05:02:47 <tagoh> #startmeeting i18n
05:02:47 <zodbot> Meeting started Thu Jan 19 05:02:47 2012 UTC.  The chair is tagoh. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.
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05:02:52 <tagoh> #meetingname i18n
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05:03:00 <tagoh> #topic agenda and roll call
05:03:11 <tagoh> https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/I18N/Meetings/2012-01-19
05:03:34 <tagoh> let's have weekly i18n meeting now. who else here today?
05:04:57 <juhp> hi
05:05:12 <dueno> hi
05:05:38 <jni> hi
05:06:21 <fujiwarat> hi
05:07:58 <tagoh> hi guys, okay, let's get started.
05:08:03 <tagoh> #topic F17
05:08:32 <epico_laptop> hi
05:08:36 <tagoh> any updates on your features?
05:08:51 <pravins> hi
05:09:31 <tagoh> pravins: btw do you have any pointer for 22 official indian languages support? I couldn't find it out in any categories for feature pages.
05:09:33 <paragan> hi
05:09:39 <pravins> tagoh: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Features/Additional_Indic_Langs moved this feature to FeatureReadyForWrangler
05:10:03 <tagoh> pravins: ah, okay. thanks!
05:10:30 <pravins> tagoh: welcome, hoping to get it moved to ReadForFesco soon
05:10:54 <tagoh> yep. added it to the agenda.
05:11:53 <tagoh> jni: how's fonts-tweak-tool going on?
05:13:31 <jni> tagoh, hi, i use libeasyfc to get fonts list and use Gtkcombobox to display it, also modify the language list and choose language dialog.
05:15:03 <juhp> jni, is it in github or ?
05:15:06 <jni> tagoh, the next step i think is to combine them together, implement the function for "apply" button, write it fonts alias to a file
05:15:20 <jni> juhp, yeah, it is in the github
05:15:40 <jni> https://github.com/jamesni/fonts-tweak-tool
05:17:44 <juhp> cool
05:17:49 <tagoh> okay..
05:18:56 <tagoh> the feature page is still incomplete to propose. this is the main concern to move next step. I'll help some to complete it
05:19:30 <juhp> aha yes please
05:19:47 <juhp> jni, we need that before you go for holiday
05:20:04 <tagoh> jni: please update the percentage of completion as well. at least you're starting to implement it, it shouldn't be still 0%.
05:20:25 <jni> tagoh, ok
05:21:04 <jni> juhp, ok, i will update the feature page this afternoon.
05:21:10 <tagoh> cool
05:21:26 <jni> tagoh, thanks
05:22:55 <tagoh> how about IndicUnicode6?
05:24:18 <pravins> tagoh: yes, that is approved now :)
05:24:26 <pravins> work in going on it
05:24:32 <pravins> https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Features/IndicUnicode6
05:25:29 <tagoh> sure. how much tasks you've done and you need to do so far?
05:26:07 <tagoh> pravins: that would be nice if you can update the page if there are any progress.
05:26:18 <pravins> tagoh: yes, sure. i will update it
05:26:24 <tagoh> thanks
05:27:11 <anish_> I have written this feature ,https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Features/ibus-european-table
05:27:22 <anish_> please let me know your comments
05:27:31 <juhp> https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Features/ibus-european-table
05:27:37 <tagoh> anish_: guess you may need to follow the format in current status to what others do?
05:28:46 <anish_> tagoh, i am not getting it , i have used empty template
05:30:10 <tagoh> anish_: template should contains the targeted release, the last updated and the percentage of completion in current status.
05:30:45 <anish_> tagoh, ohh okie i will update that
05:30:48 <anish_> thanks
05:31:30 <juhp> anish_, I can also help to review it this week when it is ready
05:31:50 <anish_> thanks juhp
05:31:53 <tagoh> epico_laptop: how about libpinyin?
05:32:19 <juhp> looks like we will have a lot of features this time for f17 :-)
05:32:37 <epico_laptop> libpinyin is FeatureReadyForFesco
05:32:50 <epico_laptop> and libpinyin 0.5.0 released.
