20:01:34 <cwickert> #startmeeting EMEA Ambassadors 2011-11-16
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20:03:12 <cwickert> ping Affix, biertie, delhage, dmaphy, fcami, GeroldKa, gnokii, heffer, ixs, kital, sesivany, shaiton,  and everybody I forgot
20:03:16 <heffer> aha
20:03:16 <heffer> :D
20:03:25 * shaiton Kévin Raymond
20:03:30 <sesivany> .fas eischmann
20:03:31 <zodbot> sesivany: eischmann 'Jiri Eischmann' <eischmann@redhat.com>
20:03:45 <shaiton> cwickert, we should set a Pingall group :)
20:03:48 <shaiton> Hi all
20:03:49 <thunderbirdtr> :)
20:03:49 <cwickert> #meetingname EMEA Ambassadors 2011-11-16
20:03:49 <zodbot> The meeting name has been set to 'emea_ambassadors_2011-11-16'
20:03:56 <cwickert> #topic Role call
20:04:01 <cwickert> .fas cwickert
20:04:02 <zodbot> cwickert: cwickert 'Christoph Wickert' <christoph.wickert@googlemail.com>
20:04:02 <thunderbirdtr> hi all
20:04:45 * cwickert suggests to wait a little for more people
20:04:55 <heffer> .fas heffer
20:04:56 <zodbot> heffer: heffer 'Felix Kaechele' <felix@fetzig.org> - oaad 'oaad sheffer' <ohad.sheffer@gmail.com>
20:05:03 <heffer> oaad :D
20:06:13 <cwickert> ok, doesn't look as if there are more people coming
20:06:14 <jsmith> .fas jsmith
20:06:15 <zodbot> jsmith: jsmith 'Jared Smith' <jsmith.fedora@gmail.com> - mikejsmith11 'Mike J. Smith ' <mikejsmith11@gmail.com>
20:06:18 <cwickert> lets start
20:06:39 <cwickert> the agenda for this weeks meeting can be found at https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Meeting:EMEA_Ambassadors_2011-11-16
20:06:46 <GeroldKa> .fas geroldka
20:06:47 <zodbot> GeroldKa: geroldka 'Gerold Kassube' <gerold@lugd.org>
20:07:02 <cwickert> please make sure to follow the meeting protocol, which is available at https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/IRCHowTo#Protocol
20:07:03 <cwickert> thanks
20:07:16 <cwickert> #topic Announcements
20:07:38 <cwickert> I think jsmith wants to tell us something about the elections and the townhalls
20:07:53 <jsmith> Yes, elections are obviously coming up soon
20:08:08 <jsmith> Town hall meetings are scheduled, and the schedule is at https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Elections#IRC_Town_Halls
20:08:32 <cwickert> #info Town hall meetings are scheduled, and the schedule is at https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Elections#IRC_Town_Halls
20:08:46 <jsmith> Please participate if you're able, or at least follow the logs after the meeting to get to know the candidates and their positions better
20:09:00 <jsmith> Then vote!
20:09:02 <jsmith> eof
20:09:22 <cwickert> #info FAmSCo townhalls take place Saturday 2011-11-19 at 11:00 UTC and Tuesday 2011-11-22 at 02:00 UTC
20:09:31 <cwickert> #undo
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20:09:34 <cwickert> #info FAmSCo townhalls take place Saturday 2011-11-19 at 11:00 UTC and Tuesday 2011-11-22 at 01:00 UTC
20:10:26 <cwickert> #info Board townhalls are on Thursday 2011-11-17 at 23:00 UTC and Tuesday 2011-11-22 at 21:00 UTC
20:10:57 <cwickert> #info results from the candidates questionaire are available at https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/F17_elections_questionnaire
20:11:02 <cwickert> ok, I think that's all
20:11:09 <cwickert> at least for elections
20:11:14 <cwickert> any more announcements?
20:11:36 <ixs> A
20:11:48 <cwickert> ixs: ?
20:11:53 <ixs> ignore
20:11:55 <ixs> screen hung
20:11:57 <cwickert> your cat? ;)
20:12:20 <Affix> hi guys
20:12:21 <ixs> nah. just a flakey network connection here.
