22:00:18 <cwickert> #startmeeting FAmSCo 2012-22-29
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22:00:30 <cwickert> #meetingname FAmSCo
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22:00:51 <KageSenshi> \o
22:01:28 <cwickert> #chair cwickert zoltanh721
22:01:28 <zodbot> Current chairs: cwickert zoltanh721
22:01:35 <cwickert> only two people?
22:01:38 <cwickert> this sucks
22:01:54 <cwickert> zoltanh721: are you there?
22:01:57 <KageSenshi> :(
22:02:37 * cwickert waits a little
22:02:41 <cwickert> chair kaio
22:02:45 <cwickert> #chair kaio
22:02:45 <zodbot> Current chairs: cwickert kaio zoltanh721
22:02:48 <zoltanh721> yes
22:02:49 <zoltanh721> sorry
22:02:56 <cwickert> one more please
22:02:57 <zoltanh721> .fas zoltanh721
22:02:58 <zodbot> zoltanh721: zoltanh721 'Hoppár Zoltán' <hopparz@gmail.com>
22:03:07 <KageSenshi> .fas izhar
22:03:08 <zodbot> KageSenshi: izhar 'Mohd Izhar Firdaus Ismail' <kagesenshi.87@gmail.com>
22:03:21 <cwickert> hold on ;)
22:03:32 <cwickert> did I say roll call? ;)
22:03:37 <zoltanh721> c'mon
22:03:40 <zoltanh721> :)
22:03:42 <cwickert> I think we know the FAmSco members
22:03:59 <cwickert> ok then
22:04:01 <cwickert> .fas cwickert
22:04:02 <zodbot> cwickert: cwickert 'Christoph Wickert' <christoph.wickert@googlemail.com>
22:04:08 <kaio> .fas Kaio.net
22:04:09 <zodbot> kaio: kaio 'Caius Chance (かいお)' <me@kaio.net>
22:04:26 <zoltanh721> .fas zoltanh721
22:04:27 <zodbot> zoltanh721: zoltanh721 'Hoppár Zoltán' <hopparz@gmail.com>
22:04:38 <cwickert> it doesn't look like we have a quorum
22:04:44 <cwickert> so we cannot make any decisions
22:04:54 <cwickert> nevertheless we can discuss a few things
22:05:05 <cwickert> in particular FUDCon APAC
22:05:16 <cwickert> but first lets go over the tickets at https://fedorahosted.org/famsco/report/9
22:05:54 <cwickert> #info herlo and yn1v sent regrets and cannot attend
22:06:14 <cwickert> not much we can do with the tickets I think
22:06:30 <cwickert> .famsco 250
22:06:30 <zodbot> https://fedorahosted.org/famsco/ticket/250
22:06:38 <cwickert> #topic Swag shipping improvements
22:06:56 <cwickert> not much feedback, this is why I mailed the ambassadors
22:07:15 <cwickert> no feedback yet there either, but I have to admit I just sent that mail an hour ago
22:07:32 <cwickert> zoltanh721: one thing I'd like to mention
22:07:42 <cwickert> you suggested a swag wrangler
22:07:44 <zoltanh721> cwickert: go on
22:07:49 <zoltanh721> yes
22:08:08 <cwickert> the idea is nice, ship everything from one place in one package
22:08:12 <cwickert> but this also causes a single point of failure
22:08:26 <cwickert> what if he is unresponsive and on holiday?
22:08:59 <zoltanh721> Good point
22:09:16 <cwickert> we need to take this into account
22:09:24 <zoltanh721> But I think this is an necessary part - and need to be improved
22:09:45 <cwickert> frankly speaking I see no big problems in EU
22:09:55 <cwickert> I mean, when was the last time you had problems?
22:10:31 <zoltanh721> Well, it would be nice to have some swag with the CD's
22:10:32 <cwickert> kaio_ph, KageSenshi: what about you, how does shipping work in APAC? did you have any problems?
22:11:09 <KageSenshi> cwickert, erm .. never actually asked for swag .. usually i just take whatever harish bring over for RH events ..
22:11:21 <kaio_> IMHO, as production and freight costs are relatively lower, APAC may be more appropriate to make locally.
22:11:57 <cwickert> ok, but again: who actually had a problem?
22:12:01 <kaio_> (Asia rather than Oceania, the latter is very expensive.)
