02:00:05 <inode0> #startmeeting FAmNA 02:00:05 <zodbot> Meeting started Wed Feb 8 02:00:05 2012 UTC. The chair is inode0. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 02:00:05 <zodbot> Useful Commands: #action #agreed #halp #info #idea #link #topic. 02:00:13 <inode0> #meetingname FAmNA 02:00:13 <zodbot> The meeting name has been set to 'famna' 02:00:18 <inode0> so far so good 02:00:23 <dramsey> +1 02:00:28 <inode0> #topic roll call 02:01:23 <dramsey> dramsey is here with a tropical drink in my hand and my toes in the sand of the Pacific Ocean. 02:02:38 * SGS says 'here'. 02:02:52 <chanchito> MJGB - here! 02:03:32 <inode0> small crowd tonight, a bit disappointing but we will forge ahead anyway 02:03:41 <inode0> #topic announcements 02:03:51 <inode0> Did anything happen today? 02:04:08 * mock here 02:04:09 <chanchito> yes i ordered some t-shirts for the linux fest next month 02:04:22 <chanchito> from cafepress.com 02:04:31 <inode0> oh, how many? 02:04:53 <chanchito> only 15, so i can award them to visitors who allow fedora installed 02:05:10 <chanchito> entrapment, i know 02:05:17 <inode0> did you know that we can provide t-shirts usually? 02:05:30 <chanchito> yes but i was worried, these do not have the fedora artwork 02:05:38 <chanchito> since i was not able to find any 02:05:48 <chanchito> i would prefer to have real fedora shirts 02:05:53 <chanchito> i will pay for them and for shipping too 02:06:10 <inode0> you need to just ask us, you don't need to pay - we produce them for this purpose 02:06:13 <chanchito> the most important items i need are the booth/event stands, table cover and such 02:06:25 <chanchito> ok thx a million 02:06:51 <inode0> ok, we should get an event ticket open to discuss and track your events needs and progress 02:06:52 <chanchito> eventually, i will order a set of event gear to keep on hand 02:07:16 <chanchito> i did enter some new tickets, 264 - 268 but i had trouble 02:07:18 <inode0> back to announcements 02:07:26 * nb here 02:07:26 <chanchito> sorry about the segway 02:07:27 <inode0> really, anything newsworthy at all? 02:07:41 <herlo> there's a new FPL? 02:07:45 <herlo> I think that's newsworthy 02:07:50 <nb> herlo, rbergeron is the new FPL! 02:07:54 <fenrus02> herlo, yes, rbergeron 02:07:56 <herlo> yes, I know 02:08:02 <herlo> I was saying it's newsworthy :) 02:08:26 <fenrus02> indeed 02:08:29 <nb> yeah 02:08:39 <fenrus02> beefy miracle, bacon, and rbergeron 02:09:01 <SGS> 2 02:09:04 <herlo> 3 02:09:09 <herlo> :) 02:09:23 <dramsey> +1 Very worthy! 02:09:27 <inode0> so is this meeting still being logged or does something need to be poked? 02:09:32 <nb> .ping 02:09:32 <zodbot> pong 02:09:34 <makfinsky> So the beefy miracle is released on rbergeron's watch... nice! 02:09:35 <nb> inode0, it works :) 02:10:09 <herlo> seems apropos 02:10:10 * nb hopes the new laptop for central event box isn't broke 02:10:13 * rbergeron stabs back at stabbmc 02:10:19 <rbergeron> err. stabbymc. 02:10:22 <nb> i tried to boot it and it whined about no hard drive present 02:10:31 <nb> but i'm charging it now because its dead too 02:10:40 <rbergeron> inode0: it should still be being logged. :) 02:10:56 <inode0> ok 02:11:23 <inode0> #topic tickets 02:11:33 <inode0> .famnaticket 1 02:11:34 <zodbot> inode0: #1 (Introduce trac as a new tool for FAmNA meeting agendas and task resolution) – FAmNA general trac - https://fedorahosted.org/famna/ticket/1 02:11:38 <inode0> hey, it worked 02:12:16 <inode0> so what we are going to try to do now is to better track and organize meetings using this new trac instance 02:12:43 <rbergeron> ? 02:12:45 <inode0> if you want something on the agenda simply open a ticket and set the milestone to meeting 02:13:03 <rbergeron> is it only for meetings, and separate from famnarequests? 