13:17:54 <yn1v> #startmeeting famsco 11-11-12
13:17:54 <zodbot> Meeting started Sat Nov 12 13:17:54 2011 UTC.  The chair is yn1v. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.
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13:18:12 <yn1v> #topic roll call
13:18:19 <yn1v> .fas yn1v
13:18:20 <zodbot> yn1v: yn1v 'Neville A. Cross' <neville@taygon.com>
13:18:20 <igorps> .fas igorps
13:18:23 <zodbot> igorps: igor 'Igor Pires Soares' <igor@projetofedora.org>
13:18:41 <gbraad-china> .fas gbraad
13:18:42 <zodbot> gbraad-china: gbraad 'Gerard Braad (吉拉德)' <fedora@gbraad.nl>
13:19:11 <yn1v> shall we go along the agenda?
13:19:30 <kaio> .fasinfo kaio
13:19:31 <zodbot> kaio: User: kaio, Name: Caius Chance (かいお), email: me@kaio.net, Creation: 2008-09-10, IRC Nick: kaio, Timezone: Australia/Brisbane, Locale: en, Extension: 5114286, GPG key ID: 17BEFCFA, Status: active
13:19:35 <zodbot> kaio: Unapproved Groups: art
13:19:39 <zodbot> kaio: Approved Groups: cla_fedora cla_done fedorabugs hgflies packager cla_redhat ambassadors l10n-commits @packager-zh famsco cvsl10n freemedia
13:20:04 <kaio> (as .fas kaio has many me came up~
13:20:46 <yn1v> #agenda following agenda
13:20:51 <yn1v> gbraad, what's the status in the proposal for subdomain fc.o ?
13:21:13 <gbraad-china> kaio is the one answering this. at the moment still technical deatils
13:21:36 <gbraad-china> however, I was approached by a community member about the status of another domain
13:21:46 <yn1v> I saw a new request for domain in the mailing list
13:21:46 <igorps> is it at least moving forward?
13:22:09 <kaio> followed up, no responses yet, pinging infra after meeting
13:22:11 <igorps> gbraad-china, another domain for China?
13:22:14 <kaio> pls move forward
13:22:43 <kaio> 3 subdomains are pending, need to kick off w/ infra
13:22:56 <yn1v> #action kaio to ping infra about subdomain fc.o
13:23:02 <kaio> ++
13:24:00 <gbraad-china> igorps: not really. more an inquiry why the domain exists and who owns it.
13:24:05 <yn1v> next item is for igorps about liaisons, we saw it last meeting and we made suggestions.
13:24:20 <gbraad-china> igorps: I am also slightly confused, but I know many domain names exists in the Chinese community.
13:24:31 <gbraad-china> igorps: curious also about the legal status of these
13:25:07 <igorps> gbraad-china, is that something we should worry about?
13:25:55 <igorps> we need to make sure they follow the trademark guidelines
13:26:16 <igorps> yn1v, you can skip that topic
13:26:42 <igorps> I'll only finish that page after closing this month report
13:27:17 <yn1v> as practical approach what fedora would like is to have some prominent link to the fp.o web site and the ability to take over in case of problems like misconduct, abandon or hacked
13:27:26 <kaio> the subdomains from fedoracommunity.org is just for directing visitors from fc.o to chinese community
13:28:11 <kaio> just as the other domains currently chinese group have
13:28:35 <kaio> we are discussing about pointing them to fedora wiki
13:28:57 <kaio> (the "zh" directory page on fp wiki)
13:29:02 <yn1v> #info igorps will close monthly report
13:29:23 <igorps> the question is: can we have more than one domain per county in fedoracommunity.org?
13:29:39 <kaio> igorps, I guess not.
13:30:03 <kaio> igorps, as per the ans I received from jsmith the other day
13:30:18 <yn1v> I guess we can, but I can not think in which scenario that will be useful
13:30:28 <kaio> as alias may be yes
13:30:52 <igorps> it looks like not, indeed. So you guys need to take care to choose the more appropriated one
13:30:59 <kaio> anyth smaller than country-wise may be too micro-mgmt
13:31:13 <yn1v> +1
13:31:40 <kaio> against unity also
13:31:41 <igorps> IMHO it's good to have only one per country, so we avoid fragmentation
13:32:34 <gbraad-china> igorps: +1
13:32:43 <kaio> there is flexibility anyways
13:33:01 <kaio> no need to make that so rigid
13:33:07 <gbraad-china> kaio: micromgmt and politics... hk?
