22:01:09 <cwickert> #startmeeting FAmSCo Meeting 2012-01-04
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22:01:17 <cwickert> #meetingname FAmSCo Meeting 2012-01-04
22:01:17 <zodbot> The meeting name has been set to 'famsco_meeting_2012-01-04'
22:01:28 <cwickert> #topic Roll Call
22:01:33 <cwickert> .fas cwickert
22:01:35 <zodbot> cwickert: cwickert 'Christoph Wickert' <christoph.wickert@googlemail.com>
22:01:49 * cwickert waits patiently for other FAmSCo members to show up
22:04:10 * inode0 came to watch and learn :)
22:04:27 <herlo> hi
22:04:47 * herlo is here, just slower than normal
22:04:48 <cwickert> ping herlo yn1v gbraad zoltanh721 igorps kaio: meeting time
22:04:58 <cwickert> hi herlo
22:05:00 <kaio> .fasinfo kaio
22:05:01 <zodbot> kaio: User: kaio, Name: Caius Chance (かいお), email: me@kaio.net, Creation: 2008-09-10, IRC Nick: kaio, Timezone: Australia/Brisbane, Locale: en, GPG key ID: 17BEFCFA, Status: active
22:05:05 <zodbot> kaio: Unapproved Groups: art
22:05:09 <zodbot> kaio: Approved Groups: cla_fedora cla_done fedorabugs hgflies packager cla_redhat ambassadors l10n-commits @packager-zh famsco cvsl10n freemedia
22:05:09 * cwickert pings people again in #fedora-ambassadors
22:05:10 <dramsey> joins inode0 and others to watch and learn, too.  ;)
22:05:28 * yn1v at work... will be free in 5 minutes
22:05:39 * nirik is also lurking. I don't even have any infra outages scheduled during your meeting this time. ;)
22:05:54 <herlo> nirik: that's so nice of you :)
22:05:59 <cwickert> nirik: something must be wrong then ;)
22:06:18 <cwickert> ok, lets wait 5 minutes for yn1v because we need a quorum
22:06:36 <cwickert> everybody fine with that?
22:07:10 <cwickert> in the meantime, have a look at https://fedorahosted.org/famsco/report/9
22:07:14 <herlo> yup
22:07:42 <cwickert> and at http://rbergero.fedorapeople.org/schedules/f-17/f-17-ambassadors-tasks.html
22:07:51 <cwickert> but the schedule is pretty boring atm
22:10:19 <cwickert> hi igorps
22:10:32 <igorps> cwickert, hello!
22:10:49 <igorps> .fas igorps
22:10:50 <zodbot> igorps: igor 'Igor Pires Soares' <igor@projetofedora.org>
22:10:51 <cwickert> we have a quorum now
22:11:08 <cwickert> and yn1v is going to join us in a few moments
22:11:12 <herlo> biggest meeting it looks like too
22:11:20 <cwickert> that makes it 5 of us if I am not mistaken
22:11:44 <herlo> so just gbraad and zoltan missing?
22:11:49 <cwickert> yes
22:11:57 <cwickert> zoltan is working tonight I think
22:12:11 <cwickert> we might need to re-think the meeting time again
22:12:27 <cwickert> but as long as we don't have something better, I suggest we stick to it
22:12:34 <yn1v> here I am :)
22:12:41 <herlo> maybe, I think it works for most of us
22:12:49 <cwickert> ok
22:12:49 <igorps> herlo, +1
22:13:06 <cwickert> then lets dive into https://fedorahosted.org/famsco/report/9
22:13:18 <cwickert> .fasco 213
22:13:30 <cwickert> hahaha
22:13:33 <cwickert> .famsco 213
22:13:33 <herlo> .famsco 213
22:13:36 <zodbot> https://fedorahosted.org/famsco/ticket/213
22:13:37 <herlo> oops, sorry
22:13:40 <zodbot> https://fedorahosted.org/famsco/ticket/213
22:13:40 <cwickert> excellent
22:14:14 <cwickert> while I am waiting for feedback from our former chair, I'd like to hear your opinions on this topic
22:14:43 <cwickert> no need to make a decision today, but I think we can discuss it quickly
22:15:35 <cwickert> opinions?
22:15:46 <herlo> I do think the request is reasonable. It's probably something to consider for a bit. Good thoughts on asking the former chair
22:15:55 <yn1v> I am unsure about S&H of this idea.
22:16:05 <cwickert> S&H?
