13:18:24 #startmeeting FAMSCO 13:18:24 Meeting started Sat Oct 15 13:18:24 2011 UTC. The chair is yn1v. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 13:18:24 Useful Commands: #action #agreed #halp #info #idea #link #topic. 13:18:26 I start to follow 13:18:35 I try to follow 13:19:02 * tatica would apreciate if we can go with fudcon first in case I need to run out :\ 13:19:05 #topic roll call 13:19:09 morning yn1v gbraad 13:19:17 .fas igorps 13:19:17 igorps: igor 'Igor Pires Soares' 13:19:18 .fad gbraad 13:19:25 .fas gbraad 13:19:25 gbraad: gbraad 'Gerard Braad (吉拉德)' 13:19:41 * gbraad experiences a terrible lag 13:19:58 #chair gbraad igorps yn1v 13:19:58 Current chairs: gbraad igorps yn1v 13:20:05 .fas yn1v 13:20:05 yn1v: yn1v 'Neville A. Cross' 13:20:54 do anybody has problem with tatica request? 13:21:17 Not at all 13:21:22 ok 13:21:37 thank you :) 13:22:10 This probably will take a good part of our time 13:22:18 so let's do it first 13:22:20 #topic fudcon latam 2012 comments 13:22:39 #link http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FUDCon:Bid_for_Venezuela_2012 13:22:54 #link http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FUDCon:Bid_for_Peru_2012 13:23:41 where do we start? 13:24:44 We can comment each bid and compare them after that 13:24:52 just a suggestion 13:25:00 I like that 13:25:35 do we start with Isla Margarita? 13:26:04 +1 13:26:24 That would be the first FUDCond held in a island? 13:26:44 afaik, yes 13:26:54 (sorry, should I use protocol?) 13:27:19 tatica, no we are just a few 13:27:28 I think we can talk/write freely, as we are a few 13:27:47 oka 13:28:09 I read the last meeting and I should be updating next week the international flights 13:28:27 I think that Isla Margarita bid has a very broad description 13:28:39 tatica, how long is the flight from Caracas to the island? 13:28:51 less than 30min, is a quick flight 13:29:07 there are other ways to get to the island, like plan B 13:29:14 has cover almost everything, but I feel has left out cons 13:29:29 there is a Ferry that leaves from a nearby city 13:29:41 yn1v, true 13:29:44 we can swim ;-) 13:29:57 jejeje 13:30:44 tatica, no visa is necessary for every nationality? 13:31:19 no that I know, but like Richzendy work some years on that governamental section I can ask him in about 1 hour and add it to the wiki 13:31:26 I once participate in a international convention that was held in a resort, attendance from local people was low due the fact that was a view as expensive for been in the country 13:31:54 yn1v, yes, Margarita is an expensive place in holiday dates 13:32:11 however, some big efforts hve been made through the last year in that local area 13:32:26 that will impact on local people attending ? 13:32:36 yes 13:32:56 for them, is expensive to come to Caracas, since here is even more expensive than go there 13:33:30 also, we are not planing to use big resorts 13:33:39 I don't see as bad, but something to be aware and work to provide solutions and information 13:34:07 as you can see in the bid, our locations are small hotels so we can have technically a "fedora house" for everyone 13:34:56 I believe that the island has a low population, so we would not have much people from there attending. In that case we would need good marketing and information to get people there 13:35:00 transportation would be provided by the island, 24/7; so locations at the end won't be a problem if a change is needed 13:35:11 igorps, sure 13:35:16 using Santiago as example 13:35:16 that will mean that everybody on the event will be in a hotel, a some body has to pay... not that I am against that but to be taken into account 13:35:26 sometimes have an even on a big city doesn't determine a big attendance 13:35:53 there are 3 main universities in the island, and 1 hour away (at coast) at least 8 interested universities 13:36:08 so, our estimated goes from 300-600 on a low attendance 13:36:19 hotel will come from people budget or from fudcon budget. 13:36:40 we are working to use local sponsorship for that 13:36:44 that's about the universities is a good thing. 13:36:45 tatica, indeed, but I don't believe that this was Santiago example 13:36:58 local sponsorship is good 13:37:18 yn1v, igorps in venezuela, events are mostly done with local sponsorship 13:37:24 * gbraad still follows the talk 13:37:30 so we are a bit used to not have international help 13:37:36 I see this as something to deal with, not something that is bad 13:37:46 +1 13:37:48 if is needed, some expenses will be used with fudcon funds, but isn't our priority 13:38:00 what will leave us more fudcon budget for travels 13:38:29 good to know about the universities, certainly the best place to make marketing about the FUDCon 13:38:38 there is another option to travel that I receive last week 13:38:44 but I was in bed, so I couldn't add it 13:38:54 tatica, this is a good idea, worked well for FUDCon Panama 13:39:06 is that, like Aruba is so near to Margarita, we might use it as international airport, instead Caracas 13:39:27 we need to check prices and compare, and then add it to the wiki if is a good option 13:39:50 Aruba is 1 hour in boat to Margarita (or something like that) 13:40:16 tatica, do you believe that there will be any problems or restrictions on making the budget money get to Venezuela? 13:40:51 For instance restrictions to PayPal or international credit cards 13:40:57 not really, Margarita is a well know touristic place, so people is used to work with us$ 13:41:04 But probably fliying to aruba will be more expensive and will requiere visa, and may get really expensive if you have to sleep to catch a flight next day. 13:41:19 yn1v, yeap, that's what we need to research 13:41:33 we would like to consider first week of June or July 13:41:44 just a couple of weeks before holidays 13:42:14 before high season,, good 13:42:25 yeap 13:42:35 so we could avoid higher prices 13:42:55 exactly 13:44:14 just to be sure, all conference room are universities? 