05:02:00 <tagoh> #startmeeting i18n
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05:02:03 <tagoh> #meetingname i18n
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05:02:09 <tagoh> #topic agenda and roll call
05:02:17 <tagoh> https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/I18N/Meetings/2012-02-09
05:02:33 <tagoh> okay, let's have i18n meeting now.
05:02:46 <epico_laptop> hi
05:03:00 <anish_> hi
05:03:08 <paragan> hi
05:03:19 <juhp> hi
05:03:23 <pravins> hi
05:04:31 <fujiwarat> hi
05:05:16 <tagoh> hi guys. let's get started then.
05:05:21 <tagoh> #topic F17
05:06:54 <tagoh> as you've read the mail, the due date of the feature implementation has passed away and only allows bug fixes and testing now.
05:07:26 <tagoh> upcoming events on the release schedule is the string freeze and the alpha change deadline at Feb 14
05:07:57 <tagoh> let's catch up our features that isn't yet finished.
05:08:08 <juhp> f17 was branched in git as you probably noticed
05:08:15 <tagoh> right
05:08:39 <tagoh> please make sure if you commited the changes to f17 branch as well.
05:09:07 <tagoh> paragan, pravins: how's Features/Additional_INdic_Langs going on?
05:09:52 <paragan> pravins, is working on it
05:10:24 <pravins> tagoh: yeah, locale patch is not committed yet in upstream
05:10:53 <pravins> need to ping Ulrich once, i guess better to file bug in fedora and give that link in bugzilla, what do you say?
05:12:01 <tagoh> yep, sounds good. I can't say off hand (and need to read the policy again..) though, may be also good to link to blocker or nth.
05:12:21 <tagoh> how about the lohit fonts things?
05:12:35 <juhp> yeah nth may be good
05:12:41 <tagoh> also comps changes?
05:12:50 <pravins> tagoh: yes, i have to just verify patches, will do upstream commit today
05:13:31 <tagoh> as it was mentioned in the mail though, if it needs to be installed by default but not yet complete so far, you need to file a ticket to fesco for this feature breakage.
05:14:10 <pravins> tagoh: hmm, alpha looks difficult for both Lohit and Additional indic languages feature
05:14:52 <tagoh> what tasks is remaining except glibc?
05:15:14 <pravins> comps
05:15:16 <pravins> fontconfig
05:15:27 <pravins> and forking lohit for Nepali and Marathi
05:15:35 <pravins> lohit devanagari
05:15:52 <pravins> paragan: anything other missing part do you think?
05:15:53 <tagoh> hmm, so no font packages for additional languages yet?
05:16:03 <paragan> no I guess
05:16:20 <juhp> I think the new glyphs are for existing fonts?
05:16:23 <pravins> tagoh: Lohit devanagari support all new langs
05:16:30 <tagoh> pravins: ah, okay
05:16:41 <pravins> juhp: yes, only single character for maithili required
05:16:43 <paragan> new languages are variants of Devanagari script
05:16:52 <juhp> I see
05:17:38 <paragan> except Manipuri and Urdu language
05:17:56 <paragan> and we already have font for both the languages
05:18:02 <pravins> yes, for Manipuri -> Lohit bengali will work
05:18:13 <pravins> and for Urdu we have reported bug in fontconfig to update .orth file
05:18:51 <ncdy> update cross-compiler please :)
05:19:05 <paragan> so the fontconfig looks difficult work to me
05:19:09 <tagoh> does anyone ask mclasen for backporting patches to fontconfig?
05:19:18 <paragan> as we are still waiting for new release
05:19:51 <pravins> tagoh: no
05:19:59 <pravins> paragan: i think we should report all bugs in fedora as well
05:20:08 <pravins> and give link to feature page
05:20:27 <tagoh> pravins: yeah
05:20:34 <paragan> I think upstream bugs will be enough
05:21:39 <tagoh> guess good to have own in our bz because it blocks this feature. we need to keep it on track.