22:12:14 <cwickert> I mean, I wonder why so many people are complaining in the survey
22:12:22 <cwickert> but in the ticket the feedback is positive
22:12:30 <cwickert> and everybody says it works for him
22:12:37 <kaio_> APAC has not worked out the most economic solutions yet.
22:13:25 <cwickert> kaio_: how is swag handled in APAC? can you add this to the ticket? there is no feedback from APAC yet
22:13:37 <kaio_> I support the idea of swag wranglers - if we found responsive ones.
22:14:20 <kaio_> I and gbraad have assisted the local production in China commenty and Taiwan community.
22:14:57 <cwickert> anything else to add?
22:15:05 <kaio_> The China community has done shirts, media and stickers, the Twiwan community has done posters.
22:15:14 <kaio_> I will add to the ticket then.
22:15:27 <cwickert> I don't think we need to go through this here in great detail, we should collect it in the ticket
22:15:38 <cwickert> and I want feedback from people who really had problems
22:15:40 <kaio_> cwickert: ++
22:15:55 <zoltanh721> cwickert: +1
22:16:03 <cwickert> #action kaio to add info on how swag works (or not) in APAC to the ticket
22:16:11 <cwickert> ok, that's all I think
22:16:24 <cwickert> #topic Budget and reimbursement issues
22:16:29 <cwickert> .famsco 251
22:16:29 <zodbot> https://fedorahosted.org/famsco/ticket/251
22:16:44 <cwickert> not much new from the Red Hat side
22:17:01 <cwickert> except that rbergeron is still trying to clean up the mess
22:17:24 * rbergeron has a trac package that someone could review if they would like :)
22:17:46 <cwickert> and from my side I can say that kital and me will meet in 2 weeks face to face and work on the process or reviewing and reporting
22:17:55 <cwickert> rbergeron: did you make me admin already?
22:17:59 <rbergeron> yup
22:18:04 <kaio_> mostly respond time
22:18:04 <rbergeron> https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=798014
22:18:09 <cwickert> rbergeron: where is it?
22:18:41 <rbergeron> https://fedorahosted.org/draftbudget/
22:18:49 <cwickert> #action cwickert to review https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=798014
22:19:00 <rbergeron> still very drafty - i haven't gotten the second trac plugin reviewed yet so i haven't een able to request them to be added to infra
22:19:15 <cwickert> rbergeron: do you really think we need an advanced workflow? is custom status not enough=
22:19:16 <cwickert> ?
22:20:08 <rbergeron> cwickert: it might be, advanced workflow lets you have different flows based on ticket type
22:20:32 <cwickert> but in that trac there should only be budget, right?
22:20:37 <cwickert> anyway, no need to discuss this
22:20:39 <rbergeron> ie: theoretically new swag tickets might go to legal for a stamp but existing swag we've had before reorders might not
22:20:43 <rbergeron> yeah, we can discuss offline
22:20:48 <rbergeron> or elsewhere, not now
22:20:54 <cwickert> I will review the plugin
22:21:07 <cwickert> rbergeron: legal will have its own trac, too
22:21:08 <cwickert> anyway
22:21:17 <cwickert> #topic New FAmSco election rules
22:21:21 <cwickert> .famsco 255
22:21:24 <zodbot> https://fedorahosted.org/famsco/ticket/255
22:21:39 <cwickert> I think we pretty much agreed on the guidelines
22:21:50 <cwickert> but as we don't have a quorum, we cannot ratify them today
22:22:33 <cwickert> we should to this ASAP because it turns out we really need to have something to cope with the problem of inactive members and filling vacant seats
22:22:47 <cwickert> but on the other hand one more week is good
22:22:50 <zoltanh721> +1
22:22:58 <cwickert> because I want to rephrase the text to be shorter
22:23:08 <cwickert> I will not change the content, just the wording
22:23:28 <cwickert> to have the guidelines for FAmSCo, the board and FESCo as similar as possible
22:23:39 <cwickert> questions?
22:23:52 <zoltanh721> nope
22:23:56 <cwickert> #topic FUDCon bids 2012
22:24:02 <cwickert> .famsco 258
22:24:02 <zodbot> https://fedorahosted.org/famsco/ticket/258
22:24:12 <cwickert> ok, who is here for FUDCon?
22:24:14 <KageSenshi> \o
22:24:15 <cwickert> KageSenshi: ?
