13:01:03 <Sparks> #startmeeting Docs Project Meeting - Agenda: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Docs_Project_meetings
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13:01:06 <Sparks> #meetingname Fedora Docs
13:01:06 <zodbot> The meeting name has been set to 'fedora_docs'
13:01:18 <Sparks> #topic Roll Call
13:01:35 * jhradilek is here.
13:01:37 * Sparks 
13:01:41 * jjmcd 
13:01:58 * fnadge is here
13:02:00 <shaiton_> HI there, Kevin Raymond is looking around
13:02:03 <pkovar> hi!
13:03:34 <pkovar> shaiton: hey, great to have you here
13:03:58 <shaiton_> :)
13:04:46 <Sparks> Well, wonders never cease
13:05:43 <Sparks> Okay, lets get started.
13:06:11 * Sparks isn't going to follow up on last week's action items as he doesn't know what they are.
13:06:17 <Sparks> #topic F16 Schedule
13:06:27 <Sparks> #link http://rbergero.fedorapeople.org/schedules/f-16/f-16-docs-tree-tasks.html
13:06:33 <jjmcd> Sparks, minutes were posted
13:06:39 <pkovar> Sparks: http://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting/2011-10-10/fedora-meeting.2011-10-10-13.03.html
13:06:48 <jjmcd> Most actions items done except yours we dont know
13:07:23 <Sparks> jjmcd: The wiki wasn't updated
13:07:33 <jjmcd> no it wasn't
13:07:46 <Sparks> Okay, we'll come back to that
13:08:21 <Sparks> #info Doesn't appear that we have any scheduled items for the F16 release this week.
13:08:29 <Sparks> Anyone have any questions?
13:09:31 <Sparks> #topic Last week's action items
13:09:40 <Sparks> #action Sparks to send a message to the Docs list discussing the QA discussion at OLF
13:09:49 <Sparks> #action Sparks to work on the Docs QA wiki page to start with goals, then process, then tools
13:09:52 <jjmcd> hmmm, kinda stale
13:10:04 <jjmcd> i mean olf
13:10:15 <Sparks> stale and yet still needs to be done.  :/
13:10:18 <Sparks> jjmcd: Prepare GA Release Notes
13:10:24 <jjmcd> done
13:10:33 <jjmcd> Tho I will prolly do one more
13:10:37 <Sparks> #action  zoglesby to send message to list about a qa day for docs validation
13:10:47 <Sparks> jjmcd: correct Overview section
13:10:51 <jjmcd> done
13:11:14 <Sparks> pkovar: look into language code mapping
13:11:31 <jjmcd> I think we got that straightened out
13:11:41 <jjmcd> problem turned out to be tx version
13:11:46 <Sparks> jjmcd: post link to list on F16 release note RPM on Bodhi
13:11:50 <pkovar> jjmcd: so are rn now using proper lang codes?
13:11:53 <jjmcd> done
13:11:56 <jjmcd> correctr
13:12:02 <pkovar> great!
13:12:06 <Sparks> jjmcd: track down status of Installation Guide
13:12:13 <jjmcd> Not done
13:12:17 <pkovar> shaiton_ ^ :-)
13:12:23 <Sparks> #action jjmcd to track down status of Installation Guide
13:12:47 <Sparks> Okay, that's all from there.
13:12:54 <Sparks> #topic FUDcon Blacksburg
13:13:01 <Sparks> #link http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FUDCon:Blacksburg_2012
13:13:08 <Sparks> #info Docs is sponsoring two classes at FUDCon Blacksburg: Introduction to Docs and DocBookXML/Publican
13:13:22 <Sparks> Anyone have any questions on FUDcon Blacksburg?
13:13:33 <jjmcd> Who was it doing each session?