22:16:12 <herlo> shipping and handling
22:16:17 <igorps> Looks reasonable to me as well
22:16:20 <cwickert> fair enough
22:16:27 <cwickert> shipping is usually not a problem
22:16:38 <cwickert> shipping is done by me and I get reimbursed regularly
22:16:51 <cwickert> or by kital, whoever places the order
22:16:56 <cwickert> but payment is a problem
22:16:58 <herlo> the main problem here is ensuring the ambassador receives what they are requesting.
22:16:58 <yn1v> If the tshirt will be produced centrally, then it will incurre in S&H, that at some point may be more expensive that is trying to save in cost
22:17:18 <cwickert> hold on
22:17:28 <herlo> I don't think the shirts would be produced centrally. It's probably better to have them produced locally as much as possible.
22:17:38 <cwickert> how are shirts produced in NA and Latam?
22:17:48 <cwickert> here in EMEA it's either me or kital
22:18:11 <herlo> cwickert: we get a group of people who want to get Polos (not tshirts, that's different). Each pitches in funds for them and one person places the order.
22:18:27 <herlo> I think shipping is included, but inode0 might be able to say more definitively
22:18:34 <igorps> In LATAM every country or subregion produces a certain amount
22:18:38 <cwickert> herlo: so you first collect orders and money?
22:18:52 <cwickert> igorps: ok, this is different from EMEA and NA
22:18:53 <herlo> cwickert: I think it's done afterward.
22:19:11 <cwickert> herlo: ok, but one pays in advance, same here
22:19:12 <herlo> but it's done for sure before the shirts are shipped to the ambassador.
22:19:21 <cwickert> I see
22:19:23 <igorps> cwickert, yeah it is, we do that because shipping is very expensive here
22:19:41 <herlo> cwickert: which I think might fit better for some situations
22:19:42 <cwickert> in EMEA and NA shipping is not a problem
22:19:50 <cwickert> it's like 3 EUR while the shirt is 25
22:20:11 <herlo> yeah, it's $40US plus $8 or so for shipping probably at most
22:20:20 <cwickert> so does anybody think that ordering or shipping is a real problem?
22:20:52 <igorps> cwickert, not in this case
22:20:55 <herlo> It seems that maybe the problem is more one of wanting to centralize the purchase
22:21:06 <cwickert> hold on please ;)
22:21:17 <cwickert> ok, lets discuss this
22:21:23 * cwickert changed his mind
22:21:25 <herlo> lol
22:21:26 <herlo> k
22:21:41 <cwickert> herlo: you mean centralize it even further? on a global level?
22:21:51 <herlo> I don't see a problem with folks in Africa wanting to make their own shirts. I think FAMSCo should more focus on what the shirts should look like.
22:21:59 <herlo> cwickert: yes, I don't want to do that though, personally
22:22:12 <yn1v> I think that has to be centraliced, so it is possible to contribute with the subcidy, otherwise it will be needed to send small amouts of money, and transfer are complicated
22:22:44 <herlo> yn1v: centralized by country or region maybe, but not across Fedora imo
22:22:44 <igorps> The point is: do they take PayPal?
22:22:49 <cwickert> my 2 cents: I think doing this on a regional level is fine, say NA, EMEA, LATAM and APAC, but neither bigger nor smaller makes sense IHMO
22:23:05 <cwickert> igorps: hold on, we just delayed the problem of payment ;)
22:23:06 <herlo> well, I do think it makes sense in some situations
22:23:09 <yn1v> yes, regional
22:23:13 <herlo> cwickert:    ^^
22:23:15 <igorps> cwickert, ok
22:23:46 <cwickert> herlo: ok, what was your other point? FAmSCo should take care of how it looks?
22:23:47 <herlo> specifically like LATAM, where the cost of shipping is too high. Or where there's a bunch of ambassadors in one locale, it makes sense to combine smaller
22:24:19 <igorps> In LATAM we would expend like $15 to produce a t-shirt and another $15 or more to ship it
22:24:29 <herlo> cwickert: yes, we should just define the minimum standards for the shirt. It's possible we should get input from the board too.
22:24:36 <cwickert> guys, where are we now?
22:25:00 <cwickert> lets please not confuse everything, ok :)
22:25:33 <cwickert> we already agreed it should be done on a regional level and for LATAM it makes sense to do it on a local level because of shipping, correct?
22:25:47 <cwickert> anything more to this? am I wrong?