05:33:40 <tagoh> juhp: yeah
05:34:07 <tagoh> epico_laptop: cool.
05:34:13 <epico_laptop> :)
05:35:13 <tagoh> btw any news for indic-typing-booster in f17? just wonder if we need to keep it in the agenda?
05:35:48 <anish_> i am planning to release in beta version
05:36:47 <tagoh> we could move it under the input method topic perhaps?
05:37:04 <pravins> tagoh: i was thinking to report feature for it
05:37:11 <tagoh> aha
05:37:23 <pravins> but i guess, additional indic language and Unicode6.0  going to take my full time
05:37:43 <tagoh> I see
05:38:03 <anish_> i will file feature for it
05:38:08 <pravins> anish_: that will be nice
05:38:12 <juhp> cool
05:38:22 <tagoh> okay. nice
05:38:29 <pravins> tagoh: we have done lots of improvement for it and it deserve feature
05:38:52 <pravins> anish_: i am about to complete Malayalam language support in typing booster
05:38:53 <juhp> anish_, just a thought - an alternative would be to compose the typing-booster features
05:38:59 <juhp> but two is fine too
05:39:08 <pravins> juhp: yes, good idea
05:39:36 <tagoh> juhp: aha. yeah, that may be a good idea.
05:39:42 <anish_> yes but indic -typing is little different
05:39:47 * juhp is not sure how many features FESCo wants to look at :)
05:39:49 <juhp> anish_, true
05:39:57 <juhp> ok
05:40:34 <juhp> let's have two then? :)
05:40:40 <anish_> yes :)
05:40:44 <pravins> juhp: yes
05:40:50 <juhp> but have to be quick :)
05:41:16 <anish_> yes need to finish in this
05:41:19 <tagoh> dunno about branding but that sounds good to have one from the branding POV but not separate features, but anyway.
05:41:26 <juhp> true
05:41:38 <juhp> valid point
05:41:54 <juhp> well have think about it anyway
05:42:09 <juhp> two is not always better than one :)
05:42:47 <pravins> juhp: or may be we can give update regarding ITB from i18nrelease  notes?
05:42:59 <pravins> lets wait for Fedora 18
05:43:18 <pravins> i think by F18, we will have more language supports in ITB
05:43:48 <juhp> from branding point of view https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Features/TypingBooster sounds stronger
05:43:52 <pravins> tagoh: what you say?
05:43:55 <juhp> as tagoh also suggests
05:44:11 <tagoh> juhp: yeah
05:44:52 <juhp> one stronger feature is better than two smaller ones so maybe give it, a little more thought?
05:44:54 <tagoh> that can covers *-typing-booster features, including english-* and indic-* if theree are any.
05:45:01 <juhp> right
05:45:11 <pravins> juhp: but i think english has more audience, so better to highlight only it then
05:45:25 <juhp> pravins, well people can see both
05:45:52 <juhp> pravins, anyway the name was your idea... :)
05:46:19 <pravins> thanks  :) good to see we are moving to generic feature for fedora
05:46:33 <pravins> s/to/towards
05:46:57 <tagoh> okay, anything else for f17?
05:46:57 <juhp> well more general feature is interesting for wider audience at least
05:47:05 <pravins> yes, fair enough
05:47:08 <tagoh> juhp: right
05:48:09 <tagoh> okay, let's move on then.
05:48:16 <tagoh> #topic Input Methods
05:48:32 <tagoh> any updates, news or concerns to share?
05:49:37 <tagoh> fujiwarat: anything from ibus?
05:49:48 <anish_> ibus-european-table-1.1.5-1 is available for testing
05:50:06 <anish_> i have added couple of features
05:50:19 <tagoh> anish_: aha
05:50:23 <juhp> I like the "tab completion" :)
05:50:34 <anish_> juhp, thanks
05:50:42 <tagoh> sounds nice
05:51:05 <juhp> (Tab is now an alternative for 1 in the candidate list)
05:51:44 <juhp> hmm one could also make Tab an alternative for Down perhaps?
