15:30:31 <gnokii> #startmeeting
15:30:31 <zodbot> Meeting started Thu Feb 23 15:30:31 2012 UTC.  The chair is gnokii. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.
15:30:31 <zodbot> Useful Commands: #action #agreed #halp #info #idea #link #topic.
15:30:45 * FranciscoD_ is here!!
15:30:50 <FranciscoD_> .fas FranciscoD_
15:30:50 <zodbot> FranciscoD_: 'FranciscoD_' Not Found!
15:30:53 <gnokii> #topic fedora video team meeting
15:31:00 <FranciscoD> .fas FranciscoD_
15:31:00 <zodbot> FranciscoD: 'FranciscoD_' Not Found!
15:31:05 <FranciscoD> .fas FranciscoD
15:31:08 * FranciscoD slaps himself
15:31:09 <zodbot> FranciscoD: ankursinha 'Ankur Sinha' <sanjay.ankur@gmail.com>
15:31:22 <graphite6> .fas graphitefriction
15:31:22 <zodbot> graphite6: graphitefriction 'Sarah White' <graphitefriction@gmail.com>
15:31:27 <zoltanh721> .fas zoltanh721
15:31:28 <zodbot> zoltanh721: zoltanh721 'Hoppár Zoltán' <hopparz@gmail.com>
15:31:52 <graphite6> hi gnokii, FranciscoD and zoltanh721!
15:32:03 <FranciscoD> hey graphite6 :)
15:32:05 <zoltanh721> hi guys and girls
15:32:23 <himam> hello ^_^
15:32:37 <vinzv> .fas vinz
15:32:38 <zodbot> vinzv: vinzstyle 'Vincent Bolinard' <vinzstyle@free.fr> - vinzpr 'vinzpr' <vinzpr@gmail.com> - nevinz 'Nevin Thomas' <nevintk@gmail.com> - dvinz 'vinz' <vinz.lynx@gmail.com> - kevinzzy 'kevinzzy' <leslie.zou@gmail.com> - vinz 'Vinzenz Vietzke' <vietzke@b1-systems.de>
15:32:43 <gnokii> #info agenda http://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting/2012-02-16/fedora-meeting.2012-02-16-15.24.html
15:33:04 <zoltanh721> tatica?
15:33:06 <gnokii> that is what tatica gave me as agenda for the meeting, so lets see and start
15:33:20 <gnokii> zoltanh721: she isnt there, she has another meeting
15:33:25 <zoltanh721> oh ok
15:33:27 <FranciscoD> lets go
15:33:30 <FranciscoD> as always
15:33:37 <zoltanh721> rocknroll
15:33:44 <FranciscoD> ! to speak, ? to question, eof when done
15:33:52 <FranciscoD> gnokii: please proceed :)
15:34:00 * FranciscoD sits on his stool and waits
15:34:16 <gnokii> thx FranciscoD for reminding all of that ;)
15:34:30 <FranciscoD> i dont want tatica scolding us :P
15:34:37 <gnokii> so lets look at the open tasks on the end, and question about the actually status
15:35:00 * jsmith joins late
15:35:16 <rbergeron> hi folks
15:35:27 <gnokii> thunderbirdtr FranciscoD and zoltanh7211 whats the status about the guidelines?
15:35:35 <mojavelinux> .fas mojavelinux
15:35:39 <zodbot> mojavelinux: mojavelinux 'Dan Allen' <dan.j.allen@gmail.com>
15:35:46 <tatica> sry, I need to leave
15:35:46 <FranciscoD> zoltanh721: and thunderbirdtr made a wiki page iirc
15:35:56 <tatica> please, make sure to talk about all topics on agenda
15:36:02 * tatica will read logs in a couple of hours
15:36:06 <FranciscoD> tatica: sure colonel :)
15:36:09 <tatica> YOU GUYS COMPLETELY ROX!
15:36:41 <gnokii> FranciscoD can u c&p the address of the page here?
15:36:44 <FranciscoD> this is what thunderbirdtr came up with: #link https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/User:Thunderbirdtr/how_to_submit_a_video
15:36:55 <FranciscoD> it's pretty broad
15:36:59 <FranciscoD> content wise
15:37:18 <FranciscoD> I wrote up another page that talks *only* about how someone should go about making and submitting videos
15:37:21 <FranciscoD> #link https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/User:Ankursinha/Videos_How_to_submit
15:37:28 <FranciscoD> both pages need to be reviewed
15:37:50 <FranciscoD> and information corrected/added/removed
15:37:51 <FranciscoD> eof
15:38:51 <gnokii> #info zoltanh721 thunderbirdtr FranciscoD worked on the pages https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/User:Thunderbirdtr/how_to_submit_a_video https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/User:Ankursinha/Videos_How_to_submit need a review
15:39:00 <gnokii> someone willing to review it?
