16:00:45 <tflink> #startmeeting Fedora QA meeting
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16:00:51 <tflink> #meetingname fedora-qa
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16:00:59 <tflink> #topic Roll Call
16:01:18 <tflink> Who's ready for some meeting fun time?
16:01:25 <tflink> #chair adamw
16:01:25 <zodbot> Current chairs: adamw tflink
16:01:36 <adamw> huh
16:01:40 <adamw> darn xchat and suspend/resume.
16:01:41 * jsmith lurks (during another conference call)
16:01:41 * kparal opts in for fun time
16:01:42 <adamw> i already started the meeting, in my own private bubble. :)
16:01:48 * jskladan is in
16:02:14 <tflink> adamw: a meeting of one!
16:03:19 * brunowolff is here
16:03:39 <adamw> tflink: keeps the riff-raff out!
16:04:06 <tflink> adamw: and I opened the flood gates :)
16:06:21 <adamw> alright, so - let's get going
16:06:27 <adamw> #topic f16 retrospective task update
16:06:49 <adamw> this is just my excuse to bug everyone about the stuff that came from the f16 retrospective, and remind us all it still needs doing :)
16:07:02 <adamw> https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Fedora_16_QA_Retrospective#Recommendations
16:07:09 <adamw> I haven't updated the 'closed' statuses there, btw.
16:08:08 <tflink> do you want to go through the individual tickets or just have us pipe up on status?
16:08:33 <adamw> no need to review each one i don't think
16:08:42 <adamw> just note that out of nine qa tickets, two are closed
16:09:27 <adamw> most of the others look like they have some activity; #151 (pschindl) and #259 (twu) don't
16:09:29 <tflink> I'm thinking that the Xen ticket can be closed, I should have looked at the first proposal more closely
16:09:34 <adamw> anyone know where they're at?
16:09:51 <adamw> tflink: that's fine, if the current test is complete and comprehensive
16:10:26 <kparal> I pinged pschindl
16:10:27 <adamw> jskladan: kparal: any idea of pschindl's status on his ticket?
16:10:30 <adamw> ah, thanks
16:10:49 <kparal> I don't
16:10:54 <kparal> know
16:11:55 <kparal> let's come back to it when he responds
16:12:28 <adamw> yup
16:12:52 <adamw> overall looks like we're doing okay on those tasks, so that's good. remember, we have until alpha starts up in earnest to get them done.
16:13:22 <adamw> #info two tickets are closed already and most of the others are being worked on actively
16:13:35 <adamw> #topic FUDCon Blacksburg notes
16:13:48 <adamw> hey, jay
16:13:53 * j_dulaney appologizes for tardiness
16:13:58 <adamw> that's all good
16:14:05 <adamw> we've just been over the retrospective tickets so far
16:14:12 <adamw> anything you wanted to add on that topic?
16:14:25 <j_dulaney> I'll check the logs and comment on the ML
16:15:07 <adamw> okay
16:15:18 <adamw> so, for fudcon: doesn't look like there are any big issues
16:15:21 <j_dulaney> What's been said so far on FUDCon
16:15:31 <adamw> nothing, i'd just set the topic when you waltzed in :)
16:15:40 <adamw> good lord, the tflinks are spawning
16:15:46 <adamw> i think he's got us surrounded
16:16:11 <j_dulaney> LOL
16:16:25 <tflink_> woah, that's strange
16:16:36 * j_dulaney is reminded of the British being attacked by Zulu
16:17:07 <adamw> ah, a classic pincer movement
16:17:12 <adamw> watch out for tflink__ on the right flank
16:17:24 <j_dulaney> LOL
16:17:47 <adamw> :)
16:17:50 <adamw> so as i was saying...
16:17:58 <adamw> looks like there's no problems with fudcon NA
16:18:20 <adamw> for those playing along at home, it's happening this weekend in blacksburg, which is in virginia (at least i hope it is, or i'm going to the wrong darn airport)
16:18:23 <jsmith> adamw: If only all of us could say that :-)
16:18:48 <adamw> tflink and I will be on hand to ruin QA's reputation and create gigantic bar bills for jsmith
16:18:56 <j_dulaney> LOL
16:19:01 <adamw> red_alert will also be there
16:19:08 * j_dulaney is going to be there
16:19:19 <adamw> and j_dulaney...yep
16:19:28 <j_dulaney> I'll try to run a bit of an AutoQA hackfest on Friday
16:19:38 <adamw> awesome
16:19:49 <adamw> i guess tflink may be able to help out there
16:19:54 * j_dulaney needs to get new headphones; these temp cheapos suck
16:19:55 <adamw> i thought sunday was for hackfests and such
16:19:56 <adamw> ?
