05:00:38 <tagoh> #startmeeting i18n
05:00:38 <zodbot> Meeting started Thu Feb 16 05:00:38 2012 UTC.  The chair is tagoh. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.
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05:00:40 <tagoh> #meetingname i18n
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05:00:45 <tagoh> %topic agenda and roll call
05:00:50 <tagoh> #topic agenda and roll call
05:00:57 <tagoh> https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/I18N/Meetings/2012-02-16
05:01:16 <tagoh> time to have i18n meeting
05:01:33 <anish_> hi
05:03:18 <dueno> hi
05:03:47 <fujiwarat> hi
05:04:01 <epico_laptop> hi
05:06:11 <juhp> hi
05:07:09 <tagoh> okay, let's get started then.
05:07:17 <tagoh> #topic F17
05:09:10 <tagoh> well, the alpha change deadline was two days ago, RC2 is now available.
05:09:53 <tagoh> we should change the target to beta so far if there are anything.
05:10:58 <tagoh> most our features are still not 100% complete. please update what's going on and share if there are any issues hard to accomplish it.
05:11:56 <jni> hi
05:12:26 <tagoh> anish_: how about english-typing-booster?
05:13:01 <anish_> yes it working very well. i will mark as 100% completion
05:13:12 <tagoh> anish_: cool
05:14:14 <tagoh> jni: guess only concern is the review though
05:14:29 <jni> tagoh, yeah, still not get feedback
05:14:57 <dingyichen> hi
05:15:12 <tagoh> if anyone can take it over, that would be helpful though...
05:15:58 <tagoh> epico_laptop: how about libpinyin ?
05:16:44 <pravins> hi
05:16:54 <tagoh> pravins: hi
05:16:54 <epico_laptop> libpinyin 0.5.91 got into f17.
05:17:04 <tagoh> great
05:17:12 <epico_laptop> and improves the ibus-pinyin.spec
05:17:13 <epico_laptop> thanks
05:18:34 <tagoh> epico_laptop: what do you need to do anything else to make your feature 100% completion?
05:18:55 <epico_laptop> maybe fixes bugs.
05:19:00 <epico_laptop> change it to 95%?
05:19:21 <tagoh> what kind of bugs do you have?
05:19:54 * epico_laptop waits for bugs from users.
05:20:42 <tagoh> is it so important to consider the contingency plan if any?
05:21:00 <epico_laptop> currently not
05:21:14 <epico_laptop> most old bugs are fixed, or work around it.
05:21:28 <tagoh> then good to mark it as 100%.
05:21:32 <juhp> feature complete doesn't necessarily mean bugfree :)
05:21:39 <epico_laptop> ok, update it now
05:21:54 <epico_laptop> thanks, I see.
05:22:17 <tagoh> pravins: how about the additional indic langs?
05:22:39 <pravins> tagoh: yes, Santali and Manipuri locales are now in Fedora rawhide
05:22:46 <tagoh> cool
05:22:54 <pravins> i am reporting fontconfig upstream bugs in Fedora
05:23:02 <pravins> plan is to create tracker bug for feature
05:23:20 <tagoh> I see
05:23:24 <pravins> but for some fontconfig bugs need to create patch and also need to provide valid references
05:23:49 <pravins> presently fontconfig bugs going to mclasen :)
05:24:10 <pravins> tagoh: dunno at the end can we make it as a blocker for feature
05:25:04 <tagoh> guess not
05:25:38 <pravins> no props
05:27:27 <tagoh> pravins: however if it meets any criteria you can propose. please read the release criteria on wiki
05:27:38 <pravins> yes, sure
05:28:00 <tagoh> how about unicode 6.0 ?
05:28:00 <pravins> Beta change deadline is 2012-03-20, so i think by that time everything should be in Fedora, right?
05:28:37 <pravins> working in Lohit upstream, next week will release it.
05:29:03 <juhp> actually features should be in by Alpha
05:29:20 <juhp> and then polish for Beta
05:29:28 <tagoh> pravins: yes, but all of accepted feature should be available in alpha.
05:30:19 <pravins> how much time do i have for pushing it to Alpha?
05:30:53 <tagoh> deadline was Tuesday this week :(
05:31:25 <pravins> no props, we have some part of feature already in.
05:32:10 <pravins> but by Beta, will try to complete it 100%
05:32:11 <tagoh> I guess the feature owners should had a notification via email for imcompletion.
05:34:39 <juhp> maybe have to see how much can be done by Alpha release time?
05:34:39 <tagoh> btw the amount of rawhide bugs is about to over 100 now. we should change the focus to bug fixing now.
