03:59:25 #startmeeting 03:59:25 Meeting started Sat Mar 3 03:59:25 2012 UTC. The chair is bckurera. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 03:59:25 Useful Commands: #action #agreed #halp #info #idea #link #topic. 03:59:37 .fas tuanta 03:59:37 #meetingname APAC Bi-weekly 03:59:37 The meeting name has been set to 'apac_bi-weekly' 03:59:40 tuanta: tuanta 'Truong Anh Tuan' 03:59:51 .fas arifiauo 03:59:51 arifiauo: arifiauo 'Arif Tri Waluyo' 03:59:57 Agenda can be found at 03:59:59 #link https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Meeting:APAC_Ambassadors_2012-03-03 03:59:59 .fas suresht 04:00:00 Suresh: suresht 'Sureshkumar Packiyarajah' 04:00:12 #link https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Meeting:APAC_Ambassadors_2012-03-03#Agenda 04:00:13 #topic Ambassador Pinging 04:00:23 .fas FranciscoD 04:00:24 FranciscoD: ankursinha 'Ankur Sinha' 04:00:38 #chair tuanta FranciscoD Suresh 04:00:38 Current chairs: FranciscoD Suresh bckurera tuanta 04:00:50 #chair 04:00:50 Current chairs: FranciscoD Suresh bckurera tuanta 04:00:54 #chair arifiauo 04:00:54 Current chairs: FranciscoD Suresh arifiauo bckurera tuanta 04:01:08 Others can join as they appear :) 04:01:19 #topic News from FAmSCo 04:01:32 news from FAmSCo, I think we have some ! 04:01:42 we do? 04:01:52 Please follow the meeting guidelines when you need to speak, thanks 04:02:12 Any updates about FUDcon bid? 04:02:45 #link https://fedorahosted.org/famsco/ticket/258 04:03:09 ! 04:03:18 please tuanta 04:03:19 so far 2 votes 04:03:35 you can see in the ticket, FAmSCo started a vote 04:03:59 up to now all voted for MY bid 04:04:01 eof. 04:04:10 thats good 04:04:20 ! 04:04:41 so I think by next meeting we will have their preference for FUDcon so that that FPL can make her choice! 04:04:46 please tuanta 04:04:51 ! 04:04:55 we can discuss on FUDcon APAC 2012 later, but now, I have a news 04:05:18 is it on the agenda? 04:05:21 Cwickert proposing a new FAmSCo election rules 04:05:25 #link https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/User:Cwickert/Proposed_FAmSCo_election_rules 04:05:34 we should comment to it 04:05:37 eof 04:05:50 please FranciscoD 04:05:58 query: 04:06:13 does FAmSCo make a recommendation on the FUDCon bid, or do they make a decisio? 04:06:19 they are not the same things. 04:07:01 If they make a recommendation to FPL, does the FPL just accept their seuggestion as the bid? 04:07:11 or can the FPL veto it? 04:07:15 ! 04:07:20 FranciscoD, I think so 04:07:36 if the FPL is just going to take the suggestion, its just red tapism? 04:07:37 FranciscoD, FPL has the veto, no matter 04:07:53 * FranciscoD is sure inode0 will know about this :) 04:07:56 anyway, another thing 04:08:13 I don't think we should look at the new FAmSCo election rules yet 04:08:25 I'm sure there will be a call for public review (should be) 04:08:55 IMO that would be the right time, since by then the folks in-charge will have time to refine the proposal 04:08:58 eof 04:09:00 please inode0 04:09:11 +1 FranciscoD, just a notice, ppl should comment it later (after the meeting) 04:09:36 The FPL makes the decision on all FUDCon bids taking into consideration the advice given by FAmSCo and many others. 04:09:39 eof 04:09:46 ? 04:09:56 thanks, inode0, that's clear, I see 04:10:03 thanks inode0 04:10:13 ? 04:10:15 FranciscoD? 04:10:26 well, if thats the case 04:10:34 the FPL is going to also need time to make up her mind. 04:10:48 I suggest we request FAmSCo to vote asap? 04:10:56 ! 04:11:01 +1 FranciscoD 04:11:01 Each time we wait for a decision, you lose valuable time 04:11:13 +1 04:11:16 FUDCon APAC is already short of time iirc 04:11:17 eof 04:11:20 inode0 please 04:11:49 I almost sent FAmSCo a letter today about this, I think FAmSCo should act right now (well, really long ago) 04:12:02 ! 04:12:08 thanks inode0 04:12:13 There is no reason I can see for any further delays from FAmSCo. 04:12:15 eof 04:12:20 please bckurera 04:12:24 Thanks 04:12:29 thanks inode0 , we're all grateful :) 04:12:35 Hi 04:12:38 hi kaio_ph 04:12:38 We all see a delay here 04:12:43 #chair kaio_ph 04:12:43 Current chairs: FranciscoD Suresh arifiauo bckurera kaio_ph tuanta 04:12:49 .fas kaio.net 04:12:50 kaio_ph: kaio 'Caius Chance (かいお)' 04:12:53 hi kaio_ph 04:12:55 so I think even now we need to speed up 04:13:10 kaio_ph: you should cast your vote for FUDCon APAC 2012 04:13:13 otherwise we will have very short time to organize. 