04:00:01 #startmeeting 04:00:01 Meeting started Sat Jan 21 04:00:01 2012 UTC. The chair is tuanta. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 04:00:01 Useful Commands: #action #agreed #halp #info #idea #link #topic. 04:00:09 #meetingname APAC 04:00:09 The meeting name has been set to 'apac' 04:00:09 +1 Tuan 04:00:13 .fas dramsey 04:00:14 dramsey: dramsey 'David Ramsey' 04:00:14 .fas izhar 04:00:18 KageSenshi: izhar 'Mohd Izhar Firdaus Ismail' 04:00:21 #topic Ambassador Pinging 04:00:22 .fas suresht 04:00:23 Suresh: suresht 'Sureshkumar Packiyarajah' 04:00:27 .fas tuanta 04:00:31 .fas udinnet 04:00:31 tuanta: tuanta 'Truong Anh Tuan' 04:00:35 udinnet: udinnet 'Uditha Bandara Wijerathna' 04:00:38 My name is dramsey, from Japan and I use Fedora 15 from a DVD and Fedora 16 from an .ISO. 04:01:07 #chair dramsey KageSenshi Suresh udinnet 04:01:07 Current chairs: KageSenshi Suresh dramsey tuanta udinnet 04:01:16 #link https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Meeting:APAC_Ambassadors_2012-01-21#Agenda 04:01:27 it's uresh from lk and I use Fedora 16 from a DVD 04:01:47 My name is Tuan, from Vietnam; I use Fedora 16 04:02:02 izhar here from .MY and i believe all of us who attend today's meeting already know each other :P 04:02:22 I'm Uditha from Sri Lanka. Using F16 from DVD 04:02:25 KageSenshi: D 04:02:26 what does "from a DVD" mean, dramsey and Suresh? 04:02:30 :) 04:02:37 and udinnet :) 04:02:47 Boot and load = my DVD writing. 04:02:51 Good quesiton 04:02:57 live cd and DVD means fully installed ;) 04:02:57 +1 dramsey 04:02:58 s/iton/tion 04:02:59 XD 04:03:01 I installed Fedora 16 permanently to my laptop :) 04:03:44 agenda??? 04:03:44 I do some of the Fedora nightly builds especially for F17 and try out different kernels 04:03:55 Next topic? 04:04:02 yep 04:04:11 yes 04:04:18 #topic News from FAmSCo 04:04:51 I just see FAmSCo released the montly report 04:05:01 +1 Tuan 04:05:24 no more news :) 04:05:35 kaio is here? 04:05:46 we should have a FAmSCo attend 04:06:09 #link http://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/famsco/2011-January/000566.html famsco monthly report from 11th jan 04:06:22 a lot of FAmSCo members live in APAC now; but no one join to this APAC meeting! 04:06:26 eh wrong page 04:06:27 #undo 04:06:27 Removing item from minutes: 04:07:04 very true tuanta 04:07:18 I don't really know what they are doing 04:07:40 tuanta: it's true. 04:07:43 Maybe busy with their career 04:07:48 I believe it would be much better if FAmSCo attend regional meetings 04:07:55 we need to have at lease one of them. 04:08:13 :( 04:08:15 so next? 04:08:20 yep 04:08:27 #topic Review *ACTION* items from the last meeting 04:10:01 bckurera is not here today 04:10:07 I have got to pending actions: 04:10:13 1. revisit ACTION: tuanta: submit a question on the ambassador mailing list to ask about Fedora 16 release dinners 04:10:18 that has been done. 04:10:29 and 2. revisit ACTION: tuanta raise the chicken/egg situation in mentoring 04:10:30 done too 04:11:21 my first one, I posted a question onto the ams list; the answer seems: there is no more Fedora dinners 04:11:58 For me, the food makes the event 04:12:38 and the second one: I decided to ask a favor from Heherson (an approved mentor) 04:12:43 .ticket 12 04:12:48 Suresh: #12 (db1 upgrade) – Fedora Infrastructure - https://fedorahosted.org/fedora-infrastructure/ticket/12 04:12:53 it will be closed 04:13:33 final one was ACTION: #112 bckurera ships swag soon as possible 04:13:45 I think FanciscoD is not around too. So we've to move the action items to the next meeting 04:13:47 any update about this??? 04:13:49 +1 dramsey; I personally love "the dinners" idea; that's another opportunity for organizers to summarize things and have improvement next times 04:14:37 Suresh: I thought bckurera will be here today. Will move that action to the next meeting 04:14:48 udinnet: it;s not FanciscoD Agenda 04:15:02 ok go on 04:15:30 #action bckurera ships swag soon as possible 04:16:04 We can move on -- > :) 04:16:20 More forward 04:16:24 s/re/ve 04:16:35 yes 04:16:38 how about this action "all -> please give input on FUDCon 12 Malaysia bid document" 04:16:51 ? 