18:00:29 <rbergeron> #startmeeting F16 Final Go or No Go Meeting Round Two
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18:00:35 <rbergeron> #meeting F16 Final Go or No Go Meeting
18:00:41 <rbergeron> #meetingname F16 Final Go or No Go Meeting
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18:00:47 <rbergeron> #topic Gathering Friends
18:00:48 <N1tr0g3n> oh at last
18:00:58 <rbergeron> Who's here
18:00:59 <N1tr0g3n> Have been waiting for round 2
18:01:01 * jsmith is here
18:01:05 * N1tr0g3n is here
18:01:12 * tflink is here
18:01:13 * nirik waves
18:01:24 <rbergeron> okay, i know adamw is on his way, let's get rolling.
18:01:27 <rbergeron> #topic Why are we here
18:01:32 * kparal1 lurks
18:01:35 <rbergeron> Just a refresher course, for those of you playing along at home:
18:01:49 <thedonvaughn> present (but late)
18:01:57 <rbergeron> #topic Purpose of this meeting is to determine if all the Release Criteria have been met, so we can ship this puppy out the door.
18:02:01 <rbergeron> NO
18:02:04 <rbergeron> #undo
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18:02:17 <rbergeron> #info Purpose of this meeting is to determine if all the Release Criteria have been met, so we can ship this puppy out the door.
18:02:33 <rbergeron> Luckily, there's a wiki page to help us along!
18:02:36 <rbergeron> https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Fedora_16_Final_Release_Criteria
18:02:47 <rbergeron> First order of business is checking in on our Best Friend, BLOCKER BUGS.
18:02:53 <rbergeron> #topic Blocker Bugs
18:03:03 <rbergeron> https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Current_Release_Blockers
18:03:35 <rbergeron> #info Look at his beady, majestic eyes.
18:03:56 <robatino> https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=750469 was just reopened
18:03:58 <tflink> unfortunately, one of the blockers was just re-opened
18:04:04 <nirik> sadly, there's some last minute checking on 750469
18:04:12 <adamw> yo
18:04:23 <adamw> yeah, up until about 15 minutes ago the blocker list was empty
18:04:25 <N1tr0g3n> hey
18:04:28 <rbergeron> Yeah.
18:04:30 <rbergeron> I know.
18:04:34 <adamw> good news is we think the case that caused the re-opening is crappy hardware
18:04:37 <rbergeron> BUT LOOK AT HIS MAJESTIC, BEADY EYES.
18:04:41 <rbergeron> #chair adamw tflink
18:04:41 <zodbot> Current chairs: adamw rbergeron tflink
18:04:49 <nirik> the mustard indicates progress.
18:04:53 <adamw> lexar are apparently screwing with the fs labels on their USB sticks.
18:04:59 <rbergeron> adamw: want to run the discussion on that bug real quicklike
18:05:01 <thedonvaughn> orly?
18:05:09 <adamw> yeah.
18:05:22 <adamw> <ssieb> so what exactly is the issue with this one?
18:05:23 <adamw> <dlehman> it's not letting the filesystem creation tool set a label for the filesystem, and is instead providing it's own canned advertisement when asked for the label
18:06:08 <rbergeron> really?
18:06:08 <rbergeron> lol
18:06:17 <nirik> wow.
18:06:31 <nirik> crazy-things-hardware-does++
18:06:49 <rbergeron> are we *positive*?
18:06:58 <rbergeron> Can we get people to test superfast to confirm?
18:08:15 * rbergeron looks around
18:08:39 <adamw> well, poop on a fucking stick
18:08:52 <adamw> it has just occurred to us that perhaps the label on live sticks only gets reset if you use --format
18:09:24 <red_alert> that would at least make for a valid workaround
18:10:07 <adamw> someone pipe some muzak
18:10:08 * rbergeron looks at the word workaround and wonders if it's commonbugsable, or not so much.
18:10:14 <rbergeron> christ.
18:10:28 * adamw goes testing
18:11:25 <nirik> so the case affected is using the install or net iso image and livecd-iso-to-disk right?
18:11:46 * nirik suspects many people don't know it can even handle those.
18:15:45 <rbergeron> So, i suppose in the meantime, we can take a look at other things
18:16:13 <adamw> more muzak!
18:16:28 <adamw> nirik: well, we do go around telling people to use it quite a lot.