13:44:30 yes 13:44:36 great. 13:44:38 but 13:44:57 we already ask to the hotels we talk with a conference room, hospitality room 13:45:07 the idea is to not have any interruption 13:45:23 that's why we would like to have a "fedora hotel" 13:45:24 tatica, for general attendees do you think it's possible for them to go to the event and get home on the same day? Or hotels are necessary for everyone? 13:45:33 oh, before I forget 13:45:52 igorps, a lot of people can go and be back on same day 13:45:54 however 13:46:06 some has ask me to reserve for them, as their expenses 13:46:24 we would like to extend people visit for another day 13:46:44 flight at about $90 ... rather rent a room 13:46:48 state will provide an outdors adventure, beach day and things like that 13:46:54 yn1v, not everyone has to take a flight 13:46:57 not locals 13:47:00 nice! 13:47:04 only international visitors 13:47:17 we cant take the boat, mostly to take our cars 13:47:37 ok, medication time 13:47:42 any other question? I must leave 13:47:43 :S 13:47:51 Not from me 13:47:51 What about the rooms capacity? 13:49:01 well, we can have, single, double and can go up to apparment for 8 13:49:08 so, that's up to what we need 13:49:45 And the rooms at the university? 13:49:56 no, our universities doesn't have room 13:50:03 ahh sorry, conference room 13:50:07 from 50 to 500 13:50:12 again, we can choose any 13:50:20 all university rooms are for free 13:50:32 at all universities, and if we need more, we can use the governamental building 13:51:01 ok, be back in 30min guys 13:51:05 Important information! :) 13:51:17 I don't have further questions 13:51:39 so do we look now at perú bid ? 13:51:51 +1 13:52:37 I'm not sure about this flight costs 13:52:46 some of them look the same 13:52:55 I feel bad because lima has been talking about a big event for so long, and see the bid quite incomplete 13:53:24 Me too. I think they need a more mature bid. 13:53:48 Some information is missing 13:54:24 igorps: can you be more sepcific 13:54:27 For instance, it is not provided possible locations for conference or lodging 13:54:46 and also who are the organizers 13:55:18 Henry 13:55:18 Although I know who they are others don't 13:55:22 says in the top 13:56:07 There are other folks from Lima involved in this as well 13:56:37 I would hope so 13:56:51 As far as I know, there are some helping a bit, but this is most of all henry's work 13:57:01 ideally all the team should be listed 13:58:13 the good thing about Lima is that it is a bid city 13:58:24 with a lot of potential attendees 13:58:54 yes 14:00:47 I will write to Henry with the comments 14:01:00 In addition we would have more direct flights 14:01:48 I can't see info about the venue as well 14:02:08 yes, that was my first concern, conference room 14:02:29 Henry told he already has a place 14:02:40 Flights are not complete, but at least there is an idea of what to expect 14:03:12 I am sure, as he has been thing of a mayor fedora event for long time 14:03:24 but it is not in the bid 14:04:03 please, have this corrected before a preference can be given 14:04:32 It looks like they didn't have enough time to put the bid together 14:04:33 at the moment I will withhold myself frommy vote 14:04:56 I'm afraid we can't keep postponing this 14:05:38 Most of those suggestions were already made on last LATAM meeting too 14:05:40 that case it is simple. 14:05:57 we have only one complete bid option? 14:06:08 yes 14:06:28 there is only two bids, peru and venezuela 14:06:33 Both have their problems and pros 14:06:45 but the Venezuelan bid is in a better shape 14:07:04 I hate to do this... 14:07:13 igorps +1 14:07:30 so I am going to give a +1 for Venezuela 14:07:56 And I believe we should keep fostering the community in Peru 14:08:18 inviting them to the FUDCon, the same way did for FUDCon Panama 14:08:36 +1 14:08:56 +1 14:09:14 saw this coming, ;-) 14:09:58 So they can have a bid in better shape for the next years 14:10:12 I did not propose a Nicaraguan bid to give room for Peru :-/ 14:11:28 I did not propose a Brazilian bid because of the world cup constructions 14:12:03 so we can take over that infraestructure for fudcon after worldcup ? 14:12:08 I did not propose a China bid, since it is not LATAM 14:12:35 gbraad, :) 14:12:50 yn1v, actually I'm thinking about proposing a bid for a year before the world cup 14:13:05 do we have any other topic? 14:14:04 yn1v, we just need an agreement point before closing the meeting 14:14:55 #agreed to support Venezuela for fudcon as it show a more complete bid 14:15:33 yn1v, thanks 14:15:56 * gomix smiling silently happy 14:17:00 gomix good that you are smiling, you got a lot of work to do for next year ;) 14:17:16 as usual 14:17:22 I remember that the final word will come from the FPL 14:17:49 anything else for this meeting ? 14:17:49 But I believe that our recommendation is pretty consistent :) 14:18:12 not from me 14:18:21 gbraad, ?? 14:18:56 not from me 14:18:58 tired after the FAD 14:19:23 looking forward to read a report of this! 14:19:24 well, lets end the meeting so gbraad can have some rest 14:19:51 box of t-shirts is now shwapped for a case full of CD and DVD's 14:20:10 for use at the next event 14:20:14 sounds good 14:21:03 meeting ending in 1 minute ... 14:21:42 meeting ending in 30 secs ... 14:22:17 #endmeeting