16:20:01 <kparal> j_dulaney: what's the agenda of that hackfest?
16:20:05 <j_dulaney> Friday, too
16:20:12 <j_dulaney> kparal:  Self testing
16:20:25 <adamw> okay
16:20:27 * j_dulaney keeps meaning to blog about it
16:20:33 <adamw> yeah, blog is always a good idea
16:20:37 <kparal> I'll be looking out for it
16:20:38 <kparal> thanks
16:20:41 <adamw> i also need to remember to blog about it :)
16:21:09 <adamw> so aside from that, we have the anaconda ui testing hackfest planned for monday, red_alert is taking care of that
16:21:23 <j_dulaney> Sunday
16:21:27 <adamw> erf. yeah.
16:21:35 <adamw> it would be a lonely hackfest on monday...
16:21:48 <j_dulaney> Well, probably be some students there
16:21:51 <adamw> and i think various of us have presentations to propose.
16:22:12 <adamw> yeah, wondering where the Major Battles of the Zulu Wars class went wrong ;)
16:22:22 <tflink_> yeah, the barcamp proposal list looked a bit sparce last night
16:22:41 <adamw> tflink_: usually a lot of people don't bother listing talks ahead of time.
16:22:51 <adamw> or writing them ahead of time, in some cases (koff koff) :P
16:23:32 <adamw> but looks like we more or less have our plans in order, so that's good.
16:23:49 <adamw> i recommend making sure to eat with jsmith as much as possible so that red hat pays for your food. protip!
16:24:08 <j_dulaney> Indeed, especially as broke as I am
16:24:42 <adamw> awesome. so, any outstanding issues / questions on fudcon?
16:25:16 <j_dulaney> Where/how/when should we meet up?
16:25:23 <j_dulaney> QA party
16:25:48 <j_dulaney> With hot dogs
16:26:01 <jsmith> adamw: Thanks man :-)
16:26:18 <adamw> j_dulaney: good question...maybe we should aim to do a group lunch on one of the days?
16:26:46 <j_dulaney> Indeed
16:27:01 <adamw> i'm going to try and get a t-mobile prepaid sim this time, so i should have phone comms
16:27:03 * j_dulaney admits that he doesn't know what y'all look like
16:27:30 <adamw> j_dulaney: tflink and I and red_alert all know each other
16:27:34 <j_dulaney> So, find one, find all?
16:27:41 <adamw> yeah
16:27:49 <brunowolff> I am off to a work meeting.
16:27:50 <adamw> and usually it's not THAT hard to find people at fudcon; it's not so big
16:27:57 <adamw> alrighty bruno, cya later
16:28:12 <nirik> (just hang out at the bar... people will come to you. ;)
16:28:24 <adamw> pretty much everyone will be in one place during the initial keynote and meeting proposal period for e.g
16:28:49 <j_dulaney> Indeed
16:28:50 <adamw> we could aim to try and at least identify each other then, and then meet up again for lunch after the first session of talks, perhaps.
16:29:40 <adamw> sound good?
16:29:47 <tflink_> sounds like a plan to me
16:29:47 <j_dulaney> Indeed
16:30:02 * j_dulaney notes that it is likely he'll be the biggest there
16:30:08 <j_dulaney> With a beard
16:30:40 <adamw> ah, that'll make you stand RIGHT out in a meeting of *nix geeks ;)
16:30:50 <j_dulaney> LOL
16:31:11 <adamw> alright, we'll go with that plan. i'm sure it'll work out somehow.
16:31:33 <j_dulaney> Too bad there won't be any jlaska
16:31:37 * j_dulaney knows him
16:31:54 <adamw> yeah, it would've been good if james was there
16:32:29 <adamw> wwoods will be  there, though. with an awesome badge.
16:33:13 <adamw> alrighty, moving on
16:33:16 <adamw> #topic AutoQA update
16:33:36 <adamw> kparal, tflink - what's the news? remember it's been like a month since the last meeting. dec 11th, I think.
16:33:51 <kparal> I have some summary
16:33:56 * kparal taking the mic
16:34:08 <kparal> The last meeting was a long time ago, so I'll include also some items that happened before Christmas.
16:34:23 <kparal> 1. I added support for caching proxy inside AutoQA. This is useful mainly in devel environments where we don't have too much of bandwidth. Subsequent test executions are very fast. We can also share these files between multiple developers in an office by deploying the proxy on a shared computer.
