05:01:49 <tagoh> #startmeeting i18n
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05:01:52 <tagoh> #meetingname i18n
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05:02:06 <tagoh> #topic agenda and roll call
05:02:15 <tagoh> https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/I18N/Meetings/2012-03-15
05:02:28 <tagoh> time for i18n meeting
05:02:36 <epico_laptop> hi
05:02:43 <juhp> hi
05:03:07 <dueno> hi
05:04:36 <anish_> hi
05:06:02 <tagoh> hi guys, okay, let's get started.
05:06:10 <tagoh> #topic F17
05:06:16 <fujiwarat> hi
05:07:20 <tagoh> for schedule reminder, beta change deadline and features 100% complete is coming next Tuesday. if there are any changes/updates you want to push, please build the packages prior to that.
05:08:24 <epico_laptop> tagoh: just added an entry to agenda.
05:08:35 <tagoh> for i18n test day, it was good to see a lot of feedbacks as bug reports :)
05:08:54 <tagoh> epico_laptop: sure.
05:09:47 <tagoh> hope it helps to make f17 better.
05:10:44 <tagoh> for additional indic langs feature, we need to catch mclasen up to update fontconfig right.
05:11:31 <tagoh> is there anything else updates and concerns for f17?
05:12:48 <dingyichen> hi
05:12:49 <juhp> I think fonts-tweak-tool is still not in f17-updates-testing but hopefully all other features already landed in f17 tag?
05:13:50 <jni> juhp, yeah, i think this afternoon it will in f17-updates-testing
05:14:02 <juhp> ah sorry it is in f17-updates-testing
05:14:19 <jni> juhp, ok
05:14:34 <tagoh> waiting for stable right
05:15:17 <juhp> yes
05:15:30 <tagoh> jni: btw can you fix some bugs prior to the beta change deadline?
05:15:42 <jni> tagoh, yeah, i see you have report some issues, i will try to fix it as soon as possible
05:15:49 <tagoh> cool
05:15:55 <jni> tagoh, thanks
05:17:07 <tagoh> anything else? does f17 work well for you so far? :)
05:19:57 <tagoh> juhp: I guess so except the above feature.
05:20:11 <juhp> okay
05:20:24 <juhp> working pretty well for me :)
05:20:58 <juhp> but of course we should keep on testing through beta to final
05:21:20 <tagoh> okay, good. right
05:22:04 <tagoh> shall we move on then.
05:22:09 <tagoh> #topic Input Methods
05:22:26 <tagoh> epico_laptop: please go ahead.
05:23:15 <epico_laptop> okay, I got a mail from Liang Suilong to suggest to retire scim-fcitx.
05:24:22 <epico_laptop> fcitx is active and update to 4.2.1, but scim-fcitx is not update for a long time.
05:24:41 <tagoh> aha
05:24:49 <epico_laptop> they have conflicted binary files.
05:25:19 <epico_laptop> . bug 797821
05:25:25 <zodbot> epico_laptop: Bug 797821 scim-fcitx : Conflicts with fcitx - https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=797821
05:25:47 <epico_laptop> so he asked whether to retire scim-fcitx.
05:26:25 <tagoh> do they have different functionality but have the same name?
05:27:24 <epico_laptop> I think they are the same tools, but dunno whether the binary file format is the same.
05:27:33 <juhp> so then fcitx will obsolete scim-fcitx?
05:28:18 <epico_laptop> I think not, fcitx doesn't depend any IM framework.
05:28:32 <epico_laptop> fcitx it has its own XIM module
05:29:02 <pravins> hi
05:29:08 <juhp> epico_laptop, ok the bug report doesn't seem so serious in itself
05:29:16 <epico_laptop> yes
05:29:36 <epico_laptop> or just keep it?
05:29:51 <juhp> those programs should probably be moved to a tools subpackage say
05:30:12 <juhp> epico_laptop, I dunno - but if it still works and people might be using it - then little reason to drop it
05:30:26 <epico_laptop> okay, I see.
05:30:35 <juhp> if :-)
05:30:47 <tagoh> hmm, if it's a major in China, ideally it should move core to the library as we did in libpinyin and libskk perhaps.
05:31:08 <juhp> right
05:31:25 <juhp> of the tools are compatible to probably better to just drop the old versions
05:31:27 <juhp> if
05:31:36 * juhp tries again
05:31:43 <juhp> if the tools are compatible then probably better to just drop the old versions
05:32:07 <epico_laptop> okay, I see, will ask the upstream.
