04:00:39 #startmeeting apac 04:00:39 Meeting started Sat Dec 24 04:00:39 2011 UTC. The chair is bckurera. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 04:00:39 Useful Commands: #action #agreed #halp #info #idea #link #topic. 04:00:54 welcome to apac bi-weekly 04:01:00 \o 04:01:13 meeting agenda 04:01:16 #link https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Meeting:APAC_Ambassadors_2011-12-24 04:01:33 #topic Ambassador Pinging 04:01:38 * udinnet hate coming irc from mobile 04:01:49 #chair tuanta harish 04:01:49 Current chairs: bckurera harish tuanta 04:01:49 * FranciscoD jumps in 04:02:09 .fas udinnet 04:02:10 udinnet: udinnet 'Uditha Bandara Wijerathna' 04:02:12 #char KageSenshi FranciscoD mbuf 04:02:23 #chair KageSenshi FranciscoD mbuf 04:02:23 Current chairs: FranciscoD KageSenshi bckurera harish mbuf tuanta 04:02:32 .fas izhar 04:02:33 KageSenshi: izhar 'Mohd Izhar Firdaus Ismail' 04:02:36 #char udinnet 04:02:36 .fas mbuf 04:02:37 mbuf: shakthimaan 'Shakthi Kannan' 04:02:44 .fas bckurera 04:02:45 bckurera: bckurera 'Buddhika Kurera' 04:02:50 .fas FranciscoD 04:02:54 FranciscoD: ankursinha 'Ankur Sinha' 04:03:00 .fas azneita 04:03:01 azneita: dona 'dona marie grace' - azneita '' 04:03:01 .fas tuanta 04:03:05 tuanta: tuanta 'Truong Anh Tuan' 04:03:19 .fas suresht 04:03:20 Suresh: suresht 'Sureshkumar Packiyarajah' 04:03:36 #chair Suresh 04:03:36 Current chairs: FranciscoD KageSenshi Suresh bckurera harish mbuf tuanta 04:03:44 #topic News from FAmSCo 04:03:58 hello we are on the FAmSCo news 04:04:03 bckurera: great to see someone can share the chair :) 04:04:20 So bckurera i already mention you about the ticket 04:04:31 \o 04:04:40 hey MarkDude 04:04:40 Thanks for mentioning it suresh 04:04:41 we all will do it tuanta but we miss dramsey 04:04:45 :) 04:05:01 woah, no dramsey? that's new :P 04:05:09 yeah I ll open the ticket later lil busy these days 04:05:11 Greetings Fedorans 04:05:20 XD 04:05:25 lets proceed 04:05:34 any news? 04:05:35 anything from FAmSCo then? 04:05:40 * FranciscoD looks around 04:05:47 I have something from Harish 04:05:58 He is getting 2000 CDs soon 04:06:16 good news 04:06:20 If anyone need then please open a ticket at 04:06:22 Hmmm 04:06:27 #link https://fedorahosted.org/fedora-apac 04:06:29 a great news: the new elected FAmCSo has the first meeting 04:06:42 Yes 04:06:46 tuanta +1 04:07:12 they discuss so much about the best way to communicate among FAmSCo and with Ambassadors 04:07:15 #info 2000 64bit liveCDs will be available at harish on wednesday 04:07:29 is the same meeting not a lot if the members managed to attend? 04:07:31 I personally '+1" with Christoph in almost things 04:07:38 * FranciscoD remembers reading something on the list about it 04:08:07 hope the new FAmSCo will help us much more 04:08:19 AYE 04:08:23 oops 04:08:25 aye 04:08:33 tuanta +1 04:08:44 And one thing pointed on the meeting was to use the regional trac to ask support 04:08:53 * azneita notes the new famsco is off to a great start 04:08:55 any FAmSCo available today? 04:09:01 so that we can discuss them on the APAC bi-weekly and fulfill that 04:09:06 I think it is a good idea 04:09:49 no one 04:09:55 seems like that 04:09:56 next 04:10:00 we can move on, bckurera 04:10:06 i believe that's the original intention for the reg lists 04:10:13 pls make it tuanta will co-chair :) 04:10:54 #topic Review *ACTION* items from the last meeting 04:11:01 ok then action iteams 04:11:13 #link http://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting/2011-12-10/apac.2011-12-10-04.00.html 04:11:17 come on, bckurera. we should have only one chair per meeting 04:11:21 that's better 04:11:51 tuanta: -1 04:11:56 the action #4: "harish should review the famsco ticket #230 of tuanta and the apac ticket #12 of aks" has been done 04:12:04 XD 04:12:28 any update tuanta? 