04:13:14 eof 04:13:27 ! 04:13:37 FranciscoD please 04:13:50 I promise to cast by SUN. 04:14:03 bckurera: concur with your observation. Like I said, getting a concrete decision is the first step. 04:14:23 The sooner it happens, the more time they have to organize. 04:14:32 * FranciscoD has seen the work that's gone into all the bids 04:14:41 it'll be a pity of all of it goes waste :/ 04:14:48 I also have a suggestion 04:14:56 ! 04:15:11 understood, FranciscoD 04:15:13 From the next FUDCon APAC cycle, how about we be pro-active and decide the location ourselves? 04:15:27 That way, there is only one bid from APAC, a good one, with all of us backing it? 04:15:29 we did, FranciscoD 04:15:37 plus, no one's bid goes waste 04:16:00 we had our suggestion to MY since 21 Jan 04:16:06 tuanta: I'm saying we decide it before people start working on bids. This time, we made a recommendation after 3 bids were in. 04:16:22 ah, understood, FranciscoD 04:16:26 so, the work put in on 2 bids is going down the drain. 04:16:36 but it may be inappropriate 04:16:56 I think we should have some "competitors" 04:17:01 I'm suggesting we have our own selection procedure, much earlier. 04:17:15 but, it may work, 04:17:18 why not 04:17:22 understood, FranciscoD 04:17:30 tuanta: well, not saying people dont put forward their bids. Just saying lets get it done earlier, within ourselves. 04:17:44 that's fine 04:17:47 So when it comes down to FAmSCo etc deciding, it doesnt take time 04:17:57 just an idea, will need to be refined 04:17:59 eof 04:18:09 we already do so, I think 04:18:21 but yes, if we go this way, the final bid we back will have to be *awesome* 04:18:34 actually, I went around for lobbying for MY for a long time 04:18:52 bckurera please :) 04:18:54 I strongly believe that with in next week we will have the bid announcement. BTW we can be pro-active in the next time (even though we did this time too) 04:19:04 and I agree with FranciscoD 04:19:05 tuanta: and yet, we still have two bids competing, after APAC made a recommendation, with FAmSCo's recommendation pending, and the FPL's pending too 04:19:08 but, yes, we should have the same voice as early as possible 04:19:25 Getting single bid too early increase the risk of failure. 04:19:30 If we can discuss about this earlier we can manage bids rather than competing 04:19:43 eof 04:19:46 kaio_ph, please 04:19:48 ! 04:19:50 * FranciscoD just thinks its using up valuble time: a weekend of good work is going down waste waiting for a decision 04:20:05 inode0 please 04:20:16 And discourage the participations from communities within region. 04:20:25 ! 04:20:27 The last two years in NA we only had one bid and both FUDCons turned out great. 04:20:35 ! 04:20:39 inode0++ 04:20:51 That wasn't by early competition but by one really good bid to start with that everyone could get behind. 04:20:53 * FranciscoD has never seen such a complex selection procedure for any other FUDCon 04:20:54 eof 04:21:05 FranciscoD go 04:21:28 kaio_ph: i hate to disagree with what you said. 04:21:52 but... FranciscoD :) 04:22:01 if the bid is well planned, worked on every APAC meeting and kept in constant sight, there is no reason for it to fail :) 04:22:24 understood, inode0. that's good example 04:22:37 +1 FranciscoD 04:22:38 eof for the time being ;) 04:22:47 thanks 04:22:54 I agree with FranciscoD 04:23:02 shall we move the topic now? 04:23:12 we can try this way next year 04:23:15 I believe that the FAmSCo will make the decision ASAP. 04:23:29 ok, next please 04:23:35 #action *all* keep a close eye on FAmSCo 's voting on the FUDCon APAC decision 04:23:37 tuanta will discuss about this and will do the very best thing 04:24:03 +1 for "if the bid is well planned, worked on every APAC meeting and kept in constant sight, there is no reason for it to fail :)" 04:24:12 shall I add it as an action, discuss about next APAC FUDcon bid before they announce? 