22:24:21 <cwickert> you are from where?
22:24:43 * KageSenshi Fedora Ambassador from Kuala Lumpur, representing the KL bid
22:25:32 <cwickert> that is ML, right?
22:25:35 <KageSenshi> Kuala Lumpur -> Malaysia
22:25:46 <cwickert> ok, great to have you here
22:25:48 <KageSenshi> #link https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FUDCon:APAC_2012_Bid_Malaysia
22:26:33 <KageSenshi> :)
22:26:36 <cwickert> tell me a little bit about your community: how many people are there? who is the event owner and how big is the FUDCon team?
22:27:58 <cwickert> #link http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Ambassadors/CountryList#Malaysia_.286.29
22:28:05 <cwickert> that page lists 6 ambassadors
22:28:19 <KageSenshi> lets see.. in term of active fedora ppl around.. we have around 7 active who usually around in most events .. in term of FAS, the last time i check there was around 200+ fas accounts ..
22:28:41 <cwickert> how do you check FAS accounts from ML?
22:28:55 <KageSenshi> there are a number of local foss communities around, which includes fedora and several other distributions
22:29:05 <KageSenshi> i checked the FAS account using a python script
22:29:11 <KageSenshi> which extract everyone's email
22:29:18 <KageSenshi> whose country=MY
22:29:34 <cwickert> ah, ok
22:29:52 <KageSenshi> locally there was plenty of FOSS events happened
22:29:54 <cwickert> ok, I am glad you have a big and active community
22:30:06 <cwickert> but there are other things I am concerned about
22:30:13 <KageSenshi> a few months ago the Google Devfest and Mozilla Camp was done here in KL
22:31:34 <KageSenshi> organizing team for FUDCon is around 7 .. and we're getting volunteers from some universities
22:33:54 <KageSenshi> cwickert, what are the concerns?
22:34:34 <KageSenshi> ah .. disconnected
22:34:45 <cwickert1> #chair cwickert1
22:35:13 <KageSenshi> in case you missed this:
22:35:14 <KageSenshi> a few months ago the Google Devfest and Mozilla Camp was done here in KL
22:35:18 <KageSenshi> organizing team for FUDCon is around 7 .. and we're getting volunteers from some universities
22:35:23 <KageSenshi> cwickert, what are the concerns?
22:35:53 <cwickert> I am looking at things on a more international level
22:35:58 <cwickert> what about visa requirements?
22:36:14 <KageSenshi> ASEAN countries doesnt require visa ..
22:36:20 <KageSenshi> australia doesnt require visa neither
22:36:57 <cwickert> ah, nice, no visa required for Germans, too
22:37:15 <meng> cwickert: http://www.kln.gov.my/web/guest/requirement-for-foreigner
22:37:30 <KageSenshi> entering malaysia is usualyl easy except for some countries that have a history of illegal immigrants
22:37:33 <Suresht> +1 from colombo too ;)
22:37:45 * kaio_ used to enter MY w/o visa.
22:37:57 <meng> India, China and some email scam email country
22:38:05 <meng> are the problematic ones
22:38:10 <cwickert> meng: can you add that info to the bid page?
22:38:15 <cwickert> I mean the link
22:38:23 <KageSenshi> meng, india should be ok if you have record of previous visits
22:39:20 <meng> cwickert: its on our bid page already. even has yellow fever info
22:39:20 <KageSenshi> never actually heard of any problem for ppl from china
22:39:34 * cwickert is sorry :)
22:39:45 <cwickert> meng: you are from ML, too?
22:39:50 <meng> cwickert: yes
22:39:54 <cwickert> understood
22:40:00 <cwickert> ok, next thing is security
22:40:08 <cwickert> is this a problem in KL?
22:40:11 <KageSenshi> those from MY who are observing -> meng , MavJS , kulll  :)
22:40:23 <cwickert> I mean, for foreigners
22:40:44 <KageSenshi> cwickert, security as in crime?
22:40:50 <KageSenshi> generally its safe
22:41:09 <kulll> +1
22:41:15 <meng> but precautions in built up areas are still recommended
22:41:16 <cwickert> yes, as in crime
22:41:38 <cwickert> there are some warnings on the website of the German ministry of foreign affairs
22:41:47 <cwickert> but notthing really severe it looks
22:42:24 <KageSenshi> oh?