04:12:32 kk4ewt: I meant only one person to put the command such as "#topic" :) 04:12:54 udinnet : 1. udinnet write report of Fedora_Seminar_Anuradhapura_2011 04:13:02 tuanta: and if they lose connection there is a problem 04:13:04 #chair kk4ewt 04:13:04 Current chairs: FranciscoD KageSenshi Suresh bckurera harish kk4ewt mbuf tuanta 04:13:12 .fasinfo kk4ewt 04:13:13 tuanta: User "kk4ewt" doesn't exist 04:13:36 Opps 04:13:36 udinnet has written a brief event report 04:13:37 kk4ewt: hi and he has much more experience :) 04:13:50 bckurera, link pls 04:14:05 udinnet link pls? 04:14:05 Yup event report and photos are up 04:14:26 tuanta: he is Southern-Gentleman(Vilegent) don you know him??? 04:14:35 Bckurera i coming from my mobile can you pls post the link 04:14:44 :( 04:14:46 Suresh: let it go 04:14:52 Sorry 04:15:07 Suresh: I read his messages on the mailing list only, no more private contacts. 04:15:14 It is the lod event page 04:15:26 #link https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Fedora_Seminar_Anuradhapura_2011#Event_Report 04:15:32 Please do it for me 04:15:35 Thanks 04:15:35 udinnet has added it to the event page 04:15:43 and he will soon write a blog post as well 04:15:52 you can see photos there till then 04:16:04 how about other previous actions? 04:16:16 we had a great event! 04:16:17 2. harish should review the famsco ticket #230 of tuanta and the apac ticket #12 of aks 04:16:31 udinnet +1 04:17:03 nice shirts :) 04:17:10 Ha ha ha 04:17:19 3. Ambassadors' survey quick look 04:17:29 I think FrancisdoD will talk about this later 04:17:41 4. LMartinez invites everyone to contribute to the discussion on the ambassadors mailing list about LCA2012 04:17:44 #action udinnet writes event report 04:17:56 anyway update from LMartinez 04:18:16 for this item, anybody else going to LCA12 04:18:24 #meetingname APAC 04:18:24 The meeting name has been set to 'apac' 04:18:25 * udinnet should write it soon 04:18:39 i will 04:18:55 cool 04:19:07 FranciscoD anyway update on LCA then? 04:19:09 you'll be seeing LMartinez? 04:19:22 next, please 04:19:36 wait i have one 04:19:45 Go on 04:19:57 bckurera: what about this ticket https://fedorahosted.org/famsco/ticket/112 04:20:29 it's private? 04:20:35 Polos are ready 04:20:43 please close soon as possible :) 04:20:59 shipping is the remaining part 04:21:00 since it takes too longs time 04:21:16 I targeted the last FUDcon 04:21:19 but I missed it 04:21:47 #action #112 bckurera ships swag soon as possible. 04:22:02 Yup those are the polo what we wearing in that event 04:22:07 :) 04:22:13 almost 1 year finised. 04:22:33 do attach the receipts to the ticket too 04:22:37 anything else? 04:22:43 * FranciscoD not know anything LCA 04:22:48 Tuanta what about your ticket then? 04:23:36 shall we move then? 04:24:04 Good news is here lk.fedoracommunity.org is up now 04:24:28 We need some time for the developmet 04:24:39 you did it udinnet , great to have a techie like you 04:24:46 cool .. on the same topic, we've finally got the fedora.my domain ticket closed 04:24:48 Suresh : any ideas 04:24:57 no more fedora.foss.org.my, its fedora.my now 04:24:58 :D 04:25:01 Bckurera : thanks 04:25:08 after 2 years .. lol 04:25:17 KageSenshi, why not my.fedoracommunity.org 04:25:21 great KageSenshi 04:25:38 azneita, it was requested way before the existence of fedoracommunity.org .. 04:25:39 bckurera: my ticket #230 has been closed (mentioned above) 04:25:39 #local community web site lk.fedoracommunity.org is up 04:26:10 ok folks will move then 04:26:23 Sure 04:26:24 next please, bckurera. we have got a lot things need to be discussed today 04:26:24 #topic APAC Trac for regional support 04:26:45 #link https://fedorahosted.org/fedora-apac/ticket/12 04:26:51 this is from aks 04:27:01 still we hear nothing, am I right? 04:27:46 will contact aks and ask him to attach receipt soon, so that harish can move on this 04:27:47 bckurera: you go there is all breif info and he need to closed this 04:28:09 Suresh can u please explain? 