05:21:39 <pravins> paragan: ok, should add link to feature page
05:22:06 <pravins> yeah, if it reported on Fedora, then may be owner can think to patch it for feature
05:23:09 <tagoh> okay, please do it and update the feature page too.
05:23:42 <tagoh> jni: how about Features/FontConfigurationTool ?
05:24:29 <jni> tagoh, i have fixed all the Fedora package review issues, currently wait for reviewer pass the review
05:24:46 <tagoh> I see.
05:24:48 <pravins> tagoh: thank you, apologies for it taking some time from my side but will do it soon
05:25:06 <jni> tagoh, https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=787564
05:26:51 <tagoh> for the fix of libeasyfc in f17, waiting for opening f17 on bodhi...
05:27:22 <__anish__> tagoh, english typing booster is in good shape
05:27:41 <__anish__> i am working on ibus-hunspell tables
05:27:55 <jni> tagoh, ok, so i should still require libeasyfc in f17, not libeasyfc-gobject?
05:27:58 <tagoh> __anish__: good. what tasks is remaining to complete?
05:28:10 <__anish__> couple of bugs
05:28:45 <__anish__> which are reported against it and support for other european languages
05:28:49 <tagoh> jni: erm, you meant libeasyfc-gobject-devel if you are going to build it on f17 once the review is accepted.
05:29:24 <__anish__> if i am able to finish ibus-hunspell early then we can replace it with , english-typing-booster
05:30:21 <tagoh> __anish__: it may be more like a RFE though
05:30:36 <jni> tagoh, ok
05:31:08 <__anish__> tagoh, hmm
05:32:32 <pravins> __anish__:  tagoh can we update feature summary, if ibus-huspell works properly?
05:32:38 <tagoh> __anish__: maybe good to update the milestone to accomplish your feature. the percentage of completion has to be 100% ATM. you'll be asked for that soon.
05:32:56 <pravins> like english typing booster support only english language and ibus-huspell can support all huspell supported language
05:33:15 <__anish__> tagoh, thanks i will update that
05:34:18 <tagoh> how about comps? are we going to enable this for all of English locales? or?
05:35:05 <__anish__> not for all english locales
05:35:42 <__anish__> ibus-hunspell will support all english locales
05:36:00 <tagoh> aha
05:37:07 <tagoh> hmm, if it's difficult to enable it on alpha, it shouldn't be in f17 I guess, because it may affects a lot of users.
05:37:13 <juhp> tagoh: bodhi for f17 is from Beta onwards I think
05:37:45 <juhp> f17 builds should currently be going straight to f17 still afaik
05:38:13 <tagoh> even tagging into f17-candidate?
05:38:22 <juhp> hmm
05:38:28 * juhp looks
05:38:59 <juhp> tagoh: http://koji.fedoraproject.org/koji/buildinfo?buildID=297922 ?
05:39:16 <juhp> I was worrying about that too - since koji targets candidate when building
05:39:35 <juhp> but tag process seems to move builds straight into f17
05:39:43 <juhp> anyway...
05:40:21 <juhp> I think same was true for f16 - maybe not f15 - I can't quite remember so far back :)
05:40:29 <tagoh> aha
05:40:59 <tagoh> good to check with the testing tree then.
05:41:42 <juhp> (s/process/task/)
05:41:44 <juhp> yes
05:42:22 <tagoh> __anish__: if there are any bugs except the kind of RFE, IMHO it's not needed to count in the completion.
05:44:10 <tagoh> pravins: anything for IndicUnicode6 ?
05:44:26 <__anish__> tagoh, ok
05:45:04 <pravins> tagoh: yes, just committing changes in lohit upstream
05:45:40 <tagoh> okay. can you update the feature page? it looks so bad that the percentage is still 0%...
05:46:20 <pravins> yes, agree. changing it
05:46:28 <tagoh> thanks
05:46:49 <tagoh> epico_laptop: how about libpinyin?