15:39:08 <FranciscoD> !
15:39:25 * FranciscoD has something to add
15:39:26 <gnokii> FranciscoD:
15:39:43 <FranciscoD> The wiki in itself isn't very reader friendly
15:39:58 <FranciscoD> I was thinking of having a bunch of pictures explaining the process. How does that sound?
15:40:05 <FranciscoD> eof
15:40:08 <zoltanh721> !
15:40:29 <gnokii> FranciscoD: means that u like to rework them?
15:41:34 <FranciscoD> gnokii: well, convert all that text into images
15:41:40 <FranciscoD> although I'm no artist :P
15:41:42 <FranciscoD> eof
15:41:57 <gnokii> #action FranciscoD reworks the pages and illustrate the process of submitting/doing videos (with help of design team)
15:42:03 <gnokii> zoltanh721: ur turn
15:42:04 <zoltanh721> FranciscoD: I think would be better to have the first video / screencast instead of series of pictures
15:42:07 <zoltanh721> eof
15:42:08 <bckurera> clear
15:42:11 * FranciscoD notes that the entire process needs to be walked through to confirm correctness
15:42:22 <FranciscoD> zoltanh721: +1
15:42:37 <FranciscoD> anything media oriented, rather than just text I guess
15:42:47 <FranciscoD> eof
15:43:09 <bckurera> !
15:43:16 <gnokii> ok looks for me there should be done more work in gernerally "how to do it" ?
15:43:35 <gnokii> bckurera: ur turn
15:43:50 * niteshnarayanlal is late , sorry for that
15:43:51 <bckurera> I just join with the meeting
15:43:56 <jsmith> !
15:44:01 <bckurera> can anyone send me the log till now
15:44:02 <bckurera> thanks
15:44:03 <bckurera> eof
15:44:17 <gnokii> jsmith: ur turn
15:44:21 * jsmith will make some suggestions to make the videos more consistent
15:44:22 <jsmith> eof
15:44:25 <mojavelinux> by pictures, do you mean something like this: http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Special:UploadWizard
15:44:31 <mojavelinux> you need to be logged in to see the page I think
15:45:10 <FranciscoD> http://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting/2012-02-23/
15:45:59 * bckurera thanks FranciscoD
15:46:11 <gnokii> jsmith: so far as I see tatica worked on some stuff that the videos look consistent
15:46:49 <FranciscoD> !
15:46:58 <gnokii> FranciscoD: ur turn
15:47:32 <FranciscoD> well, upload wizard is the last step of the process mojavelinux
15:47:35 <FranciscoD> eof
15:47:48 <gnokii> FranciscoD: +1
15:47:59 <gnokii> so next in agenda
15:48:08 <gnokii> graphite6 whats the status of ur task? start message and welcome wiki - also on mail invitations
15:48:11 <mojavelinux> FranciscoD: got it, just wanted to make you aware of that model, they seem to have done quite a bit of usability testing for that new upload wizard
15:48:29 <graphite6> I put up a draft welcome and start
15:48:32 <graphite6> getting link
15:48:48 <niteshnarayanlal> !
15:48:55 <graphite6> https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Videos the first two headings
15:49:21 <graphite6> everybody should review them and edit them, and I have a few questions I came up with while writing it
15:50:03 <graphite6> Don't know if I should bring those questions up now or we add them to the agenda later?
15:50:17 <FranciscoD> !
15:50:29 <gnokii> graphite6: bring them now, we will see
15:50:37 <FranciscoD> +1
15:50:43 <zoltanh721> +1
15:50:45 <jsmith> +1
15:50:53 <graphite6> 1. Are podcasts (only audio) or slidedecks (no audio) included in this project? I'm not precisely sure what types of media "video" includes.
15:50:54 <FranciscoD> gnokii: can you please add the "everyone should..." thing as an action item?
15:51:14 <FranciscoD> and #chair graphite6 so she can use #info too :)?
15:51:37 <gnokii> good idea
15:51:41 <gnokii> #chair graphite6
15:51:41 <zodbot> Current chairs: gnokii graphite6
15:52:27 <bckurera> !
15:52:27 <FranciscoD> graphite6: sorry for the interruption, please proceed :)
15:52:46 <gnokii> graphite6: was that all?