02:13:08 <inode0> then it will magically show up in the next meeting's agenda 02:13:13 <mock> nice. computers making stuff easier. 02:13:13 <herlo> rbergeron: you can use it with zodbot anytime 02:13:24 <inode0> it is not only for meetings 02:13:34 <inode0> all non-sensitive famna business 02:13:59 <inode0> famnarequests will still exist for requesting swag and things that require addresses for shipping 02:14:23 <inode0> this one should be completely open 02:14:26 <rbergeron> okay. just wanted to make sure :) 02:14:35 <inode0> I hope we can quickly make use of it for events 02:14:59 <rbergeron> inode0: I agree. I think it might help us better track money and owners (since there are owner fields in trac) and so forth. :) 02:15:13 <inode0> I just made some guesses about configuration so if we need some other milestones lets figure that out and add them as we learn 02:15:53 <inode0> but if you are the owner of an upcoming event open a ticket and track the planning process there 02:16:07 <inode0> you can retag it meeting any time it needs to come up in a meeting 02:17:31 <inode0> I see it used for many tasks as well 02:17:39 <inode0> If we need to get new swag, the process of finding a vendor and whatnot can go there 02:18:14 <inode0> so please just start using it :) 02:18:33 <inode0> .famnaticket 2 02:18:34 <zodbot> inode0: #2 (Multitouch Event Booth System) – FAmNA general trac - https://fedorahosted.org/famna/ticket/2 02:19:16 <inode0> This is one I'd really like to get a volunteer to help us by doing some research and suggesting a particular system 02:19:30 <rbergeron> inode0: you know, we have a feature for multitouch support this cycle... 02:19:32 <rbergeron> http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Features/Multitouch_support 02:19:46 * nb thinks the central event box's laptop is dead 02:19:50 <nb> it doesn't want to charge 02:19:58 <inode0> yes, and we would really like a 23" or so multitouch system for the booth at large events 02:19:59 <herlo> :( 02:19:59 <rbergeron> have we thought about reaching out to the feature owner and seeing if he has any hands-on experience with any of those? 02:20:09 <64MAAO5LZ> nb: the new one? 02:20:20 <nb> i finally got it charged at fudcon, and then today when i tried to boot it it complained about the hard drive being missing 02:20:24 * nb is trying to get it to charge again 02:20:28 <nb> 64MAAO5LZ, yes 02:20:36 <nb> well "new to us" one 02:20:36 <rbergeron> note that I am not throwing myself under he bus here since my time is kind of... well.. not a-bun-dant this week so to speak 02:20:45 <rbergeron> :) 02:21:22 <inode0> yes, this is a call for a volunteer because I can't seem to find time either and I'd like it to get done 02:21:54 <makfinsky> inode0: A hw recommendation, is that what's needed? 02:21:54 <inode0> it is a simple enough task that I hope someone can pick it up 02:22:03 <inode0> yes 02:22:17 <inode0> and not an absurdly pricy one :) 02:22:37 <makfinsky> Hmm, sounds interesting... what's the desired completion date? 02:22:45 <inode0> asap 02:23:06 <kk4ewt> i am sorry, i really dont see the need for this but whatever 02:23:14 <makfinsky> That makes it a little harder... I wonder if best buy has any... perhaps I can boot a live dvd on one... 02:23:17 <chanchito> 23-inch all-in-one systems are discounted regularly in the dell and toshiba factory outlets online 02:23:45 <inode0> the hope is we can get this added to the regular hardware cycle so it sort of self-renews every few years 02:24:15 <inode0> dell would probably be a good choice since we can get a discount from dell as well I think 02:24:17 <chanchito> i will be in austin for 3 weeks starting next monday and dell is near my company's data center and i don't mind making a trip to check pricing 02:24:35 <chanchito> i can easily pick one up with AMD cpu 02:24:48 <chanchito> i was planning to purchase one for business use anyway 02:25:07 <inode0> as rbergeron suggested, it might be good to touch base with the feature people and see if there are known gotchas 02:25:11 <rbergeron> well,I think the important thing is to see how well it works, etc. 02:25:14 <inode0> or recommendations from them 02:25:40 <rbergeron> before we sink money into it. They're not cheap (though not asininely expensive), but they are going to be more difficult to ship around, I would speculate. 