05:03:10 <tagoh> #startmeeting i18n
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05:03:14 <tagoh> #meetingname i18n
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05:03:21 <tagoh> #topic agenda and roll call
05:03:35 <tagoh> https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/I18N/Meetings/2012-02-02
05:03:57 <tagoh> okay, let's have a weekly i18n meeting.
05:07:11 <paragan> hi
05:07:18 <epico_laptop> hi
05:08:32 <fujiwarat> hi
05:09:15 <dueno> hi
05:10:39 <tagoh> hi guys. okay, let's get started.
05:10:41 <pravins> hi
05:10:50 <tagoh> #topic F17
05:12:10 <tagoh> the feature freeze is coming next Tuesday. all of the feature development has to be done before that. so how is your features going on?
05:12:46 <tagoh> paragan, pravins: how's Additional Indic Langs?
05:13:39 <pravins> tagoh: yes, it is approved now
05:14:01 <pravins> only one locale file Dogri is remaining. Aman will give me information soon
05:14:03 <paragan> tagoh, added a new table with initial data at https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/I18N/Indic#How_to_Install.2FRemove_any_Language_support
05:14:13 <tagoh> pravins: cool
05:14:37 <tagoh> paragan: great. thanks!
05:14:43 <pravins> once that is done, i will reprot bugs for remaining things like , group in comps, fontconfig orth file. anaconda
05:15:07 <tagoh> okay
05:15:35 <pravins> thanks paragan for page, very helpful :)
05:16:11 <tagoh> yeah, very helpful to see what need to be done :)
05:17:09 <pravins> tagoh: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/I18N/LanguageSupportCriteria is also very helpful
05:17:24 <pravins> presently following this
05:18:06 <tagoh> nice
05:18:43 <tagoh> jni: how about FontConfigurationTool?
05:19:29 <tagoh> anish_: any updates for english-typing-booster?
05:19:46 <jni> tagoh, i am doing the fedora package now. will commit it to review soon.
05:20:19 <tagoh> jni: okay. good. guess you may want to update the progress on the feature page :)
05:20:28 <anish_> tagoh, english-typing-booster is released under MIT license
05:20:39 <tagoh> jni: please keep it up to date.
05:20:48 <jni> tagoh, okay, thanks, i will update it
05:20:54 <anish_> currently i am planning to use hunspell
05:21:20 <anish_> i am integrating hunspell with ibus-european-table
05:21:23 <tagoh> anish_: cool. what the tasks remaining to complete this feature?
05:21:34 <tagoh> jni: thanks
05:21:40 <jni> tagoh, np
05:21:54 <anish_> so we will have support for  the european langs
05:22:06 <tagoh> aha
05:22:17 <anish_> we will scarp english-typing-booster then
05:23:53 <tagoh> anish_: there are an exception but basically the feature development needs to be done before the feature freeze. are you confident to do implement it until it then?
05:24:24 <tagoh> otherwise you may need to update the milestone for that perhaps.
05:25:09 <tagoh> anish_: good to read this one: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/ReleaseEngineering/FeatureFreezePolicy
05:25:13 <pravins> anish_: yes, alpha deadline is 2012-02-14
05:25:28 <anish_> tagoh, thanks
05:25:31 <pravins> and between feature is for only one language ;)
05:25:52 <anish_> looks like i will be done that time
05:25:55 <pravins> but yes, getting support for all hunspell supported language in on go will be great
05:26:02 <pravins> s/on/one
05:26:18 <tagoh> okay
05:27:01 <tagoh> pravins: how about IndicUnicode6? the completion is still 0% on the feature page though.
05:27:45 <pravins> tagoh: this month i will do it. release
05:27:57 <pravins> tagoh: in between Unicode released Unicode 6.1
05:28:09 <tagoh> yeah
05:28:27 <pravins> paragan: checked it and there are only couple of character got added in our supported indic unicode blocks
05:28:52 <tagoh> just wonder if it can be done until alpha?