22:42:29 <kaio_> keep belongings secured is needed I guess
22:42:34 <meng> what are those, may I ask?
22:43:01 <kulll> +1 kaio_
22:43:14 <kaio_> just do not walk alone in quiet area
22:43:24 <cwickert> meng: mainly robbery, and there was a kidnapping of some foreigners in 2000 or 2001
22:43:52 <cwickert> ok, I looked at some other countries
22:44:01 <cwickert> and compared to them ML is fine :)
22:44:08 <cwickert> China is better though
22:44:09 <kaio_> It should be top 5 safe cities in south asia
22:44:15 <cwickert> alright then
22:44:20 <cwickert> last but not least
22:44:25 <cwickert> airfare
22:44:37 <meng> snatch thievery is common also, but not a worry when not using a handbag, the kidnapping thing is limited to Sabah back in those days with the Moro Islamic Liberation Front
22:44:54 <cwickert> ok meng, thanks for the info
22:45:03 <cwickert> I think ixs recently was in KL
22:45:08 <cwickert> ixs: true?
22:45:18 <cwickert> back to airfare
22:45:25 <cwickert> a ticket from Germany to KL is way more expensive then to Bejing
22:45:36 <cwickert> say 700 EUR instead of 500
22:45:55 <cwickert> but I'm afraid there is not much we can do about it
22:45:58 <KageSenshi> flight, for people in in southeastasia its usually cheap as theres a low cost airline covering the region
22:46:11 <kaio_> I can take airasia which is very cheap.
22:46:11 <KageSenshi> airasia.com
22:46:47 <kaio_> but the schedule is not much matching from here to KL for lowest fare
22:47:18 <cwickert> hmm, it looks the same for Asian cities
22:47:26 <cwickert> why is Bejing so much cheaper?
22:47:44 <meng> kaio_: there's Tiger Airways, and for Indonesia KLM is apparently quite cheap
22:48:00 <KageSenshi> meng, KLM is dutch :)
22:48:22 <meng> my sister flew in KLM for jakarta, its cheaper than AA
22:48:26 <kaio_> I will shop around. XD
22:49:14 <cwickert> Tokyo - Bejing: $500, Tokyo - KL $1017
22:49:43 <kaio_> the mileage is much more
22:49:58 <cwickert> SIN - Bejing $450 , SIN - KL: $36
22:50:07 <cwickert> clear win for KL there :)
22:50:28 <meng> from Singapore, bus is also available
22:50:31 <KageSenshi> SG is just across the border, 3 hrs drive to KL :)
22:51:00 <cwickert> Hong Kong - Bejing $450, Hongkong - KL $473
22:51:34 <cwickert> ok, there is nothing we can do about airfare
22:51:48 <cwickert> what about internet?
22:52:19 <cwickert> is there a connection that can deal with 200 people at a time? wifi?
22:52:35 <kaio_> dramsey: morning
22:52:40 <Suresht> additional info Colombo to KL(it will be around $300) in compare to china it's much higher
22:52:57 <dramsey> :)
22:53:16 <KageSenshi> MavJS, u remember what the bandwidth at apiit ?
22:53:50 <MavJS> KageSenshi: not sure. :|
22:53:56 <KageSenshi> so far in events we've ran, the wifi can handle it .. unless something screwd up
22:54:50 <cwickert> alright
22:55:28 <cwickert> ok, we cannot make a final decision
22:55:46 <cwickert> because we don't have a quorum
22:55:51 <KageSenshi> :(
22:55:56 <cwickert> but you have managed to convince me
22:56:06 <cwickert> I still like to look into some details
22:56:10 <cwickert> but the rest is fine
22:56:17 <cwickert> last question
22:56:30 <cwickert> no, 2 questions actually
22:56:41 <cwickert> has any of you been to a FUDCon already?
22:56:55 <KageSenshi> me
22:57:01 <cwickert> Pune?
22:57:03 <KageSenshi> the rest, no
22:57:05 <KageSenshi> yep pune
22:57:22 <cwickert> ok, so you know what a good FUDCon should be like
22:57:26 <cwickert> last question
22:57:43 <cwickert> do you think you can do the same with only 3 months time for planning?
22:58:02 <cwickert> and do you have the resources, I mean, time and people?
22:58:11 <KageSenshi> not sure about beating the fudpub , but the event, i believe we can ..