04:16:51 erm 04:17:04 its already submitted for evaluation .. 04:17:04 :) 04:17:19 when is the deadline for FUDCon bidding? 04:17:34 11th jan 04:17:38 10 days ago 04:17:57 now, what we can do for the bidding? 04:18:15 convince jsmith to get it run in .MY? :P 04:18:30 +1 Kage 04:18:32 azneita told he'll support for the MY bid 04:18:42 :) 04:18:52 not the PH one? 04:19:20 because the time frm is not fit for them. 04:19:22 I see him in the organizing team :) 04:20:03 a bit confused: he tries to organize PH one and support MY one :) 04:20:08 yes but they'll support for thr MY :) 04:20:24 he told so.. 04:20:57 Suresh: I see some actions relate to you 04:21:02 two last ones 04:21:07 me??? 04:21:17 * Suresh checking logs... 04:21:18 yes, you 04:21:20 any updates? 04:21:23 What I'll be the actual time period for APAC FUDCon? 04:21:27 draw up plan of action for suresh's idea "proper fpo website" 04:21:40 and "-> all: follow up suresh's plans" 04:22:17 you mean "proper fpo website"??? 04:22:38 * udinnet see laptop battery power going down :( 04:22:38 #link http://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting/2012-01-07/apac.2012-01-07-04.01.html 04:23:05 udinnet, 1st march - 31st may .. my bid 18-20th may .. 04:23:32 if there are no other updates, we should move on to the next topic 04:23:41 KageSenshi: thanks :) 04:24:09 #topic APAC Trac for regional support 04:24:11 tuanta: i was busy so there were no update yet. if you have any q please place under my topic i am willing to A.. 04:25:15 I have no question, Suresh 04:25:31 We have two tickets in this topic 04:25:37 1. https://fedorahosted.org/fedora-apac/ticket/12 04:26:04 with some swags requested 04:26:07 12 and 13 both are ready to closed 04:26:29 yes, I see 04:26:33 that's cool 04:26:33 tuanta: The reason for azneita's decision was, they decided to make FUDCon in July-Aug. 04:26:57 ah, I understand, udinnet, thanks! 04:27:12 #topic APAC events 04:28:11 should we discuss on FUDCon bidding in this topic or let it to the last topic? 04:28:24 last 04:28:33 Let us hold til end may be others join. What do you think> 04:28:34 We've done that foss event in SUSL University. We had a session for sys admin using fedora too 04:28:38 s/>/? 04:28:38 FADKL next saturday 04:28:45 +1 dramsey 04:28:53 +1 dramsey 04:29:06 it's cool KageSenshi 04:29:14 Fedora 16 Akihabara on 01st, 15th & 29th 04:29:18 nice to hear that 04:29:19 Cool KageSenshi 04:29:31 +1 udinnet 04:29:33 how many ppl will come? 04:29:44 have you got a wiki page? 04:30:07 fadkl? .. no wiki page.. just event page here : http://fedora.my/events/fadkl012012/ 04:30:13 wait let me check the registration 04:30:17 * udinnet still collecting photos of SUSL event 04:30:51 23 registered 04:31:18 no idea how many will actually be coming :) usually less than registrants XD .. 04:31:18 KageSenshi: +1 04:31:29 great, I am looking forward to the event report 04:31:49 :) 04:32:19 any other upcoming events? 04:32:28 https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FedoraEvents#FY12_Q4_.28December_2011_-_February_2012.29_2 04:32:37 I think that is it\ 04:32:43 More forward? 