02:25:43 <inode0> yeah, we really want it to work well with Fedora :) 02:25:51 <rbergeron> So making sure we get one that works, and works well with Fedora, is a good idea. 02:26:21 <chanchito> so far, knock on wood, the last 7 laptops i have purchased from toshiba factory outlet are all running like clocks 02:26:24 <rbergeron> And right now, since it's not mainline yet, I would say that our best chance for finding anything out is probably from upstream, or just asking around if someone has one. 02:27:37 <rbergeron> And perhaps the key is to find someone who is at least willing to send the mail, do some preliminary investigation. 02:27:59 <rbergeron> And perhaps they can pass that off to someone for the other half of the solution once they have some basic answers from the feature owner. :) 02:28:21 <chanchito> divide and conquer 02:28:51 <inode0> ok, well, you know where the ticket is so please grab it and make yourself the owner if you want to try to investigate this for us 02:28:57 <inode0> and we'd really appreciate it 02:29:36 <inode0> .famnaticket 4 02:29:37 <zodbot> inode0: #4 (SCALE 10x Report) – FAmNA general trac - https://fedorahosted.org/famna/ticket/4 02:29:59 <inode0> markdude: can you give us a brief recap of the glory of scale 10x? 02:31:21 * inode0 looks around for markdude 02:31:35 <makfinsky> Oh noes... 02:31:50 <herlo> inode0: I can talk to some of it 02:31:52 <inode0> events without event reports did not happen 02:31:55 <makfinsky> Oh yeah, I got my fedora hoody from herlo who got it from ruth while at scale. 02:32:06 <rbergeron> LOL 02:32:18 <inode0> herlo: thanks, go ahead and fill us in a little bit 02:32:22 <makfinsky> That was as close as I got to SCaLE.... :( 02:32:29 <herlo> Fedora SysadminSG activity was well received 02:32:41 <herlo> several people came and studied, albeit a little less than last year 02:32:46 <herlo> ec2 instances were a hit 02:33:30 <rbergeron> herlo: YAY, it all worked? 02:33:36 <rbergeron> wrt ec2 02:33:44 <herlo> markdude: got there late, so his presentation didn't happen, but it worked out well anyway 02:34:14 <herlo> rbergeron: yep, we still have some stuff to do, but it's working well. Still need to get with ya regarding account access for temporary accounts 02:35:04 <rbergeron> herlo: aye aye. 02:35:05 <herlo> just need to figure out a few details, and we're golden 02:35:13 <rbergeron> okay. 02:35:30 <herlo> anyway, the conference was huge! bigger than ever before I guess. Almost 2000 people, 100+ booths and over 100 presentations too 02:35:48 <chanchito> kudos! 02:35:51 <inode0> did anyone stop at the Fedora booth? :) 02:35:52 <herlo> the booth is the only part I really don't have any info on since I was elsewhere 02:36:16 <herlo> I think people did. There are pictures of a penguin on markdude's google+ account 02:36:24 <herlo> and the penguin was with people in the pics 02:36:34 <rbergeron> penguin == spot 02:36:43 <dgilmore> herlo: maybe we can setup eucalyptus in fedora. and have it tied into fas 02:36:43 * herlo didn't want to reveal that 02:36:47 <rbergeron> oh 02:36:49 <herlo> dgilmore: sure 02:36:54 <rbergeron> ^H^H^H^H 02:36:55 <herlo> would be happy to help 02:37:07 <rbergeron> dgilmore, herlo: i know seth is looking at that a bit too for other things. 