22:26:11 <igorps> cwickert, you're right
22:26:14 <herlo> cwickert: I think self-organizing and then asking for one lump sum to be distributed back to amabassadors of a smaller locale would also be acceptable.
22:26:26 <yn1v> +1
22:26:31 <herlo> but yes, I agree with the other statement
22:26:32 <cwickert> herlo: can you elaborate this?
22:26:37 <herlo> cwickert: yes
22:26:57 <herlo> let's say that a bunch of ambassadors are in South Africa, for instance.
22:27:24 <herlo> While EMEA could make those shirts and ship them, it could be very expensive to ship from Germany or somewhere in Europe that far
22:28:01 <herlo> so rather than doing that, they find a local retailer, make the shirts there, and get FAMSCo or someone to reimburse shipping or whatever subsidy is decided.
22:28:10 <herlo> probably on a case by case basis
22:28:31 <cwickert> ok, let me tell you why I think this won't work
22:28:52 <cwickert> as you said we want to define standards and have all shirts look the same
22:29:01 <cwickert> we already have https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Polo_Shirt btw
22:29:06 <herlo> right
22:29:08 <herlo> I knew that
22:29:30 <cwickert> we want to make sure we always get the same quality and color etc
22:29:45 <cwickert> this means sticking to one vendor makes sense
22:29:52 <herlo> I disagree
22:29:56 <cwickert> and I think it makes sense to stick to one workflow
22:30:15 <cwickert> instead of having different workflows on a case by case base
22:30:21 <herlo> I think the workflow is the same, just a matter of scale
22:30:29 <igorps> I image that even inside Africa that would be expensive. For instance shipping from South Africa to Morocco.
22:30:59 <herlo> specifically, I am just discussing that if a subsidy is needed it's on a case-by-case basis as to the amount, not the process of making the shirts.
22:31:01 <cwickert> so back to your example: we would to the polos here in Germany and ship all polos to South Africa in one package
22:31:11 <cwickert> and then they will be distributed locally
22:31:24 <herlo> then you are incurring two shipping charges possibly
22:31:26 <cwickert> this is what we already do and it works quite nicely
22:31:43 * cwickert cannot parse that sentence
22:32:02 <herlo> you ship to africa, then they might have to ship shirts individually to contributors
22:32:23 <herlo> two shipping charges
22:32:36 <herlo> the point I'm making is simple actually
22:32:43 <cwickert> that is still the cheapest way
22:32:45 <igorps> and then reimburse all those shipping
22:32:46 <herlo> I'm saying that the EMEA and NA model works, and so does the LATAM way
22:33:02 <herlo> they are the same basic principle, just a matter of scale
22:33:10 * cwickert is still trying to understand herlo's problem
22:33:24 <herlo> I don't want to dictate what a region should be doing with regard to shipping and/or ordering
22:33:57 <cwickert> herlo: back to the problems of shipping charges
22:34:02 <herlo> I only want to discuss reimbursement on a case-by-case basis.
22:34:16 <herlo> cwickert: I think we're going in circles here
22:34:25 <cwickert> I fully agree
22:34:28 <herlo> let's table this.
22:34:37 <herlo> We can come back to it in the ticket
22:34:47 <cwickert> this is not even part of the ticket
22:34:53 <cwickert> so please let me finish quickly, ok?
22:35:17 <cwickert> it doesn't make a difference if I send one or two shirts to SA
22:35:25 <cwickert> or 5 or 10, the costs are the same
22:35:50 <cwickert> but it does make a difference if we produce 5 shirts locally or 40 for the reigon
22:36:00 <cwickert> you get my point?
22:36:02 <herlo> yes, I get that. I'm not discussing the shipping, I'm discussing the subsidy in which the ticket refers.
22:36:51 <cwickert> I am sorry, I was under the impression that we were already discussing way more than is subject of the ticket
22:36:54 <herlo> Let's table it. there's other things we can do here during hte meeting. I think we can discuss this further offline and discuss further in meeting next week.
22:37:18 <cwickert> great, we just wasted 20 minutes :(
22:37:28 <cwickert> ok, then lets stick to the ticket
22:37:37 <cwickert> opinions?
22:38:55 <cwickert> dammit, I feel like this is not productive. we must either stick to a strict agenda or discuss something completely, no matter how long it takes. but a mixture of both will not help anybody
22:38:59 <igorps> I don't see the problem in considering the PPP in that case and make it a criteria to handle the polos
22:39:24 <cwickert> but I do
22:39:28 <herlo> cwickert: you asked for my opinion and I gave it. You felt that it wasn't productive, so I stopped.