16:34:47 <adamw> #chair kparal
16:34:47 <zodbot> Current chairs: adamw kparal tflink
16:34:51 <kparal> 2. There has been several problems in sending out (optin and regular) emails from our test clients. Hopefully I corrected all of them and optin email should be flowing once again.
16:35:06 <kparal> big thanks to jlaska here
16:35:08 <adamw> #info kparal added caching proxy support inside AutoQA
16:35:30 <adamw> #info kparal fixed several issues with sending out opt-out and opt-in emails
16:35:32 <kparal> 3. autoqa-results mailing list is revived. I cut down the amount of traffic substantialy by only sending full logs from test results. Currenly only emails from staging server are routed there. Production server still generates too much traffic, I'm working on it. I'll probably implement a configurable blacklist on these emails.
16:36:15 <kparal> 4. After re-enabling autoqa-results I spotted (too many) problems. Most of them should be reported as Hot issues in our Trac, free to take :)
16:36:17 <adamw> #info autoqa-results list is back, now with fewer messages!
16:36:32 <tflink_> my mail client can open that folder again!
16:36:38 <kparal> :)
16:36:57 <tflink_> for some reason, it doesn't handle folders with >10k messages all that well
16:37:10 <adamw> sounds like a productive period, thanks kparal
16:37:14 <adamw> tflink_: weak!
16:37:14 <kparal> very weird email client
16:37:20 <kparal> 5. AutoQA logo changed to Marvin the Paranoid Android, yay!
16:37:31 <kparal> #link http://www.iconfinder.com/icondetails/6392/128/automator_marvin_robot_icon
16:37:36 <kparal> It was about time for some optimistic imagery!
16:37:47 <j_dulaney> Win
16:38:15 <adamw> did we address the, er, legal concerns there?
16:38:24 <kparal> it's GPL icon
16:38:25 * tflink_ is still a little concerned about copyright on that one
16:38:42 <kparal> tflink_: shoot
16:38:58 <tflink_> kparal: true but I don't think that means we can use a copyrighted character from a secondary source
16:39:14 <tflink_> I sincerely doubt that the person who uploaded that icon had the rights to assign copyright
16:39:26 <adamw> even if the person who drew the image licenses it GPL or whatever, if it resembles the movie Marvin too much, the movie studio would have rights.
16:39:28 <kparal> I assumed it was uploaded by the author
16:39:45 <kparal> meaning I can't draw _my own_ mickey mouse?
16:39:48 <adamw> we couldn't use Mickey Mouse as the logo just because we used a drawing that wasn't actually by Disney - if it looks too much like Mickey, Disney has the rights.
16:39:53 <adamw> kparal: ..exactly.
16:40:01 <adamw> you can *draw* it
16:40:04 <tflink_> kparal: probably not
16:40:14 <kparal> is this the correct universe I live in?
16:40:17 <adamw> but using it 'commercially' (which is a very broad stroke) is troublesome.
16:40:21 <kparal> alright, I'll ask spot about it
16:40:44 <kparal> he's the license guru in Fedora, right?
16:40:49 <j_dulaney> Indeed
16:40:50 <adamw> he's our fake lawyer, yeah.
16:41:02 <adamw> and he knows how to talk to real lawyers :)
16:41:15 <kparal> it was such a pretty logo! :/
16:41:19 <adamw> life sucks, huh
16:41:21 <kparal> alright, moving on
16:41:30 <kparal> 6. Upgradepath displayed wrong results for multi-build updates. The fix is comitted but not deployed yet.
16:41:43 <kparal> and that's all the news I know of
16:42:00 <adamw> #info kparal proposed using an icon that rather resembles the version of Marvin from the recent H2G2 movie as AutoQA's icon, tflink and adamw raised legal concerns
16:42:17 <adamw> #action kparal to follow up with spot on the legal questions around the marvin logo
16:42:27 <adamw> kparal: cool, thanks
16:42:32 <adamw> tflink_: any news to add?
16:42:43 <tflink_> is remote_install autoqa related?
16:42:52 <kparal> nope
16:43:02 <kparal> it should have its own section I believe
16:43:08 <tflink_> then nope, nothing to add - I've been spending most of my time on that
16:43:09 <adamw> no, but we can talk about it in open discussion
16:44:01 <adamw> anyone else have any autoqa news / qs?
