04:00:39 <bckurera> #startmeeting apac
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04:00:54 <bckurera> welcome to apac bi-weekly
04:01:00 <KageSenshi> \o
04:01:13 <bckurera> meeting agenda
04:01:16 <bckurera> #link https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Meeting:APAC_Ambassadors_2011-12-24
04:01:33 <bckurera> #topic Ambassador Pinging
04:01:38 * udinnet hate coming irc from mobile
04:01:49 <bckurera> #chair tuanta harish
04:01:49 <zodbot> Current chairs: bckurera harish tuanta
04:01:49 * FranciscoD jumps in
04:02:09 <udinnet> .fas udinnet
04:02:10 <zodbot> udinnet: udinnet 'Uditha Bandara Wijerathna' <udithabnd@gmail.com>
04:02:12 <bckurera> #char KageSenshi FranciscoD mbuf
04:02:23 <bckurera> #chair KageSenshi FranciscoD mbuf
04:02:23 <zodbot> Current chairs: FranciscoD KageSenshi bckurera harish mbuf tuanta
04:02:32 <KageSenshi> .fas izhar
04:02:33 <zodbot> KageSenshi: izhar 'Mohd Izhar Firdaus Ismail' <kagesenshi.87@gmail.com>
04:02:36 <bckurera> #char udinnet
04:02:36 <mbuf> .fas mbuf
04:02:37 <zodbot> mbuf: shakthimaan 'Shakthi Kannan' <shakthimaan@gmail.com>
04:02:44 <bckurera> .fas bckurera
04:02:45 <zodbot> bckurera: bckurera 'Buddhika Kurera' <bckurera@gmail.com>
04:02:50 <FranciscoD> .fas FranciscoD
04:02:54 <zodbot> FranciscoD: ankursinha 'Ankur Sinha' <sanjay.ankur@gmail.com>
04:03:00 <azneita> .fas azneita
04:03:01 <zodbot> azneita: dona 'dona marie grace' <dona@azneita.org> - azneita '' <herson@azneita.org>
04:03:01 <tuanta> .fas tuanta
04:03:05 <zodbot> tuanta: tuanta 'Truong Anh Tuan' <tuanta@iwayvietnam.com>
04:03:19 <Suresh> .fas suresht
04:03:20 <zodbot> Suresh: suresht 'Sureshkumar Packiyarajah' <sureshp8@gmail.com>
04:03:36 <bckurera> #chair Suresh
04:03:36 <zodbot> Current chairs: FranciscoD KageSenshi Suresh bckurera harish mbuf tuanta
04:03:44 <bckurera> #topic News from FAmSCo
04:03:58 <bckurera> hello we are on the FAmSCo news
04:04:03 <tuanta> bckurera: great to see someone can share the chair :)
04:04:20 <udinnet> So bckurera i already mention you about the ticket
04:04:31 <MarkDude> \o
04:04:40 <Suresh> hey MarkDude
04:04:40 <udinnet> Thanks for mentioning it suresh
04:04:41 <bckurera> we all will do it tuanta but we miss dramsey
04:04:45 <udinnet> :)
04:05:01 <FranciscoD> woah, no dramsey? that's new :P
04:05:09 <bckurera> yeah I ll open the ticket later lil busy these days
04:05:11 <MarkDude> Greetings Fedorans
04:05:20 <udinnet> XD
04:05:25 <FranciscoD> lets proceed
04:05:34 <bckurera> any news?
04:05:35 <FranciscoD> anything from FAmSCo then?
04:05:40 * FranciscoD looks around
04:05:47 <bckurera> I have something from Harish
04:05:58 <bckurera> He is getting 2000 CDs soon
04:06:16 <azneita> good news
04:06:20 <bckurera> If anyone need then please open a ticket at
04:06:22 <udinnet> Hmmm
04:06:27 <bckurera> #link https://fedorahosted.org/fedora-apac
04:06:29 <tuanta> a great news: the new elected FAmCSo has the first meeting
04:06:42 <udinnet> Yes
04:06:46 <bckurera> tuanta +1
04:07:12 <tuanta> they discuss so much about the best way to communicate among FAmSCo and with Ambassadors
04:07:15 <KageSenshi> #info 2000 64bit liveCDs will be available at harish on wednesday
04:07:29 <FranciscoD> is the same meeting not a lot if the members managed to attend?
04:07:31 <tuanta> I personally '+1" with Christoph in almost things
04:07:38 * FranciscoD remembers reading something on the list about it
04:08:07 <tuanta> hope the new FAmSCo will help us much more
04:08:19 <FranciscoD> AYE
04:08:23 <FranciscoD> oops
04:08:25 <FranciscoD> aye
04:08:33 <udinnet> tuanta +1
04:08:44 <bckurera> And one thing pointed on the meeting was to use the regional trac to ask support
04:08:53 * azneita notes the new famsco is off to a great start
04:08:55 <tuanta> any FAmSCo available today?