20:12:34 <cwickert> alright, lets move on
20:12:37 <cwickert> #topic Ambassadors Schedule
20:12:52 <cwickert> the schedule is at http://rbergero.fedorapeople.org/schedules/f-16/f-16-ambassadors-tasks.html
20:13:11 <cwickert> not much to do except
20:13:13 <cwickert> "Hold Release Events and Publish Event Reports"
20:13:20 <cwickert> which brings us to the next topic
20:13:28 <cwickert> #topic F16 Release Events
20:13:49 <cwickert> the EMEA events are listed at https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/F16_release_events#EMEA
20:14:00 <cwickert> any of you holding an event?
20:14:04 <cwickert> or already held one?
20:14:11 <sesivany> !
20:14:22 <cwickert> sesivany: yes please
20:14:30 <sesivany> I have an update on media if it's the right time to do it.
20:14:47 <cwickert> sure, they are needed for the events
20:14:55 <sesivany> ok...
20:15:53 <sesivany> they called me today that the print supplier got delayed and they got covers today, unfortunately tomorrow is a state holiday. However, they will try to complete it tomo and deliver it on Friday to our office.
20:16:36 <cwickert> I doubt you will be able to ship anything on Friday, right?
20:16:37 <sesivany> as I saw France needs it by Nov 24th, so if they cannot deliver it on Friday on time, I'll have them send it to France directly.
20:16:55 <sesivany> cwickert: if they deliver it by 2pm I can.
20:16:58 <shaiton> thanks sesivany :)
20:17:14 <sesivany> cwickert: Fedex accepts shipping till 3pm.
20:17:19 <cwickert> this is going to be tough but I am sure sesivany does his best
20:17:35 <cwickert> shaiton: and if we cannot make it, we cannot make it, sorry
20:17:44 <sesivany> if anyone else needs the media ASAP, let me know, I'll try to prioritize you.
20:17:50 <cwickert> compared to earlier years we are still good
20:17:54 <shaiton> !
20:17:59 <sesivany> eof
20:18:37 <cwickert> #info If you need media for a release event and it is really urgent, please file tickets in the EMEA swag tracker ASWP and directly assign them to "eichschmann"
20:18:48 <shaiton> I still have an other event the 3rd of December, one more time get media :)
20:18:54 <cwickert> shaiton: go ahead
20:19:00 <shaiton> (sorry ^^)
20:19:06 <shaiton> eof
20:19:19 <cwickert> ok, any other release events?
20:19:24 * cwickert looks at the list
20:19:58 <cwickert> looks like none of the event owners are here
20:20:07 <cwickert> so we move on with "normal" events
20:20:13 * shaiton is going at Linux 2 days party this weekend
20:20:20 <cwickert> s/normal/regular
20:20:23 <cwickert> #topic Events
20:20:45 <cwickert> last weekend we had OpenRheinRuhr and it was a big success
20:20:56 <cwickert> more visitors than last year
20:21:14 <cwickert> and we managed to spend all our remaining F15 media except for 10 pieces or so
20:21:49 <cwickert> #action cwickert and heffer to write event reports
20:21:55 <cwickert> heffer: don't forget ;)
20:21:59 <heffer> okay :)
20:22:02 <shaiton> nice!
20:22:15 <sesivany> !
20:22:59 * cwickert looks at the list of events at https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Events#FY12_Q3_.28October_2011_-_December_2011.29
20:23:24 <cwickert> rsc, delhage: anything on SCONS?
20:23:44 <cwickert> sesivany: go ahead while we are waiting
20:23:55 <sesivany> inuxAlt the last weekend, nice events, about 500 attendants, we managed to give out the rest of F15 media. I was really surprised how many Fedora users are in Brno. It's not like anywhere else, only Ubuntu.
20:24:16 <sesivany> probably because there is a big Red Hat office in Brno.
20:24:30 <cwickert> :)
20:24:39 <cwickert> Red Hat just needs to build more offices
20:24:58 <shaiton> :)
20:25:06 <jsmith> cwickert: We're trying :-)
20:25:21 <cwickert> AFAIK all event owners should have received swag and booth material for the next events
20:25:27 <sesivany> next event we're focusing on is the Developer Conference.