16:44:48 <adamw> okay then
16:44:56 <adamw> #topic open floor
16:45:11 <adamw> sounds like tflink would like to update us on remote_install progress?
16:45:19 <tflink_> sure
16:45:26 <adamw> #topic open floor - remote_install
16:45:31 <adamw> take it away!
16:45:49 <tflink_> I've been working on a demo for the remote installation system proposed last year
16:45:54 <tflink_> #link https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/User:Tflink/remote_installation_testing_proposal
16:46:24 <tflink_> the demo system is mostly ready - I've been trying to figure out hosting details for a public demo
16:46:36 <tflink_> #link http://supermegawaffle.com/remote_install/index.html
16:46:45 <tflink_> #link https://github.com/tflink/remote_install
16:46:46 <adamw> right now it's running behind the RH firewall, as it was easy for us to find resources there.
16:47:25 <tflink_> the current plan is to run a demo using public cloud infra once I write code to interface with the cloud we're going to use
16:47:50 <j_dulaney> You might could check with rbergeron
16:47:51 <tflink_> if we go forward with the idea as more of a demo, we'll work out something using fedora infra
16:48:10 <j_dulaney> Maybe figure out something using ec2 or the like
16:48:20 <adamw> j_dulaney: yup, that's 'public cloud'
16:48:25 <tflink_> j_dulaney: ec2 is too expensive for this
16:48:32 <j_dulaney> Ah
16:48:43 <tflink_> their billing and infra setup doesn't lend well to installation testing
16:49:09 <tflink_> ohi is a KVM based public cloud that is ~ 50% cheaper and less hacky
16:49:21 <tflink_> 50% cheaper for this use case, anyways
16:49:57 <tflink_> that and I really didn't want to estimate iops for EBS
16:50:00 <tflink_> :)
16:50:18 <j_dulaney> Cheaper sounds better
16:50:27 <tflink_> EC2 billing is complicated :-/
16:50:37 <robatino> will it be possible to do size and checksum tests on the ISOs? (handy for avoiding download, especially for large spins)
16:51:04 <tflink_> robatino: with the remote_install system? not sure, to be honest
16:51:16 <tflink_> I don't know what would be needed for that off the top of my head
16:51:44 <tflink_> but my instinct says that it would be a sub-optimal way of doing things
16:51:56 <tflink_> and that AutoQA would be a better way to do that
16:52:30 <tflink_> but I'll be sending out an announcement when we have timing more solid for the demo
16:52:43 <adamw> coolbeans.
16:52:44 <robatino> right now i can do checksum tests using my account on secondary01 without downloading, AutoQA plans to just download them last i heard
16:52:54 <tflink_> if you have access to the RH VPN and want to try it out, let me know
16:53:01 <adamw> is there anywhere you could do with help, or is it rolling along nicely?
16:53:32 <tflink_> I think that things are going well, I just need to get the cloud interface written
16:54:10 * tflink_ wishes that there was a python interface for the elastichosts API
16:54:25 <adamw> please don't get sidetracked into writing one. :)
16:54:49 <tflink_> a compete one? no. Just as much as I need for the demo
16:54:57 <adamw> cool.
16:55:00 <tflink_> I've already spent more time on this than I'd like for a demo
16:55:03 <nirik> tflink_: you might ping skvidal... he has some scripts to build/tear down/run things on cloud instances.
16:55:14 <tflink_> nirik: will do, thanks
16:55:19 * pschindl is finaly here (sry, I stuck on diploma thesis and forgot to join)
16:55:49 <j_dulaney> What's up, pschindl
16:56:19 <tflink_> I think that's it for remote_install, though
16:56:35 <j_dulaney> tflink_:  Maybe, for long term, could we hook this to AutoQA somehow?
16:56:50 <tflink_> j_dulaney: let's cross that bridge if/when we get there
16:56:57 <j_dulaney> Righteo
16:57:02 <tflink_> for now, it's just a demo and may not live past the initial trial
16:57:10 <pschindl> j_dulaney: deadline of thesis is this week and it's not done
16:57:39 <adamw> okay, back to...
16:57:41 <adamw> #topic open floor
16:57:51 <adamw> do we have any other open floor topics? anything anyone's concerned about?
16:58:26 * j_dulaney is good
16:59:30 <adamw> okey dokey
17:00:37 <adamw> setting the fuse for one minute...
17:02:33 <adamw> thanks for coming, all!
17:02:38 <jsmith> Go QA!
17:02:45 <adamw> man, these lousy defective ACME fuses...
17:02:48 <adamw> #endmeeting