04:28:25 already i have sent mail him about it 04:28:28 bckurera: should that be an action? 04:28:43 I see no update in the ticket from aks 04:28:53 he had event it was finished and he produced just his laser jet printer print's 04:29:24 Will ask him to update the ticket asap then it is good 04:29:30 +1 04:29:50 if everything is ok he can close the ticket 04:29:54 he says he did not spend much more money about it. 04:30:14 #action aks to update the ticket https://fedorahosted.org/fedora-apac/ticket/12 04:30:44 yes 04:31:00 Harish will take the required actions to attend https://fedorahosted.org/fedora-apac/ticket/13 04:31:10 shall we move then? 04:31:36 #chair harish_ 04:31:36 Current chairs: FranciscoD KageSenshi Suresh bckurera harish harish_ kk4ewt mbuf tuanta 04:31:44 go on :) 04:32:05 * harish_ wondering why i got disconnected. oh well. 04:32:05 #action harish to respond https://fedorahosted.org/fedora-apac/ticket/13 04:32:16 #topic APAC Events 04:32:28 mbuf here is the topic 04:32:52 we can talk about APAC FUDcon bids as well 04:33:03 had organized an event on December 3, 2011 at Foresight, Pune, India 04:33:12 #link http://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/india/2011-December/005069.html 04:33:21 +1 mbuf 04:33:26 had sent the report earlier to the list 04:33:47 great reports & photos :) 04:33:54 there is a tux event that I am organizing this Tuesday, at CoEP, Pune, India 04:34:01 have added that to the Fedora events page 04:34:12 will send the report after the event; thanks 04:34:35 great mbuf thanks for nice work 04:34:36 #link http://mind-spark.org/tux.php 04:34:50 is there any updates/ discussion on APAC bid? 04:35:05 tuanta's famsco 230 ticket is closed, btw. 04:35:11 for the record, I'd like to thank mbuf for his excellent work in educating and promoting Fedora in India. 04:35:36 harish_, happy to help around 04:35:39 +1 04:35:41 we all should thank him, apac is doing great 04:36:20 +1 04:36:21 China and Ph what about FUDcon bids? 04:36:35 I got two Fedora presentation in recent week 04:36:43 KageSenshi and azneita :) 04:36:46 we have a draft page, but we still need to fill in a lot of blanks 04:37:06 azneita, share the link :) 04:37:08 the holidays overtook us, but we hope to put them in 04:37:14 one in FOSS@HUS Hanoi and the other in FOSS@ICTU Thai Nguyen 04:37:18 (so that i can *steal*cough*copy* stuff .. lol 04:37:23 azneita +1 04:37:38 china has the best looking page from last year :) 04:38:05 #link http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FUDCon:Bid_for_Beijing_2012 04:38:06 but i dont see any edting for this terms 04:38:14 oh... 04:38:14 it is great to see two/three bids from APAC :) 04:38:16 #link https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FUDCon:APAC_2012_Bid_Malaysia 04:38:22 thanks azneita 04:38:28 #link https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FUDCon:Bid_for_Philippines_2012 04:38:32 * FranciscoD hopes to make it wherever it is ;) 04:38:41 so we have 3 bid's 04:38:43 :D 04:38:46 the deadline is january 11 04:38:52 jauary 1 or 11 ? 04:38:58 currently I think it is two bids 04:39:15 11 04:39:18 sure? 04:39:27 that's what jsmith's email have 04:39:34 #info FudCon 2012 deadline is january 11 04:39:38 if it's 1, my will win it :) 04:39:40 lol i think i read it as 1 .. but anyway its better to move faster 04:40:07 ok folks shall we move then?? 04:40:08 XD 04:40:10 aye 04:40:13 anything to add more? 04:40:15 ok move on :) 04:40:15 yea 04:40:31 #topic Status of F16 Release Parties 04:40:58 any info or support needed? 