05:47:05 <epico_laptop> prepare the 0.5.91 in progress.
05:47:17 <epico_laptop> 0.5.0 got into f17.
05:47:55 <epico_laptop> will document the functions in pinyin.h.
05:48:37 <tagoh> how's the improvements going on? will that release be able to complete this feature?
05:49:16 <epico_laptop> mainly code re-factor, and fixes work around. maybe 0.6.0 will complete it.
05:51:41 <tagoh> hm, okay. anyway, the feature owner who has an incomplete feature will be asked a progress and postpone in some cases soon...
05:51:48 <tagoh> anything else for f17?
05:53:19 <tagoh> btw 97 bugs open in rawhide so far, it may be a time to focus bug fixes to improve. also good to review bugs if there are any bugs worth proposing blocker or nth.
05:54:02 <tagoh> okay, better move on then.
05:54:07 <tagoh> #topic Input Methods
05:54:17 <tagoh> any updates or concerns to share for IM?
05:55:09 <tagoh> fujiwarat: how about ibus and gnome3 integration?
05:55:11 <fujiwarat> The new ibus was integrated in f17.
05:55:23 <tagoh> great
05:56:01 <dueno> libfep is awaiting for review: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=787128 for ibus-fep http://blog.du-a.org/wp-uploads/2012/02/ibus-fep.png
05:56:10 <fujiwarat> I think major features are available in f17 but we still need to work on many things.
05:56:32 <juhp> fujiwarat, I really like the new IME switcher UI (popup)
05:56:38 <tagoh> aha
05:56:52 <tagoh> yeah, looks good to me too
05:57:01 <fujiwarat> great
05:57:05 <tagoh> dueno: cool
05:57:26 <juhp> now if we could just get rid of the hotkey! ;o)  *hides quickly*
05:57:36 <juhp> :)
05:58:02 <fujiwarat> Ah
05:58:16 <juhp> well just quasi-kidding :)
05:58:40 <juhp> not sure what might happen on that side if anything
05:58:51 <juhp> dueno, cool
05:59:25 <tagoh> the concern is, there are some reports that complaining ctrl+space. really wondering why they do it now.
06:00:35 <juhp> http://blog.du-a.org/?p=957
06:00:40 <tagoh> actually there are still the hardcoded locales in xinput.sh to enable IM for the certain locales. it's unlikely unless they enable it by the hand.
06:00:48 <juhp> yeah also wondering what "triggered" the bug report
06:01:03 <juhp> yeah
06:01:38 <juhp> fujiwarat, btw (just asking) but do you plan to backport f17 ibus to f16?
06:02:21 <fujiwarat> Hmm.., I still don't port all f16 features to f17.
06:02:37 <juhp> okay
06:03:13 <fujiwarat> I think we can backport if the features are fixed. Maybe post f17.
06:03:16 <juhp> ok maybe it is not so feasible
06:03:20 <juhp> okay sure
06:03:35 <juhp> was mostly wondering about the new xkb support
06:04:43 <tagoh> okay, anything else?
06:06:04 <tagoh> better move on then.
06:06:06 <tagoh> #topic Fonts and Rendering
06:07:54 <tagoh> jni: I forgot to point out, I think fonts-tweak-tool needs to be gettextized. thought the translation thing is mentioned in the release criteria.
06:08:31 <jni> tagoh, ok
06:08:38 <tagoh> any updates or concerns to share for fonts and rendering?
06:08:42 <juhp> by beta?
06:08:51 <dueno> finally changed the ko default font since I got only positive responses to that change on trans-ko list
06:09:00 <juhp> :)
06:09:14 <tagoh> juhp: guess so since the string freeze is coming soon...
06:09:32 <tagoh> dueno: cool
06:11:41 <tagoh> anything else if we are missing any topics on the agenda?
06:14:26 <tagoh> okay, let's stop here then. thanks everyone for the meeting!
06:14:31 <tagoh> #endmeeting