04:09:01 <bckurera> so that we can discuss them on the APAC bi-weekly and fulfill that
04:09:06 <bckurera> I think it is a good idea
04:09:49 <tuanta> no one
04:09:55 <bckurera> seems like that
04:09:56 <FranciscoD> next
04:10:00 <tuanta> we can move on, bckurera
04:10:06 <azneita> i believe that's the original intention for the reg lists
04:10:13 <bckurera> pls make it tuanta will co-chair :)
04:10:54 <bckurera> #topic Review *ACTION* items from the last meeting
04:11:01 <bckurera> ok then action iteams
04:11:13 <bckurera> #link http://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting/2011-12-10/apac.2011-12-10-04.00.html
04:11:17 <tuanta> come on, bckurera. we should have only one chair per meeting
04:11:21 <tuanta> that's better
04:11:51 <kk4ewt> tuanta: -1
04:11:56 <tuanta> the action #4: "harish should review the famsco ticket #230 of tuanta and the apac ticket #12 of aks" has been done
04:12:04 <udinnet> XD
04:12:28 <bckurera> any update tuanta?
04:12:32 <tuanta> kk4ewt: I meant only one person to put the command such as "#topic" :)
04:12:54 <bckurera> udinnet : 1. udinnet write report of Fedora_Seminar_Anuradhapura_2011
04:13:02 <kk4ewt> tuanta:  and if they lose connection there is a problem
04:13:04 <tuanta> #chair kk4ewt
04:13:04 <zodbot> Current chairs: FranciscoD KageSenshi Suresh bckurera harish kk4ewt mbuf tuanta
04:13:12 <tuanta> .fasinfo kk4ewt
04:13:13 <zodbot> tuanta: User "kk4ewt" doesn't exist
04:13:36 <udinnet> Opps
04:13:36 <bckurera> udinnet has written a brief event report
04:13:37 <Suresh> kk4ewt: hi and he has much more experience :)
04:13:50 <azneita> bckurera, link pls
04:14:05 <bckurera> udinnet link pls?
04:14:05 <udinnet> Yup event report and photos are up
04:14:26 <Suresh> tuanta: he is Southern-Gentleman(Vilegent) don you know him???
04:14:35 <udinnet> Bckurera i coming from my mobile can you pls post the link
04:14:44 <udinnet> :(
04:14:46 <kk4ewt> Suresh:  let it go
04:14:52 <udinnet> Sorry
04:15:07 <tuanta> Suresh: I read his messages on the mailing list only, no more private contacts.
04:15:14 <udinnet> It is the lod event page
04:15:26 <bckurera> #link https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Fedora_Seminar_Anuradhapura_2011#Event_Report
04:15:32 <udinnet> Please do it for me
04:15:35 <udinnet> Thanks
04:15:35 <bckurera> udinnet has added it to the event page
04:15:43 <bckurera> and he will soon write a blog post as well
04:15:52 <bckurera> you can see photos there till then
04:16:04 <tuanta> how about other previous actions?
04:16:16 <udinnet> we had a great event!
04:16:17 <bckurera> 2. harish should review the famsco ticket #230 of tuanta and the apac ticket #12 of aks
04:16:31 <bckurera> udinnet +1
04:17:03 <azneita> nice shirts :)
04:17:10 <udinnet> Ha ha ha
04:17:19 <bckurera> 3. Ambassadors' survey quick look
04:17:29 <bckurera> I think FrancisdoD will talk about this later
04:17:41 <bckurera> 4. LMartinez invites everyone to contribute to the discussion on the ambassadors mailing list about LCA2012
04:17:44 <Suresh> #action udinnet writes event report
04:17:56 <bckurera> anyway update from LMartinez
04:18:16 <azneita> for this item, anybody else going to LCA12
04:18:24 <tuanta> #meetingname APAC
04:18:24 <zodbot> The meeting name has been set to 'apac'
04:18:25 * udinnet should write it soon
04:18:39 <FranciscoD> i will
04:18:55 <azneita> cool
04:19:07 <bckurera> FranciscoD anyway update on LCA then?
04:19:09 <azneita> you'll be seeing LMartinez?
04:19:22 <tuanta> next, please
04:19:36 <Suresh> wait i have one
04:19:45 <udinnet> Go on
04:19:57 <Suresh> bckurera: what about this ticket https://fedorahosted.org/famsco/ticket/112
04:20:29 <azneita> it's private?
04:20:35 <bckurera> Polos are ready
04:20:43 <Suresh> please close soon as possible :)
04:20:59 <bckurera> shipping is the remaining part
04:21:00 <Suresh> since it takes too longs time
04:21:16 <bckurera> I targeted the last FUDcon
04:21:19 <bckurera> but I missed it
04:21:47 <Suresh> #action  #112 bckurera ships swag soon as possible.