18:16:31 <thedonvaughn> ah.  so the anaconda fix just filters on LIVE.  if no --format is used with livccd-iso-to-disk, it's not labeled as LIVE.
18:16:35 <tflink> nirik: I think that l-i-t-d is mentioned in the install docs
18:16:46 <adamw> nirik: yes, the affected case right now is using l-i-t-d with the trad installer iso and not passing --format
18:16:56 * rbergeron watches the fun
18:17:34 <N1tr0g3n> rbergeron remember the Wifi issue with anaconda we talked about yesterday?
18:17:42 <tflink> https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/Fedora/15/html/Installation_Guide/Making_USB_Media-UNIX_Linux.html
18:17:53 <thedonvaughn> wonder how difficult it'd be to have anaconda just filter on /dev/disk/by-id/usb-* . probably difficult since since the installer uses the devname (e.g. sdb).  either way, that'd cause a slip ;/
18:18:16 <N1tr0g3n> no, not again, please
18:18:29 <thedonvaughn> N1tr0g3n: wifi issue is fixed
18:18:37 * thedonvaughn doesn't mean to jump the gun
18:18:47 <adamw> thedonvaughn: then you can't install to a usb disk any more.
18:18:52 <adamw> and people do do that.
18:18:58 <N1tr0g3n> I heard it was marked as NTH
18:19:02 <thedonvaughn> adamw: details details
18:19:21 <adamw> bcl: is here to provide us with his professional awesomeness
18:19:23 * bcl waves reluctantly
18:19:27 <adamw> okay, so to recap and make sure we're right here:
18:19:29 * nirik is frankly ok with making this common bug/documenting and driving on... but I might be in the minority.
18:19:38 * rbergeron nods
18:19:58 <adamw> if you use livecd-iso-to-disk without --format to write an f16 trad install image, then upgrade f15 with it, you hit that bug we thought we'd fixed where it wants to install the bootloader to the usb stick and you can't persuade it otherwise
18:20:00 <thedonvaughn> nirik: I am too honestly.  As long as we note to use --format, and WHY you must use --format when upgrading, i don't see an issue.
18:20:15 <adamw> well, we can probably do better than that
18:20:36 <adamw> so we figure we can probably just fix livecd-iso-to-disk in all extant releases to enforce an mklabel when not formatting
18:20:37 <adamw> right, bcl?
18:20:38 <nirik> we could also in theory push a f14/f15 update with better behavior before release?
18:20:47 <bcl> we can start using dosfslabel even when not formatting.
18:20:47 <rbergeron> nirik: yeah, that's what I'm thinking
18:20:57 <adamw> well, not mklabel. whatever the damn syntax is.
18:21:07 <rbergeron> because ... it seems that if you're upgrading, you're probably doing it post-release, and probably from f14/f15
18:21:11 <thedonvaughn> bcl: ah just do the label by default?
18:21:17 <bcl> yes
18:21:34 <bcl> just need enough karma to get the updates out. which is sometimes a problem with f14
18:21:41 <nirik> of course they could still have an old version, but that closes the window a bit more.
18:21:42 <adamw> oh, it won't be a problem
18:21:45 <adamw> *flexes knuckles*
18:21:49 <dlehman> maybe you can put a "about to relabel your fs. hit enter to continue or ^C to go to best buy."
18:21:50 <bcl> lol
18:21:56 <adamw> nirik: yeah. that closes it enough for me to be happy
18:21:58 <adamw> dlehman: heh
18:22:22 * nirik nods. Seems very sane to me.
18:22:24 <thedonvaughn> and... what if the usb isn't vfat? :(
18:22:29 * dlehman still has an f14 system
18:22:35 <adamw> thedonvaughn: why would that be a problem?
18:22:38 <adamw> we can still relabel it.
18:22:44 <dlehman> we can use e2label instead
18:22:46 <bcl> right.
18:22:46 <N1tr0g3n> dlehman why so old?
18:22:56 <dlehman> sheer laziness
18:23:02 <thedonvaughn> aye, just checking.  I just heard dosfslabel
18:23:03 <adamw> right answer, that man
18:23:05 <bcl> if it ain't broke..
18:23:07 <thedonvaughn> correct e2label
18:23:10 * nirik has a f14 test box too.