20:25:51 <cwickert> #info if you have an event please don't forget request stuff from https://fedorahosted.org/emea-swag-tracking/
20:26:15 <cwickert> ok, I think there is not much to do for events now
20:26:19 <cwickert> so we continue with
20:26:27 <cwickert> #topic  Action items from previous meetings
20:26:41 <cwickert> and this is something for sesivany as he was the only one with an action item
20:27:06 <cwickert> sesivany: what is the state of the swag tracker? all media requests on your radar?
20:27:14 <sesivany> yes
20:27:40 <sesivany> what about media for Germany, I think there is still no request from Germany.
20:28:22 <heffer> i think there's not much going on in germany event wise in the winter months
20:29:11 <sesivany> no problem, anytime you know you need any, just file a ticket, I'm ready :-)
20:29:40 <cwickert> sesivany: there are no events going on and I am about to move, so I don't want to order 3 more boxes I then have to carry
20:29:46 * delhage steps in
20:29:50 <delhage> sorry I'm late
20:29:59 <cwickert> delhage: so, how was FSCONS?
20:30:20 <delhage> cwickert: It was great
20:30:39 <cwickert> #action delhage and rsc to write event reports about FSCONS
20:30:45 <delhage> indeed
20:31:14 <cwickert> delhage: from a logistics POV, did you have everything you needed?
20:31:25 <delhage> it's a pretty small conference but we pushed some media (F15 DVDs and F16 USB-keys)
20:32:20 <delhage> cwickert: I did, but rsc brought most of the stuff
20:32:20 <delhage> I basically only had to show up, I came a day later due to work
20:32:20 <cwickert> ok, rsc also helped us out at OpenRheinRuhr by shipping some banners last minute
20:32:33 <delhage> hno and nordickiwi was also in the booth
20:32:53 <cwickert> #action cwickert to look through the swag tracker and close old tickets
20:33:07 <cwickert> ok, seems like there is nothing to discuss then
20:33:21 <cwickert> #topic Open floor
20:33:23 <fcami> cwickert: pong, very late, but I don't think I was the real target to your ping. ;)
20:33:52 <cwickert> fcami: you are french, right? but not an ambassador?
20:34:04 <fcami> right on both points
20:34:11 <shaiton> hey fcami :)
20:34:16 <cwickert> fcami: ok, unping :)
20:34:22 <fcami> shaiton ;)
20:34:22 <cwickert> all: whatever you want to tell us, now is the right time
20:35:00 <sesivany> I think I forgot to announce: we finished and announced a new Czech Fedora community portal on fedora.cz. It should help us build a community in the Czech and Slovak Republic.
20:35:22 <shaiton> congrat!
20:35:22 <cwickert> #info fedora.cz website is online
20:35:27 <sesivany> it's full of links to fpo.org if someone wants to go beyond a local community ;-)
20:36:06 <cwickert> #info if you want to have a local community domain, please read http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Local_community_domains and contact the board
20:36:19 <cwickert> ok, anything more?
20:36:30 <cwickert> F16 - does it suck or does it rock?
20:36:35 * cwickert ducks...
20:37:07 * shaiton is rocking!
20:37:26 <thunderbirdtr> rock !
20:37:28 <cwickert> ok, but people don't see overly impressed here ;)
20:37:36 <thunderbirdtr> !
20:37:36 <heffer> rock :)
20:37:48 <cwickert> I have the feeling all people are either lazy or busy atm
20:37:55 <cwickert> or just waiting for the next elections
20:38:04 <shaiton> they are probaly eating :)
20:38:08 <cwickert> but there is very little todo after the release
20:38:09 <jsmith> cwickert: IT ROCKS!