22:39:41 <herlo> I still think my points are valid and not a waste of time
22:39:41 <cwickert> herlo: but I feel we stopped at 90%
22:39:53 <cwickert> anyway, lets stick to the ticket now
22:39:58 <herlo> but you cast them aside as if it wasn't relevant to the ticket, it was
22:40:08 <cwickert> the problem that was raised in the ticket and here already is
22:40:12 <herlo> I was *only* talking about the subsidies and how an example may go
22:40:42 <herlo> and how we determine what a subsidy may be. My example of Africa was not meant to be specific to EMEA
22:40:56 <cwickert> I am sorry, I don't get it
22:40:56 <herlo> it was just a general example of how a subsidy might be addressed
22:41:05 <herlo> cwickert: let's back up
22:41:15 <herlo> use any old place you like. Maybe something in LATAM
22:41:38 <herlo> since they are performing the model in which sub-regions do their own purchasing since shipping is expensive
22:42:24 <herlo> the point of the ticket to me is that they want a way to pay for *part* of the shirts in some regions so that ambassadors aren't paying the full cost
22:42:56 <igorps> herlo, +1
22:42:58 <herlo> thus, I was suggesting that a group in that locale get the shirts created locally and that the ambassadors pay some amount
22:43:07 <cwickert> I am sorry, I don't understand
22:43:12 <herlo> with some of that being subidized by FAMSCo
22:43:21 <herlo> cwickert: what is it you do not understand?
22:43:48 <cwickert> the following sentence: "the point of the ticket to me is that they want a way to pay for *part* of the shirts in some regions so that ambassadors aren't paying the full cost"
22:44:10 <herlo> the point of ticket 213?
22:44:20 <herlo> the request asks for subsidy, no?
22:44:21 <cwickert> this is NOT the point of that ticket
22:44:35 <yn1v> Then I am lost too!
22:44:49 <igorps> cwickert, I thought it was
22:44:52 <herlo> cwickert: its about offsetting costs in certain regions
22:44:54 <cwickert> let me explain what I had in mind and where I see the problem, ok
22:44:57 <herlo> at least it appears to me
22:45:02 <herlo> okay
22:45:17 <cwickert> I was never thinking of regions but of individuals
22:45:28 <cwickert> and I don't think that it works per-region
22:45:40 <cwickert> the examples I gave were all from EMEA
22:45:50 <cwickert> and there are enormous differences
22:46:07 <cwickert> so I was thinking about a personal subsidy
22:46:12 <cwickert> but I am not sure if it works
22:46:18 <herlo> I don't think it does
22:46:24 <cwickert> because we end up with very little bank transfers
22:46:31 <cwickert> s/little/small
22:46:45 <herlo> which is why I suggested the 'group' in a specific locale and then subsidise that in a larger way, that can be more easily distributed among them
22:47:17 <cwickert> ok, but then the question becomes: how do we establish common standards?
22:47:24 <herlo> cwickert: but I can see why you went down that road and how we're on a different point of view
22:48:04 <cwickert> well, I filed the ticket from an EMEA POV, but I do see that there are problems with the suggestion I made
22:48:10 <herlo> cwickert: I don't really think there can be common standards in terms of subsidy. Only that the shirts be similar
22:48:16 <cwickert> yet though, I cannot think of something better
22:48:39 <herlo> which is why I suggested they come to us on a case by case basis and we discuss them in the next meeting
22:48:44 <igorps> What we should do in any case is ask the ticket reporters to post the t-shirt model and make sure it's according to our trademark guidelines.
22:48:55 <cwickert> I am the ticket reporter!