13:13:45 <jjmcd> I recall jsmith-away and someone else on Publican
13:13:51 <jjmcd> don't recall Docs
13:14:02 <Sparks> I *think* I'm doing the intro and you and jsmith-away are donig the Publican
13:14:14 <Sparks> s/donig/doing
13:14:16 <jjmcd> OK, I'm good with that
13:14:35 <jjmcd> the Milan pres went well, whether jsmith-away can do as well as jhradilek remains to be seen
13:14:47 <Sparks> I guess we'll see
13:14:53 <jjmcd> I suspect he will!
13:15:03 <Sparks> Okay, anything else?
13:15:37 <Sparks> #topic Guide Status
13:15:50 <Sparks> Anyone have anything guide-related they want to talk about?
13:16:53 <Sparks> Anyone?  No one?
13:17:02 <jjmcd> What about IG?
13:17:09 <jjmcd> Is shaiton_ the guy on that?
13:17:23 * Sparks doesn't know.
13:17:27 <shaiton_> jjmcd, not me,
13:17:37 <jjmcd> Seems like there was concern about systemd
13:17:51 <pkovar> the guide table says  ke4qqq, rudi
13:18:12 <jjmcd> OK, perhaps I should poke rudi some evening
13:19:19 <pkovar> as for the packager's guide, i', working on a spec file reference chapter now
13:20:18 <pkovar> will publish a draft as soon as the basic chapter is there
13:22:02 <Sparks> Oh, I'm planning on adding an additional section to the docs.fp.o website for CSI (Community Services Infrastructure) documentation.
13:22:42 <Sparks> This is being developed from within the Infrastructure team but, in my opinion, deserves a good home.
13:23:48 <pkovar> Sparks: that documentation was converted from fedora wiki?
13:24:01 <Sparks> pkovar: I don't think so.
13:24:17 <pkovar> ok
13:24:37 <Sparks> Anything/anyone else?
13:25:08 <Sparks> #topic Outstanding BZ Tickets
13:25:17 <Sparks> #link http://tinyurl.com/lbrq84
13:25:38 <Sparks> Everyone should be going through their tickets to make sure they patch any problems that people have seen.
13:25:46 * jjmcd whacked quite a few last week.
13:25:51 <Sparks> +1
13:25:59 <Sparks> #topic Open floor discussion
13:26:00 <jjmcd> Still a few f14/15 left there
13:26:08 <Sparks> Okay, anyone have anything else?
13:26:51 <pkovar> anybody wants to step in and continue working on nathant's guide?
13:27:11 <Sparks> pkovar: What is Nathant's guide?
13:27:13 <pkovar> AFAIK it's officially unmaintained now
13:27:24 <pkovar> the live i,ages guide
13:27:29 <pkovar> *images
13:27:39 <pkovar> see https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Docs_Project_guides_table
13:28:12 <jjmcd> Someone came on channel the other day with a live images issue, left before I could ask him to file a bug
13:28:29 <pkovar> hrmm, too bad
13:28:31 <jjmcd> We have 3 or 4 new folks, perhaps one of them
13:29:07 <pkovar> ok, if they are around, let's talk to them
13:29:10 <jjmcd> LI is a good simple guide to get started on
13:29:20 <pkovar> yep, exactly
13:29:56 * shaiton_ is not one of them :)
13:30:23 <jjmcd> LoKoMurdoK, is on channel, prolly idling
13:30:41 <Sparks> Someone should take this to the list.