20:38:24 <cwickert> and we should use this time for some long term projects
20:38:29 <sesivany> I didn't boot into graphics after I upgraded :-) from what I heard there have been many problems with nouveau, radeon, GNOME Shell, and GDM. But otherwise it rocks as always ;-)
20:38:34 <heffer> cwickert: yeah, people are taking a break from all the release hassle :D
20:38:43 <cwickert> like getting the event calendar done
20:38:47 <heffer> and i for my part am taking a break from work :D
20:38:48 <shaiton> +1
20:38:54 <thunderbirdtr> And update problems also
20:38:57 <shaiton> +1 for cwickert I mean
20:39:09 <cwickert> heffer: ok, so we give our ambassadors a little break and let them care about their release events
20:39:27 <sesivany> cwickert: is LightDM going to get to Fedora 17?
20:39:30 <cwickert> but then we start with the real stuff that needs to be done for far too long already
20:39:32 <cwickert> and of course with F17
20:39:39 <cwickert> sesivany: if you fix it :)
20:39:55 <cwickert> sesivany: I am still having problems with PAM
20:40:13 <cwickert> ok, what long term projects can you think of?
20:40:16 <thunderbirdtr> cwickert, I read yum will change in F18 that can be earlier ?
20:40:27 <cwickert> thunderbirdtr: don't know
20:40:43 <cwickert> but this is not really on our plate
20:40:44 <shaiton> Anaconda is short term, right? :p
20:40:56 <cwickert> well, I am not sure
20:41:09 <cwickert> but I haven't heard of a feature yet
20:41:18 <shaiton> ok, we have plenty of time to organize a special Anaconda release party!n
20:41:30 <cwickert> so I am not sure it is targeted towards F17
20:41:36 <sesivany> shaiton: I saw a nice internal presentation on future of Anaconda. And it looks amazing!
20:41:43 <shaiton> :)
20:42:12 <cwickert> ok. for the ambassadors, what do you think we should do now that we have a little time to breeze?
20:42:21 <cwickert> 1. the events calendar
20:42:28 <cwickert> 2. improve swag handling
20:42:34 <cwickert> 3. more swag!
20:42:41 <shaiton> +1 for 3 :)
20:42:46 <cwickert> say, we build up a swag inventory
20:42:51 <thunderbirdtr> ++1 to for 3 :)
20:42:51 <shaiton> jsmith, if you hear me… ^^
20:43:04 <cwickert> vendors, prices, point of contact and all that
20:43:10 <cwickert> how does this sound?
20:43:19 <sesivany> cwickert: I'm always ready to make some swag ;-) We're going to have a lot done this month.
20:43:20 <heffer> good idea
20:43:29 <heffer> i always thought we needed more swag
20:43:47 <cwickert> sesivany: ok, then I'll just write "Swag inventory - sesivany has it all" :)
20:43:55 <cwickert> no, really
20:43:56 <heffer> comparing what we have to offer to what other projects offer on events leaves us losing that competition :)
20:44:17 <sesivany> cwickert: what about usb drives? are we gonna make some?
20:44:22 <cwickert> even though sesivany may do a lot of things, there will always be different people and different stuff
20:44:23 <shaiton> nice, we shlould start a wiki page 2012 swag quote contest!
20:44:43 <cwickert> sesivany: I am not the one to decide, I am not (yet) in FAmSCo, so I cannot decide on budget
20:44:57 <cwickert> this means we need to improve the workflow
20:45:10 <heffer> but the situation fluctuates from time to time. so i'd say we need a constant supply of swag
20:45:39 <heffer> and maybe keep our eyes open for some really nifty and exotic swag
20:45:43 <sesivany> cwickert: what I really miss is even artwork for swag. For example stickers, there is one set by nicu, but I was told it didn't follow logo guidelines any more.
20:45:48 <cwickert> heffer: well, last weekend was ok, we had media, pens, stickers and cheat cubes
20:46:30 <cwickert> I think we have enough different stickers, we just need to do some new case badges
20:46:41 <cwickert> heffer: what do you have in mind?
20:46:50 <cwickert> Fedora underwear?
20:46:57 <heffer> that'd be funny :)
20:47:15 <heffer> i haven't taken a look at what is being offered on the market
20:47:16 <cwickert> but not politically correct I'm afraid
20:47:29 * cwickert can already hear the "sexual harassment" alarm going off
20:47:35 <heffer> what can be politically incorrect about underwear?