04:22:02 <udinnet> Yup those are the polo what we wearing in that event
04:22:07 <udinnet> :)
04:22:13 <Suresh> almost 1 year finised.
04:22:33 <azneita> do attach the receipts to the ticket too
04:22:37 <bckurera> anything else?
04:22:43 * FranciscoD not know anything LCA
04:22:48 <bckurera> Tuanta what about your ticket then?
04:23:36 <bckurera> shall we move then?
04:24:04 <udinnet> Good news is here lk.fedoracommunity.org is up now
04:24:28 <udinnet> We need some time for the developmet
04:24:39 <bckurera> you did it udinnet , great to have a techie like you
04:24:46 <KageSenshi> cool .. on the same topic, we've finally got the fedora.my domain ticket closed
04:24:48 <udinnet> Suresh : any ideas
04:24:57 <KageSenshi> no more fedora.foss.org.my, its fedora.my now
04:24:58 <KageSenshi> :D
04:25:01 <udinnet> Bckurera : thanks
04:25:08 <KageSenshi> after 2 years .. lol
04:25:17 <azneita> KageSenshi, why not my.fedoracommunity.org
04:25:21 <bckurera> great KageSenshi
04:25:38 <KageSenshi> azneita, it was requested way before the existence of fedoracommunity.org ..
04:25:39 <tuanta> bckurera: my ticket #230 has been closed (mentioned above)
04:25:39 <bckurera> #local community web site lk.fedoracommunity.org is up
04:26:10 <bckurera> ok folks will move then
04:26:23 <udinnet> Sure
04:26:24 <tuanta> next please, bckurera. we have got a lot things need to be discussed today
04:26:24 <bckurera> #topic APAC Trac for regional support
04:26:45 <bckurera> #link https://fedorahosted.org/fedora-apac/ticket/12
04:26:51 <bckurera> this is from aks
04:27:01 <bckurera> still we hear nothing, am I right?
04:27:46 <bckurera> will contact aks and ask him to attach receipt soon, so that harish can move on this
04:27:47 <Suresh> bckurera: you go there is all breif info and  he need to closed this
04:28:09 <bckurera> Suresh can u please explain?
04:28:25 <Suresh> already i have sent mail him about it
04:28:28 <tuanta> bckurera: should that be an action?
04:28:43 <bckurera> I see no update in the ticket from aks
04:28:53 <Suresh> he had event it was finished and he produced just his laser jet printer print's
04:29:24 <bckurera> Will ask him to update the ticket asap then it is good
04:29:30 <azneita> +1
04:29:50 <bckurera> if everything is ok he can close the ticket
04:29:54 <Suresh> he says he did not spend much more money about it.
04:30:14 <bckurera> #action aks to update the ticket https://fedorahosted.org/fedora-apac/ticket/12
04:30:44 <Suresh> yes
04:31:00 <bckurera> Harish will take the required actions to attend https://fedorahosted.org/fedora-apac/ticket/13
04:31:10 <bckurera> shall we move then?
04:31:36 <bckurera> #chair harish_
04:31:36 <zodbot> Current chairs: FranciscoD KageSenshi Suresh bckurera harish harish_ kk4ewt mbuf tuanta
04:31:44 <Suresh> go on :)
04:32:05 * harish_ wondering why i got disconnected. oh well.
04:32:05 <bckurera> #action harish to respond https://fedorahosted.org/fedora-apac/ticket/13
04:32:16 <bckurera> #topic APAC Events
04:32:28 <bckurera> mbuf here is the topic
04:32:52 <bckurera> we can talk about APAC FUDcon bids as well
04:33:03 <mbuf> had organized an event on December 3, 2011 at Foresight, Pune, India
04:33:12 <mbuf> #link http://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/india/2011-December/005069.html
04:33:21 <Suresh> +1 mbuf
04:33:26 <mbuf> had sent the report earlier to the list
04:33:47 <Suresh> great reports & photos :)
04:33:54 <mbuf> there is a tux event that I am organizing this Tuesday, at CoEP, Pune, India
04:34:01 <mbuf> have added that to the Fedora events page
04:34:12 <mbuf> will send the report after the event; thanks
04:34:35 <bckurera> great mbuf thanks for nice work
04:34:36 <mbuf> #link http://mind-spark.org/tux.php
04:34:50 <bckurera> is there any updates/ discussion on APAC bid?
04:35:05 <harish> tuanta's famsco 230 ticket is closed, btw.
04:35:11 <harish_> for the record, I'd like to thank mbuf for his excellent work in educating and promoting Fedora in India.
04:35:36 <mbuf> harish_, happy to help around
04:35:39 <FranciscoD> +1
04:35:41 <bckurera> we all should thank him, apac is doing great
04:36:20 <KageSenshi> +1
04:36:21 <bckurera> China and Ph what about FUDcon bids?