13:33:16 <kaio> gbraad, s/hk/tw.
13:33:17 * gbraad-china just wonders...
13:33:40 * gbraad-china didn't dare to go there even
13:33:55 <gbraad-china> I meant to say, HK is considered to be part of the CN domain.
13:34:05 <kaio> gbraad-china, for shopping you can. :P
13:34:13 <gbraad-china> but how about the linguistic aspect, traditional Chinese
13:34:25 <kaio> gbraad-china, the conclusion at the moment is:
13:34:51 <gbraad-china> hk might lead to micromanagement, but can aid in selection of targeted news
13:35:05 <kaio> cn.fc.o for China, zh.fc.o as CNAME of cn.fc.o, zht for anywhere using Chinese (Traditional).
13:35:14 <yn1v> well I think that's a great example where we need to deal with exceptions, but that is not the case for the most of the world
13:35:17 <gbraad-china> ok,
13:35:49 <kaio> which zht has no implications on anyth politically, which is the best solution IMHO
13:35:52 <gbraad-china> yn1v: I notice the way this is handled is different for the projeto fedora
13:35:59 <gbraad-china> kaio: +1
13:36:30 <igorps> maybe pointing them to the wiki as kaio suggested could solve this
13:37:05 <kaio> the 3 subdomains may point to a directory page on fp wiki, I personally prefer
13:37:24 <igorps> sounds good, kaio
13:37:41 <kaio> inquiring on the chinese list now, will finalize by next week
13:37:41 <gbraad-china> kaio: agree
13:37:59 <yn1v> yes, there is some infraestructure for latinamerica and some for Brazil... happened before I joined the project
13:38:07 <igorps> so we can have them aggregated in one place
13:38:15 <kaio> then we save resources and put them back on people and tech
13:39:00 <igorps> In LATAM we have one community domain per country
13:39:03 <yn1v> yes, I like that of 3 subdomaing pointing the same place
13:39:21 <igorps> in some countries are more than one community website
13:39:49 <igorps> but we point to the ones represented by Fedora Ambassadors
13:40:09 <kaio> we are pushing our comm channel from group forum, group blogs, group planet; to ask.fp.o, cloud microblog, and fp main planet.
13:41:11 <kaio> making the chinese group lean but powerful
13:41:31 <igorps> it looks like this is moving to a good direction
13:41:42 <kaio> "cloud age"
13:41:59 <yn1v> #chair kaio igorps gbraad yn1v
13:41:59 <zodbot> Current chairs: gbraad igorps kaio yn1v
13:42:32 <gbraad-china> ok, so next week more progress will follow. next topic?
13:42:34 <igorps> China is a big country with its specific characteristics we should deal with
13:42:57 <gbraad-china> igorps: we are dealing with it, however the issue also remains in getting contributors
13:43:07 <igorps> I think we should talk about the schedule a bit
13:43:07 <yn1v> If nobody has something else, I will suggest look for tickets
13:43:13 <gbraad-china> this figure remained stable (in almost all communities) for several years
13:43:24 <igorps> gbraad-china, +1
13:43:32 <kaio> ++ pls move on
13:43:54 <yn1v> igorps, go ahead
13:43:55 <kaio> thats good we have a few FADs this year
13:44:04 <igorps> I would like to suggest a public meeting before the end of this term
13:44:05 <yn1v> #topic schedule
13:44:09 <kaio> which has not happened before
13:44:44 <igorps> although all our meetings are public
13:44:46 <yn1v> I like the idea. Let call for public meeting
13:45:14 <igorps> but the idea is to answer questions about we have done this term and so on
13:45:42 <igorps> is next week good for you guys?