05:34:49 <juhp> oh
05:35:44 <pravins> juhp: good idea, Zero day update. 28 Feb is Alpha release. I think by that time we will have Unicode 6.0 ready
05:35:59 <pravins> and Additional language also in good shape
05:36:43 <tagoh> and good to think about docbeats for beta too.
05:36:53 <tagoh> https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Documentation_I18n_Beat
05:37:22 <tagoh> wiki freeze is 12th of March.
05:39:09 <tagoh> I think the features will be caught up by alpha though, need to fill it with others if any.
05:39:42 <paragan> we can add there newly added locale info
05:40:27 <tagoh> is it something not provided in the feature page?
05:41:38 <tagoh> anyway, feel free to update the wiki if you think it's useful information for relnotes. we could polish it later.
05:41:45 <tagoh> anything else for f17?
05:44:03 <pravin_s> paragan: yes, need to update that page
05:44:43 <paragan> ok
05:44:47 <paragan> will do that
05:45:09 <tagoh> okay, let's move on then.
05:45:11 <pravin_s> paragan: thanks, i will create tracker bug today
05:45:18 <tagoh> #topic Input Methods
05:45:31 <tagoh> any updates or concerns to share?
05:46:22 <anish_> submitted package ibus-hunspell-table for review
05:46:34 <fujiwarat> ibus-1.4.1-1.fc16 is available in updates-testing
05:47:59 <tagoh> fujiwarat: doesn't it require rebuilding all of the engines?
05:48:59 <fujiwarat> tagoh: I hope not.
05:49:36 <tagoh> okay
05:51:18 <tagoh> anything else ?
05:53:56 <tagoh> better move on then.
05:54:03 <tagoh> #topic Fonts and Rendering
05:54:25 <tagoh> any updates or concerns to share?
05:54:52 <pravin_s> tagoh: i have done progress on Liberation fonts hinting bug
05:55:03 <pravin_s> .bug 714191
05:55:05 <zodbot> pravin_s: Bug 714191 Glyph '1' not the same width as other numerals - https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=714191
05:55:14 <pravin_s> .bug 715309
05:55:19 <zodbot> pravin_s: Bug 715309 [hinting] Bold 'u' looks skinny - https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=715309
05:55:34 <pravin_s> so these bugs will soon go away from rawhide bug list :)
05:55:46 <tagoh> cool
05:56:02 <pravin_s> Also marathon bug of ucs-miscfixed-fonts
05:56:09 <pravin_s> .bug 597403
05:56:11 <zodbot> pravin_s: Bug 597403 usc fonts are outdated - https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=597403
05:56:24 <tagoh> nice
05:56:44 <pravin_s> build it for rawhide and Fedora 17, at least now we have updated upstream tarball, so if no one argues i will close it soon
05:57:10 <tagoh> okay, good
05:57:36 <pravin_s> and last one is also resolved lohit bugs 766493, 770691 in upstream, so after upstream release we can close these
05:58:11 <tagoh> great
05:58:15 <pravin_s> thanks
05:59:24 <pravin_s> tagoh: one more thing w.r.t fontconfig
05:59:56 <pravin_s> i think, we are not sure how to add ortho file for locale with sd_IN@DEVANAGARI yet
06:00:02 <pravin_s> was checking https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17208 yesterday
06:00:04 <tagoh> well, the updated rpm is finally pushed to the stable though, just noticed that it doesn't add fonts(:lang=..) thing properly in some cases. so I reopened the bug and updated. we can't go rebuiding packages yet...
06:00:58 <pravin_s> paragan: did you tested it any time? locale with script name?
06:01:07 <paragan> changes to rpm must be tested before pushing I guess. Like in this case fixed rpm got regression with its new update
06:01:08 <tagoh> pravin_s: okay.. I think fontconfig doesn't support the modifier so far. it needs to be fixed first in upstream.
06:01:31 <paragan> pravin_s, no will see it
06:01:54 <pravin_s> tagoh: paragan we have two locales with script modifier :(
06:02:05 <pravin_s> sd_IN@deva and ks_IN@deva
06:02:39 <pravin_s> no props, will discuss offline
06:03:00 <tagoh> that may take some time.
06:04:06 <pravin_s> tagoh: yeah, if normal .orth file bugs taking so much time, we can accept how much time it will take to code fixes ;)
06:04:17 <pravin_s> s/accept/expect
06:05:04 <tagoh> sure
06:05:09 <tagoh> well, anything else ?
06:06:34 <tagoh> if not, let's stop here then.
06:07:20 <tagoh> thanks everyone for the meeting!
06:07:25 <tagoh> #endmeeting