fedora-related 01:03:34 <inode0> oh, none, not one :) 01:03:54 <inode0> FUDCon bidding for NA closed on the 23rd 01:04:09 <award3535> any indication of where yet 01:04:09 * Sonar_Gal sneaks in 01:04:16 <inode0> As far as I know Lawrence, KS was the only bid submitted by the deadline 01:04:55 <NiveusLuna> kansas? 01:04:56 <inode0> So unless something goes wrong let's all meet in the land of Oz next January :) 01:05:03 <NiveusLuna> there is *nothing* in kansas 01:05:20 <inode0> There are sunflowers, I've seen them 01:05:26 <graphite6> lions and tigers and bears, oh my! 01:05:33 <award3535> lots of farming 01:05:35 <inode0> They are probably all dead in January though 01:05:48 <graphite6> or hungry :) 01:05:58 <inode0> ianweller is in Kansas, what more reason do we need to go there? 01:06:22 <award3535> true, but there is nothing to do at night 01:06:24 <ianweller> yeah all the sunflowers are dead in january 01:06:30 <ianweller> award3535: hahaha you're kidding, right? 01:06:33 <ianweller> lawrence is a college town 01:06:40 <inode0> Should be an announcement that is official soon I imagine 01:07:10 <award3535> well, for a college town, not much for the old man to do.... 01:07:20 <inode0> On a personal note - it really stinks that I can't fly direct to KC! 01:07:40 <inode0> award3535: hang with me and the other old men and you might be surprised 01:07:52 <award3535> LOL 01:08:02 <ianweller> any questions about the bid? 01:08:38 <inode0> only when is the official word so I can start figuring out whether I want to visit Denver or Dallas or Chicago on the way 01:08:42 <award3535> nope, looks fun 01:08:52 <ianweller> inode0: or drive? 01:09:04 <inode0> yeah, but that is risky 01:09:06 <ianweller> i'm currently waiting on the provost office to approve some stuff so we can even make an official announcement 01:09:34 <ianweller> the infinite bureaucracy of universities 01:09:49 <inode0> ok, I am excited to have our first midwest FUDCon 01:10:15 <inode0> too bad it isn't in the summer when we could introduce everyone else to real corn and real tomatoes 01:11:01 <graphite6> lol, I live on a farm...and weeding and more weeding and squishing potatoe bugs :P 01:11:07 <NiveusLuna> at least it isn't in tornado season 01:11:11 <inode0> #topic Tickets 01:11:20 <award3535> no just cold and wet 01:11:32 <inode0> I'm going to try to abbreviate this section tonight but I'd like to make a comment 01:12:04 <inode0> I'm going to start removing the meeting milestone tag from events that don't have anything new in their tickets 01:12:34 <inode0> What this means is that if the event owner wants them back in a later meeting agenda they should go put the milestone back to meeting 01:13:21 <inode0> ok, out of order but I want to start with something important 01:13:39 <inode0> .famnaticket 21 01:13:40 <zodbot> inode0: #21 (SouthEast LinuxFest 2012, Jun 8-10, Charlotte, NC) – FAmNA general trac - https://fedorahosted.org/famna/ticket/21 01:14:04 * rbergeron arrrrrives! 01:14:13 <inode0> Ben won't be here tonight (or probably for a few more weeks) but I'd like to clear one item for SELF now 01:14:32 <award3535> has the registration been complete 01:14:40 <inode0> While there isn't a link to the event on the event page yet I believe it is here 01:14:51 <inode0> #link https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/SELF_2012 01:14:53 * rbergeron types while shoveling pizza into her mouth 01:15:24 <inode0> It is in early planning stages but is a good example of how early we should be doing planning! 01:16:02 <inode0> The only item I would like to clear tonight is the sponsorship request in the budget for $500 01:16:21 <inode0> If anyone has any comment about this now is the time to make it 01:16:39 * inode0 approves and will move shortly that we fund this item 01:16:40 <award3535> I will be attending with Ben, I have no comments 01:17:00 <award3535> I agree with the funding 01:17:05 <nb> move to approve 01:17:06 <nb> +1 01:17:07 <graphite6> +1 01:17:23 <rbergeron> +1! yay self 01:17:24 <Sonar_Gal> +1 01:17:41 <inode0> ok, hearing and seeing no objection 01:18:06 <inode0> #agreed Fund a bronze sponsorship at SELF ($500) 01:18:11 <rbergeron> award3535: you should add yourself to the page :) 01:18:23 <rbergeron> inode0: are you paying it or am I? 01:18:39 * rbergeron is happy to delegate 01:18:41 <award3535> I shall add myself 01:18:47 <rbergeron> (very happy) 01:18:57 <inode0> rbergeron: I don't want to sign any contracts on behalf of me or Red Hat :) 01:19:02 <rbergeron> inode0: alrighty then 01:19:11 <inode0> just paying a bill is fine 01:19:39 <inode0> and speaking of bills 01:19:39 <rbergeron> okay, we can coordinate out of meeting as to who's on the hook for whch parts :) 01:19:54 <inode0> .famnaticket 11 01:19:56 <zodbot> inode0: #11 (LinuxFest Northwest 2012, Apr 28-29, Bellingham, WA) – FAmNA general trac - https://fedorahosted.org/famna/ticket/11 01:20:23 <inode0> I tried to go to the link to pay that bill and was summarily kicked out 01:20:41 * rbergeron really feels that between NELF, LFNW, and SELF that SWLF is definitely missing 01:20:42 <inode0> Since you are going I'll leave that in your hands 01:20:44 <rbergeron> ouch 01:21:27 <rbergeron> #action rbergeron to pay for it or reimburse jsandys for it 01:21:29 <rbergeron> did we aprove an amount for sending people there? 01:21:33 <rbergeron> #undo 01:21:35 <inode0> no 01:21:47 * rbergeron looks at zodbot 01:22:01 <nb> .ping 01:22:01 <zodbot> pong 01:22:01 * rbergeron looks at her chair and wonders if that matters 01:22:16 * inode0 looks at the ticket and sees nothing in the subsidy section 01:22:24 <nb> addchair #fedora-meeting freenode rbergeron 01:22:28 <nb> .addchair #fedora-meeting freenode rbergeron 01:22:28 <zodbot> nb: Chair added: rbergeron on (#fedora-meeting, freenode). 01:22:30 <nb> rbergeron, try now 01:22:33 <rbergeron> word 01:22:44 <rbergeron> #action rbergeron to pay for LFNW booth or reimburse jsandys for it 01:23:01 <rbergeron> i'll assume that works without undoing it :) 01:23:45 * inode0 is a bit confused here, is it chair or addchair? 01:23:57 <rbergeron> it's usually just #chair whomever 01:24:07 <inode0> #chair 01:24:07 <zodbot> Current chairs: inode0 rbergeron 01:24:12 <inode0> ok, looks fine 01:24:28 <inode0> anything else on this one? 01:24:35 <rbergeron> but if you are using Fancy Stuff and have infra permissions you can do things like what nb did, aiui (that's the "oh god the person dropped off and nobody is chaired" solution) 01:24:57 <rbergeron> nada, just want to make sure that i don't want to get asked to pay for rooms if they haven't been approved :) 01:25:26 <nb> rbergeron, yeah, i should have just asked inode0 to do it :) 01:25:35 <inode0> we are trying to not even discuss travel subsidies without travel subsidy requests on the event page 01:26:08 <inode0> I think we can often be less formal about this but we should document better than we do who is asking for what and what they are doing there. 01:26:40 <inode0> And follow up for reports from those getting subsidies. 01:26:43 <rbergeron> yup. 01:27:46 <inode0> I would encourage the LFNW folks to do that sooner rather than later as asking the week before the event is a bad thing to do. 01:28:07 * nb needs to get ahold of bpepple to find out about ilf 01:28:30 <inode0> So really I am encouraging everyone to do that sooner rather than later for whatever event you may be attending. 01:28:57 <inode0> .famnaticket 7 01:29:00 <zodbot> inode0: #7 (Indiana LinuxFest 2012, Apr 13-15, Indianapolis, IN) – FAmNA general trac - https://fedorahosted.org/famna/ticket/7 01:29:04 <inode0> since you brought it up 01:29:32 <inode0> nothing has been added here and I'll remove the meeting tag - so add it back if you want us to look at it again 01:29:40 <nb> well. i have not much of an update 01:29:49 <nb> it is looking more like i might be able to go 01:30:07 <nb> haven't heard anything from bpepple or threethirty, i guess i will email them 01:30:24 <nb> if i go, i think i'll probably drive, flying would take way too long plus more $ 01:30:45 <nb> which an advantage would be that i could transport the event box also 01:30:47 <inode0> it is in 2 or 3 weeks so someone should get on it :) 01:31:37 <inode0> .famnaticket 12 01:31:38 <rbergeron> as in make an event page? or is there one yet? 01:31:39 <zodbot> inode0: #12 (Penguicon 2012, Apr 27-29, Dearborn. MI) – FAmNA general trac - https://fedorahosted.org/famna/ticket/12 01:31:53 <inode0> there is a page, just nothing has happened since 01:32:15 <inode0> this is either spots or I don't know, ben would go if we send him 01:32:29 <rbergeron> update: spot may be going, but "roaming ambassador style," but is still not quite sure, i told him to keep us in the loop so we can allocate swag. 01:32:52 <inode0> yeah, I think we should just let spot run with it if