04:36:35 <tuanta> I got two Fedora presentation in recent week
04:36:43 <Suresh> KageSenshi and azneita :)
04:36:46 <azneita> we have a draft page, but we still need to fill in a lot of blanks
04:37:06 <KageSenshi> azneita, share the link :)
04:37:08 <azneita> the holidays overtook us, but we hope to put them in
04:37:14 <tuanta> one in FOSS@HUS Hanoi and the other in FOSS@ICTU Thai Nguyen
04:37:18 <KageSenshi> (so that i can *steal*cough*copy* stuff .. lol
04:37:23 <bckurera> azneita +1
04:37:38 <azneita> china has the best looking page from last year :)
04:38:05 <azneita> #link http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FUDCon:Bid_for_Beijing_2012
04:38:06 <Suresh> but i dont see any edting for this terms
04:38:14 <Suresh> oh...
04:38:14 <bckurera> it is great to see two/three bids from APAC :)
04:38:16 <azneita> #link https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FUDCon:APAC_2012_Bid_Malaysia
04:38:22 <Suresh> thanks azneita
04:38:28 <azneita> #link https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FUDCon:Bid_for_Philippines_2012
04:38:32 * FranciscoD hopes to make it wherever it is ;)
04:38:41 <Suresh> so we have 3 bid's
04:38:43 <KageSenshi> :D
04:38:46 <azneita> the deadline is january 11
04:38:52 <KageSenshi> jauary 1 or 11 ?
04:38:58 <bckurera> currently I think it is two bids
04:39:15 <azneita> 11
04:39:18 <KageSenshi> sure?
04:39:27 <azneita> that's what jsmith's email have
04:39:34 <Suresh> #info FudCon 2012 deadline is january 11
04:39:38 <azneita> if it's 1, my will win it :)
04:39:40 <KageSenshi> lol i think i read it as 1 .. but anyway its better to move faster
04:40:07 <bckurera> ok folks shall we move then??
04:40:08 <FranciscoD> XD
04:40:10 <FranciscoD> aye
04:40:13 <bckurera> anything to add more?
04:40:15 <KageSenshi> ok move on :)
04:40:15 <Suresh> yea
04:40:31 <bckurera> #topic Status of F16 Release Parties
04:40:58 <bckurera> any info or support needed?
04:41:20 * FranciscoD doesnt have release parties, but some unconferences in mind
04:41:26 <bckurera> In Sri Lanka there will be no events for this year
04:41:29 <FranciscoD> will file tickets etc. as the plans develop
04:41:30 <azneita> none from ph atm
04:41:37 <bckurera> will start working again on January
04:41:49 <FranciscoD> lets continue then
04:42:05 * FranciscoD notes that we need to quicken our meetings ;)
04:42:11 <bckurera> please open up a ticket at the trac if you need support
04:42:14 <bckurera> #link https://fedorahosted.org/fedora-apac/
04:42:23 * FranciscoD notes
04:42:26 <bckurera> #topic APAC plans for 2012(Suresh)
04:42:26 <Suresh> +1 FranciscoD
04:42:30 <bckurera> suresh it is yours
04:42:43 <Suresh> oh it's my time :)
04:42:52 <FranciscoD> #link https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/APAC_Plans_2012
04:42:53 * Suresh looking my page
04:43:01 <Suresh> yea
04:43:07 <tuanta> follow up on Fedora Release parties, does anyone hear anything about Fedora release Dinners?
04:43:20 <Suresh> i remove item "pining inactive ambassadors
04:43:26 <FranciscoD> none yet tuanta
04:43:28 <tuanta> as usual last releases?
04:43:32 <bckurera> I didnt hear
04:43:40 <Suresh> because this what FranciscoD already done via reports
04:43:48 <KageSenshi> release dinner a bit late now i think .. at least to me .. but would be great if we can have it again for next release
04:43:58 <FranciscoD> Suresh: :D
04:44:16 <bckurera> will make release dinners a fedora habit
04:44:25 <FranciscoD> bckurera: +1
04:44:28 <FranciscoD> Suresh: please continue
04:44:35 <bckurera> yea suresh please
04:44:37 <Suresh> but i added this iteam in "Prize for best Event photo." for Beefy Miracle[F17]
04:44:51 <tuanta> no late, KageSenshi, whenever
04:44:52 <FranciscoD> +1
04:45:01 <bckurera> Best event photo, thats great
04:45:02 <KageSenshi> coz my plan is somewhat like this -> release dinner right after release ... for contributors only .. then once CD/DVD ready, FAD to public ..
04:45:02 <FranciscoD> ^ for both statements
04:45:34 <FranciscoD> KageSenshi: new plan -> release dinner whenever folks can come together ;)
04:45:42 <bckurera> nice idea KageSenshi
04:45:48 <Suresh> so i am working with page edting so may be i can get agree by next meeting #link https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/APAC_Plans_2012
04:45:53 <tuanta> #action tuanta: submit a question on the ambassador mailing list to ask about Fedora 16 release dinners
04:45:55 <KageSenshi> and we'll be having FAD next month :)
04:46:04 <FranciscoD> Suresh: great!