15:53:21 <graphite6> #info 1. Are podcasts (only audio) or slidedecks (no audio) included in this project? I'm not precisely sure what types of media "video" includes.
15:53:49 <graphite6> #info  2. Are the videos strictly 'how-tos' and tutorials or will we consider any submission that talks about fedora in some way?
15:54:15 <graphite6> #info 3. I know we will have broad categories for browsing, but what about someone who is specifically looking for a video on how to set up their xx for xx with xx? I.e. Is there going to be a way to search the library?
15:54:18 <graphite6> eof
15:54:26 <FranciscoD> !
15:54:30 <zoltanh721> !
15:54:51 <gnokii> niteshnarayanlal ur turn
15:55:00 <niteshnarayanlal> graphite6,  2nd point
15:55:25 <niteshnarayanlal> if we have an howto video like how to use a particular application in fedora
15:55:32 <niteshnarayanlal> or how to install a thing
15:56:03 <niteshnarayanlal> then I think we are referring to fedora related videos only when we come to how to
15:56:19 <niteshnarayanlal> another thing which I would like to add is
15:56:21 <niteshnarayanlal> as I was discussing with graphite6  tatica MarkDude and others , we were thinking to have an intro video (really short one )but has to be really catchy
15:56:25 <niteshnarayanlal> eof
15:56:31 <mojavelinux> !
15:56:32 <gnokii> FranciscoD ur turn
15:56:38 <FranciscoD> Addressing each point
15:56:43 <FranciscoD> 1. Are slide decks = presentations, like pdfs? If so, I wouldn't include them. Podcasts are already in motion iirc.
15:56:55 <FranciscoD> 2. Videos can be anything related to Fedora
15:57:02 <FranciscoD> rather, anything related to FOSS
15:57:13 <bckurera> x
15:57:40 <FranciscoD> 3. We don't have a very advanced search tool yet. I'm hoping the hosting location, such as archive.org, will have advanced search
15:57:50 * FranciscoD goes to check archive.org
15:57:52 <FranciscoD> eof
15:57:54 <gnokii> bckurera: ur turn
15:58:19 <bckurera> FranciscoD said what I wanted to share
15:58:23 <bckurera> i ll add later thanks
15:58:25 <bckurera> eof
15:58:26 <FranciscoD> http://www.archive.org/advancedsearch.php
15:58:32 * FranciscoD sits back down
15:58:42 <gnokii> ok zoltanh721  is urs now
15:59:23 <gnokii> zoltanh721: ?
15:59:25 <zoltanh721> Mostly what is Francisc has said but for search I would like to suggest update of our search possibility
15:59:26 <graphite61> sorry, my house just lost electricity, I'm back online now
15:59:38 <zoltanh721> within start.fpo
15:59:48 <zoltanh721> if it's possible somehow
15:59:51 <FranciscoD> !
15:59:52 <zoltanh721> eof
16:00:10 <gnokii> ok then let me say fast what I think of that questions
16:01:09 <gnokii> 1. I would not exclude podcasts sound there (there will be not a lot) presentations, when the are done as video and are after the guidelines, they should be taken
16:01:36 <FranciscoD> +1 presentations done as videos
16:01:42 <niteshnarayanlal> +1
16:01:48 <gnokii> 2. there was already a discussion about that and so far I see there was a section for videos lik "from fudcon" and such stuff
16:02:10 <gnokii> 3. there was the possibility tagging the videos already discussed
16:02:22 <gnokii> FranciscoD: ur turn
16:02:27 <FranciscoD> #action Talk to websites team about having a fedora videos search function on start.fp.o
16:02:30 <FranciscoD> eof ;)
16:02:52 <gnokii> #action FranciscoD Talk to websites team about having a fedora videos search function on start.fp.o
16:02:59 <FranciscoD> XD
16:03:02 <gnokii> ok then next on agenda
16:03:08 <niteshnarayanlal> !
16:03:52 <gnokii> all topics are covered they had someone who take care of it
16:04:21 <gnokii> there are 2 unsigned open:     Formalize a Step by Step guide on how summit a video   Formalize a Step by Step guide on how to make a fedora video
16:04:43 <graphite6> sorry, having internet problems here, reading logs now
16:04:45 <gnokii> niteshnarayanlal: ur turn
16:05:05 <niteshnarayanlal> I was saying about the intro thing , if anyone interested to take it up
16:05:16 <niteshnarayanlal> or else MarkDude is willing to do that
16:05:40 <niteshnarayanlal> eof
16:05:43 <FranciscoD> !