04:24:13 #idea APAC to review bids much earlier, and select one to finally be worked on, backed by all of APAC 04:24:14 I'm just feeling disappointed when I have lobbied for CN bid with passive feedbacks for months. Then the same night of last FAMSco meeting someone stood forth and expressed interest to CN bid. 04:24:25 +1 FranciscoD 04:24:53 kaio_ph: that's what I'm trying to eliminate. With multiple bids, all but one are bound to go down disappointed. 04:25:24 If we can make a decision way before, and maybe rotate the location to increase participation from all regions, everyone gets a chance. 04:25:31 And more people get to attend fudcons 04:25:42 *and* more people get to organize fudcons 04:26:04 *and* we get it all done quicker with one *awesome* bid backed by everyone 04:26:10 oh, out of turn, but eof 04:26:15 That did disturbed my time needed for making decision, but seems unlikely to affect my decision I initially made after the FAmSCo meeting. 04:26:17 * FranciscoD apologises 04:26:19 #info FUDCon:Bid_for_Philippines_2012 bid was withdrawn. 04:26:19 got carried away 04:26:21 #link https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FUDCon:Bid_for_Philippines_2012 04:26:30 FranciscoD, understood. and we have got good case study from inode0 04:26:36 aye 04:26:44 ! 04:26:47 even LATAM. Is there a competing bid? 04:26:54 plase inode0 04:26:55 * FranciscoD doesnt recall any 04:27:20 I'm sorry, my recollection was wrong. We did have multiple bids at least one year. 04:27:58 And we saw the same thing you see. A lot of hard work that ends up having questionable value. 04:28:30 Although working on a bid one can improve and lay the foundation for another bid later, so it isn't all bad. 04:28:45 It is not the problem of getting into 1 bid too late, but the deadlines were not followed strictly. 04:28:59 eof 04:29:03 #info FranciscoD is not suggesting only having one bid. 04:29:19 thanks 04:29:30 I think we discussed lot, shall we move then? 04:29:36 aye 04:29:45 #topic Review *ACTION* items from the last meeting 04:29:52 #action *all* mark calendars for next FUDCon deadlines so we can get started much in advance 04:29:53 #link http://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting/2012-02-18/apac_biweekly.2012-02-18-04.03.html 04:30:15 #action All FAms, update your F17 release parties to the wiki at https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/F17_release_events 04:30:23 is there anything to add there 04:30:38 ! 04:30:49 please 04:31:00 FAmSCo supposed to make decision by beginning of the year. 04:31:07 Rig 04:31:13 Eof 04:31:14 I've add F17 Release Party Surakarta, Indonesia 04:31:26 I've been working on getting nitesh swag, so I haven't been able to find out charges as I was assigned. I will do that though. As soon as I can. 04:31:28 (bad autocorrection) 04:31:48 There will be a few in china. 04:32:07 On the "add lessons to wiki in do's and donts", I'm waiting on this FUDCon to go ahead. I think we've learnt most lessons here ;) 04:32:17 eod my tasks 04:32:22 thanks 04:32:24 s/eod/eof/ 04:32:41 I got arifiauo's email. Famsco will do the best to smooth the financing process. 04:32:50 #action bckurera find out shipping charges for swags from Colombo through Sri Lanka and abroad 04:33:09 arifiauo , you can use the APAC trac too 04:33:25 ! 04:33:25 #link https://fedorahosted.org/fedora-apac/ 04:33:26 kaio_ph, thanks 04:33:38 please FranciscoD 04:33:41 bckurera, yes, sure. 04:33:41 ! 04:33:47 APAC trac should be suggested for *everyone* under APAC. 04:33:48 No matter which trac, you have to get attention from Harish. 04:34:05 but he should know what tracs he's to look at 04:34:25 If every country comes up with a trac, there is no way community architecture is going to follow them all. 04:34:25 He is the first point of contact for $. 04:34:39 * FranciscoD is requesting India folks to use the apac trac and not the fedora-india trac 04:34:51 sorry, I have to leave now 04:34:57 +1 FranciscoD 04:35:04 eof 04:35:04 I will see the logs later 04:35:10 nice info kaio_ph 04:35:15 tuanta bye, have a good day 04:35:16 bckurera go 04:35:24 tuanta: Cya 04:35:30 bye tuanta 04:35:33 I agree with FranciscoD 04:35:39 last action item; bckurera to find out who is managing the APAC-trac 04:35:49 susmit and harish was handling the trac 04:35:52 see you all later 04:35:53 bye 04:36:02 Yes agree all apac should use apac trac. 04:36:14 Further anyone in APAC can open a ticket in the trac 04:36:14 #info All APAC Ambassadors use the APAC trac. No tracs below APAC level. 