04:46:12 <FranciscoD> I look forward to the final draft :)
04:46:22 <Suresh> sure FranciscoD
04:46:23 <bckurera> Suresh +1
04:46:39 <bckurera> next??
04:46:39 <tuanta> +1 Suresh
04:46:45 <Suresh> eof
04:46:58 <bckurera> thanks suresh for the work
04:46:59 <KageSenshi> next~
04:47:01 <bckurera> will move then
04:47:04 <tuanta> lets move on, bckurera
04:47:11 <bckurera> #topic Red Hat information training for Ambassadors (dramsey)
04:47:17 <bckurera> it is dramseys'
04:47:36 <Suresh> next
04:47:40 <KageSenshi> next~~~~
04:47:43 <bckurera> dramsey will talk about this next tmie
04:47:48 <bckurera> #topic Ambassadors' survey followup(ankursinha)
04:47:52 <FranciscoD> ah
04:47:54 <bckurera> FranciscoD this is yours :)
04:48:05 <FranciscoD> aye
04:48:10 * FranciscoD jumps in with his cape
04:48:13 <FranciscoD> #link http://ankursinha.fedorapeople.org/survey-report.pdf
04:48:21 <FranciscoD> that's the report on the survey
04:48:38 <FranciscoD> you can also look at the survey results here:
04:48:41 <FranciscoD> #link https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0Al73WBsvtlGodFN3emtQdEhVMGdKTXNWX0lWdkVXUmc&hl=en_US#gid=0
04:49:01 <mbuf> FranciscoD, it would have been nice to have used Fedora Infrastructure for the same
04:49:03 <Suresh> +1 FranciscoD you have spent your valuable time for that we all say thanks for that great work
04:49:11 <FranciscoD> mbuf: there was none in position
04:49:20 <FranciscoD> if there was, I'd really have used it
04:49:22 <mbuf> FranciscoD, wiki works
04:49:35 <bckurera> good work
04:49:36 <FranciscoD> nah, wiki isn;t as convenient as the form
04:49:41 <FranciscoD> s/the/a/
04:49:49 <KageSenshi> yep wiki not convenient :P
04:49:54 <FranciscoD> i wanted to make it as easy as possible to fill her up
04:50:06 <FranciscoD> even with this form, we have only 40 odd people
04:50:11 <FranciscoD> submitting the survey
04:50:16 <mbuf> whatever third-party services that people use on a personal basis is their private business
04:50:38 <mbuf> but, when we have a survey for a group, it needs to use its infrastructure
04:50:57 <FranciscoD> I won't agree with that
04:51:19 <FranciscoD> i really don't care what tool is used as long as the survey is available to the group and completely transparent
04:51:28 <mbuf> so why do we have Fedora Infrastructure?
04:51:36 <bckurera> Last time LimeSurvy was used as well; it is 3rd part one
04:51:49 <mbuf> was it hosted by Fedora?
04:51:51 <FranciscoD> mbuf: we dont have survey infra set up on fedora infra
04:51:56 <FranciscoD> do we now?
04:52:10 <bckurera> need to ping infra team
04:52:12 <KageSenshi> bring back plone into fedora ;) .. theres form systems etc there :P .. then again, setting up a new infra just for simple surveys doesnt make sense imo ..
04:52:13 <mbuf> FranciscoD, all that was required was a spreadsheet, and wiki can do that
04:52:35 <FranciscoD> as i explained, the wiki is not sufficient for a survey
04:52:47 <FranciscoD> also, the wiki doesnt permit anonymous input
04:52:47 <mbuf> the important point is not to rely on third-party for such kind of activities
04:52:52 <FranciscoD> it has a change log
04:53:06 <FranciscoD> i wanted anonymous input so people dont shirk from voicing their issues
04:53:07 <bckurera> FranciscoD +1
04:53:07 <mbuf> FranciscoD, exactly
04:53:19 <FranciscoD> mbuf: the idea is *not* to have a changelog
04:53:32 <mbuf> FranciscoD, you don't want anonymous people to write random things and let groups make decisions on that
04:53:44 <mbuf> FranciscoD, that is not governance
04:53:56 <mbuf> FAS _must_ be used
04:53:57 <bckurera> both have pros and cons
04:54:00 <FranciscoD> the decisions will be made after an educated discussion
04:54:08 <FranciscoD> the survey hasnt caused a single decision to be made
04:54:23 <KageSenshi> do endmeeting first and take this outside of meeting ?
04:54:23 <mbuf> FranciscoD, the approach is not acceptable to a group
04:54:24 <FranciscoD> i have no clue how you will have anonymous input with FAS login requirements
04:54:34 <bckurera> or ML can be used
04:54:43 <mbuf> FranciscoD, you shouldn't get anonymous input
04:54:52 <FranciscoD> bckurera: no anonymity on ML
04:54:53 <KageSenshi> non-anonymous survey wont be effective, ppl wont voice out
04:55:06 <FranciscoD> anonymity is a must
04:55:11 <bckurera> no we can discuss what is the best method on ML :)
04:55:13 <KageSenshi> ppl will try to not-offend ppl ..
