05:02:21 <tagoh> #startmeeting i18n
05:02:21 <zodbot> Meeting started Thu Jan 26 05:02:21 2012 UTC.  The chair is tagoh. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.
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05:02:24 <tagoh> #meetingname i18n
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05:02:37 <tagoh> #topic agenda and roll call
05:02:50 <tagoh> https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/I18N/Meetings/2012-01-26
05:03:05 <tagoh> it's time to have weekly i18n meeting.
05:03:10 <tagoh> who else here today?
05:03:54 <dueno> hi
05:04:17 <juhp> hi
05:05:41 <fujiwarat> hi
05:07:52 <juhp> ah hm public holidays today in China, India, and Australia...
05:08:35 <juhp> unusual
05:10:01 <tagoh> aha, okay. let's have a quick meeting then.
05:10:20 <tagoh> #topic F17
05:12:07 <tagoh> well, relnotes schedule seems updated. I've added it to the dashboard separately this time.
05:12:19 <juhp> aha
05:12:25 <juhp> are the beats open yet?
05:12:32 * juhp didn't check yet...
05:12:47 <tagoh> no, not yet. it will be open Feb 12
05:15:57 <juhp> ah right
05:16:07 <tagoh> for features, inscript2 only has completed. will catch up in next meeting since Feb 7 is the feature freeze.
05:17:13 <juhp> aha
05:17:29 <tagoh> hm, dunno for others but I saw a ticket for fonts-tweak-tool that approved. but seems not updated in wiki yet?
05:17:33 <juhp> so all the features got approved by fesco I guess?
05:17:38 <juhp> aha
05:18:29 <juhp> yeah probably would need to check the fesco log but I think the wiki categories of approved features were not updated yet
05:20:12 <juhp> I think anish and pravins decided not to post a feature for indic-typing-booster
05:20:30 <juhp> but maybe still good to track the progress on new langs
05:20:55 <juhp> they might start using hunspell dictionaries perhaps for more language coverage though
05:23:12 <tagoh> juhp: sure.
05:23:32 <tagoh> Features/Additional_Indic_Langs: https://fedorahosted.org/fesco/ticket/760
05:23:53 <tagoh> Features/english-typing-booster: https://fedorahosted.org/fesco/ticket/756
05:24:11 <tagoh> Features/FontConfigurationTool: https://fedorahosted.org/fesco/ticket/755
05:24:25 <tagoh> Features/libpinyin: https://fedorahosted.org/fesco/ticket/736
05:24:42 <tagoh> Features/IndicUnicode6: https://fedorahosted.org/fesco/ticket/730
05:25:03 <tagoh> all of the features looks approved.
05:25:42 <tagoh> hope wiki will be updated shortly
05:25:54 <juhp> great
05:26:02 <tagoh> anything else for f17?
05:27:31 <tagoh> okay, better move on then.
05:27:37 <tagoh> #topic Input Methods
05:27:50 <tagoh> any news, updates or concerns etc to share about IM?
05:28:04 <juhp> (I can't think of anything except that is running pretty ok for me inside kvm with gnome-shell)
05:28:17 <tagoh> juhp: cool
05:28:18 <juhp> (sorry previous topic)
05:29:34 <tagoh> fujiwarat: anything from ibus?
05:30:19 <fujiwarat> The following is the new control+space:
05:30:20 <fujiwarat> http://fujiwara.fedorapeople.org/ibus/gnome-shell/ibus-im-switcher.png
05:30:57 <fujiwarat> Currently I'm implementing it on shell:
05:30:58 <fujiwarat> http://fujiwara.fedorapeople.org/ibus/gnome-shell/ibus-shell-im-switcher.png
05:31:17 <tagoh> fujiwarat: do you want to explain more? :)
05:31:42 <fujiwarat> The new Control+Space works likes Alt+Tab.
05:32:12 <juhp> aha
05:32:15 <tagoh> does it always appear when pressing ctrl+space?
05:32:23 <fujiwarat> yes
05:32:51 <juhp> interesting
05:33:04 <tagoh> aha
05:33:33 <juhp> I am still wondering if we should use a new key for the new behaviour?
05:33:46 <juhp> though not sure what that key should be... :)
05:34:08 <juhp> anyway it looks attractive
05:34:47 <tagoh> is it kept on the screen during ibus is being activated? or hidden by the timeout?
05:34:51 <juhp> fujiwarat, so longer can toggle IM with single Ctrl-Space or I changes with release of keys?
05:35:01 <juhp> s/I //
05:35:12 <juhp> guess we need to try it...