22:58:22 <cwickert> this is not a contest, it is not about winning, it is about the best for Fedora
22:58:24 <KageSenshi> the team had experience in running foss.my 2008 in 30 days
22:58:51 <KageSenshi> of course, will need all the help we can get in term of promotion
22:58:57 <KageSenshi> an event is nothing without its attendees
22:59:10 <kulll> +1
22:59:18 <KageSenshi> logistics, we should be able to get it to work in 3 months planning
22:59:21 <dramsey> +1
23:00:10 <cwickert> ok, if you dedicate your time, we'll support you
23:00:26 <kaio_> cwickert: ++
23:00:45 <cwickert> KageSenshi: I suggest you start working right after this meeting, even if we don't have a final decision yet
23:00:47 <cwickert> :)
23:00:51 <KageSenshi> (btw .. can i assume that we can get moving?)
23:00:55 <KageSenshi> ok cool
23:01:15 <KageSenshi> thats the thing i need :) ..
23:01:18 <cwickert> no more questions from my side
23:01:24 <cwickert> thanks for coming to our meeting
23:01:42 <Suresht> cwickert, +1
23:01:43 <cwickert> any more questions about FUDCon?
23:02:01 <cwickert> too bad we have no Chinese people here
23:02:25 <cwickert> I mean, I like their bid, but it is worth nothing without active people
23:02:47 <cwickert> ok, next topic
23:02:52 <KageSenshi> :D
23:02:53 <cwickert> #topic Ambassador Membership Request by a Candidate with a legacy
23:03:02 <cwickert> .famsco 262
23:03:02 <zodbot> https://fedorahosted.org/famsco/ticket/262
23:03:05 * KageSenshi goes to do announcements
23:03:15 <cwickert> KageSenshi: hold on
23:03:17 <cwickert> not yet
23:03:26 <cwickert> start planning but don't announce anything
23:03:30 <KageSenshi> cwickert, i mean, to the team :)
23:03:34 <cwickert> alright
23:04:01 <cwickert> back to the ticket
23:04:16 <cwickert> zoltanh721, kaio_: your thoughs?
23:04:43 <kaio_> cwickert: I think Chinese community is not going to propose the bid.
23:05:10 * cwickert wanted to talk about ticket 262 now
23:05:26 <cwickert> we don't need to make a decision on that ticket
23:05:37 <cwickert> I first would like to have his old mentor comment
23:06:10 <cwickert> and in the end it's up to the new mentor if he is willing to mentor him
23:06:58 <zoltanh721> cwickert: well, I think we need more comments to make the final decision next time
23:07:16 <cwickert> agree
23:07:36 <cwickert> #topic New trademark guidelines and their impact on the ambassadors swag production
23:07:41 <cwickert> .famsco 264
23:07:42 <zodbot> https://fedorahosted.org/famsco/ticket/264
23:07:59 <cwickert> nothing new, rbergeron and spot are going to meet with RH Legal tomorrow
23:08:12 <cwickert> and they will make sure that our questions and concerns are heard
23:09:19 <cwickert> #action all FAmSCo members to read https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/User:Pchestek/TMGuidelinesDraft - expecially https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/User:Pchestek/TMGuidelinesDraft#Ambassador_giveaways and add their opinion in ticket 264
23:09:33 <cwickert> #topic Sponsoring event attendees
23:09:38 <cwickert> .famsco 265
23:09:38 <zodbot> https://fedorahosted.org/famsco/ticket/265
23:09:49 <cwickert> I don't know what to say to this one
23:10:00 <cwickert> I really hate these "oh, this is interesting" tickets
23:10:19 <cwickert> I would prefer a proposal rather than just looking at something
23:10:34 <cwickert> inode0: since you started this discussion, what is your take?
23:10:38 <kaio_> cwickert: ++
23:11:36 <inode0> sorry, wasn't paying attention
23:11:36 <cwickert> I think what inode0 suggested is pretty much what we do already
23:12:11 <cwickert> inode0: what exactly is your problem with sponsoring event attendees or what are you trying to improve?
23:12:23 <inode0> no, almost everywhere the tickets are considered in the order they are opened and I'm begging us to stop that and find a better way
23:12:46 <cwickert> yes, but what do you suggest?
23:13:00 <cwickert> I mean, we try to do it this way already
23:13:10 <inode0> I suggested an initial review process leading to an order of consideration
23:13:36 <cwickert> would you mind writing down your ideas?
