19:00:24 <gholms> #startmeeting Cloud SIG (17 Feb 2012)
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19:00:34 <gholms> #topic Roll call
19:00:40 <gholms> #meetingname cloud
19:00:40 <zodbot> The meeting name has been set to 'cloud'
19:00:43 <gholms> #chair rbergeron
19:00:44 <zodbot> Current chairs: gholms rbergeron
19:01:03 <gholms> rbergeron is currently driving, so you will have to settle for me for the time being. :)
19:01:06 <gholms> Who's here?
19:01:35 * rbergeron is here
19:01:43 <gholms> O... HAI
19:01:46 <rbergeron> HAI!
19:02:09 <gholms> Anyone else?
19:02:12 <rackerjoe> Joe Breu from Rackspace Cloud Builders
19:02:23 <gholms> Welcome, rackerjoe
19:02:34 <rbergeron> wait, are you related to rackerhacker by first name :)
19:03:08 <rackerjoe> Related by place of employment only :)
19:03:32 * kkeithley is here
19:03:34 <rbergeron> rackerjoe: :)
19:03:37 <rbergeron> kkeithley! hi :)
19:03:46 * rbergeron will let the crowd gather a minute
19:04:12 <rackerjoe> I am on the team inside of Rackspace that performs installations of OpenStack inside of our DCs and also at customer DCs.
19:04:26 <rbergeron> obino and mull :)
19:04:37 <rbergeron> rackerjoe: ah, nice, well. welcome :)
19:04:57 <rbergeron> Well: I'll get started, and we'll see who else shows up.
19:05:04 <rbergeron> #topic Eucalyptus
19:05:11 <rbergeron> I like putting mull on the spot.
19:05:12 <rbergeron> :)
19:05:18 <obino> lol
19:05:19 <rbergeron> mull: how's packaging-land going?
19:05:24 * rbergeron waves at obino
19:05:24 <gholms> You just hilighted spot, too.
19:05:29 <rbergeron> oh.
19:05:31 <mull> rbergeron, it's awesome
19:05:33 <gholms> :)
19:05:38 <rbergeron> well, he's used to me bugging him anyway :)
19:05:39 <mull> I have totally rewritten our page
19:05:40 <spot> rbergeron: you rang?
19:05:56 <rbergeron> spot: not intentionally, but i send my hugs and care for wh :)
19:06:03 <spot> aww, thanks.
19:06:11 <mull> and we really only have a dozen or so packages left
19:06:11 <rbergeron> mull: orly
19:06:21 <rbergeron> i saw you have applied for provenpackager
19:06:33 <mull> and some of those are just blocked on existing reviews
19:06:34 <rbergeron> #info only a dozen or so packages left for euca till it's fully baked
19:06:34 <gholms> Bwuh?
19:06:34 * aarapov is lurking
19:07:00 <mull> also, the ovirt team has most of the same reqs we do (spring, gwt, jboss), so they are now helping
19:07:05 <rbergeron> i don't know if that's suppoed to be sekrit and if it is i just failed, but oh well, i'm sure y'all can forgive me
19:07:08 <rbergeron> mull: yeah
19:07:23 * rbergeron wondres how jboss is going, haven't talked to mgoldmann in a bit
19:07:27 <mull> rbergeron, the fesco issue is certainly not sekrit
19:07:33 <mull> but the commentary is
19:07:37 <aarapov> #info
19:07:50 <rbergeron> mull: indeed
19:08:02 <rbergeron> mull: did you rewrite the feature page or something else?
19:08:04 * rbergeron is looking now
19:08:08 * ke4qqq shows up
19:08:16 <mull> rbergeron, soryr, the packaging progress page
19:08:23 <mull> https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Eucalyptus
19:08:35 <mull> I rewrote it to reflect remaining work
19:08:40 * tdawson sneaks into the meeting.
19:08:43 <mull> instead of listing all 150 jars we depend on
19:08:45 <rbergeron> #info packaging progress page for euca has been rewritten to reflect remaining work
19:09:07 * rbergeron waves hi to ke4qqq and tdawson
19:09:33 <rbergeron> mull: so i guess the million dollar question is "how soonish do you think?" (while bearing in mind i'm not like OMG HURRY)
19:09:42 <rbergeron> just... putting my finger in the wind and all
19:09:49 <mull> so, the goal is to get spring and mule submitted next week, and at that point the only thing stopping us will be gholms's axis2c and rampartc packages.  :-)
19:10:05 <gholms> I pinged spot about axis2c today.
19:10:06 <ke4qqq> mull: ehcache-core?
19:10:16 <mull> ke4qqq, yeah, that'll get done by next week
19:10:19 <jforbes> gholms: axis2c has issues?