05:28:55 <pravins> so i am thinking we will add those characters as well and say Unicode 6.1 support, how do you think?
05:29:37 <pravins> tagoh: yes, i think we can
05:29:50 <tagoh> pravins: for fonts, that may be good. how about other places?
05:30:13 <pravins> hmm, that is problem
05:31:00 <pravins> in that case, yes 6.0 is ok
05:31:58 <tagoh> sorry for bringing this up now, this feature was accepted though, but it's a bit unclear to me for others after reading the feature page. is the font the matter to support 6.1 and nothing else?
05:33:11 <pravins> input method, rendering support also comes into picture
05:33:27 <pravins> good this is we have inscript2 that support most of the characters
05:34:13 <tagoh> true. how to figure out then? I think that would be good to update the page with some information about it. that would be helpful for testers.
05:35:04 <pravins> tagoh: sure, i will do it.
05:35:07 <tagoh> thanks
05:35:20 <pravins> thanks to you for this point :)
05:35:30 <tagoh> epico_laptop: how about libpinyin?
05:36:10 <epico_laptop> testing the 0.5.91, and 0.5.0 is in the F16 updates-testing.
05:37:12 <tagoh> cool. so what you've done and what you need to do for completion?
05:38:17 <epico_laptop> the features are nearly finished, just to make it more stable.
05:38:28 <tagoh> great!
05:38:38 <epico_laptop> thanks
05:39:00 <tagoh> okay, anything else for f17?
05:39:45 <juhp> how is ibus-gnome3 now for f17?
05:40:10 <juhp> waiting for a stable gnome-shell release?
05:40:31 <juhp> fujiwarat, ^
05:41:12 <fujiwarat> Ah, actually the new ibus is not released yet. Probably I will try to integrate the devel branch in this week.
05:42:17 <tagoh> fujiwarat: does the new ibus contain any improvements for the above thing?
05:43:56 <fujiwarat> some of the bridge-hotkey features are upstreamed and the APIs are fixed. I think the performance of ctrl+space will be fixed.
05:44:17 <tagoh> aha
05:44:46 <fujiwarat> Also the new switching window in control+space as I informed last week.
05:44:53 <juhp> good
05:45:16 <juhp> fujiwarat, would be good to get it into alpha
05:45:26 <tagoh> yeah
05:45:27 <fujiwarat> I see.
05:45:59 <juhp> perhaps you can build a snapshot for rawhide? :)
05:46:33 <fujiwarat> juhp: Yes, I'm thinking the same way.
05:46:38 <juhp> nice
05:47:13 <tagoh> no real changes in the topic but guess good to move..
05:47:22 <tagoh> #topic Input Methods
05:47:38 <tagoh> anything else for IM?
05:48:55 <tagoh> it may be a bit tighten to discuss about the default hotkey issue?
05:49:00 <fujiwarat> fedbot: bug 756595
05:49:10 <juhp> yes
05:50:10 <fujiwarat> Maybe I still don't understand his real problem, why that problem is raised now.
05:50:33 <juhp> well it is an old problem that keeps re-occurring... :)
05:50:45 <juhp> it is also a problem for Emacs :)
05:50:55 <tagoh> fujiwarat: guess it's because they haven't ever used any IM.
05:51:07 <tagoh> juhp: true
05:51:25 <fujiwarat> If it's really the default keybinding, hmm.., it might be a bit difficult conclusion.
05:51:32 * juhp misses Shift-Space sometimes :)
05:51:41 <fujiwarat> http://desktopi18n.wordpress.com/2011/07/01/ibus-bridge-hotkeys/
05:51:57 <fujiwarat> Someone says the new Windows will use Windows + Space key.
05:52:09 <fujiwarat> I mean the comment secion.
05:52:13 <tagoh> juhp: forgot the details but thought there was similar complaint with even Shift-space?
05:52:27 <juhp> hm probably no doubt
05:53:11 <juhp> fujiwarat, Windows+Space for ?
05:53:30 <fujiwarat> for MS-IME on Windows 7/8?