04:41:20 * FranciscoD doesnt have release parties, but some unconferences in mind 04:41:26 In Sri Lanka there will be no events for this year 04:41:29 will file tickets etc. as the plans develop 04:41:30 none from ph atm 04:41:37 will start working again on January 04:41:49 lets continue then 04:42:05 * FranciscoD notes that we need to quicken our meetings ;) 04:42:11 please open up a ticket at the trac if you need support 04:42:14 #link https://fedorahosted.org/fedora-apac/ 04:42:23 * FranciscoD notes 04:42:26 #topic APAC plans for 2012(Suresh) 04:42:26 +1 FranciscoD 04:42:30 suresh it is yours 04:42:43 oh it's my time :) 04:42:52 #link https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/APAC_Plans_2012 04:42:53 * Suresh looking my page 04:43:01 yea 04:43:07 follow up on Fedora Release parties, does anyone hear anything about Fedora release Dinners? 04:43:20 i remove item "pining inactive ambassadors 04:43:26 none yet tuanta 04:43:28 as usual last releases? 04:43:32 I didnt hear 04:43:40 because this what FranciscoD already done via reports 04:43:48 release dinner a bit late now i think .. at least to me .. but would be great if we can have it again for next release 04:43:58 Suresh: :D 04:44:16 will make release dinners a fedora habit 04:44:25 bckurera: +1 04:44:28 Suresh: please continue 04:44:35 yea suresh please 04:44:37 but i added this iteam in "Prize for best Event photo." for Beefy Miracle[F17] 04:44:51 no late, KageSenshi, whenever 04:44:52 +1 04:45:01 Best event photo, thats great 04:45:02 coz my plan is somewhat like this -> release dinner right after release ... for contributors only .. then once CD/DVD ready, FAD to public .. 04:45:02 ^ for both statements 04:45:34 KageSenshi: new plan -> release dinner whenever folks can come together ;) 04:45:42 nice idea KageSenshi 04:45:48 so i am working with page edting so may be i can get agree by next meeting #link https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/APAC_Plans_2012 04:45:53 #action tuanta: submit a question on the ambassador mailing list to ask about Fedora 16 release dinners 04:45:55 and we'll be having FAD next month :) 04:46:04 Suresh: great! 04:46:12 I look forward to the final draft :) 04:46:22 sure FranciscoD 04:46:23 Suresh +1 04:46:39 next?? 04:46:39 +1 Suresh 04:46:45 eof 04:46:58 thanks suresh for the work 04:46:59 next~ 04:47:01 will move then 04:47:04 lets move on, bckurera 04:47:11 #topic Red Hat information training for Ambassadors (dramsey) 04:47:17 it is dramseys' 04:47:36 next 04:47:40 next~~~~ 04:47:43 dramsey will talk about this next tmie 04:47:48 #topic Ambassadors' survey followup(ankursinha) 04:47:52 ah 04:47:54 FranciscoD this is yours :) 04:48:05 aye 04:48:10 * FranciscoD jumps in with his cape 04:48:13 #link http://ankursinha.fedorapeople.org/survey-report.pdf 04:48:21 that's the report on the survey 04:48:38 you can also look at the survey results here: 04:48:41 #link https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0Al73WBsvtlGodFN3emtQdEhVMGdKTXNWX0lWdkVXUmc&hl=en_US#gid=0 04:49:01 FranciscoD, it would have been nice to have used Fedora Infrastructure for the same 04:49:03 +1 FranciscoD you have spent your valuable time for that we all say thanks for that great work 04:49:11 mbuf: there was none in position 04:49:20 if there was, I'd really have used it 04:49:22 FranciscoD, wiki works 04:49:35 good work 04:49:36 nah, wiki isn;t as convenient as the form 04:49:41 s/the/a/ 04:49:49 yep wiki not convenient :P 04:49:54 i wanted to make it as easy as possible to fill her up 04:50:06 even with this form, we have only 40 odd people 04:50:11 submitting the survey 04:50:16 whatever third-party services that people use on a personal basis is their private business 04:50:38 but, when we have a survey for a group, it needs to use its infrastructure 04:50:57 I won't agree with that 04:51:19 i really don't care what tool is used as long as the survey is available to the group and completely transparent 04:51:28 so why do we have Fedora Infrastructure? 04:51:36 Last time LimeSurvy was used as well; it is 3rd part one 04:51:49 was it hosted by Fedora? 