19:10:31 <mull> jforbes, FHS issues, I think
19:10:45 * ke4qqq and Sparks will be happy to help esp wrt to ehcahce-core and it's deps as thats our last dep.
19:10:48 <gholms> I solved the FHS issues using a large amount of symbolic links and duct tape.
19:10:55 <mull> gholms, cool
19:11:02 <gholms> The only remaining concern is the .so files that it dlopens.
19:11:05 <gholms> s/is/are/
19:11:13 <rbergeron> #info ehcache-core expected by next week; axis2c has some possible FHS issues that gholms is working with s p o t
19:11:22 <gholms> Heh
19:11:32 <rbergeron> :D
19:11:42 <rbergeron> mull: you're rockin', dude.
19:11:52 <mull> so, I should be clear that what I expect next week is that we should be able to build a functional euca package with the web ui and reporting module disabled
19:11:58 <mull> but it will be functional
19:12:02 <rbergeron> dare i ask if there will be a test day or not yet :)
19:12:07 <mull> UI will get enabled when gwt lands
19:12:09 <gholms> $dayjob prioritization be damned, I am going to do the wss4j review today.
19:12:24 <mull> rbergeron, ask me next week.  :)
19:12:37 <rbergeron> #info expectation is that by next weekish we should be able to build a functional euca pkg with web ui and reporting module disabled; UI will get enabled with gwt lands
19:13:00 <mull> I think that's all my updates for this week
19:13:01 <rbergeron> #action rbergeron to harass, er, ask mull gently about euca test day in hte next meeting
19:13:06 <rbergeron> mull: thanks, yo! :)
19:13:19 <rbergeron> #topic Cloudstack
19:13:31 * rbergeron spins the wheel of fate in the general direction of ke4qqq and sparks
19:13:55 * rbergeron hopes that fate involves a response ;)
19:13:57 <ke4qqq> bleh - we have one remaining dep - it just has plenty of deps itself. fortunately it's a shared dep with euca, so we are collaborating on the deps/reviews
19:14:13 <ke4qqq> ehcache-core is the remaining dep
19:14:27 <rbergeron> #info one remaining dep - with lots of deps itself, but is shared with euca, so they are collaborating. (ehcache-core)
19:14:45 <rbergeron> so the hope there is also in the next few weeks?
19:15:04 <ke4qqq> I had hoped to make more packaging progress this week, but will be spending next week on packaging as well in hopes of at least having cloudstack packaged and in a decent shape to be reviewed next week.
19:15:36 <rbergeron> ke4qqq: cool. thank you :)
19:15:58 <rbergeron> #info hoping to make more progress on packaging next week, to the point of being packaged and in decent shape to be reviewed.
19:16:22 <rbergeron> #topic gluster/heka-land
19:16:35 * rbergeron looks at kkeithley and jdarcy to see what's up
19:16:40 <rbergeron> (if anything)
19:16:55 <jdarcy> Not much concrete at this end (I'm at FAST).
19:17:22 <jdarcy> Lots of good discussions, ideas about things like dedup and erasure codes, but that's about it.
19:17:35 <rbergeron> #action jdarcy to tell johnmark that he should take jdarcy to dinner
19:17:46 <rbergeron> :D
19:17:52 <jdarcy> Oh, and I might have found some people willing to write translators.
19:17:59 <rbergeron> jdarcy: ah, very cool.
19:18:08 <rbergeron> you know that might make some interesting documentation to have in fedora-land as well :)
19:18:15 <jdarcy> I hear Pittsburgh is lovely at other times of the year.  ;)
19:18:53 <rbergeron> lol
19:18:59 <jdarcy> rbergeron: Yeah, I really want to get it off hekafs.org, if it's useful to gluster.org and/or fedoraproject.org that's great.
19:19:12 <jforbes> documentation? In fedora-land?
19:19:21 <rbergeron> jforbes: little-known fact:
19:19:34 <jdarcy> jforbes: Don't worry, GlusterFS documentation sucks just as hard.
19:19:38 <rbergeron> http://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/Fedora_Draft_Documentation/0.1/html/Cloud_Guide/index.html
19:20:16 * rbergeron sees it may need work as sheepdog and gluster/heka fs are listed as IaaS
19:20:35 <rbergeron> and unless those are "incrediblyawesome as a service" i'm pretty sure it's not the right spot
19:20:40 <rbergeron> er
19:20:40 <rbergeron> place
19:20:46 <rbergeron> (god, he's going to kick my ass)
19:20:59 <ke4qqq> you'd think the docs czar would know better - working for a cloud project and all
19:20:59 <jdarcy> Hand Waving as a Service
19:21:24 <rbergeron> ke4qqq: i am not sure if jsmith did this or sparks
19:21:28 <rbergeron> or some combo of both
19:21:34 <jdarcy> Seriously, nothing from kkeithley?  When the cat's away...