04:32:52 yep 04:33:27 KageSenshi: lets make it as info? 04:33:48 udinnet, huh? 04:33:56 FAD 04:34:10 #info FAD KL will be held next Saturday 04:34:12 #topic Status of F16 Release Parties 04:34:28 https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/F16_release_events 04:34:35 No updates since 12/27/2012 04:34:51 yes, I think we should remove this from meetingagenda 04:34:52 I liked creating that Fedora 16 wiki 04:34:59 2012? 04:35:17 c/2012/2011 :) 04:35:29 next item~ .. 04:35:51 should we next for focusing on F17 release parties? 04:35:51 move forward 04:35:57 Yup! 04:35:58 #topic Status of F17 Release Parties 04:35:58 yep 04:36:01 https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/F17_release_events 04:36:19 By early February, we should have swag numbers to FAmsco 04:36:31 pre planing 04:36:35 Following the http://rbergero.fedorapeople.org/schedules/f-17/f-17-ambassadors-tasks.html Fedora 17 Ambassadors Team Tasks 04:37:10 From February now March 08th 04:37:26 +1 Preplanning Suresh and Fedora 17 needs Tuan 04:37:37 That is it from me. 04:38:16 I have two Release Parties scheduled. May 20, 2012 & June 03, 2012 04:38:44 I will also have 2-3 ones in Hanoi, Hue and/or HCMC 04:39:00 I will contact to the organizing teams then update to the wiki soon 04:39:18 we need to have here too 04:39:31 +1 Tuan and Suresh 04:39:34 We can do it! 04:39:40 Suresh: +1 04:39:56 Suresh: Will plan it 04:40:10 udinnet: yep ;) 04:40:13 the time period for organizing release parties is 08 May to 08 June 04:40:32 when f17 release again ? 04:40:40 #info the time period for organizing F17 release parties is 08 May to 08 June 04:41:35 About May 08th KageSenshi 04:41:48 KageSenshi, 08th May 04:41:56 cool .. guess might be cool to fit mine in fudcon if i win the bid :P 04:41:58 #link http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Releases/17/Schedule 04:42:10 +1 KageSenshi 04:42:15 that's great idea 04:42:19 +1 KageSenshi and Tuan 04:43:50 #action update your F17 release parties to the wiki at https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/F17_release_events 04:43:55 next then? 04:44:00 yes 04:44:02 :) 04:44:03 Move forward 04:44:14 #topic APAC plans for 2012(Suresh) 04:44:41 Suresh, any more updates should be discussed on today? 04:44:45 Suresh? 04:44:58 #link https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/APAC_Plans_2012 04:45:04 thanks tuanta 04:45:14 there were no update yet 04:45:19 Suresh, I have some questions: 04:45:37 go on.. 04:45:39 have you got a review process? 04:45:48 which can help you to follow the plan up 04:45:57 we have a plan 04:46:17 not yet since i could not attend last meeting thought 04:46:59 I think we should discuss on the way to make that plan happened 04:47:03 look forwrding to submit to famsco sice it has inclued prize's 04:47:22 +1 Suresh 04:47:40 Notes, APAC had the most events per release two times in a row 04:48:06 Suresh, could you draft a process which can help us to do that plan? 04:48:47 e.g. break down to the detailed actions; review all in two weeks; etc. 04:48:48 tuanta: dramsey yes i will do 04:48:57 great, Suresh 04:49:10 should you mark a new action? 04:49:21 * Suresh is busy with day job 04:49:42 i will try to finish it up soon as possible ;) 04:49:45 how about night, Suresh? :) 04:50:21 #action Suresh draft a process which can help to push the APAC plan forward 04:51:04 tuanta: we have 24 hours service softwre company so night shife and day time both since it's overseas patner 04:51:09 just stepped out 04:51:24 dramsey, please take the chair for me :) 04:51:37 Sounds good Tuan, we all are #chair 04:51:41 Next topic? 