05:32:18 <juhp> anyway wonder how many people want to install both...
05:32:23 <tagoh> dunno why it has separate subpackages. scim-fcitx doesn't require it to run?
05:32:23 <juhp> thanks
05:32:39 <epico_laptop> welcome.
05:32:51 <epico_laptop> fcitx is more popular.
05:33:01 <juhp> ah they are already subpackaged, doh
05:33:13 <epico_laptop> fcitx appears very earlier.
05:33:19 <epico_laptop> and has a long history.
05:33:26 <tagoh> right. fcitx conflicts with scim-fcitx-tools apparently
05:33:43 <juhp> tagoh: I think they are not needed normally at runtime bicbw of course
05:34:12 <juhp> so maybe getting rid of scim-fcitx-tools would be enough if compatible
05:34:28 <epico_laptop> okay
05:34:42 <tagoh> given that it's the same, is it maybe better having subpackages in fcitx and just drop scim-fcitx-tools? dunno
05:35:06 <juhp> yeah
05:36:53 <tagoh> anyway, bug itself isn't so hard to fix. it may be a bit weak to consider retiring IMHO.
05:37:33 <epico_laptop> I see, will keep maintain it.
05:37:46 <tagoh> dunno how many users uses scim-fcitx now in Fedora though.
05:38:12 <epico_laptop> maybe they prefers fcitx over scim-fcitx.
05:38:25 <tagoh> aha
05:38:44 <epico_laptop> fcitx is popular because it has less dependencies on libraries.
05:39:37 <tagoh> one can announce orphaning packages in the list anyway. if someone still want to keep it in fedora, they may want to take it over. that's it.
05:40:35 <tagoh> okay. anything else updates or concerns to share for IM?
05:40:48 <juhp> fujiwarat, still planning libibus soname bump for f17?
05:41:33 <fujiwarat> I think the current updates-testing is the final for f17.
05:43:09 <juhp> great
05:43:26 <juhp> we should probably give it karma?
05:43:36 <juhp> to get it into beta
05:44:55 <fujiwarat> Yes, I will move it into stable.
05:45:53 <juhp> ah yeah only 3 days for f17 still
05:46:02 <tagoh> right
05:46:04 <juhp> 3 days in testing
05:46:41 <juhp> tagoh: so hopefully people were already testing it some in the test day?
05:47:06 <tagoh> juhp: yes as long as they do yum update before testing.
05:47:15 <juhp> yes
05:47:56 <tagoh> anything else?
05:49:02 <fujiwarat> ok, the next update should be post beta.
05:51:35 <tagoh> okay, better move on then.
05:51:50 <tagoh> #topic Fonts and Rendering
05:52:04 <tagoh> any updates or concerns to share?
05:52:35 <pravins> tagoh: font-tweak-tool is really nice. i liked it. Specifically if someone download any font from internet and want to set it as a default system font
05:53:01 <tagoh> nod :)
05:53:58 <pravins> i will resolve panose bugs of lohit soon
05:54:11 <tagoh> cool
05:54:54 <tagoh> guess there may be more fonts needs to be fixed.
05:55:43 <pravins> yes, even smc-fonts is broken
05:56:15 <pravins> might be we should send mail to fonts list for checking this in each fonts, at least for Sans font.
05:56:24 <pravins> I think default value is Serif
05:57:53 <tagoh> because there are no classification for serif afaics
05:58:03 <pravins> aha
05:59:12 <tagoh> okay, move on.
05:59:17 <tagoh> #topic Open Floor
05:59:31 <tagoh> is there are any topics prior to finish today's meeting?
06:00:33 <pravins> tagoh: i have release lohit-marathi in upstream now
06:00:47 <tagoh> pravins: great
06:00:57 <pravins> and wanna add it to fedora, i remember i did orphaned it long time back in fedora itself
06:01:12 <tagoh> aha
06:01:27 <pravins> do i need to put review request again or can i just re-enable that package? lohit-marathi-fonts
06:01:52 <tagoh> need to review again if the package is orphaned.
06:02:07 <tagoh> thought there should be document for that in wiki
06:02:17 <pravins> yes, i will search it
06:02:18 <pravins> thanks
06:03:48 <tagoh> okay, let's stop here then. thanks everyone for the meeting!
06:04:04 <tagoh> #endmeeting