19:21:37 <ke4qqq> ahhh figured it was sparks, but could be mistaken
19:21:44 <kkeithley> I'm here
19:21:54 <kkeithley> fighting with gerrit and jenkins
19:22:10 <jdarcy> Ew.  Anything I might be able to help with?
19:22:19 <kkeithley> I'm going to Connectathon next week, but I already reported that a week or two ago
19:22:37 <kkeithley> no, I finally got it to build on jenkins, gcc-3.4 :-(
19:22:41 <rbergeron> kkeithley: if you need any fedora swag, lmk, i can probably point you to a person who has some in westford :)
19:23:03 * rbergeron is always happy to help y'all pimp us out
19:23:04 <jdarcy> Crap, we really do need to update those build machines.
19:23:18 <kkeithley> yeah, tell me now because I'll be headed home shortly
19:23:22 <rbergeron> okay. /me is going to move onwards ;)
19:23:38 <rbergeron> jdarcy, kkeithley: thanks, and enjoy the rest of fast and the whole of connectathon, respectively
19:23:44 <rbergeron> #topic EC2
19:23:45 <kkeithley> ty
19:23:52 <rbergeron> I don't know that we have anything huge to report here.
19:23:57 <rbergeron> mdomsch: pingy?
19:24:25 * rbergeron holds the ping for a moment
19:24:52 <rbergeron> I think things are decent here; we'll probably want to give alpha a run when it's aliiiiive and make sure that it's still functioning after all the /usrmove fun and etc
19:25:37 <rbergeron> and since nobody has any commentary i'll move on to my next subject
19:25:39 <rbergeron> :D
19:25:46 <rbergeron> #topic OpenStack
19:25:59 * rbergeron is not sure if any of the openstack peeps are around, but
19:26:05 <kkeithley> btw, I loaded f17 in a kvm guest and built glusterfs on it
19:26:12 <rackerjoe> Just me from the RCB team at Rackspace
19:26:15 <rbergeron> kkeithley: did it blend?
19:26:22 <rbergeron> rackerjoe: hello, again! :)
19:26:43 <rackerjoe> Our team currently is building packages for our deployments but we want to focus more on operational fixes to OpenStack and less on packaging
19:26:52 * rbergeron just wanted to check in on some of the progress of https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Features/OpenStack_Essex
19:27:04 <rbergeron> rackerjoe: we have a, um, small army of people working on getting it all in fedora.
19:27:12 <rackerjoe> so we want to get involved with getting good stable packages out there that we can start deploying in customer environments
19:27:14 <rbergeron> diablo is in, but kind of prepping for essex, and some other related things.
19:27:29 * russellb is here
19:27:35 <rbergeron> russellb: HI
19:27:42 <russellb> we have updated Nova and Glance to Essex so far
19:28:05 <russellb> rackerjoe: we'd love to collaborate on the packages :-)
19:28:45 <rbergeron> russellb: i know you guys have a test day planned for 3/8, is there any help you need with that, be it advertising (i'm good at that) or otherwise (others might be more helpful, lol) ?
19:28:47 <ke4qqq> russellb: I see apevec building stuff for swift (bringing it closer to up to date, but don't see any Fedora builds, just epel.) whats up with that (or am I just missing things?)
19:29:09 <rbergeron> #info Nova and Glance are updated to Essex so far
19:29:17 <gholms> Mind if I ask a silly question related to that?
19:29:25 <russellb> ke4qqq: hm, I don't know.  he may have just been working on some dependency issues.  I don't know of any reason he wouldn't update Fedora.
19:29:31 <rbergeron> gholms: go for it
19:29:37 <ke4qqq> russellb: bah I take it back, I just searched and saw some f17 builds
19:29:41 <gholms> Where do I find what actual version corresponds to $release_name?
19:29:41 <ke4qqq> /ignore me
19:29:42 <russellb> ah, k
19:29:43 <rbergeron> though i'm sure it's not me you're minding?
19:29:55 <russellb> gholms: heh, I guess it's not obvious ...
19:29:58 <gholms> People say "essex" and I have no idea how to tell what a package actually is.
19:30:02 <russellb> Essex == 2012.1
19:30:10 <gholms> Is there a wiki page or something for that?
19:30:22 <ke4qqq> gholms: magic 8 ball :)
19:30:29 <rbergeron> wiki.russellbsbrain.awesome
19:30:32 <rbergeron> :D
19:30:36 <gholms> ke4qqq: Ask again later
19:30:55 <russellb> gholms: not that i know of ...