04:51:51 mbuf: we dont have survey infra set up on fedora infra 04:51:56 do we now? 04:52:10 need to ping infra team 04:52:12 bring back plone into fedora ;) .. theres form systems etc there :P .. then again, setting up a new infra just for simple surveys doesnt make sense imo .. 04:52:13 FranciscoD, all that was required was a spreadsheet, and wiki can do that 04:52:35 as i explained, the wiki is not sufficient for a survey 04:52:47 also, the wiki doesnt permit anonymous input 04:52:47 the important point is not to rely on third-party for such kind of activities 04:52:52 it has a change log 04:53:06 i wanted anonymous input so people dont shirk from voicing their issues 04:53:07 FranciscoD +1 04:53:07 FranciscoD, exactly 04:53:19 mbuf: the idea is *not* to have a changelog 04:53:32 FranciscoD, you don't want anonymous people to write random things and let groups make decisions on that 04:53:44 FranciscoD, that is not governance 04:53:56 FAS _must_ be used 04:53:57 both have pros and cons 04:54:00 the decisions will be made after an educated discussion 04:54:08 the survey hasnt caused a single decision to be made 04:54:23 do endmeeting first and take this outside of meeting ? 04:54:23 FranciscoD, the approach is not acceptable to a group 04:54:24 i have no clue how you will have anonymous input with FAS login requirements 04:54:34 or ML can be used 04:54:43 FranciscoD, you shouldn't get anonymous input 04:54:52 bckurera: no anonymity on ML 04:54:53 non-anonymous survey wont be effective, ppl wont voice out 04:55:06 anonymity is a must 04:55:11 no we can discuss what is the best method on ML :) 04:55:13 ppl will try to not-offend ppl .. 04:55:14 :) 04:55:21 specially if the survey intends to bring out issues 04:55:24 anyway 04:55:29 this can be discussed later 04:55:41 FranciscoD, okay, later 04:55:47 a few things that the survey pointed out 04:56:03 anyway the final report has many points from active ambassadors 04:56:23 1. people mistake other fedora related activities such as participation in the different teams as fedora ambassador duties 04:56:27 we need to differentiate this 04:56:28 Suresh, how do we know it has not been cooked up? 04:56:29 so we need to solve those things in comming meeting 04:56:31 draw a clear line 04:56:42 FranciscoD, it is a way to understand Fedora 04:56:46 Suresh +1 04:56:53 mbuf: because the various people kept an eye on their inputs 04:57:02 mbuf: but 04:57:06 mbuf: yes i can understand 04:57:10 FranciscoD, otherwise we will only end up with people who have no clue of Fedora 04:57:13 understanding fedora != spreading fedora 04:57:34 FranciscoD, without having the know-how, one cannot present about it 04:57:38 mbuf: well, sign up for ambassadorship once you've understood fedora 04:58:00 FranciscoD, we really want to avoid people who have no clue working inside Fedora and talking random nonsense to the public 04:58:02 you're not an ambassador when you're still in the understanding process 04:58:10 FranciscoD, that is the last thing we want 04:58:22 mbuf: you can be an ambassador along with part of another team 04:58:28 FranciscoD, yes 04:58:32 but, you *must* still carry out ambassador duties 04:58:39 FranciscoD agree with you 04:58:46 mbuf, theres 2 types of events, contributor events and advocacy/promotional events .. when the latter is thought to be a contributor event, thats when its bad 04:58:58 if you look at the survey, quite a few people have listed tasks that are not ambassador related 04:59:09 im a package maintainer for instance, 04:59:16 but that is *not* counted as an ambassador taks 04:59:19 *task 04:59:21 KageSenshi, the problem is that there are lot of inexperienced people who apply for ambassadorship who know neither of them 04:59:32 FranciscoD, I am not even taking the survey into account 04:59:41 mbuf: that is your personal choice 04:59:45 mbuf, i believe this survey is not about recruiting new ambassadors 04:59:47 FranciscoD, unless it comes from Fedora 04:59:47 nothing anyone can do about it 05:00:00 well, it *did* come from fedora contributors 05:00:08 if that isnt fedora, i dont know what you mean 05:00:14 continuing 05:00:30 FranciscoD, when you allow anonymity how can you tell it comes from Fedora contributors? 