he goes 01:32:59 * inode0 will untag it too now 01:33:23 <inode0> .famnaticket 15 01:33:25 <zodbot> inode0: #15 (Devopsday 2012, Apr 2-3, Austin, TX) – FAmNA general trac - https://fedorahosted.org/famna/ticket/15 01:33:44 <inode0> chanchito was going to investigate this but I've not heard anything more 01:34:10 * inode0 untags it too 01:34:32 <inode0> it happens before our next meeting 01:34:44 <inode0> .famnaticket 16 01:34:45 <zodbot> inode0: #16 (OpenStack Design Summit & Conference 2012, Apr 16-20, San Francisco, CA) – FAmNA general trac - https://fedorahosted.org/famna/ticket/16 01:34:52 <inode0> rbergeron: comments 01:35:43 <inode0> well, I know there is an event page now for this one 01:36:06 <inode0> #link http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/OpenStackSummitConf_April2012 01:36:46 * inode0 moves we deal with this vague budget request tonight too 01:37:13 <inode0> The idea is to prepare some event specific material to distribute at the event 01:37:35 <inode0> Proposed budget is up to $250 01:37:37 <inode0> +1 01:38:03 <inode0> There are basically no other budget items for FAmNA for this event 01:38:36 * inode0 wonders if he should send out a ping when it is time to vote 01:38:48 <graphite6> +1 :) 01:38:49 <Sonar_Gal> +1 01:38:52 <Sonar_Gal> was reading 01:38:53 <award3535> +1 01:39:53 <inode0> #agreed Funding approved for OpenStack up to $250 for event specific materials to be produced for distribution at the event 01:41:01 <rbergeron> +1 01:41:07 <rbergeron> (totally biased) 01:41:37 * inode0 updates some tickets to indicate what we have funded .. 01:41:47 <inode0> .famnaticket 17 01:41:48 <zodbot> inode0: #17 (Support for Linux Audio Conference (LAC) 12 to 15 April 2012) – FAmNA general trac - https://fedorahosted.org/famna/ticket/17 01:41:55 <rbergeron> sorry, i'm trying to juggle family and eating and whatnot 01:42:31 <inode0> I think this one is pretty much out of our hands except for sending swag. 01:43:10 <inode0> I wonder what the chances are that vwbusguy will pick up that ticket? 01:44:49 <inode0> I guess I'll just poke him in the ribs 01:45:39 <inode0> #action inode0 to poke vwbusguy in the ribs about ticket #276 (swag for LAC) 01:46:30 <inode0> ok, I'm not looking at those tickets that don't get action but if people would like to get more swag we still need to know what we have now 01:46:55 <inode0> #topic Open Floor 01:47:56 <inode0> oh 01:48:03 <inode0> I have one thing I forgot to bring up 01:48:11 <inode0> So back to SELF 01:48:28 <inode0> Some of us would really like to do something different at SELF this year 01:49:02 <award3535> what would that be 01:49:07 <inode0> We'll still have all the usual stuff, but for the first major event with F17 out the door we'd like to spice it up a bit 01:49:31 <award3535> go on 01:49:42 <inode0> well, I would like the weinermobile to visit but that probably won't happen :) 01:49:45 * graphite6 likes spicy 01:50:03 * inode0 doesn't have all the answers or all the ideas 01:50:33 <inode0> What I'd like to do is soon schedule a meeting devoted largely to brainstorming about what we might do at SELF 01:50:33 <award3535> since this is my first event I can look at a few things to do differently 01:50:47 <inode0> Some ideas already on the table 01:50:57 <inode0> *dogcart for lunch 01:50:58 <graphite6> I like the idea of a brainstorming session 01:51:04 <herlo> hot dog roast! 01:51:09 <herlo> lol 01:51:18 <inode0> there is a place that will rent us a cart :) 01:51:35 <herlo> that'd be cool. I am planning on being there 01:51:37 <inode0> there are also places nearby we could go where dogs are on the menu 01:51:40 <award3535> do we have large displays, but who is going to do the cookin 01:51:40 <herlo> would be willing to help 01:52:07 <inode0> possible cookout, possible food drive collection for a local pantry 01:52:23 <inode0> anyway, now isn't the time to go too far with this 01:52:33 <Jsandys> joining 01:52:34 <herlo> indeed 01:52:50 <herlo> we can hold that conversation at another FAMNA meeting 01:52:58 <inode0> Ben has conflicts for a few more weeks at this time so I'll probably schedule it for a Thursday night at the normal time we meet 01:53:08 <herlo> k 01:53:18 <award3535> agreed 01:53:21 <graphite6> +1 01:53:24 <inode0> but I'll talk to Ben this weekend and we'll send out an announcement 01:53:50 <inode0> but start thinking about fun things we might do 01:54:54 <inode0> Jsandys: I could not open that link - so I tasked rbergeron with figuring it out 01:55:07 <inode0> I'm sure she can't either 01:55:36 <Jsandys> Think you need to register for the NFNW site 01:55:56 <inode0> well, she is going so she can try 01:56:08 <inode0> the two of you figure it out :) 01:56:19 <Jsandys> OK 01:56:22 <rbergeron> I'll see if doing it while logged in changes anything 01:57:05 <herlo> inode0: I have one thing to discuss here when done 01:57:18 <inode0> Jsandys: I tasked myself with pinging vwbusguy regarding the swag/media request too 01:57:33 <inode0> 3 minutes left so you better start herlo :) 01:57:41 <herlo> I hope Jsandys is okay with it...but fedora harmonicas? 01:57:48 <herlo> how serious was that? 01:58:08 <herlo> I actually kind of like the idea, but am not sure what it would take to get those 01:58:33 <herlo> inode0: Jsandys: ^^ 01:58:54 <inode0> I don't think we need special swag for an event with 50-100 people 01:58:57 <dramsey> :) 01:59:07 <Jsandys> Just need media and some trinkets for LAC 01:59:07 <inode0> if that is what you mean 01:59:11 <herlo> inode0: well, I was thinking it might actually be good for more than one event... 01:59:21 * rbergeron secretly thinks it would be awesome 01:59:28 <herlo> it's not a big deal either way, but I can see it being a hit with the kiddos 01:59:28 <rbergeron> OH, so much for the secret 01:59:38 <inode0> yeah, have fun with the guidelines on that 01:59:39 * herlo is a *BIG* kiddo, btw 02:00:04 <herlo> inode0: ?? guidelines ?? we don't need no stinking guidelines! 02:00:07 * inode0 likes harmonicas but they aren't inexpensive 02:00:07 <herlo> lol 02:00:30 <herlo> inode0: actually, you can get some for less than $.20 a piece. branding is a different story 02:00:34 <inode0> we are getting stinking guidelines whether we need them or not 02:00:38 * inode0 ducks 02:00:47 <herlo> lol 02:00:50 <herlo> I know 02:01:15 <inode0> meanwhile, you can go to cafepress and get anything you can imagine and more 02:01:32 <inode0> but close your eyes if you do 02:01:36 <herlo> I'm fine with guidelines as long as we can get stuff in there... 02:02:14 <herlo> they shouldn't be too restrictive making it difficult to add new stuff 02:02:21 <herlo> but that's a discussion for later 02:02:35 <inode0> well, there should be an announcement and there will possibly be a vote next wednesday about the guidelines so we should read them and discuss them at the next meeting 02:02:37 <herlo> I am happy to discuss harmonicas if Jsandys or someone else wants to research it 02:02:59 * inode0 doesn't get to vote but right now would vote no 02:03:00 <herlo> inode0: indeed. that dicussion should probably be announced heavily 02:03:38 <herlo> I've seen it a little, need to get more involved in the conversation 02:03:48 <rbergeron> herlo: i think famsco has a ticket on it :) 02:03:51 <inode0> there is supposed to be an announcement on the mailing list at some point 02:04:03 <herlo> rbergeron: we do 02:04:21 <inode0> rbergeron: the next public board meeting is not tomorrow is it? 02:04:21 <Jsandys> multitasking, must log off to attend another meeting. Contact me for any LAC or LFNW needs. 02:04:26 <herlo> I'm working on part of that too 02:04:43 <rbergeron> no 02:04:44 * herlo waves to Jsandys 02:04:49 <rbergeron> next week 02:05:09 <inode0> so we can meet next week and discuss the guidelines here and report whatever to you on wednesday 02:05:19 * herlo is done ststirring up the waters 02:05:23 <rbergeron> yar. 02:05:28 <rbergeron> don't be shy :) 02:06:09 <inode0> ok, next week will be devoted largely to the new draft guidelines and emergency event stuff 02:06:15 <dramsey> +1 02:06:54 <inode0> for anyone who doesn't know there is a new trademark guideline proposal that will definitely change the way we produce swag 02:06:57 <herlo> inode0: you rock, man 02:07:13 <herlo> thanks for running these meetings and taking the lead on all of this stuff. 02:07:24 <graphite6> +1 02:07:32 <dramsey> +1 8-) 02:07:43 <award3535> +1 02:08:00 <Sonar_Gal> +1 02:08:00 <inode0> #link http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/User:Pchestek/TMGuidelinesDraft 02:08:19 * herlo will review again 02:09:15 <inode0> Non-Software Promotional Goods is the section of most interest to ambassadors although you are encouraged to read it all 02:10:07 <inode0> We will discuss it in much detail next week. Thanks everyone. 02:10:12 <inode0> #endmeeting