04:36:31 ! 04:36:44 I ll take care of the ticket and make sure it gets required attention 04:36:46 eof 04:36:54 please FranciscoD 04:37:10 Agree 04:37:15 Using one trac also keeps *all* of APAC aware of whats going on, with each event, anywhere in APAC. 04:37:34 If folks open tickets on the fedora india trac for instance, APAC doesnt even learn of the event. 04:37:38 shall we use #agree on "All APAC Ambassadors use the APAC trac. No tracs below APAC level." 04:37:38 Only India folks do. 04:37:54 +1 bckurera 04:38:10 I don't know if theres a community arch person in India, so I don't know why tickets are filed in the -india trac. 04:38:27 eof 04:38:43 #agree All APAC Ambassadors use the APAC trac. No tracs below APAC level. 04:38:51 thats clear now 04:38:55 shall we move? 04:38:59 aye 04:39:14 #topic APAC Trac for Regional Support 04:39:18 I just dont understand why so many tracs. 04:39:50 kaio_ph: can you maybe discuss this in a FAmSCo meeting and decide what tracs should be around at all for Ambassadors? 04:40:15 the other tracs should be removed, really. Just contribute to confusion, and use up fedora infra. 04:40:46 FranciscoD, I think one trac per region is a good choice! 04:40:49 ! 04:40:51 +1 FranciscoD 04:40:54 Is there a process for requesting a regional trac? Or can anyone with access to fedora-infra set one up as they please? 04:40:57 eof 04:40:59 * FranciscoD is just wondering 04:41:02 please inode0 04:41:27 bckurera: aye, one for each region such as NA, APAC, EMEA, LATAM is sufficient IMO 04:41:35 We use two tracs in NA. One is public and tracks things like event planning. The other is private for distribution of stuff where private information like addresses is put. 04:41:45 ! 04:41:48 But both are used by everyone in NA. 04:41:50 eof 04:41:59 FranciscoD please 04:42:35 #info APAC doesnt have a centralized distribution framework set up. Something we need to learn from NA and get implemented. 04:42:42 As always: 04:43:02 #info import duties and shipping is *expensive* in APAC. Need to come up with a plan suitably. 04:43:06 eof 04:43:13 thanks 04:43:28 I ll take care of a new proposal with the facts we have? 04:43:49 a centralized system for APAC, under one trac 04:44:01 shall I add it as an action item? 04:44:09 bckurera: yes. make it an action item please 04:44:21 BTW please act on this ticket as required 04:44:23 #link https://fedorahosted.org/fedora-apac/ticket/14 04:44:39 * FranciscoD thinks you can always ask NA to help out and review it. They're more experienced in this. 04:45:02 #action bckurera and APAC FAms, create a proposal to make APAC more centralized (eg: trac..) 04:45:35 shall we move? 04:45:36 bckurera: I shall close the ticket. Reimbursements are complete iirc. 04:45:55 thats good ! 04:46:09 we are running out of time, sl will move 04:46:13 #topic APAC Events 04:46:29 #link https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Events#FY12_Q1_.28March_2012_-_May_2012.29 04:46:57 Please plan and add your events to the wiki if you want get some swags and fund 04:47:19 I think we dont have to discuss much, shall we move? 04:47:31 #action *all* Please plan and add your events to the wiki if you want get some swags and funds. 04:47:40 bckurera: move on please 04:47:44 #topic Status of F17 Release Parties 04:48:01 ! 04:48:13 please 04:48:40 the two topics, F17 release events and APAC events should be merged? Is there a point having them separate? 04:48:54 F17 release parties are APAC events really. 04:48:59 eof 04:49:13 FranciscoD, sometimes we weight on one another 04:49:18 I think it should be merged 04:49:23 FranciscoD: that's correct 04:49:27 but I like your suggession 04:49:38 will merge it at the next agenda 04:49:47 we can put everything under the APAC events 04:49:56 A release party can be "Release party: location", to differentiate it from other APAC events.. 