05:00:34 FranciscoD you mean lack of awareness on FAm duties? 05:00:51 mbuf: because not all inputs there are anonymous? 05:00:57 bckurera: yes 05:01:03 FranciscoD, there is no proof for that 05:01:03 all ambassadors are already have got a mentor 05:01:04 in a nutshell 05:01:19 mbuf: there is no proof that im am in fact speaking to shakti kannan currently 05:01:20 FranciscoD, because it wasn't tied to the FAS 05:01:27 s/are/ 05:01:29 FranciscoD, my nick is registered :) 05:01:32 should we set up an irc server for fedora? 05:01:41 FranciscoD, could 05:01:43 but this is freenode, not fedora infra 05:01:57 FranciscoD, freenode does have nick registration 05:02:02 so? 05:02:12 you can register you nick with fedora irc 05:02:15 FranciscoD, there is authentication 05:02:19 mbuf, but it doesnt prevent ppl from using someone's nick .. 05:02:22 its not using your FAS 05:02:25 at least not by default 05:02:26 there is no link 05:02:33 but for fedora-meeting that is not required 05:02:40 continuing 05:02:40 KageSenshi, you could; but, it will prompt you to sign in 05:02:52 please, we can discuss them later 05:02:55 anyway .. is the bikeshed should be pink ? .. 05:03:02 stop bikeshedding 05:03:04 i'd like to discuss the survey results here 05:03:12 Standards are different for APAC are they not? 05:03:28 in the survey report 05:03:31 I mean for being an Ambadassador 05:03:36 seems like the discussion growing longer can we move to ML and will discuss the topic here please 05:03:42 MarkDude, there are high and low-context cultures, and things don't necessarily work the same in every context 05:03:45 the activities that are listed are a superset of the fedora ambassador duties 05:03:48 MarkDude, india have higher standards .. 05:03:49 while this is awesome 05:03:56 at least among apac XD .. 05:04:06 it does not imply that all the ambassadors are doing duties + other things 05:04:09 KageSenshi, there are no higher/lower standards 05:04:14 a few of them are only doing other things 05:04:38 i'd like to request them to not forget their ambassador duties while participating in other fedora teams 05:04:40 mbuf, i mean, the difficulty imposed by mentors .. 05:04:46 2. issues 05:04:51 KageSenshi, difficulty such as? 05:04:53 I'd like your inputs on this 05:04:58 mbuf: KageSenshi : please pm 05:05:05 you're deflecting my spot light 05:05:07 FranciscoD, ok :) 05:05:12 ;) 05:05:13 * KageSenshi hides 05:05:14 thanks 05:05:31 #info issue 1: lack of time 05:05:38 mbuf, KageSenshi ty. That is my understanding. Here we just need to know about Tux, maybe the Foundations ;) 05:05:44 this is really a personal thing 05:05:55 the one way this can be countered is better co-ordination 05:06:08 while one ambassador is busy, another can take up responsibilities 05:06:14 just a reminder we are at the meeting more than an hour 05:06:42 i'll take 5 min max 05:06:51 #info issue 2 05:06:52 Using the on vacation list for example 05:07:05 vacationlist++ 05:07:18 issue 2 is swag and goodies for events 05:07:25 and reimbursement times 05:07:35 #link http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Vacation 05:07:38 i think this is a FAmSCo thing 05:08:00 i'll try and bring it up in one of their meetings 05:08:12 #info issue 3 -> meeting timings 05:08:20 again, this one's a bummer 05:09:03 #info issue 3 -> regional irc channels 05:09:14 someone mentioned that regional irc channels need more help 05:09:37 if you can, please also try helping out in channels other than #fedora 05:09:42 thats all for me 05:09:56 Thanks franciscoD 05:09:58 short survey, some issues, not anything too big currently 05:10:22 a lot of work behind this report and we should analyse it for better APAC team is possible 