18:23:12 <tflink> I have one too, waiting for a F16 fix to upgrade
18:23:16 <dlehman> atm I have one each: 14, 15, 16
18:23:16 <adamw> okay, so
18:23:40 <adamw> we can either accept this as one of those 'blockers' which just needs to be fixed with an update by release time
18:23:43 <thedonvaughn> i have all boxes, i just need to take my lazy ass to bestbuy and get a usb stick :)
18:23:48 <adamw> or we can reject it and just remember to fix it
18:24:00 <rbergeron> adamw: a NTH blocker?
18:24:08 <adamw> but are we all agreed we don't need to cause me to lose any more damn sleep over f16? to put it entirely disinterestedly
18:24:08 <N1tr0g3n> adamw So F16 CAN be released with this one?
18:24:09 <bcl> I'll have something to test with today.
18:24:15 <adamw> N1tr0g3n: that's what we're thinking.
18:24:20 * nirik doesn't care what the bookeeping is. I think thats a fine course of action, +1.
18:24:43 <adamw> it would be rather hard to _do_ anything about it in anaconda anyway, i think
18:24:47 <rbergeron> okay, so, we're cool on blockers?
18:24:52 <rbergeron> Back to Miraculous?
18:24:53 <adamw> unless we could resurrect dlehman's initial plan for filtering the usb backing device
18:24:55 <jsmith> That's the only outstanding one?
18:25:04 <adamw> unless some fucker opened another in the last 15 minutes, yes
18:25:07 * jsmith just wants to make sure
18:25:08 <rbergeron> jsmith: not unless you did something
18:25:08 <red_alert> +1 on more sleep for adamw :)
18:25:17 <jsmith> Then I'm all for +1 on the proposal :-)
18:25:18 <rbergeron> no shit.
18:25:30 <rbergeron> #topic Test Matrices and etc.
18:25:41 <rbergeron> adamw or tflink: can you run us through how this looks atm?
18:25:43 <adamw> #agreed 750469 needs to be fixed but does not need to delay f16 release; we can fix by updating l-i-t-d in all extant releases (14, 15)
18:25:51 <adamw> looks very good, to put it simply
18:25:55 <thedonvaughn> !
18:25:58 <adamw> absolutely all tests are covered and pass or warn
18:26:13 <rbergeron> #info absolutely all tests are covered and pass or warn
18:26:28 <adamw> some desktop tests are inherited from rc4, which is fine because there were no changes between rc4 and rc5 which would affect those tests
18:26:28 <rbergeron> Exciting. Okay.
18:26:32 <adamw> the only change was anaconda
18:26:43 <adamw> no critical results are inherited from anything older (only non-blocking desktop)
18:27:36 * rbergeron nods
18:27:52 <jsmith> thedonvaughn: You had a question?
18:28:19 <thedonvaughn> jsmith: no the '!' was just excitement
18:28:33 <jsmith> Ah, gotcha -- just making sure :-)
18:28:44 <thedonvaughn> thx :)
18:28:59 <rbergeron> okay. Soo, next up is....
18:29:03 <rbergeron> #topic Release Engineering
18:29:06 <rbergeron> dgilmore: you here?
18:29:28 <nirik> afaik, all is looking ok from that end... everything is composed and ready.
18:30:13 <rbergeron> UGH, have i mentioned how much i do not like the new gmail interface
18:30:29 <rbergeron> has dennis posted rc5 images to EC2?
18:30:32 <rbergeron> I ahven't seen anything about that.
18:30:42 <rbergeron> We should, so everything is the same.
18:30:44 <rbergeron> I'll ping him about it.
18:30:44 <tflink> rbergeron: nothing EC2 related changed, so no new AMIs
18:31:00 <jsmith> I was gonna say that :-)
18:31:09 <tflink> https://fedorahosted.org/rel-eng/ticket/4967#comment:17
18:31:12 <rbergeron> tflink: well, he's done it for RC4, etc?
18:31:21 <thedonvaughn> it was released for RC4
18:31:24 <tflink> yeah, the last AMIs were for RC4
18:31:53 <rbergeron> .... okay
18:32:15 * rbergeron wonders if that puts us in a situation ever where "things are slightly different" but if y'all are kosher with it, that's fine, and if it bites us, I guess we'll know in the future, eh?
18:32:32 <nirik> anaconda should not matter for the ec2 images...