04:50:12 #action F17 release events and APAC events should be merged in the agenda 04:50:17 Suresh +1 04:50:36 next? 04:50:41 * FranciscoD brb, please continue 04:50:49 #topic APAC Plans for 2012 (Suresh) 04:50:57 Suresh floor is yours 04:51:04 bckurera: thanks 04:51:13 #link https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/APAC_Plans_2012 04:51:40 More events per release as usual we are doing 04:52:07 and Fedora code Competition still pending we need to talk a lot about it 04:52:27 ! 04:52:46 by the way "Best Event/Party photo Competition" it's the good time propose to famsco... 04:52:52 bckurera: please 04:53:06 I really like your idea, if you want help i m here 04:53:30 I think thats a good idea to bring uni students to fedora 04:53:31 so that we can spread fedora among universities 04:53:39 like a marketing strategy, :) 04:53:39 eof 04:53:45 bckurera: yes please if you have time can you go through that and edit those things 04:54:01 sure, as time permits I ll do 04:54:10 bckurera: thanks 04:54:38 kaio_ph: can you file a ticke about it #link https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/BeefyMiracle/PhotoCompetition 04:54:49 to famsco 04:55:37 then if it's accept we can have "BeefyMiracle/PhotoCompetition" 04:55:42 eof 04:55:54 thanks 04:56:06 I ll help in this initiative, a nice idea 04:56:09 will move then 04:56:18 #topic Fedora and Red Hat System Administration Study Group for Ambassadors (dramsey) 04:56:30 #action kaio file a ticke about it #link https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/BeefyMiracle/PhotoCompetition 04:56:31 we miss dramsey and udinnet 04:56:42 so will keep moving 04:56:55 #topic Teach fedora using Videos campaign (ankursinha) 04:57:07 FranciscoD are you around? 04:57:23 actually I dont have updates about this project 04:57:30 so will take it once he returns 04:57:42 #topic Fedora Participation (dramsey as well as others who want to voice their ideas) 04:58:07 bunch of ideas from Dramsey to think about ! 04:58:12 please go through if possible 04:58:15 anything to add? 04:58:39 move then? 04:58:59 * bckurera 1 hours is about to pass 04:59:01 #topic GSoC with Fedora (bckurera) 04:59:20 We are trying finding some ideas for GSoC 2012 04:59:35 the org application period has started as well 04:59:41 + 1 for GSoC 2012 04:59:47 if you have any idea and want them to implemented by students please add them 04:59:54 #link https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Summer_coding_ideas_for_2012 05:00:10 please have a look and interested mentors welcome 05:00:20 anything to add? 05:01:06 Further I have added following idea which was discussed in APAC meeting 05:01:14 if you have anything please add it to the idea 05:01:17 #link https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Summer_coding_ideas_for_2012#Implement_a_survey_infrastructure_for_the_Fedora_Project 05:01:35 will moe to Open Floor? 05:01:40 yes 05:01:41 s/moe/move 05:01:53 #topic Open Floor 05:02:01 ? 05:02:02 Feel free to discuss or share anything 05:02:11 please inode0 05:02:27 Does anyone know if gbraad is ok? Is he still wanting/planning to contribute to FAmSCo? 05:02:36 ! 05:02:56 * inode0 is concerned about an empty seat running through the entire term 05:02:57 eof 05:02:58 i m going :) 05:03:11 inode0: good question +1 05:03:12 AFAIK he is on a vacation 05:03:26 so I think as soon he return he will be normal 05:03:39 I have no any strong idea but I think so 05:04:07 thanks for taking it up and I ll try to ping gbraad . 05:04:33 bckurera: please make an action regarding "gbraad " then we can get positive ans. 05:04:42 sure 05:05:18 #action ping gbraad and finds out gbraad is ok? 05:05:28 * FranciscoD is back 05:05:30 bckurera: thanks 05:05:43 FranciscoD we are at the open floor 05:05:47 great 05:05:51 is there anything to add? 05:06:01 Not really 05:06:05 nothing from me. 05:06:13 About nitesh's event. Harish said he'll send him some fedora CDs. 05:06:20 #info About nitesh's event. Harish said he'll send him some fedora CDs. 05:06:25 eof 05:06:37 But i saw no address on the ticket 05:06:48 anyway will wait 05:06:50 then I think we are at the end of the meeting 05:07:00 shall we wind up? 05:07:02 aye 05:07:14 * FranciscoD will get the folks to update the ticket with comments 05:07:17 I think we discussed more and we miss dramsey and tuanta 05:07:30