05:10:27 +1 FranciscoD, #fedora channel 05:10:37 please do 05:10:43 i welcome a discussion on the ML 05:10:46 please use apac trac for event related swags and so on 05:10:59 yea ML can be used for discussions further 05:11:05 shall we move to Open Floor 05:11:10 we are over 10 minutes 05:11:10 aye 05:11:16 sure 05:11:22 #topic Open Floor 05:11:29 any ideas left? 05:11:44 #idea quartely survey for ambassadors 05:11:55 needs to be discussed further on the ML imo 05:11:55 just curious: 05:12:12 I am in a chicken/egg situation: 05:12:23 #info X-Mas wishes to all ambassadors from APAC 05:12:29 I have not approved as a mentor 05:12:30 Suresh: +1 05:12:34 +1 05:12:38 why not tuanta 05:12:40 (I would like to be) 05:12:44 * FranciscoD would too 05:13:10 I have 1-2 FOSS activist willing to join into Fedora ambassadors 05:13:13 Expanding fedora contribution is a duty of a FAm 05:13:19 they trust me to be their mentor 05:13:42 imo, nothing stopping you from being their mentor 05:13:46 tuanta APAC will support you 05:13:57 support ++++++++ 05:14:06 If I would like to be their official mentor, I need to be approved as a mentor officially first 05:14:13 I work as a mentor here too 05:14:17 in Sri Lanka 05:14:17 tuanta: you can begin mentoring them already 05:14:21 thanks :) 05:14:26 let's discuss this one offlist, it's kind of tricky 05:14:26 but no official no title 05:14:31 but the outcome is same 05:14:36 yes, +1 FranciscoD. 05:14:40 tuanta, yep nothing stopping you .. the official mentors only needed for approving membership if i'm not mistaken.. 05:14:45 aye 05:14:46 I am starting, already 05:14:48 time running :) 05:14:51 awesome :) 05:14:52 ministerial actually 05:15:00 aye 05:15:12 tuanta: do ping me if you need any help! 05:15:23 I thoughts now: 05:15:30 1. still mentor them 05:15:31 do any mentors have "students" looking for tasks at the moment? 05:15:42 2. then introduce them to FAmSCo 05:15:54 3. then get approval to be an official mentor 05:15:54 I am not a mentor but I have some looking for tasks 05:15:56 we can assign "set up fedora survey infra" as one of their tasjs? 05:16:04 *tasks 05:16:06 bckurera: ^ 05:16:17 lol 05:16:18 FranciscoD, fedora-infa? 05:16:20 4. finally, tell them to register as ambassador with mentor is me 05:16:23 I love it FranciscoD one of them is with infra as well 05:16:28 I ll ping you and him soon 05:16:30 FranciscoD, thats not for ambassadors , thats for fedora-infra :) 05:16:32 is that the good process? 05:16:46 azneita: KageSenshi : but an ambassadors needs to run around contacting the correct people ;) 05:16:49 thanks, FranciscoD 05:16:54 FranciscoD, haha ok :) 05:16:58 maybe even join up infra and maintain the survey thingy 05:16:59 ah, so that's the task 05:17:01 tuanta: :D 05:17:11 I personally believe it is good o expose to other teams before applying for FAm as the first team 05:17:19 +1 05:17:21 tuanta, i suggest you do #1 then let's take up #3 05:17:37 #action tuanta raise the chicken/egg situation in mentoring 05:17:39 first join a team -> learn on fedora -> become an ambassador 05:17:41 ey gtg .. got a hackfest happening in 1 hour time .. need to head out 05:17:51 * FranciscoD too 05:17:53 need to brush 05:17:56 lets close up then ;) 05:18:05 KageSenshi thanks for your time 05:18:07 happy holidays guys! 05:18:08 I think we had a great meeting at the end of the year 2011 05:18:13 thanks all 05:18:16 heading out too 05:18:17 thanks all 05:18:18 thanks all 05:18:23 see you next year :) 05:18:25 see you then 05:18:31 so I would like to wish happy xams and a new year : 05:18:38 we are closing them 05:18:43 the last meeting of the year 05:18:50 thanks for all who have participated 05:19:00 we are closing 05:19:03 5 05:19:04 4 05:19:06 3 05:19:08 2 05:19:10 1 05:19:10 Merry Christmas and Happy New Year to all Fedorians, our families, friends and colleagues :) 05:19:17 Happy Holiday thanks for all 05:19:21 #endmeeting