19:31:02 <rackerjoe> Do you have a working packaged keystone and dashboard as of yet?
19:31:02 <gholms> Okay. :(
19:31:25 <russellb> rackerjoe: working on it very hard.  keystone is packaged ... but not updated to the new keystone yet, since that was *just* merged, but we will have it
19:31:33 <mull> gholms, It's epoch + (ord($letter_release) * (release cycle)) right?
19:31:40 <mull> easy as pie
19:31:48 <russellb> actually, I think horizon was added already
19:31:53 <russellb> for Fedora 17
19:32:06 <rbergeron> rackerjoe: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/OpenStack has most of the .. details on what's in, out, in progress (assuming the page is up to date), etc.
19:32:30 <russellb> http://koji.fedoraproject.org/koji/buildinfo?buildID=297684
19:32:34 <russellb> horizon build ^^^
19:32:45 <russellb> well, top level package is actually openstack-horizon
19:33:10 <russellb> so yeah, I haven't tried it yet, but it's in :)
19:33:50 * rbergeron notes she is thinking of trying to obtain a fedora booth at the conference portoin of the openstack summit/conference (assuming i could do so for an amount that is not TEN THOUSAND DOLLARS)
19:34:02 <rbergeron> since others have a booth full of shiny and collateral there
19:34:12 <rackerjoe> excellent.  I'll grab those packages and do a local install to test operability
19:34:20 <rbergeron> (and i'm not kidding about ten thousand dollars either :()
19:34:36 <russellb> rackerjoe: great!  please email me with how it goes.  rbryant@redhat.com
19:35:15 <russellb> so to what degree are you guys using RHEL / Fedora?
19:36:13 <rackerjoe> At this time we are using Ubuntu for our deployments but almost every install that we have done customers have asked for a rhel option which we haven't been able to provide yet
19:36:27 <rackerjoe> And Rackspace is a pretty big user of RHEL to start with
19:36:54 <rbergeron> "rackspace: we have more RHCEs than red hat does"
19:37:03 <russellb> cool, well give the EPEL packages a try.
19:37:18 <rackerjoe> Our ultimate goal is to work with the distros and get their packages to a state where we can deploy on any OS.  I personally prefer RedHat myself :)
19:37:40 <rackerjoe> I don't think we can claim we have more RHCEs anymore :)
19:37:51 <russellb> well we are certainly working hard toward that same goal
19:38:02 <rbergeron> lol
19:38:31 <russellb> so any feedback you guys have on the packages would be great to hear.
19:38:57 <rackerjoe> Will do.
19:38:58 <russellb> horizon isn't in EPEL yet, but it will be once we update EPEL to essex.
19:40:11 <rbergeron> okay. ready to move on?
19:40:42 * rbergeron will move on to...
19:40:56 <rbergeron> #topic Any other business? aka Open Floor
19:42:27 <rbergeron> anyone, anyone.
19:42:28 <rbergeron> :)
19:42:34 <ke4qqq> one thing
19:43:06 <ke4qqq> if you are interested in hacking on Xen - there's a Xen hackathon at the Oracle Campus March 6-8
19:43:09 * ke4qqq looks for link
19:43:18 <ke4qqq> http://blog.xen.org/index.php/2012/01/05/oracle-hosted-xen-hackathon/
19:43:35 <ke4qqq> so if you are in the bay area and are interested - feel free to come along
19:43:49 * ke4qqq thinks glusterfs folks are showing up
19:44:18 <ke4qqq> EOF
19:44:39 <rbergeron> #info Xen hackathon at the Oracle Campus March 6 - 8
19:45:26 <rbergeron> #info http://blog.xen.org/index.php/2012/01/05/oracle-hosted-xen-hackathon/
19:45:33 * rbergeron thinks links get sucked into meetbot anyway
19:45:52 <rbergeron> #info feel free to come along, says ke4qqq
19:46:04 <rbergeron> annnnnyone else?
19:46:09 * rbergeron wonders if XAPI will be getting hacked on there?
19:46:18 <rbergeron> (or packaging thereof)
19:47:10 <gholms> [Everyone stares at rbergeron]
19:47:17 <rbergeron> hey now, don't do that ;)
19:47:18 <ke4qqq> it's already in progress - but yes that's one of the tasks
19:47:20 * rbergeron looks around
19:47:31 <rbergeron> well then.
19:47:34 <rbergeron> THANKS FOR COMING YO
19:47:43 * rbergeron salutes you all for hard work and kicking ass
19:47:52 <rbergeron> see you guys next week.
19:47:55 <rbergeron> #endmeeting