05:52:00 <juhp> ie go through the candidate list
05:52:07 <anish_> juhp, that would be good idea
05:52:20 <fujiwarat> I'm implementing new ibus-gnome3 with ibus-xkb which requires rawhide gnome-shell & mutter. I try to use libgnomekbd not to use xkb directly.
05:52:33 <tagoh> juhp: aha. I like that one rather than behaving a shortcut of 1.
05:53:10 <juhp> aha f17 has gnome-shell-3.3
05:53:16 <juhp> ok
05:53:17 <pravins> tagoh: yes agree
05:53:58 <tagoh> saw a mail that there are some breakage around gnome-shell in rawhide now btw.
05:54:01 <juhp> anish_, may also be good for indic booster :)
05:54:13 <juhp> I see
05:54:25 <juhp> yeah I think I couldn't get gnome to startup
05:54:29 <anish_> juhp, yes agree
05:54:43 <pravins> yes, anish_ do add frequency based sorting as well in ITB
05:54:52 <fujiwarat> Yeah, I fixed some build issues locally.
05:54:59 <juhp> aha
05:55:56 <tagoh> okay, good
05:56:19 <tagoh> anything else for IM?
05:56:23 <juhp> (3.2.2 seems to be coming to f16 updates-testing too)
05:56:55 <juhp> wonder if all the indicators need rebuilding for that?
05:57:05 <juhp> or extensions
05:57:46 <tagoh> guess so because of the API changes.
05:57:51 <fujiwarat> Yeah, I think it's a bug fix.
05:58:16 <tagoh> ah, for updates?
05:58:21 <tagoh> dunno
05:59:06 <fujiwarat> Ah, I meant the 3.2.2 update.
05:59:12 <tagoh> anyway, if there are no updates for IM any more, let's move on then.
05:59:48 <tagoh> #topic Fonts and Rendering
06:00:41 <tagoh> mistakenly pushed new libeasyfc package for f16 updates before moving 0.3 to stable...
06:00:57 <pravins> resolved bug resolved 781938 in smc-fonts
06:01:23 <tagoh> anyway, it fixes some bugs, good to use it anyway..
06:01:29 <pravins> it had few characters on Unicode reserved locations, so now it is Unicode compliant
06:01:58 <juhp> tagoh: cool
06:02:04 <tagoh> pravins: cool
06:05:33 <tagoh> btw kurdit-unikurd-web-fonts seems orphaning though, does anyone have interests to maintain?
06:06:43 <pravins> tagoh: it is for which language
06:06:51 <tagoh> Kurdish
06:07:15 <tagoh> it seems a default font for it
06:07:21 <tagoh> http://tagoh.fedorapeople.org/fonts/f16-defaultfonts.html
06:08:07 <tagoh> more details for other packages going to orphan if you haven't read yet: http://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/devel/2012-January/161324.html
06:08:49 <pravins> tagoh: yes, i can take it
06:08:59 <juhp> nice
06:09:05 <tagoh> pravins: thanks!
06:09:28 <paragan> I will take that font package
06:09:50 <juhp> ok first one to pkgdb ;) :)
06:09:53 <pravins> paragan: sure and thanks :)
06:10:02 <juhp> :)
06:10:27 <juhp> tagoh: nice catch
06:10:38 <tagoh> okay, anything else for fonts/rendering?
06:10:54 <juhp> dunno if there are any other i18n-ish packages - I didn't notice any particularly
06:11:22 <tagoh> juhp: me neither
06:11:28 <juhp> ok
06:12:01 <juhp> little OT but I noticed that f14 are still open?
06:12:09 <juhp> erm f14 bugs
06:12:34 <tagoh> juhp: yeah, not yet running auto-close this time.
06:12:37 <tagoh> dunno why
06:12:41 <juhp> well some of them may be fonts bugs ;) :)
06:12:47 <juhp> okay - maybe soon then
06:13:09 <juhp> anyway
06:13:37 <tagoh> okay, guess better stop the meeting here then.
06:13:50 <tagoh> thanks everyone for the meeting!
06:14:03 <anish_> thank you
06:14:18 <tagoh> #endmeeting