04:51:56 next~ 04:52:47 next. 04:52:53 #topic Fedora and Red Hat System Administration Study Group for Ambassadors 04:52:58 Trying to get you guys into the SysadminSG https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/System_Administration_Study_Guide that is it from me. 04:53:03 thanks dramsey 04:53:06 That is a good update from my work with herlo 04:53:18 No other information to add. 04:53:33 dramsey: already we have got your mail ;) 04:53:33 Any questions, comments and/or next topic? 04:53:45 dramsey: it's awesome ;) 04:53:46 +1 Suresh, I wanted you all to know of the opportunity 04:53:56 +1 dramsey 04:54:49 I hope by next month and beyond more SysadminSG opportunities are your to behold. 04:54:54 That is it from me. 04:54:57 Next topic? 04:55:06 next 04:55:10 yes 04:55:11 https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/System_Administration_Study_Guide 04:55:24 Topic Ambassadors' survey followup(ankursinha) 04:55:29 Whoops 04:55:40 #topic Ambassadors' survey followup(ankursinha) 04:56:22 FranciscoD is not here today :( 04:56:33 * tuanta back 04:56:41 so next? 04:56:46 Yup 04:56:51 yes 04:56:51 +1 04:56:51 Tuan, want to steer? 04:56:57 Yes, move forward 04:57:32 #topic pros and cons of the various FUDCon APAC bids 04:57:53 http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FUDCon:Bid_for_Beijing_2012 04:57:53 http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FUDCon:APAC_2012_Bid_Malaysia 04:57:53 http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FUDCon:Bid_for_Philippines_2012 04:58:06 XD 04:58:06 thanks dramsey 04:58:17 Would be great if Heherson as well as Gerard&Kaio were here to represent their countries' bids, too 04:58:41 dramsey: yes that's right 04:58:46 dramsey: +1 04:59:04 So big weight for the MY right? 04:59:34 Looks to KageSenshi... 04:59:48 Make your pitch 04:59:48 middle of South east asia~ 04:59:51 I see PH bidding's time periods are not fit at all 05:00:13 tuanta: that was the reason :) 05:00:18 lets see ... cheap flight on airasia to get here .. plenty of food to choose from .. 05:00:26 again, what are the permitted time periods? 05:00:55 tuanta, 1/3/2012-31/5/2012 05:01:05 KageSenshi: What is the airport name please? 05:01:19 I should check the prices 05:01:25 #info valid time period for APAC FUDCon 2012 is 1/3/2012-31/5/2012 05:01:43 airport name -> if you are taking low cost airasia -> KLIA-LCCT .. if you are taking normal flight companies -> KLIA 05:02:05 city code is KUL iirc 05:02:13 +1 05:02:17 so if PH team can not change their time period, PH bidding should be out (they can bid again next year) 05:02:23 Malaysia, truly Asia. 05:02:30 XD 05:02:38 KLIA & LCCT is just nearby each other .. though lcct is more minimalist and cheap 05:02:38 +1 dramsey 05:02:39 I also prefer KL 05:02:44 KageSenshi: Thanks 05:02:51 "lcct -> low cost cargo terminal" 05:02:57 easy to travel to (cheaper and faster) 05:03:38 almost of us here need to ask for a visa to travel to China 05:03:45 refering to Beijing_2012.we need to have Gerard&Kaio but there are trying since last year ;) 05:03:46 is that right? 05:04:09 the team here was involved in helping out organizing number of local FOSS events .. so we're kindof up to the job .. 05:04:25 great 05:04:30 as for visa, like any SEA countries, travel between ASEAN countries doesnt need visa .. 05:05:05 up to 1 month stay .. 05:05:31 +1 KageSenshi 05:05:46 just in case .. ASEAN != asian btw :) 05:05:51 I can even fly to KL in the morning then back to Hanoi in the evening :) 05:06:19 but I see getting a visa to Malaysia is easy 05:06:30 Suresh can confirm this 05:06:46 tuanta: yes you are right 05:07:00 Suresh, how many days you need to get the visa? 05:07:18 i dont about china and ph but i have traveled my for several times 05:07:21 3 days 05:07:44 tuanta: 3 working days 05:08:04 they will offer 1 month visa 05:08:12 cool 05:08:16 though i heard ppl from some countries might get a bit stricter treatment for the first visit .. but easier for subsequent visits .. 