20:47:47 <sesivany> cwickert: something like http://butik.root.cz/pro-muze/panske-boxerky ? :-)
20:48:07 <cwickert> yes
20:48:12 <sesivany> or http://butik.root.cz/pro-zeny/damska-tanga :D
20:48:22 <heffer> my girlfriend would love some Fedora Boxers to use as pyjama :)
20:48:52 <cwickert> but looking at the tanga I'm afraid somebody will call "harassment" or "sexism"
20:49:03 <cwickert> but I think we all got the idea
20:49:07 <heffer> yes :)
20:49:10 <cwickert> exotic things
20:49:16 <cwickert> like hot dog costumes :)
20:49:35 <thunderbirdtr> :=) Can be change "dog" term  ? :)
20:49:47 <cwickert> btw: we should already prepare for F17
20:49:59 <cwickert> how about makign hotdogs on the release events?
20:50:43 <cwickert> well, of course we need politically correct vegetatian hotdogs as well...
20:51:11 <heffer> fedora artwork calendar. A4 in size, 1000pc ~800€
20:51:26 <sesivany> cwikert: we already managed a hot dog producer to supply our F17 release party :-)
20:51:28 <heffer> with a competition for the nicest (maybe seasonal) artwork
20:52:03 <cwickert> heffer: calendar is actually a nice idea, but what to do with old calendars? we cannot re-use them next year
20:52:34 <heffer> right. so we actually need to make 2013 calenders for 2012 and make sure we get rid of all of them :)
20:52:45 <gnokii> damit
20:52:48 <cwickert> #action cwickert to call for a swag contest
20:52:52 <heffer> but that way we have something that lasts longer than maybe a sticker or something
20:53:06 <cwickert> #action cwickert to ask for more long term projects
20:53:07 <heffer> and is noticed at least once a month :D
20:53:23 <shaiton> what about stickers to stick above the Meta key?
20:53:26 <cwickert> what's wrong with the stickers?
20:53:36 <shaiton> like http://www.raspberrypi.com/keyboard-sticker/
20:53:41 <cwickert> shaiton: good idea
20:53:43 <sesivany> maybe towels?
20:53:55 <heffer> nothing wrong with the stickers. just trying to give a lame example ^^
20:54:45 <gnokii> .fas gnokii
20:54:46 <zodbot> gnokii: gnokii 'Sirko Kemter' <buergermeister@karl-tux-stadt.de>
20:55:29 <cwickert> sesivany: we already had some bathrobes: http://www.flickr.com/photos/fcrippa/2552712575/in/photostream/
20:55:35 <shaiton> or the key holder like http://atmoxphere.files.wordpress.com/2011/11/img_20111107_172720.jpg?w=455&h=606
20:56:07 <cwickert> http://www.flickr.com/photos/fcrippa/2553517762/in/photostream/
20:56:09 <shaiton> or some 4 foundations' bock beer!
20:56:24 <cwickert> ok, lets do all of this on the mailing list
20:56:29 <cwickert> or should we do it in the wiki?
20:56:40 <cwickert> I'm pretty sure we'll have plenty of ideas
20:57:02 <shaiton> cwickert, +1 for wiki
20:57:10 <thunderbirdtr> First change old record
20:57:11 <thunderbirdtr> ?
20:57:12 <sesivany> cwickert: what about Powered by Fedora stickers on laptops? that was really really popular. The ones you gave me early this year were very good.
20:57:14 <shaiton> plus a general mailing list call
20:57:36 * pingou imagines 4F coasters
20:57:37 <cwickert> sesivany: yes, we need to get a new batch of case badges
20:57:53 <cwickert> shaiton: ok, I'll do this
20:58:05 <shaiton> :)
20:58:11 <cwickert> more on swag?