13:45:57 <kaio> ++
13:46:26 <yn1v> If everything goes as planned I will be travelling back from Costa Rica
13:47:05 <gbraad-china> igorps: +
13:47:08 <igorps> so, what about on the 26th
13:47:25 <gbraad-china> igorps: +
13:47:27 <yn1v> that will be fine with me
13:47:41 <igorps> yn1v, good!
13:48:14 <yn1v> who is gonna invite/announce ?
13:48:14 <kaio> ok
13:48:24 <igorps> yn1v, I can do that
13:48:56 <yn1v> #action igorps to announce next FAmSCo public meeting on 26th
13:49:12 <igorps> Another thing:
13:49:41 <igorps> It's time to push media and material requests on regional communities
13:50:16 <igorps> just a reminder for the regional meetings and mailing lists
13:50:26 <yn1v> good
13:50:42 <igorps> yn1v, I'm done. :)
13:50:48 <igorps> please move on
13:51:43 <yn1v> #idea remind about requesting materials in regional meetings
13:52:00 <gbraad-china> mether: welcome
13:52:04 <yn1v> shall we look at tickets?
13:52:26 <gbraad-china> mether: anything to add to our FAmSCo meeting?
13:53:08 <mether> I have a question.  does anyone when the bidding for next APAC FUDCon starts?  I would like to help out
13:53:52 <gbraad-china> mether: honestly do not know
13:54:01 <mether> thats alright.  just checking
13:54:25 <gbraad-china> at the moment more involved in smaller scale events for Fedora in China
13:54:37 <gbraad-china> getting ready for having a FUDCon
13:54:38 <kaio> I thought it was in SEPT, when I made the bid back then. :)
13:54:58 <yn1v> #link http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FUDCon_bid_process
13:54:59 <gbraad-china> kaio: I remember something about March.
13:55:04 <igorps> mether, congratulations for FUDCon Pune. It seemed to be a great event.
13:55:13 <gbraad-china> igorps: +1
13:55:17 <yn1v> suppose to be 12month before the fudcon
13:55:28 <mether> igorps, thanks. yes it has gone exceptionally well
13:55:30 <kaio> gbraad-china, ++ I hope it will happen in China, but if I am FAmSCo again I will analyse independently again...
13:55:54 <igorps> http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Premier_Fedora_events#Recurring_Premier_Fedora_Events
13:56:17 <igorps> FUDCon APAC is schedule to March 1st - May 31st
13:56:54 <igorps> I thought that the bid process was already opened
13:57:05 <kaio> hmm
13:57:06 <igorps> considering the dates
13:57:25 <yn1v> yes, there is an agreement to avoid having all the events close on dates
13:57:35 <kaio> should avoid peak season of apac air fares
13:58:17 <igorps> yes, there was a change in the FUDCon schedule
13:59:00 <igorps> please ping jsmith about that
13:59:11 <igorps> we have bids already:
13:59:12 <igorps> https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FUDCon:APAC_2012_Bid_Malaysia
13:59:13 <yn1v> I think if a region has a good proposal then, it can be negotiable to switch with another region. The idea is to spread events on the whole year
13:59:47 <igorps> http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FUDCon:Bid_for_Beijing_2012
14:00:58 <gbraad-china> igorps: someone just renamed the page?
14:02:15 <igorps> gbraad-china, it looks like they were updated from this year proposals
14:02:34 <gbraad-china> igorps: there is no official proposal from me and grace (RH Beijing)
14:02:48 <kaio> https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FUDCon:Bid_for_Beijing_2012
14:03:08 * kaio cloned and updated from 2011 wiki :P
14:04:04 <igorps> Now the mystery is solved :)
14:04:25 <gbraad-china> kaio: I see, but Grace, Harish and I have decided to focus on FAD events first
14:04:33 <kaio> there is always a wiki history avail
14:04:41 <gbraad-china> of course we can go for a big, but will likely result in a denial
14:05:02 * gbraad-china noticed the first commit was by an IP, the rest of the updates were kaio ;-)
14:05:14 <gbraad-china> s/big/bid
14:07:09 <yn1v> shall we move on ?