02:37:11 <inode0> ok, was there an event report somewhere that I missed? or just not yet? 02:37:23 <herlo> inode0: from me? Haven't had time 02:37:31 <inode0> from anyone :) 02:37:37 <herlo> but Fedora didn't pay my way, so....talk with spot, rbergeron and markdude 02:37:42 <herlo> :) 02:37:45 <inode0> you just gave one as far as I am concerned 02:37:48 * herlo backs away slowly 02:37:51 <herlo> :) 02:37:52 <dgilmore> rbergeron: yeah we talked today 02:38:28 <rbergeron> dgilmore: the best person to probably needle about it is gholms, since he has a fairly good grip on infra in fedora land, and obv. euca stuff as well 02:38:35 <inode0> ok, well, this leads me to make a related comment about events 02:38:38 * herlo suggests the cloudy folks discuss this offline 02:38:39 <rbergeron> inode0: i'd like to see the event owners report. :) 02:38:42 <rbergeron> herlo: yar 02:38:57 <herlo> that'd be markdude 02:39:00 <herlo> iirc 02:39:03 <inode0> we need to do both a better job planning them in advance and a better job reporting about them before we forget what happened 02:39:09 <dgilmore> rbergeron: :) yeah 02:39:41 <inode0> but it wasn't that long ago in this case so we'll revisit it again later for scale 02:40:13 <inode0> anything else about scale? from anyone else? 02:40:51 <inode0> #topic open floor 02:41:08 <SGS> VTLUUG and CHLUUG, two local LUUGs, are having InstallFests soon! CHLUUG will be having theirs this upcoming Monday, Feb 13, and VTLUUG will have theirs on Feb 22nd! :) 02:41:08 <kk4ewt> Events ?? 02:41:13 <rbergeron> speaking of events.... 02:41:28 <rbergeron> I know we have LFNW coming up. And I think north-east, and indiana. 02:41:32 <nb> ILF is coming........ we are working on plans for who's going to own it and stuff. probably threethirty and i 02:41:34 <rbergeron> In the impending-zone. 02:41:37 <inode0> events will generally be handled in the ticket section moving forward but we can discuss them now too 02:42:02 * rbergeron just is curious if anyone's tackling NWLF yet, though it's in april. 02:42:22 <kk4ewt> well i think events need to be brought up in the meetings especially if some budget maybe involved 02:42:46 <kk4ewt> LFNE as well 02:42:51 <inode0> we should go through all the major things we attended last year to see who can cover what this year 02:43:05 <inode0> kk4ewt: sure, open a ticket for the meeting 02:43:05 <rbergeron> inode0: i think that would be helpful as far as estimating costs, etc. 02:43:13 * dgilmore wants to go to the fedora bbq day 02:43:24 <rbergeron> And perhaps lining up attendance with swag and figuring out future swaggy purchases. 02:43:28 <kk4ewt> inode0: well fine bye 02:43:30 <makfinsky> fedora bbq day? 02:43:34 <makfinsky> Where?! 02:43:44 <dramsey> Shares a "Beefy Miracle" for Fedora BBQ Day. :p 02:43:52 <dgilmore> makfinsky: why not :) 02:44:08 * rbergeron thinks an effort towards Fedora WWBBDay for release would be epic. 02:44:16 <rbergeron> not to distract from meeting. 02:44:16 <rbergeron> :) 02:44:52 <inode0> we also need some crazy new off the wall ideas for event fun so crazy off the wall new ideas are cool 02:44:53 * rbergeron coughs and steps back and hands someone else the mic 02:45:05 * dgilmore would be willing to cook brisket for fedora 02:45:11 <rbergeron> inode0: as far as swag? 02:45:17 <rbergeron> or ... in general. anything. :) 02:45:23 <chanchito> frisbees with the fedora logo! 02:45:32 <chanchito> for summer events 02:45:42 <inode0> I wasn't thinking about swag, more about booth activities and other stuff 02:45:45 <makfinsky> dgilmore: Count me in. 02:45:57 <kk4ewt> ? 02:46:06 <rbergeron> inode0: summer is the season for boothing. :) 02:46:42 <makfinsky> Ok, so fun things to do at booths. 02:46:49 <chanchito> since i work for the largest lottery and gaming company in the world, how about the daily numbers box with the floating numbered balls for giving out prizes? 