05:06:55 <juhp> #startmeeting i18n 05:06:56 <zodbot> Meeting started Thu Dec 22 05:06:55 2011 UTC. The chair is juhp. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 05:06:56 <zodbot> Useful Commands: #action #agreed #halp #info #idea #link #topic. 05:07:52 <juhp> okay this week I am running the meeting for tagoh since he might be unavailable at this time 05:08:23 <juhp> who is here today? 05:08:40 <dueno> hi 05:08:43 <juhp> we have an agenda page: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/I18N/Meetings/2011-12-22 05:09:13 <jni> hi 05:09:16 <fujiwarat> hi 05:10:25 <juhp> I guess we will talk first first about F17 features 05:10:47 <pravins> hi 05:10:54 <anish_> hi 05:10:57 <pravins> juhp: yes 05:11:00 <paragan> hi 05:11:02 <epico_laptop> hi 05:11:23 <pravins> me filed https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Features/IndicUnicode6 this week 05:11:29 <juhp> #topic F17 05:11:36 <juhp> pravins, aha 05:12:40 <pravins> still 3 remains indic-typing-booster, english-typing-booster and indian language support 05:12:55 <pravins> i think anish_: will take care for english-typing-booster feature page :) 05:13:09 <anish_> pravins, sure :) 05:13:29 <juhp> great thanks 05:14:16 <juhp> tagoh: should we add you to https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Features/FontConfigurationTool ? 05:14:51 <tagoh> juhp: sure. I don't mind either. 05:15:36 <juhp> tagoh: I guess libeasyfc is also part of it now? 05:16:02 <tagoh> juhp: ah, yes. I think so 05:16:09 <juhp> ok 05:16:41 <juhp> fujiwarat, we don't need another feature for ibus/gnome this time? 05:17:32 <fujiwarat> hmm..., maybe none. 05:18:15 * juhp adds https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Features/libpinyin 05:18:27 <juhp> are we missing any other features? 05:18:48 <juhp> either from the agenda or the wiki? :) 05:18:57 <pravins> juhp: now only one locale missing out of 22 language, hoping to get is by tomorrow :) 05:19:04 <juhp> wow 05:19:12 <pravins> yet, not filed in upstream 05:19:12 <juhp> that's great 05:19:16 <pravins> thanks 05:19:18 <juhp> ok 05:21:40 <juhp> https://admin.fedoraproject.org/updates/FEDORA-2011-17170/ibus-pinyin-1.3.99.20110706-13.fc16 05:22:35 <juhp> hmm hard to bump version I guess 05:22:50 <epico_laptop> pardon? 05:23:17 <juhp> well just seems to deserve a version bump but guess we can't do that :) 05:23:58 <epico_laptop> sorry, the ibus-pinyin integration patch is not ready for libpinyin 0.4.91. 05:24:02 <epico_laptop> write in progress. 05:24:46 <juhp> ah ok sure 05:25:24 <juhp> I think upstream finally release 1.4 soon anyway... 05:25:27 <juhp> may 05:26:06 <epico_laptop> yes, ibus-pinyin 1.4.0 is released. 05:26:40 <pravins> juhp: we need fontconfig updates for Fedora 17 05:27:01 <juhp> .whoowns fontconfig 05:27:01 <zodbot> juhp: behdad 05:27:46 <tagoh> pravins: I guess there may be some actions shortly 05:27:52 <pravins> .orth file is not that much critical thing in fontconfig, even patching it should be fine if upstream taking time 05:28:08 <pravins> tagoh: thats nice to hear :) 05:29:09 <juhp> I was hoping someone else would take over maintainership of fedora fontconfig 05:31:28 <juhp> anyway 05:31:50 <juhp> pravins, anyway we should look at ways to get fedora fontconfig moving if possible 05:31:55 <juhp> yes 05:33:04 <juhp> #topic Input Methods 05:33:17 <juhp> fujiwarat, any news on ibus? 05:33:57 <juhp> or other input related news? 05:35:16 <anish_> english-typing-booster is in review 05:35:23 <fujiwarat> I'm still in the ibus xkb development phase. It seems libgnomekbd provides language names only but not layout names so probably ibus needs to access libxklavier directly. 05:35:23 <dueno> though kind of minor, libskk and integrated ibus-skk are now in rawhide 05:36:13 <juhp> great 05:36:30 <juhp> dueno, any affect on ibus-skk? :) 05:38:42 <dueno> it is now written in vala instead of python, so package deps are reduced 05:39:37 <juhp> okay 05:39:46 <juhp> dueno, I mean for users :) 05:40:25 <dueno> aha, there are some improvements in the setup UI 05:40:27 <juhp> vala is a good language 05:40:30 <juhp> aha 05:42:19 <juhp> #topic Fonts/Rendering 05:42:46 <juhp> oops missed some comments above 05:42:57 <juhp> anish_, nice 05:43:06 <juhp> fujiwarat, aha 05:43:07 <anish_> juhp, thanks 05:43:45 <juhp> fujiwarat, using libklavier sounds positive 05:44:06 <pravins> juhp: lots of request for Liberation and Lohit :) 05:44:22 <juhp> aha 05:45:30 <pravins> i think we should separate upstream and downstream little bit, i.e. only bugs related to Fedora should be in RH bugzilla 05:45:43 <pravins> and upstream should in respective project 05:46:12 <juhp> (ah ibus-pinyin-1.4 was already released!) 05:46:34 <juhp> pravins, agreed 05:46:43 <epico_laptop> :) 05:46:45 <juhp> pravins, how about using trac for upstream then? 05:47:35 <pravins> yes, good idea 05:48:14 <pravins> now from onward i will close bugs other than fedora as a upstream 05:49:16 <pravins> i found few bugs of liberation's hinting are regression 05:49:21 <pravins> .bug 768067 05:49:23 <zodbot> pravins: Bug 768067 [hinting] Lowercase U, V, W, X and Y too thin at 18px bold - https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=768067 05:49:40 <juhp> pravins, can you reproduce that? 05:50:25 <pravins> yes 05:50:31 <juhp> ok 05:50:50 <pravins> $ftstring -m abcdefghijklmnopqrstuvw ppem /usr/share/fonts/liberation/LiberationSans-Bold.ttf 05:50:50 <pravins> $ftstring -m abcdefghijklmnopqrstuvw ppem 200 05:50:50 <pravins> /usr/share/fonts/liberation/LiberationSans-Bold.ttf 05:51:26 <pravins> is has option to enable/disable glyph level hinting and autohiting 05:51:45 <juhp> aha 05:51:46 <pravins> .bug 463036 05:51:48 <zodbot> pravins: Bug 463036 LiberationSans-Bold 'u' and 'W' blurred in smaller sizes. - https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=463036 05:52:00 <juhp> hm 05:53:38 <pravins> need some research on this area 05:53:51 * pravins would like to learn how to write hinting instructions sometime 05:54:25 <juhp> okay 05:54:40 <juhp> #topic open 05:54:47 <juhp> anything else today? 05:57:37 <juhp> I guess this will be the last fedora i18n meeting this year 05:58:54 <juhp> okay thanks for the meeting today 05:59:00 <juhp> #endmeeting