20:58:48 <sesivany> shaiton: indeed, we need some Fedora beer since openSUSE has one :-) There is one local company that puts whatever label on bottles. But it won't be open-source beer ;-)
20:59:15 <cwickert> sesivany: no, we won't do proprietary beer
20:59:18 <gnokii> sesivany: we need a energy drink
20:59:24 <shaiton> sesivany, I can't make beer sorry ^^
20:59:31 <cwickert> gnokii: good idea
20:59:38 <shaiton> or some mustard
21:00:01 <cwickert> shaiton: but what about wine? you are from france, every frenchman is supposed to make wine
21:00:15 <cwickert> as all Germans and Czech are doing beer :)
21:00:24 <shaiton> :)
21:00:28 <thunderbirdtr> :)
21:00:39 <heffer> cwickert and i do it all the time
21:00:40 <cwickert> ok, more on anything else?
21:00:48 <gnokii> cwickert: debian has wine, ubuntu a cola, openSUSe a beer so fedora needs an energy drink
21:01:17 <shaiton> gnokii, that's not like we are sleeping
21:01:18 <shaiton> :p
21:01:33 * cwickert likes the idea of an energy drink
21:01:51 <gnokii> shaiton: no that is because fedora has power
21:01:51 <cwickert> but I'm afraid there are no opensource energy drink receipts
21:02:33 <cwickert> ok, we already have a lot of crazy ideas.... what would a contest look like?
21:02:56 <cwickert> I mean, would people really "win" something or is the price that their swag gets produced?
21:03:08 <sesivany> cwickert: it's not really difficult to make an energy drink, my friend studies chemistry and they made one at school, bottling nad labeling would be more difficult.
21:03:09 <shaiton> gets produced
21:03:47 <gnokii> sesivany: there is a company in austria they deliver such stuff with ur labeling
21:04:02 <cwickert> sesivany: we are not talking about the drugs your friends produce in their hidden laboratories ;)
21:04:10 <gnokii> :D
21:04:40 <cwickert> no Cocaine or alike please ;)
21:04:44 <thunderbirdtr> what drug for fedora drugs ? :)
21:04:50 <sesivany> cwickert: ow, you're talking about the casual energy drink, than ok :D
21:05:12 <gnokii> Coca(ine)-Cola
21:05:32 <cwickert> sesivany: yeah, not the white powder they put into your food in the RH offices to make you work faster...
21:05:46 <cwickert> ok, enough jokes I guess
21:06:07 <sesivany> cwickert: seriously, it's all about B-vitamins, caffeine, Taurin, sugar and some flavour, that's it.
21:06:22 <cwickert> Is there a vitamine F?
21:06:39 <gnokii> cwickert: does the guys on kolab tell u thats kokaine? its only dextrose :D
21:06:39 <cwickert> btw: vitamine F, that could also become a nice slogan
21:07:17 <cwickert> "Fedora - Vitamin F for your computer"
21:07:30 <sesivany> we should give away white pills as F vitamins at events :D
21:07:36 <thunderbirdtr> Nice idea cwickert :)
21:07:49 <cwickert> sesivany: no, blue pills, like in "the matrix"
21:07:59 <thunderbirdtr> But I think you should add "F+"
21:08:03 <sesivany> or Viagra? :-)
21:08:10 <cwickert> the blue pull that makes you wake up
21:08:20 <cwickert> Fiagra?
21:08:38 <cwickert> Fedogra?
21:08:57 <cwickert> not sure if Fedora legal likes this
21:09:17 <sesivany> there are not fun guys indeed
21:09:54 <shaiton> you could not reuse the Fedora TM
21:10:05 <cwickert> I'm afraid so
21:10:08 <shaiton> s/could/should
21:10:10 <shaiton> :)
21:10:27 <cwickert> so whatever we come up with, needs to have the sign-off from legal
21:11:00 <cwickert> ok, any other project you want to start now that we have some time?
21:11:55 * cwickert will end the meeting in 3 mins if nothing comes up
21:13:36 <cwickert> too bad, the meeting was so funny, I shouldn't have mentioned legal.
21:13:49 <shaiton> ;)
21:13:55 <cwickert> as soon as somebody speaks about lawyers, the party is over
21:13:58 <thunderbirdtr> ;)
21:14:11 <cwickert> ok, folks, I think that was it
21:14:23 <cwickert> we'll do the rest on ambassadors list and in the wiki
21:14:30 <cwickert> thanks everybody for coming
21:14:32 <cwickert> #endmeeting