04:55:14 <KageSenshi> :)
04:55:21 <FranciscoD> specially if the survey intends to bring out issues
04:55:24 <FranciscoD> anyway
04:55:29 <FranciscoD> this can be discussed later
04:55:41 <mbuf> FranciscoD, okay, later
04:55:47 <FranciscoD> a few things that the survey pointed out
04:56:03 <Suresh> anyway the final report has many points from active ambassadors
04:56:23 <FranciscoD> 1. people mistake other fedora related activities such as participation in the different teams as fedora ambassador duties
04:56:27 <FranciscoD> we need to differentiate this
04:56:28 <mbuf> Suresh, how do we know it has not been cooked up?
04:56:29 <Suresh> so we need to solve those things in comming meeting
04:56:31 <FranciscoD> draw a clear line
04:56:42 <mbuf> FranciscoD, it is a way to understand Fedora
04:56:46 <bckurera> Suresh +1
04:56:53 <FranciscoD> mbuf: because the various people kept an eye on their inputs
04:57:02 <FranciscoD> mbuf: but
04:57:06 <Suresh> mbuf: yes i can understand
04:57:10 <mbuf> FranciscoD, otherwise we will only end up with people who have no clue of Fedora
04:57:13 <FranciscoD> understanding fedora != spreading fedora
04:57:34 <mbuf> FranciscoD, without having the know-how, one cannot present about it
04:57:38 <FranciscoD> mbuf: well, sign up for ambassadorship once you've understood fedora
04:58:00 <mbuf> FranciscoD, we really want to avoid people who have no clue working inside Fedora and talking random nonsense to the public
04:58:02 <FranciscoD> you're not an ambassador when you're still in the understanding process
04:58:10 <mbuf> FranciscoD, that is the last thing we want
04:58:22 <FranciscoD> mbuf: you can be an ambassador along with part of another team
04:58:28 <mbuf> FranciscoD, yes
04:58:32 <FranciscoD> but, you *must* still carry out ambassador duties
04:58:39 <bckurera> FranciscoD agree with you
04:58:46 <KageSenshi> mbuf, theres 2 types of events, contributor events and advocacy/promotional events .. when the latter is thought to be a contributor event, thats when its bad
04:58:58 <FranciscoD> if you look at the survey, quite a few people have listed tasks that are not ambassador related
04:59:09 <FranciscoD> im a package maintainer for instance,
04:59:16 <FranciscoD> but that is *not* counted as an ambassador taks
04:59:19 <FranciscoD> *task
04:59:21 <mbuf> KageSenshi, the problem is that there are lot of inexperienced people who apply for ambassadorship who know neither of them
04:59:32 <mbuf> FranciscoD, I am not even taking the survey into account
04:59:41 <FranciscoD> mbuf: that is your personal choice
04:59:45 <KageSenshi> mbuf, i believe this survey is not about recruiting new ambassadors
04:59:47 <mbuf> FranciscoD, unless it comes from Fedora
04:59:47 <FranciscoD> nothing anyone can do about it
05:00:00 <FranciscoD> well, it *did* come from fedora contributors
05:00:08 <FranciscoD> if that isnt fedora, i dont know what you mean
05:00:14 <FranciscoD> continuing
05:00:30 <mbuf> FranciscoD, when you allow anonymity how can you tell it comes from Fedora contributors?
05:00:34 <bckurera> FranciscoD you mean lack of awareness on FAm duties?
05:00:51 <FranciscoD> mbuf: because not all inputs there are anonymous?
05:00:57 <FranciscoD> bckurera: yes
05:01:03 <mbuf> FranciscoD, there is no proof for that
05:01:03 <tuanta> all ambassadors are already have got a mentor
05:01:04 <FranciscoD> in a nutshell
05:01:19 <FranciscoD> mbuf: there is no proof that im am in fact speaking to shakti kannan currently
05:01:20 <mbuf> FranciscoD, because it wasn't tied to the FAS
05:01:27 <tuanta> s/are/
05:01:29 <mbuf> FranciscoD, my nick is registered :)
05:01:32 <FranciscoD> should we set up an irc server for fedora?
05:01:41 <mbuf> FranciscoD, could
05:01:43 <FranciscoD> but this is freenode, not fedora infra
05:01:57 <mbuf> FranciscoD, freenode does have nick registration
05:02:02 <FranciscoD> so?
05:02:12 <bckurera> you can register you nick with fedora irc
05:02:15 <mbuf> FranciscoD, there is authentication
05:02:19 <KageSenshi> mbuf, but it doesnt prevent ppl from using someone's nick ..