05:08:34 Singapore is "very" close! 05:08:41 mainly due to the amount of foreign workers we have here 05:08:45 Love the hospitality of Malaysia. 05:09:00 +1 Malaysia 05:09:02 so here, we all support KL bidding, right? 05:09:08 Inside scoop, Beijing people "enjoy" going to Kuala Lumpur 05:09:15 * tuanta +1 Malaysia 05:09:25 and all others? 05:09:34 dramsey, whats with the in-quote ? :) 05:10:11 wait, we should have a official vote now then make an agreement 05:10:28 Ah, "enjoy" they "go!!!" :) Tourism is like shooting for close to million... 05:10:39 official vote??? 05:10:46 this vote would be the voice of APAC ambassadors 05:11:09 +1 tuan 05:11:10 we do not have Gerard,Kio and anize??? 05:11:23 the vote: where do we select for FUDCon? 05:11:36 PH bidding is invalid 05:11:46 ok 05:11:50 Suresh, you can see the time period 05:11:50 I have reviewed all three Wikis thoroughly and understood the venues 05:11:53 how about China? 05:11:59 my choice is MY 05:12:21 * tuanta support MY 05:12:24 Suresh: Travelling to china is cost much 05:12:33 +1 udinnet 05:12:50 regardless , the final decision is up to jsmith-away :) 05:12:51 while, you know, the FUDCon budget is limited 05:13:01 yes, KageSenshi 05:13:11 but we should have a strong voice from APAC 05:13:35 but it's seems we how many of us going to participating 05:13:47 I hope that some of you get to attend and "see" the FUDCon APAC. 05:13:50 let say 15-20 from apac 05:13:51 That is my thought. 05:14:18 a lot, I think, Suresh 05:14:19 Let us do an initial and follow-up ... Let us do something and if additional meeting is needed I think is good, what do you think? 05:14:44 If MY bidding wins, I will be there. 05:14:53 tuanta: not actually it's aroung 20 like that 05:14:54 it's easy to travel to KL 05:15:13 Yes thats right, we can do additional meetings, like before 05:15:15 dramsey: +1 05:15:30 we need to have all bid's ownes for more q's 05:15:32 :) Great service and "Malaysia, Truly Asia!!!" :) 05:15:34 as I remember, there are over 500 participants in the last APAC FUDCon in Pune 05:15:43 As tuan said we need strong voice from APAC 05:15:56 tuanta: i mean coming from overseas??? 05:16:10 tuanta, they are mostly students of the college that host it 05:16:30 Suresh, most of them are from India 05:16:48 Big india !!! XD 05:17:03 so big amount of hosting ppl 05:17:08 I also believe that travel from India (where a lot of Fedora contributors located) to MY is easier 05:17:10 yep you are right .i was talking about overseas ppl. 05:17:40 MY is much more open 05:17:51 anyway i like dramsey though "Let us do something and if additional meeting is needed" 05:18:04 Suresh: +1 05:18:35 then they accept ppl from almost countries and regions much easier 05:19:10 can we do a vote and make and agreement now? 05:19:16 +1 Suresh 05:19:20 +1 Tuan 05:19:26 I hope we should have a voice in this meeting 05:19:42 you can see the Jared's response 05:19:55 +1 Tuan 05:20:03 and my voice: +1 for MY 05:20:06 one thing though for india .. airasia just dropped their india flights a few weeks ago due to increment of airport tax .. :( 05:20:13 +1 for MY 05:20:55 +1 for MY 05:21:21 and Suresh, have you got your final voice? 05:21:29 and KageSenshi? :) 05:21:41 tuanta, i'm biased :P 05:22:39 Suresh was gone :( 05:22:57 we're over 1.5hr :) 05:23:02 XD 05:23:22 next~! :) 05:23:28 #agreed APAC ambassadors support MY bidding for FUDCon APAC 2012 05:23:31 Well done everyone, if additional follow-up and questions then let us find out. :) 05:23:34 +1 Tuan 05:23:49 so next? 05:23:55 please 05:24:00 Suresh, your vote? 05:24:03 #topic Open Floor 05:24:19 it's a good meeting today 05:24:21 dramsey: sorry i got disconnected 05:24:32