22:48:57 <herlo> igorps: indeed
22:49:06 <herlo> cwickert: we know you will follow the guidelines :)
22:49:20 <yn1v> there is no free meal. Subsidy means somebody else is paying. And if Fedora is paying that means there has to be some degree of fairness
22:49:26 <igorps> cwickert, I meant in general in that case specifically
22:49:38 <cwickert> ok, I give up
22:49:41 <herlo> cwickert: hmm, good point
22:49:49 <cwickert> lets delay this and I explain it on the list
22:49:53 <yn1v> that way I think of rules
22:50:21 <herlo> I think i get it some, but I don't think it's necessarily going to work in any standard way, though. But yes, on list sounds like a great place to continue the discussion
22:50:33 <cwickert> just quickly before we skip this: have a look at the country list: we only have 5 ambassadors in every country
22:50:48 <cwickert> this means we end up with small orders for high prices
22:50:54 <cwickert> and with 50 different shirts
22:51:32 <cwickert> anyway, lets not discuss this any further here
22:51:40 <cwickert> I apologize for stealing your time
22:51:54 <cwickert> .famsco https://fedorahosted.org/famsco/ticket/242
22:51:54 <zodbot> https://fedorahosted.org/famsco/ticket/https://fedorahosted.org/famsco/ticket/242
22:51:58 <cwickert> yn1v: this one is for you
22:52:14 <herlo> .famsco 242
22:52:14 <zodbot> https://fedorahosted.org/famsco/ticket/242
22:52:32 <herlo> cwickert: it looks like a full url doesn't work
22:52:46 <yn1v> I am opening againg that pdf
22:52:53 <cwickert> herlo: ouch, I am used to this :)
22:53:01 <cwickert> #topic Trac tickets
22:53:12 * cwickert should have changed the topic earlier
22:53:39 <cwickert> yn1v: basically what we wanted to know is what you had in mind when you filed this ticket
22:54:14 <cwickert> I mean, review the survey is pretty general
22:54:30 <cwickert> we should split it into smaller topics and action items
22:54:31 <yn1v> The report pointed that we, as famsco, need to watch out for swag and budget
22:55:14 <yn1v> nothing new there, but I was thinking importat to acknoledge that they hit a sensible spot and we need to say that we will work on that
22:56:07 <cwickert> frankly speaking I find the report, say, difficult
22:56:41 <cwickert> ok, where do we start here?
22:57:00 <cwickert> do we have the original survey and all results btw?
22:57:13 <yn1v> yes, most other items are just what real world is... time and manpower limited
22:57:23 <cwickert> I feel like this report is a very personal view of the person who made the survey
22:57:47 <cwickert> Ankur even says it's only "his" suggestions
22:57:51 <yn1v> okey, I will ask for general data.
22:58:24 <cwickert> ok, I suggest we go through the suggestions quickly and discuss which is an action item for FAmSCo
22:58:26 <igorps> It's hard to identify the issue here. The report pointed that we need to watch out for swag and budget. But this is too general.
22:58:28 <yn1v> There is ongoing work on budget issues
22:58:39 <cwickert> Lack of time: nothing we can do
22:59:01 <herlo> I think I agree with igorps that we ask for a more detailed report before discussing any major issues.
22:59:02 <cwickert> Swag: what are we going to do about this?
22:59:08 <cwickert> ok
22:59:20 <cwickert> yn1v: can you take this over?
23:00:07 <yn1v> yes. I think that we need to investigate where swag is not reaching and how to improve that
23:00:11 <cwickert> hold on
23:00:33 <cwickert> I was just asking you to get in touch with Ankur for the complete results and post them in the ticket
23:00:38 <cwickert> ok?
23:00:42 <yn1v> fine
23:00:50 <yn1v> better, one step at the time
23:00:58 <cwickert> #agreed: delay ticket 242 until we have detailed data because we want to make our own picture of the findings
23:01:09 <cwickert> #action yn1v to get in touch with Ankur for the complete results and post them in the ticket
23:01:15 <cwickert> ok, next
23:01:31 <cwickert> .famsco 243
23:01:31 <zodbot> https://fedorahosted.org/famsco/ticket/243
23:01:37 <cwickert> there is not much we can do
23:01:46 <cwickert> this is zoltan's action item
23:01:54 <herlo> aye
23:02:02 <cwickert> he wrote me a very long mail this week and I was very unhappy about it
23:02:15 <cwickert> that he sent it to me in first place rather than to the list
23:02:25 <cwickert> and that it didn't contain any real info
23:02:34 <cwickert> so we really need zoltan to do something
23:03:12 <cwickert> .famsco 244
23:03:12 <zodbot> https://fedorahosted.org/famsco/ticket/244
23:03:41 <cwickert> this is related to 245 and 246
23:03:51 <cwickert> it's all about the same event, IDLELO
23:03:54 <herlo> want to link those too?