05:02:22 <FranciscoD> its not using your FAS
05:02:25 <KageSenshi> at least not by default
05:02:26 <FranciscoD> there is no link
05:02:33 <bckurera> but for fedora-meeting that is not required
05:02:40 <FranciscoD> continuing
05:02:40 <mbuf> KageSenshi, you could; but, it will prompt you to sign in
05:02:52 <FranciscoD> please, we can discuss them later
05:02:55 <KageSenshi> anyway .. is the bikeshed should be pink ? ..
05:03:02 <KageSenshi> stop bikeshedding
05:03:04 <FranciscoD> i'd like to discuss the survey results here
05:03:12 <MarkDude> Standards are different for APAC are they not?
05:03:28 <FranciscoD> in the survey report
05:03:31 <MarkDude> I mean for being an Ambadassador
05:03:36 <bckurera> seems like the discussion growing longer can we move to ML and will discuss the topic here please
05:03:42 <mbuf> MarkDude, there are high and low-context cultures, and things don't necessarily work the same in every context
05:03:45 <FranciscoD> the activities that are listed are a superset of the fedora ambassador duties
05:03:48 <KageSenshi> MarkDude, india have higher standards ..
05:03:49 <FranciscoD> while this is awesome
05:03:56 <KageSenshi> at least among apac XD ..
05:04:06 <FranciscoD> it does not imply that all the ambassadors are doing duties + other things
05:04:09 <mbuf> KageSenshi, there are no higher/lower standards
05:04:14 <FranciscoD> a few of them are only doing other things
05:04:38 <FranciscoD> i'd like to request them to not forget their ambassador duties while participating in other fedora teams
05:04:40 <KageSenshi> mbuf, i mean, the difficulty imposed by mentors ..
05:04:46 <FranciscoD> 2. issues
05:04:51 <mbuf> KageSenshi, difficulty such as?
05:04:53 <FranciscoD> I'd like your inputs on this
05:04:58 <FranciscoD> mbuf: KageSenshi : please pm
05:05:05 <FranciscoD> you're deflecting my spot light
05:05:07 <KageSenshi> FranciscoD, ok :)
05:05:12 <FranciscoD> ;)
05:05:13 * KageSenshi hides
05:05:14 <FranciscoD> thanks
05:05:31 <FranciscoD> #info issue 1: lack of time
05:05:38 <MarkDude> mbuf, KageSenshi ty. That is my understanding. Here we just need to know about Tux, maybe the Foundations ;)
05:05:44 <FranciscoD> this is really a personal thing
05:05:55 <FranciscoD> the one way this can be countered is better co-ordination
05:06:08 <FranciscoD> while one ambassador is busy, another can take up responsibilities
05:06:14 <bckurera> just a reminder we are at the meeting more than an hour
05:06:42 <FranciscoD> i'll take 5 min max
05:06:51 <FranciscoD> #info issue 2
05:06:52 <bckurera> Using the on vacation list for example
05:07:05 <FranciscoD> vacationlist++
05:07:18 <FranciscoD> issue 2 is swag and goodies for events
05:07:25 <FranciscoD> and reimbursement times
05:07:35 <bckurera> #link http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Vacation
05:07:38 <FranciscoD> i think this is a FAmSCo thing
05:08:00 <FranciscoD> i'll try and bring it up in one of their meetings
05:08:12 <FranciscoD> #info issue 3 -> meeting timings
05:08:20 <FranciscoD> again, this one's a bummer
05:09:03 <FranciscoD> #info issue 3 -> regional irc channels
05:09:14 <FranciscoD> someone mentioned that regional irc channels need more help
05:09:37 <FranciscoD> if you can, please also try helping out in channels other than #fedora
05:09:42 <FranciscoD> thats all for me
05:09:56 <bckurera> Thanks franciscoD
05:09:58 <FranciscoD> short survey, some issues, not anything too big currently
05:10:22 <bckurera> a lot of work behind this report and we should analyse it for better APAC team is possible
05:10:27 <tuanta> +1 FranciscoD, #fedora channel
05:10:37 <FranciscoD> please do
05:10:43 <FranciscoD> i welcome a discussion on the ML
05:10:46 <bckurera> please use apac trac for event related swags and so on
05:10:59 <bckurera> yea ML can be used for discussions further
05:11:05 <bckurera> shall we move to Open Floor
05:11:10 <tuanta> we are over 10 minutes
05:11:10 <FranciscoD> aye
05:11:16 <tuanta> sure
05:11:22 <bckurera> #topic Open Floor
05:11:29 <bckurera> any ideas left?