05:36:02 <tagoh> okay
05:36:41 <tagoh> looking forward to see the testing package then.
05:37:02 <tagoh> dueno: do you have anything? :)
05:37:44 <juhp> s/so/so no/
05:37:46 <fujiwarat> The current problem is when I switch the engine to another engine, the current engine is set to the previous engine. So the case of en->fr, en->ru users has the problem. The new Control+Space can fix the problem until the Control key is released.
05:38:18 <juhp> fujiwarat, aha
05:38:35 <juhp> ok it sounds like a better behaviour then perhaps
05:38:44 <juhp> good
05:38:50 <juhp> iiuc :)
05:40:15 <tagoh> okay, anything else?
05:41:56 <anish_> released english-typing-booster with MIT license
05:42:11 <tagoh> anish_: cool
05:42:36 <anish_> tagoh, thanks :)
05:44:29 <tagoh> okay, let's move on then.
05:44:37 <tagoh> #topic Fonts and Rendering
05:46:06 <tagoh> released libeasyfc 0.5 for bug fixes and worked out implementing it on fonts-tweak-tool on my git repo: https://github.com/tagoh/fonts-tweak-tool/
05:47:28 <tagoh> need to think about detecting monospaced fonts because no or less monospaced fonts is in the list so far.
05:48:21 <juhp> aha nice
05:50:10 <tagoh> good to try. any feedback are welcome :)
05:51:02 <tagoh> I guess it's all on the agenda. anything else before closing the meeting?
05:51:29 <juhp> looks great!
05:53:08 <tagoh> juhp: thanks
05:53:52 <tagoh> okay, if nope, will close the meeting shortly.
05:53:54 <juhp> one thing occurs to me - should it also support languages in addition to locales?
05:54:11 <juhp> I mean like en vs en-us ?
05:54:15 <juhp> etc
05:54:27 <tagoh> it should works.
05:54:37 <juhp> aha
05:55:18 <juhp> but only locales listed in the UI, I mean?
05:56:10 <juhp> I dunno if it is oversimplifying too much to only list languages by default and make locales an advanced option?
05:56:24 <juhp> just a "random idea" that occurred to me anyway
05:57:39 <tagoh> which one are you referring as "locale" btw?
05:58:28 <juhp> well there is no "English" in the language list only "English (Country)", etc
06:00:27 <tagoh> well, that change will cause the unexpected behavior on selecting fonts in fontconfig, because it has different orth files with the region too.
06:00:37 <juhp> not sure yet how useful it will be for European languages but anyway - so maybe Arabic is a better example
06:00:46 <juhp> aha
06:00:52 <juhp> hm ok
06:01:19 <tagoh> for en, it would be too much though.
06:03:33 <tagoh> okay, let's stop here then. thanks everyone for the meeting!
06:03:39 <juhp> what if I want to use a particular font for all Arabic say? :)
06:04:45 <juhp> or Chinese
06:04:57 <tagoh> juhp: depends on the application. if rendering library has a fallback feature like pango, it will just works with other fonts. otherwise empty glyphs will be rendered.
06:05:04 <tagoh> I guess
06:05:17 <juhp> erm
06:05:22 <juhp> s/use/configure/
06:05:48 <tagoh> it's obvious if you do change to the specific font on gucharmap say.
06:07:29 <juhp> I trying to say it would be better if font-tweak-tool supported setting font per language not just locale :)
06:07:31 <tagoh> guess fontconfig needs to have any way to delete the fonts from the candidate list to do it in fontconfig.
06:08:17 <tagoh> juhp: good example would be Chinese.
06:08:24 <juhp> yes
06:08:44 <tagoh> what's the expected behavior if one is looking up with zh?
06:09:01 <juhp> the font I configured in the tool? :)
06:10:04 <juhp> admittedly I didn't look at any generated .conf output yet... :)
06:10:06 <tagoh> yes as long as the applications/rendering library is also looking up the fonts with zh.
06:10:29 <juhp> true
06:11:20 <juhp> well I think it would be nice to support both if possible
06:11:37 <juhp> anyway good progress :)
06:12:43 <tagoh> from the terms of the language tag say, zh does match with zh-cn but zh-cn doesn't match with zh. so if they tries to look up with zh-cn, it won't works.. need to check how it works on fontconfig though.
06:13:12 <juhp> ah
06:15:16 <juhp> well I am not saying it is an urgent feature but just feeling supporting languages would make for a simply UI perhaps
06:15:55 <tagoh> I see
06:16:36 <tagoh> okay, anything else?
06:19:47 <tagoh> let's stop here then. thanks again!
06:19:52 <tagoh> #endmeeting