05:53:59 <juhp> ah
05:54:06 <juhp> interesting
05:54:22 <juhp> I liked tagoh's idea to have a new key symbol for IM
05:55:01 <tagoh> we may need an independent keysym to address this issue forever. because this is the kind of cat-and-mouse chase and one always steals the key we use ;)
05:55:04 <fujiwarat> new key symbol?
05:55:17 <juhp> though I don't know if in some sense it is passing on the problem to xkb
05:56:05 <fujiwarat> But maybe I'd still need to know what is the real problem.
05:56:27 <juhp> anyway various applications use Ctrl+Space already for long time
05:56:40 <juhp> and so obviously clash with ibus
05:58:05 <tagoh> key combination is limited. hard to avoid a clash on it. what we need to do is to advertise "this is for IM. do not steal it!" repeatedly maybe.
05:58:25 <fujiwarat> I think it's not ibus only. vice-versa
05:58:35 <tagoh> right
05:58:44 <juhp> right
05:59:16 <juhp> but probably too late for f17 - but if we could get the symbol into f18 I would be great
05:59:33 <tagoh> anyway, enabling ibus (or IM) by default for all of languages would be a good first step to share the hotkey for IM I guess.
05:59:35 <juhp> what do people think about drop Ctrl+Space for F17?
06:00:09 <juhp> hmm
06:00:25 <pravins> juhp: no, control+space we are using from long time
06:00:29 <juhp> still not sure if we need ibus for all users by default
06:00:43 <juhp> pravins, yeah since scim ;)
06:00:58 <juhp> and other chinese IMs...
06:01:25 <tagoh> juhp: maybe. people who need IM is still minority in the development community I guess.
06:01:26 <juhp> well Super+Space might be better
06:01:27 <pravins> tagoh: very true we should announce this shortcut somewhere or may be add note regarding it in gnome-shortcuts
06:01:43 <juhp> heh :)
06:01:47 <tagoh> juhp: not really. it may be helpful to protect the key at least.
06:02:11 <fujiwarat> My concern is if his problem would be a regression in f16 so I'd like to get his problem exactly.
06:02:25 <tagoh> fujiwarat: sure
06:02:40 <juhp> fujiwarat, I don't think it is new regression but i didn't read the bug carefully yet
06:04:17 <tagoh> good to think about the worst scenario on it too perhaps
06:04:20 <juhp> eclipse has used Ctrl+Space also for long
06:04:22 <tagoh> for f17
06:04:39 <fujiwarat> juhp: I wonder why he insists f16: https://fedorahosted.org/fesco/ticket/798
06:04:55 <juhp> oh
06:07:13 <tagoh> anyway, good to keep up the discussion.
06:07:23 <juhp> hmm shame this got escalated hadn't seen that
06:07:41 <juhp> well we may get a decision sooner than later then ;)
06:07:58 <tagoh> yep
06:08:13 <tagoh> better move on.
06:08:22 <juhp> would have been better to have engaged in bz and ml but anyway
06:08:37 <tagoh> #topic Fonts and Rendering
06:09:12 <tagoh> any updates for fonts and rendering?
06:10:38 <pravins> tagoh: worked on liberation-fonts
06:10:53 <pravins> resolved #751566, #708330 and #657849 in upstream
06:11:06 <pravins> yet, no progress on hinting issues though
06:11:41 <tagoh> pravins: cool
06:11:46 <pravins> want to solve them once, but may be will do next upstream release without hinting fixes
06:11:56 <tagoh> aha
06:12:35 <pravins> 7-8 hinting bugs are there
06:12:39 <tagoh> if it needs a lot of time for fixing, yeah, good to have a release for another bug fixes first.
06:12:56 <pravins> tagoh: yeah, me too think same
06:13:11 <pravins> thank you, will do release this week
06:14:28 <tagoh> okay, anything else?
06:17:30 <tagoh> okay, good to stop here then. thanks everyone for the meeting!
06:17:36 <tagoh> #endmeeting