02:46:50 <inode0> chanchito: please run with that, look for some vendors, get prices 02:46:51 * nb loves the APAC keychains and would like to find a supplier in NA that can make something similar (minus the redhat logo, and with the correct colors for the fedora logo) 02:46:59 <chanchito> 10-4! 02:46:59 <makfinsky> Screaming monkeys, stump the chump, Expert challenge. 02:47:08 <makfinsky> Those are things that draw folks to booths for sure. 02:47:08 * nb intends to look for suppliers and quotes 02:48:05 <nb> Oh: stamps.com account 02:48:08 <kk4ewt> i am sorryi didnt realize i had to file a dang ticket on event that I wanted to discuss tonight nor that the trac system would be manditory without a meeting to discuss it first 02:48:23 <nb> kk4ewt, i don think it is mandatory yet at least? 02:48:34 <inode0> chanchito: prizes at booths is another thing we've not done that could be fun 02:48:50 <kk4ewt> nb not is not the impression i was just given 02:48:56 <nb> I haven't been keeping that good of track of comparison between ups and usps/stamps.com prices, but i just shipped 3 small boxes and we saved about 10.00 02:49:14 <nb> (which we get charged 15.99/month so if i ship a few more we'll be saving at least that much) 02:49:15 <inode0> kk4ewt: you don't, please just discuss whatever you want to discuss now 02:49:17 <nb> more figures to come. 02:49:22 <chanchito> could use the swag as prizes, like a hoodie, shirts, hats, etc 02:49:40 <kk4ewt> inode0: welll SGS brought up 2 events and was ignored 02:50:06 <inode0> I didn't ignore it but it sounded like an announcement, was there something to discuss? 02:50:26 <inode0> let's go back to the installfests now 02:50:35 <kk4ewt> well i was hoping to discuss and maybe get a 25-50 budget for each event 02:50:57 <inode0> you are approved 02:51:24 <inode0> even without discussion but I'm interested in what you are thinking about doing 02:53:13 <kk4ewt> at the high we do have an ambassador and I will be attending the school to discuss fedora and getting involved with fedora 02:53:38 <kk4ewt> as well as working with the classes during a day 02:53:55 <kk4ewt> the budget is for pizza at the installfest 02:54:18 <kk4ewt> VT installfest we doing aobut the same 02:54:50 <inode0> +1 02:54:58 <kk4ewt> we will be there to help with installs and answer questions about Open source helping with installs 02:55:07 <nb> +1 02:57:08 <makfinsky> +1 02:57:11 <kk4ewt> i dont think its right for me or SGS to vote 02:57:17 <inode0> anything more on events or other stuff? 02:57:58 <kk4ewt> lfne will be sure to get with mario and make sure event box and banners are there 02:58:26 <inode0> thanks 02:58:55 <kk4ewt> and i have started a event page for SELF 02:59:26 <kk4ewt> that all i have for tonight 02:59:31 <inode0> ok, thanks 03:00:05 <kk4ewt> sorry for the late posting 2 many meetings at the sametime 03:00:21 <nb> looks like bpepple is doing ILF too 03:00:23 <inode0> I'll probably annoy kk4ewt by opening a few more tickets including one to review last year's events for next week :) 03:00:23 <nb> according to wiki 03:01:14 <inode0> but that should be done soon so we know what to expect during the busy part of the year before it is on top of us 03:01:48 <kk4ewt> inode0: no problems with using the ticket system its worth a try but i think event tickets should be automaticly in the meetings 03:01:54 <inode0> thanks for coming everyone and we can continue brainstorming in the ambassadors channel if you want 03:02:18 <dramsey> Thank you, inode0 for chairing. :) 03:02:42 <inode0> kk4ewt: ok, we need to work all that out since I don't pretend to know the best workflow 03:03:05 <inode0> I figure we start trying it and fix it as we go as best we can 03:03:41 * inode0 is about to end the meeting as we should stick as close to 1hr as possible 03:03:52 <inode0> #endmeeting