14:07:17 <igorps> this is something you guys need to discuss regionally in order to decide to move forward with the proposal or not
14:07:32 <igorps> yn1v, yes
14:07:45 <gbraad-china> igorps: +1
14:07:49 <gbraad-china> yn1v: +1
14:07:54 <yn1v> shall we look at tickets? or there is another topic?
14:08:09 <igorps> yn1v, although I'll not bug you with tickets this week
14:08:23 <igorps> nothing else from me
14:09:52 <yn1v> https://fedorahosted.org/famsco/ticket/226 is open... 225 is the same, but 226 has more info
14:10:26 <yn1v> need more info about when, and links
14:12:10 <yn1v> there is https://fedorahosted.org/famsco/ticket/229 requesting materilas for sri lanka
14:12:14 <igorps> Harish added a comment on 226 asking for more information
14:13:17 <yn1v> I wrote on 226 to post link to event page
14:14:46 <igorps> The amount for #229 is 420 USD?
14:15:17 <yn1v> I not sure how 229 is actionable.
14:15:29 <yn1v> It does not said currency.
14:15:57 <igorps> yep, needs more info as well
14:16:16 <gbraad-china> yn1v: incomplete information, ask for info, simple
14:17:18 <yn1v> done
14:18:04 <gbraad-china> anything more for this meeting?
14:18:08 <yn1v> https://fedorahosted.org/famsco/ticket/230
14:18:31 <yn1v> hanoi release party
14:18:39 <yn1v> seems good
14:19:30 <igorps> I'm not sure if those are USD too
14:19:32 <yn1v> I have personal interest in two tickets and as I am requesting I would like to somebody else to look at those
14:20:08 <igorps> yn1v, which ones?
14:20:36 <yn1v> https://fedorahosted.org/famsco/ticket/233
14:20:38 <yn1v> https://fedorahosted.org/famsco/ticket/234
14:21:31 * igorps is taking a look
14:22:39 <igorps> yn1v, no need to use PayPal this time?
14:22:53 <yn1v> I am avoiding using paypal at all cost
14:23:05 <igorps> yn1v, +1
14:23:23 <igorps> sounds reasonable to me
14:24:10 <igorps> since you can pay directly for them everything will be pretty straightforward
14:24:15 <igorps> +1
14:24:20 * jsmith joins the meeting late
14:24:51 <yn1v> kaio, gbraad objections?
14:25:13 <yn1v> jsmith, welcome!
14:26:06 <kaio> no objection
14:26:57 <igorps> yn1v, please move on with those and keep us updated :)
14:27:23 <yn1v> great.
14:27:27 <gbraad-china> no objections
14:27:46 <yn1v> https://fedorahosted.org/famsco/ticket/231 is overdue
14:29:09 <yn1v> sadly nothing to do with that :(
14:29:22 <yn1v> https://fedorahosted.org/famsco/ticket/232 it is a reimbursement, for some shipment... we should suggest to jsimon to proceed with this
14:29:35 <igorps> yn1v, +1
14:29:54 <igorps> Also look if reimbursement is possible by this time
14:31:55 <yn1v> I have commented on both tickets.
14:32:08 <yn1v> Anything else?
14:32:34 <yn1v> jsmith, who is election wrangler ?
14:32:42 <jsmith> yn1v: I am
14:32:59 <jsmith> yn1v: Unfortuanately, I've been out most of the last week due to travel, etc.
14:33:24 <yn1v> I will sending my answers to the questionnaire shortly
14:33:43 <igorps> Me too
14:33:57 <yn1v> anything else for this meeting ?
14:34:12 <igorps> nothing else from me, yn1v
14:34:20 <igorps> thanks for chairing
14:34:26 <jsmith> yn1v, igorps: Thanks... I'll be sending out a reminder email to those who may have forgotten to send their answers
14:35:24 <igorps> jsmith, thanks, we were only in doubt about who was the wrangler
14:35:39 <yn1v> I will end this meeting in one minute
14:36:34 <yn1v> end meeting in 30 secs
14:37:39 <yn1v> thanks mether, gbraad , kaio, igorps, jsmith for participating on the meeting
14:38:18 <yn1v> #endmeeting