13:31:23 <jjmcd> At least 2 of the new folks were from Panama, so prolly at work right now
13:31:55 * LoKoMurdoK here
13:32:06 <jjmcd> hey a victim
13:32:09 * LoKoMurdoK late
13:32:09 * LoKoMurdoK sorry
13:32:15 <LoKoMurdoK> :o
13:32:42 <jjmcd> We were wondering whether you or potty_ were willing to take on the Live Image guide
13:32:54 <jjmcd> It is a small guide and in need of someone to look over it
13:33:07 <LoKoMurdoK> excellente
13:33:15 <LoKoMurdoK> ok
13:33:31 <jjmcd> good deal, Sparks you have a maintainer
13:33:32 <pkovar> LoKoMurdoK: some instructions for contributing are here: https://fedorahosted.org/readme-live-image/
13:33:41 <LoKoMurdoK> I can work this guide
13:33:48 <jjmcd> LoKoMurdoK, Sparks or myself will be happy to help you get going
13:34:19 <LoKoMurdoK> jjmcd: ok
13:34:47 <jjmcd> LoKoMurdoK has Docs, I think may need Docs-Writers
13:35:56 <LoKoMurdoK> jjmcd: ok
13:38:44 * LoKoMurdoK git clone....
13:39:08 <Sparks> Okay, anyone have anything else?
13:39:23 * bcotton is just saying something so there's a record he was here
13:39:31 * LoKoMurdoK if I have any questions I comment
13:40:08 <Sparks> bcotton: We wouldn't believe it otherwise
13:40:22 <Sparks> LoKoMurdoK: That's what the list is for!  :)
13:40:31 <Sparks> Okay, anyone else?
13:41:06 <shaiton_> !
13:41:13 <Sparks> shaiton_: Yes
13:41:16 <shaiton_> QEMU is written in CAPS
13:41:24 <shaiton_> qemu is the tool…
13:41:31 <shaiton_> RN are wrong…
13:41:45 <jjmcd> shaiton_, bug, please
13:41:47 * shaiton_ don't want to bother all translators for that…
13:42:17 <Sparks> It actually is QEMU
13:42:44 <Sparks> All uppercase, I mean.
13:42:54 <shaiton_> Sparks, yes, but not in the xml
13:43:01 <Sparks> Oh
13:43:16 <shaiton_> Virtualization.xml
13:43:28 <shaiton_> 3 times ;)
13:43:40 <Sparks> Yeah, anything like that needs to have a bug opened.
13:43:50 <shaiton_> ok, if you want I will create the tickt
13:43:59 <jjmcd> package is lowercase, however
13:44:05 <shaiton_> jjmcd, yes
13:44:13 <Sparks> shaiton_: It didn't happen if there isn't a bug on it.
13:44:19 <jjmcd> shaiton_, yes, bugs are the best
13:44:35 <shaiton_> I've seen that this morning
13:44:45 <pkovar> i guess just pinging the maintainer works too ;-)
13:45:07 <pkovar> for these kinds of small issues
13:45:08 <jjmcd> pkovar, problem is if he is tied up on other stuff it can get dropped
13:45:24 <jjmcd> If it's in BZ then it is on the to-do list
13:45:27 <pkovar> jjmcd: yeah, agreed
13:45:38 <Sparks> pkovar: Not really.
13:45:49 <jjmcd> Plus it gives the maintainer a warm fuzzy when he closes the bug
13:46:02 <Sparks> pkovar: Things haven't happened unless they are on the list or in a bug.
13:46:38 <pkovar> depends, i'd say things happened if people are aware of them
13:47:06 <pkovar> some might not prefer the bureaucracy arounf bugzilla
13:47:25 <pkovar> but anyway, just saying
13:48:54 <Sparks> pkovar: IRC isn't as public as we'd like.  So in order to keep things transparent we need to do things on BZ and the list.  BZ keeps a record of all issues so everyone can go there to see what happening with a particular problem.  Can't do that with IRC, IRL,...
13:49:13 <Sparks> Okay, anything else?
13:49:22 <shaiton_> pkovar, for a translator, reporting on the doc chan is easy, finding the doc maintainer is not
13:49:48 <pkovar> that's why i said pinging :-)
13:50:34 * shaiton_ was fighting with BZ…
13:51:26 <Sparks> Okay, if no one has anything else we'll go ahead and close the meeting.
13:51:31 <Sparks> Everyone have a good day.
13:51:34 <Sparks> #endmeeting