18:32:38 <nirik> do the rc4 ones should be fine.
18:32:45 <tflink> the build process doesn't even use anaconda
18:32:50 * nirik nods.
18:33:04 <adamw> if the ec2 images don't have anaconda on them, rc4 is indetical.
18:33:04 <rbergeron> i know, but we generally say, "if a gnome-only thing is fixed, we still respin kde", so I'm just ... making sure everyone's clear here
18:33:50 <adamw> yeah, it's fine
18:34:00 <rbergeron> as i said: if you all are fine, then that's fine, and I guess things like checksums don't really apply here?
18:34:19 <adamw> oh, btw, fwiw, i checked over the dvd image this morning and made sure every build we listed in any of the rc compose requests was on it, and they all are. so we didn't manage to drop any blocker fixes.
18:34:33 <rbergeron> adamw: thank you
18:35:01 <rbergeron> #topic Anything else before we Set Sail?
18:35:04 <rbergeron> Am I missing anything?
18:35:10 <rbergeron> Commonbugs are all filed?
18:35:29 <adamw> mostly
18:35:36 <adamw> i'll double-back over that crap by next week
18:35:46 <adamw> check all the nth bugs and see any should be added etc
18:35:56 <adamw> doesn't block the release, anyway
18:36:27 <rbergeron> okay.
18:36:39 * rbergeron scratches her head, things are fuzzy this morning
18:36:49 <rbergeron> #topic To Go, or Not To Go?
18:36:59 <rbergeron> Okay, I'm +1 for saying ship-it.
18:37:02 <thedonvaughn> go! +1
18:37:27 <nirik> go go gadget f16.
18:37:29 <jsmith> FPL is a go!
18:37:43 <adamw> qa is +1 ship, by our standards - https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Go_No_Go_Meeting
18:37:53 <adamw> no outstanding blockers, test matrix is complete
18:38:19 <rbergeron> AND ONCE WE SAY YES IT CANNOT BE RETRACTED ;)
18:38:25 <rbergeron> okay. then:
18:38:51 <rbergeron> #info F16 is declared GOLD! Ship it.
18:38:59 <thedonvaughn> (or atleast silver)
18:38:59 <rbergeron> in fact
18:39:00 * thedonvaughn ducks
18:39:04 <rbergeron> #agreed F16 is declared GOLD! Ship it.
18:39:06 <rbergeron> :)
18:39:06 <nirik> hurray.
18:39:08 <thedonvaughn> huzzah!
18:39:27 <hno_> \o/
18:39:29 * kparal1 opens up the champagne and wishes a long undisturbed sleep to adamw
18:39:31 * jsmith cheers!
18:39:34 <rbergeron> #info Thanks to EVERYONE for your sleepless nights, your hard work, your bug fixing.
18:39:43 * thedonvaughn dcc's adamw a beer and an ambein
18:39:45 <rbergeron> #info And endless testing, and endless building.
18:39:49 * jsmith couldn't agree more
18:39:50 <thedonvaughn> ambien too
18:40:04 <rbergeron> #info There is a readiness meeting in ~20 minutes here in #fedora-meeting.
18:40:22 <rbergeron> #info rbergeron will send out a GOLDEN GOLD MAIL to mailing lists.
18:40:28 <nirik> rbergeron: you mean in #fedora-meeting-1 ? fedora infra weekly meeting is here in 20min. ;)
18:40:39 <rbergeron> #info in #fedora-meeting-1.
18:40:42 <rbergeron> Really?
18:40:49 <rbergeron> did I write that in the mail?
18:40:56 <rbergeron> at least?
18:41:01 <rbergeron> :)
18:41:13 <thedonvaughn> rbergeron: i also agree with you on google's new interface
18:41:20 <thedonvaughn> :)
18:41:27 <rbergeron> #info Grats to everyone on shipping yet another INCREDIBLY feature-filled release.
18:41:43 <rbergeron> See some of you in 20 minutes.
18:41:48 <rbergeron> adamw, tflink: GO SLEEP
18:41:56 <rbergeron> Order yourself a pizza and bottle of $whatever and send me the bill
18:42:07 <adamw> thedonvaughn: i'm really not gonna need the ambien. =)
18:42:08 <rbergeron> $whatever to not include alcohol over $100
18:42:12 <rbergeron> :)
18:42:18 <rbergeron> #endmeeting