23:13:43 <inode0> I did in that thread
23:13:47 <cwickert> I very much agree, but we need something to start
23:13:53 <cwickert> then just link the relevant mail
23:14:10 <inode0> http://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/advisory-board/2012-February/011356.html
23:14:15 * cwickert did read the thread but doesn't recall an actual propsal
23:15:10 <cwickert> right, even you are saying this is what is in the wiki already
23:15:25 <cwickert> quote: "I don't have a suggestion about a criterion for who decides but I do have one for how they decide and that is explained in our current travel subsidy guidelines here: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Sponsoring_event_attendees"
23:15:47 <cwickert> then the problem is not the guidelines but that we don't really use them
23:16:04 <inode0> and in order to use that we can't just look at #1 and say yes or no and then go to #2
23:16:33 <cwickert> agreed, but that's not a proposal either ;)
23:16:41 <inode0> we need to weigh the advantages and disadvantages of all requests
23:17:15 <cwickert> a proposal is something like: "Have a deadline X weeks before the event and then review all requests"
23:17:18 <inode0> The rough proposal is two paragraphs below that
23:18:23 <cwickert> but that proposal does not address the problem of "first come, first served" you mentioned
23:18:45 <inode0> yes, it eliminates that issue
23:19:00 <cwickert> not really
23:19:10 <cwickert> say you deal with the requests when they appear
23:19:15 <inode0> we don't
23:19:23 <inode0> we deal with requests when a deadline comes
23:19:28 <cwickert> but that's not part of the propsal
23:19:31 <inode0> then we deal with all of them
23:19:40 <cwickert> it doesn't mention a deadline
23:19:52 <inode0> that was hammered and beat on through this conversation
23:20:04 <cwickert> this is why I would like you to outine it a bit and add it to the ticket
23:20:09 <cwickert> would that work for you?
23:21:16 * cwickert takes this as a yes :)
23:21:44 <cwickert> #action inode0 to outline his ideas in ticket 265 a little
23:21:59 <cwickert> ok, that's the last ticket we had on the agenda
23:22:14 <cwickert> lets review the action items from the last meeting
23:22:26 <cwickert> #topic Action items from previous meeting
23:22:34 <cwickert> http://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting/2012-02-22/famsco_2012-02-22.2012-02-22-22.00.html
23:22:42 <cwickert> DONE cwickert to write something about #250 to the ambassadors list
23:22:50 <cwickert> DONE cwickert to file a ticket about the new TM guidelines in order to have a common FAmSCo statement
23:23:02 <cwickert> NOT REALLY DONE kaio to add all details about previous discussions about FUDCon APAC 2012 to the ticket
23:23:17 <cwickert> but I think we have all info now, so there is nothing to follow up, kaio_
23:23:28 <cwickert> NOT DONE tatica to follow up on #259 and add the 'meeting' keyword again once FAmSCo can help
23:23:44 <cwickert> NOT DONE all FAmSCo members do bring up #250 in their regional meetings
23:23:51 <cwickert> ok, that's it
23:23:57 <kk4ewt> ?
23:24:01 <cwickert> kk4ewt: ?
23:24:01 <kaio_> ok
23:24:14 <kk4ewt> what FAmSco Member is in NA
23:24:25 <cwickert> kaio_: no problem, we have all info
23:24:31 <cwickert> kk4ewt: herlo, but he is not here today
23:25:14 <cwickert> kk4ewt: did you discuss swag in the FAmNA meeting?
23:25:31 <cwickert> seems for NA there is no problem, then there is not much to discuss
23:25:51 <cwickert> and there was feedback from the NA folks already
23:26:39 <cwickert> kk4ewt: question answered?
23:26:57 <cwickert> #topic Open Floor
23:26:59 * cwickert will close the meeting in 3 minutes if there are no more questions
23:27:20 <kk4ewt> cwickert:  thats my worry is that all of this messes up what is working
23:27:44 <cwickert> kk4ewt: don't worry, we are trying to learn from the communities where it works
23:27:52 * kk4ewt ==Southern_Gentlem
23:27:57 <cwickert> and not forcing anybody to change something
23:28:07 <cwickert> kk4ewt: ahh :)
23:28:12 <cwickert> nice to see you kk4ewt
23:30:42 <cwickert> alright...
23:30:45 <cwickert> #endmeeting