16:06:12 <gnokii> niteshnarayanlal: so far I see tatica liked to prepare something for that, but cant ask her because she isnt there ;)
16:06:25 <gnokii> FranciscoD ur turn
16:06:36 <niteshnarayanlal> gnokii,  I really liked the ways http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JmvCpR45LKA is done
16:06:44 * niteshnarayanlal sits back
16:07:04 <FranciscoD> my page already takes care of the step by step guides, doesnt it?
16:07:11 <FranciscoD> of both?
16:07:18 <FranciscoD> eof
16:07:30 <niteshnarayanlal> !
16:07:51 <mojavelinux1> !
16:08:00 <gnokii> ok graphite6 was the answers already enough for you?
16:08:13 <graphite6> yes
16:08:25 <gnokii> ok niteshnarayanlal
16:08:28 <graphite6> one more part to my tasks though
16:08:45 * niteshnarayanlal was thinking that we may have a video for the guidelines too namely explaining step by step procedure to submit the video
16:09:08 <FranciscoD> niteshnarayanlal: been discussed above
16:09:15 <graphite6> !
16:09:15 <gnokii> FranciscoD: +1
16:09:43 <gnokii> niteshnarayanlal: eof?
16:09:47 <niteshnarayanlal> sorry
16:09:48 <niteshnarayanlal> eof
16:10:01 <gnokii> mojavelinux1 ur turn now
16:10:27 <mojavelinux1> so it seems like we are talking about two different types of intro videos
16:10:43 <mojavelinux1> one as discussed above is the final output of having a step by step guide to submit
16:10:55 <mojavelinux1> the other is a call to action to come submit videos, which is what the xda developer videos is like
16:11:13 <mojavelinux1> i like that video style, but the tone of the voice is way too sharp
16:11:23 <mojavelinux1> eof
16:11:36 <gnokii> ok graphite6
16:11:45 <graphite6> Started a draft for the email requesting submissions (would be something people could use on their blogs)
16:11:47 <niteshnarayanlal> +1 for the last point mojavelinux1
16:11:52 <graphite6> https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/User:Graphitefriction/Videos
16:11:58 <FranciscoD> !
16:12:05 <graphite6> it needs work
16:12:26 <mojavelinux1> #link https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/User:Graphitefriction/Videos
16:12:29 <graphite6> and to be added/completed when submission guidelines donw
16:12:33 * mojavelinux1 just wanted to add link to minutes
16:12:45 <gnokii> guys
16:12:49 <FranciscoD> brb
16:12:56 <graphite6> eof
16:13:07 * FranciscoD back
16:13:24 <gnokii> #info graphite6 prepared a call for video text https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/User:Graphitefriction/Videos
16:13:38 <gnokii> FranciscoD: ur turn
16:13:48 <FranciscoD> I just want to put a clarification in the logs:
16:14:10 <FranciscoD> When we say "intro", we're referring to the "template" that we will add to each video.
16:14:14 <FranciscoD> "Branding" if you will.
16:14:57 <FranciscoD> Lets not refer to the videos related to calling for submissions and the how to make a video as intro videos. It will create confusion.
16:15:15 <FranciscoD> "How to make a fedora video" is a good enough, clear name for such a video
16:15:19 <niteshnarayanlal> +1
16:15:24 <graphite6> +1
16:15:25 <FranciscoD> which will also have an intro
16:15:33 <FranciscoD> so I hope you see the difference
16:15:34 <zoltanh721> +1 F
16:15:34 <FranciscoD> clearly
16:15:35 <FranciscoD> eof
16:15:42 <gnokii> +1
16:15:43 <mojavelinux1> +1
16:15:58 * FranciscoD wishes he got these many +1s on g+ XD
16:16:16 <gnokii> on the intro I hope tatica comes not up with such fancy stuff, it makes it only harder to produce videos
16:16:35 <gnokii> so time for open floor
16:16:49 <FranciscoD> !
16:17:05 <gnokii> FranciscoD: shoot
16:17:20 <FranciscoD> i dont think the complexity of what tatica comes up will matter
16:17:55 <FranciscoD> Ultimately, the video submitted will be appended at the back of the intro (customized to the particular video) and then published
16:18:09 <FranciscoD> although we need to do all of this and confirm each step
16:18:23 <FranciscoD> we are still looking at the entire process theoritically
16:18:31 <FranciscoD> and theory and experimentation do differ :)
16:18:32 <FranciscoD> eof
16:19:02 <FranciscoD> s/experimentation/practice
16:19:34 <FranciscoD> gnokii: open floor then?
16:19:40 <gnokii> mom
16:19:55 <FranciscoD> where?