05:11:44 <FranciscoD> #idea quartely survey for ambassadors
05:11:55 <FranciscoD> needs to be discussed further on the ML imo
05:11:55 <tuanta> just curious:
05:12:12 <tuanta> I am in a chicken/egg situation:
05:12:23 <Suresh> #info X-Mas wishes to all ambassadors from APAC
05:12:29 <tuanta> I have not approved as a mentor
05:12:30 <FranciscoD> Suresh: +1
05:12:34 <KageSenshi> +1
05:12:38 <azneita> why not tuanta
05:12:40 <tuanta> (I would like to be)
05:12:44 * FranciscoD would too
05:13:10 <tuanta> I have 1-2 FOSS activist willing to join into Fedora ambassadors
05:13:13 <bckurera> Expanding fedora contribution is a duty of a FAm
05:13:19 <tuanta> they trust me to be their mentor
05:13:42 <azneita> imo, nothing stopping you from being their mentor
05:13:46 <bckurera> tuanta APAC will support you
05:13:57 <FranciscoD> support ++++++++
05:14:06 <tuanta> If I would like to be their official mentor, I need to be approved as a mentor officially first
05:14:13 <bckurera> I work as a mentor here too
05:14:17 <bckurera> in Sri Lanka
05:14:17 <FranciscoD> tuanta: you can begin mentoring them already
05:14:21 <tuanta> thanks :)
05:14:26 <azneita> let's discuss this one offlist, it's kind of tricky
05:14:26 <bckurera> but no official no title
05:14:31 <bckurera> but the outcome is same
05:14:36 <tuanta> yes, +1 FranciscoD.
05:14:40 <KageSenshi> tuanta, yep nothing stopping you .. the official mentors only needed for approving membership if i'm not mistaken..
05:14:45 <FranciscoD> aye
05:14:46 <tuanta> I am starting, already
05:14:48 <Suresh> time running :)
05:14:51 <FranciscoD> awesome :)
05:14:52 <azneita> ministerial actually
05:15:00 <FranciscoD> aye
05:15:12 <FranciscoD> tuanta: do ping me if you need any help!
05:15:23 <tuanta> I thoughts now:
05:15:30 <tuanta> 1. still mentor them
05:15:31 <FranciscoD> do any mentors have "students" looking for tasks at the moment?
05:15:42 <tuanta> 2. then introduce them to FAmSCo
05:15:54 <tuanta> 3. then get approval to be an official mentor
05:15:54 <bckurera> I am not a mentor but I have some looking for tasks
05:15:56 <FranciscoD> we can assign "set up fedora survey infra" as one of their tasjs?
05:16:04 <FranciscoD> *tasks
05:16:06 <FranciscoD> bckurera: ^
05:16:17 <KageSenshi> lol
05:16:18 <azneita> FranciscoD, fedora-infa?
05:16:20 <tuanta> 4. finally, tell them to register as ambassador with mentor is me
05:16:23 <bckurera> I love it FranciscoD one of them is with infra as well
05:16:28 <bckurera> I ll ping you and him soon
05:16:30 <KageSenshi> FranciscoD, thats not for ambassadors , thats for fedora-infra :)
05:16:32 <tuanta> is that the good process?
05:16:46 <FranciscoD> azneita: KageSenshi : but an ambassadors needs to run around contacting the correct people ;)
05:16:49 <tuanta> thanks, FranciscoD
05:16:54 <KageSenshi> FranciscoD, haha ok :)
05:16:58 <FranciscoD> maybe even join up infra and maintain the survey thingy
05:16:59 <azneita> ah, so that's the task
05:17:01 <FranciscoD> tuanta: :D
05:17:11 <bckurera> I personally believe it is good o expose to other teams before applying for FAm as the first team
05:17:19 <FranciscoD> +1
05:17:21 <azneita> tuanta, i suggest you do #1 then let's take up #3
05:17:37 <tuanta> #action tuanta raise the chicken/egg situation in mentoring
05:17:39 <FranciscoD> first join a team -> learn on fedora -> become an ambassador
05:17:41 <KageSenshi> ey gtg .. got a hackfest happening in 1 hour time .. need to head out
05:17:51 * FranciscoD too
05:17:53 <FranciscoD> need to brush
05:17:56 <FranciscoD> lets close up then ;)
05:18:05 <bckurera> KageSenshi thanks for your time
05:18:07 <azneita> happy holidays guys!
05:18:08 <bckurera> I think we had a great meeting at the end of the year 2011
05:18:13 <tuanta> thanks all
05:18:16 <azneita> heading out too
05:18:17 <mbuf> thanks all
05:18:18 <Suresh> thanks all
05:18:23 <tuanta> see you next year :)
05:18:25 <Suresh> see you then
05:18:31 <bckurera> so I would like to wish happy xams and a new year :
05:18:38 <bckurera> we are closing them
05:18:43 <bckurera> the last meeting of the year
05:18:50 <bckurera> thanks for all who have participated
05:19:00 <bckurera> we are closing
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05:19:10 <tuanta> Merry Christmas and Happy New Year to all Fedorians, our families, friends and colleagues :)
05:19:17 <bckurera> Happy Holiday thanks for all
05:19:21 <bckurera> #endmeeting