23:04:05 <cwickert> .famsco 245
23:04:05 <zodbot> https://fedorahosted.org/famsco/ticket/245
23:04:07 <cwickert> .famsco 246
23:04:09 <zodbot> https://fedorahosted.org/famsco/ticket/246
23:04:43 <cwickert> I think we can approve 244 easily, the booth is not expensive
23:04:52 <igorps> It looks like the event doesn't have a wiki page describing the Fedora participation
23:05:10 <igorps> It has a website, tough
23:05:29 <igorps> but we should point the need to create a wiki page
23:05:41 <herlo> that's a lot of money for one person to travel there.
23:05:44 <cwickert> ok
23:05:54 <cwickert> herlo: yes, that's my concern
23:06:10 <cwickert> that single person is more expensive than the both and the other two together
23:06:17 <cwickert> but on the other hand
23:06:23 <kaio> gtg for swimming
23:06:27 <herlo> I think we could subsides some, but I think it unfair to give that much to a single individual
23:06:31 <cwickert> we rarely spend any money in Africa
23:06:32 <herlo> thanks kaio
23:06:42 <kaio> will read the log
23:06:45 <herlo> cwickert: well, it might be good for EMEA to discuss this
23:06:56 <cwickert> we did disuss this already
23:07:05 <cwickert> although not the costs
23:07:13 <herlo> I think the event is great!
23:07:21 <cwickert> EMEA ambassadors agreed that Fedora should be there
23:07:44 <cwickert> so, here is my suggestion
23:08:06 <cwickert> approve all three tickets, but tell Arthur he needs to look for a way to cut the costs somehow
23:08:25 <herlo> I think we approve for a smaller amount, say half?
23:08:56 <yn1v> I may sound bad, but there is no one closer?
23:09:05 <cwickert> lets break this down into the individual tickets
23:09:21 <herlo> cwickert: sure, sounds good
23:09:36 <cwickert> we can approve 244 and 245, this is 836 for 2 people at the event
23:09:44 <herlo> cwickert: yes, that's fine
23:09:53 <yn1v> the event so far is $500 for booth, one person for 343 and 1803 for the other... the second even at hafl is more that the booth itself
23:09:54 <igorps> cwickert, +1
23:10:08 * herlo thinks that's a reasonable amount for the first two tickets
23:10:15 <cwickert> #agreed https://fedorahosted.org/famsco/ticket/244 is approved
23:10:25 <cwickert> #agreed https://fedorahosted.org/famsco/ticket/245 is approved
23:10:48 <cwickert> are we going to say we approve 50% of 246 and then look into the details?
23:10:59 * herlo looks again
23:11:00 <yn1v> +1
23:11:08 <cwickert> yn1v: the 343 are actually for 2 persons
23:11:20 <herlo> I think if we can do it for around $950US it could be good.
23:11:30 <cwickert> ok
23:11:31 <herlo> having 3 people represent Fedora
23:11:43 <yn1v> my bad... that makes 246 look even worse
23:11:49 <igorps> yep, let's ask if a partial subsidy is useful for 246
23:11:58 <cwickert> ok
23:12:43 <cwickert> #agreed we'll approve half of https://fedorahosted.org/famsco/ticket/246 and investigate options to cut the costs, either by saving some money or asking the reporter to take over some parts of the costs
23:13:04 <cwickert> #action cwickert to update tickets 244-246 and to assist Arthur cutting costs
23:13:09 <herlo> cwickert: addendum to include a request if a partial subsidy will help
23:13:10 <cwickert> sounds fair?
23:13:18 <yn1v> I have seen a trend on subsiding travel and lodging, but not meals and local coomuting ... there is any guideline?
23:13:31 <igorps> cwickert, fair enough
23:13:34 <cwickert> herlo: yes, I'll add this to the ticket
23:13:41 <herlo> yn1v: I don't really think there is, that might be something we could take up
23:13:48 <herlo> cwickert: +1
23:13:59 * herlo has a hard stop in 2 minuts
23:14:05 <herlo> s/ts/tes/
23:14:06 <cwickert> ok, I think we did it
23:14:21 <herlo> great!
23:14:22 <cwickert> that's all tickets in the report
23:14:38 <cwickert> I will get back to you on the polo thingy
23:14:46 <cwickert> sorry we wasted so much time there
23:14:58 <cwickert> yn1v: you are sending out the meeting minutes, right?
23:15:03 <herlo> cwickert: we got through it, that's the point :)
23:15:04 <yn1v> yes
23:15:21 <igorps> cwickert, no problem! ;)
23:15:21 <cwickert> ok, I think then it's save to say...
23:15:24 <cwickert> #endmeeting