16:20:07 * FranciscoD looks around
16:20:09 <gnokii> #link tatica take a look what jimmac prepared for the openSUSE screencasts once http://gitorious.org/opensuse/art/trees/master/screencasts
16:20:11 <niteshnarayanlal> :)
16:20:15 <gnokii> so now open floor
16:20:20 <FranciscoD> !
16:20:25 <gnokii> FranciscoD: shoot
16:20:30 <FranciscoD> Here's the thing
16:20:43 <FranciscoD> I'd like everyone in the project to go ahead and actually make a video
16:20:50 <FranciscoD> #task *everyone* make a video
16:20:52 <FranciscoD> why?
16:20:52 <niteshnarayanlal> +1
16:20:57 <FranciscoD> well, testing
16:21:04 <graphite6> +1
16:21:05 <niteshnarayanlal> !
16:21:07 <mojavelinux1> +1 I've been itching to do that since I first heard the idea
16:21:07 <FranciscoD> we need the entire process documented, streamlined
16:21:21 <FranciscoD> if more people make videos
16:21:28 <FranciscoD> on different hardware, software
16:21:29 <zoltanh721> http://zoltanh721.fedorapeople.org/Fedora%20-%20Join%20(640x480).mp4.tar.xz
16:21:36 <FranciscoD> with different styles,
16:21:46 <FranciscoD> we'll run into more issues before the public begins to flood us
16:22:03 <FranciscoD> and this will certainly help us later, certainly prevent panic
16:22:08 <FranciscoD> also might give us a FAQ page
16:22:14 <FranciscoD> lots of advantages
16:22:21 <FranciscoD> so please, pick a topic, make a video
16:22:27 <mojavelinux1> !
16:22:29 <FranciscoD> #info document each step
16:22:34 <FranciscoD> #info document each issue
16:22:43 <FranciscoD> #info document each solution
16:22:48 <FranciscoD> and the rest
16:22:49 <FranciscoD> eof
16:22:59 <gnokii> mojavelinux1: ur trun
16:23:02 <gnokii> turn
16:23:37 <graphite6> +1 to all of FranciscoD's steps
16:23:42 <mojavelinux1> I think we should have an ideas page, just a running list of video topics we might want to create and that will help give people an idea of where to start
16:24:11 <FranciscoD> +1 idea dump
16:24:17 <gnokii> ok, think both have right so mojavelinux1 would u prepare such a list?
16:24:25 <mojavelinux1> for instance, bullet points might be "how to use workspaces", "how to setup empathy and log into Fedora IRC channels"
16:24:51 <mojavelinux1> yep, I will create a page for video submission ideas
16:25:22 <gnokii> #action mojavelinux1 prepare a list with topics for videos
16:25:22 <mojavelinux1> and these are specific ideas, not just categories
16:25:37 <FranciscoD> quite a few ideas here already, can pick from here mojavelinux1 #link https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Classroom#Suggest_a_class
16:25:38 <mojavelinux1> get's people thinking, helps us share ideas so we don't have to beat our head thinking about what to screencast
16:25:39 <mojavelinux1> eof
16:25:58 <gnokii> #action all pic a video from that list and do a video for testing the process of doing videos
16:26:34 <mojavelinux1> cool, okay, I can add to that list
16:26:59 * FranciscoD calls dibs on VIM since /me did a classroom on it already
16:27:20 <mojavelinux1> +1 vim rules
16:27:35 <gnokii> ok is there something else? I dont want editor flames ;)
16:27:46 <niteshnarayanlal> !
16:27:55 <gnokii> niteshnarayanlal: shoot
16:28:10 <niteshnarayanlal> I think we all should  be doing atleast a video till we meet again in the next meeting
16:28:29 <niteshnarayanlal> as if the videos making has to be started , then it must be started from us .
16:28:33 <niteshnarayanlal> eof
16:28:46 <FranciscoD> +1 have atleast a short video by the next meeting
16:28:51 <graphite6> +1
16:28:53 <gnokii> niteshnarayanlal: for that was the #action ;)
16:28:57 <mojavelinux1> +1 lead by doing
16:29:16 <zoltanh721> get things done (tm)
16:29:45 <gnokii> ok, is there another point?
16:30:34 <FranciscoD> nope
16:30:35 * FranciscoD is done
16:30:36 <niteshnarayanlal> gnokii, I don't think  , since everyone is quite  :)
16:30:47 <gnokii> ok then I should end the meeting
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16:30:56 * FranciscoD will post logs to list
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16:31:05 <FranciscoD> #action FranciscoD post logs to list
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16:31:26 <gnokii> #endmeeting