05:01:26 <tagoh> #startmeeting i18n
05:01:26 <zodbot> Meeting started Thu Oct 13 05:01:26 2011 UTC.  The chair is tagoh. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.
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05:01:30 <tagoh> #meetingname i18n
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05:01:39 <tagoh> #topic agenda and roll call
05:01:49 <tagoh> https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/I18N/Meetings/2011-10-13
05:02:22 <tagoh> let's have weekly i18n meeting
05:02:27 <tagoh> who else here today?
05:02:48 <anish_> hi
05:03:17 <fujiwarat> hi
05:04:15 <dueno> hi
05:04:36 <epico_laptop> hi
05:06:10 <juhp> hi
05:06:28 <jni> hi
05:06:30 <tagoh> hi guys, okay, let's get started
05:06:42 <tagoh> #topic F16
05:07:50 <tagoh> not particular updates or news for f16.
05:08:04 <tagoh> 31 bugs keep open now.
05:08:50 <tagoh> including 2 nth bugs
05:09:17 <tagoh> well, any concerns on f16 or any updates to share for f16?
05:12:00 <juhp> I think the beta is not too bad
05:13:20 <tagoh> anish_: any chance to get #727019 fixed btw?
05:13:55 <pravins> hi
05:14:02 <paragan> hi
05:14:07 <anish_> yes i had submitted that patch
05:14:13 <anish_> and its in QA
05:14:43 <tagoh> anish_: did you submit an updates on bodhi?
05:15:09 <anish_> tagoh, yes i have submitted the updated on bodhi
05:16:11 <juhp> anish_, cool - if you add the bug in Bodhi updates it will update it automatically as the package goes to testing
05:16:50 <tagoh> anish_: you added wrong bug number I guess? 741176 is for ibus-sayura but not ibus-indic-table :)
05:17:22 <anish_> tagoh, let me check
05:17:59 <tagoh> anyway good to see the update on it thanks!
05:18:38 <anish_> tagoh, yes its my mistake :(
05:18:42 <pravins> anish_: i think we can close it now, symbol tag works fine now :)
05:19:28 <tagoh> pravins: bodhi does when the updated package is pushed to the stable
05:20:35 <juhp> bit confusing that NTH and Blocker bugs list is same
05:21:07 <tagoh> juhp: we could remove blocker bug from blocks perhaps.
05:22:09 <tagoh> but still no progress to have translation criterion for release blocker as per the comment. so I didn't thouch on it
05:22:24 <pravins> tagoh: ok, no props
05:23:05 <tagoh> .bug 741497
05:23:08 <zodbot> tagoh: Bug 741497 [KDE] im-chooser's "Log out" button powers off the system - https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=741497
05:23:36 <juhp> tagoh: sure
05:23:52 <tagoh> fixed in upstream and not yet have any release for updates. not so hurrying up since it won't happen in the default settings...
05:24:52 <tagoh> .bug 727806
05:24:54 <zodbot> tagoh: Bug 727806 Net/ThemeName is required for some gtk+ applications - https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=727806
05:25:23 <tagoh> just posted a proposal for renaming but seems no one interested in it unfortunately ;o)
05:27:13 <juhp> hmm
05:29:53 <tagoh> anyway
05:29:55 <tagoh> anything else?
05:31:44 <tagoh> okay, better move on
05:31:49 <tagoh> #topic Input Methods
05:31:53 <juhp> if space is a issue for zh we could remove uming from Live perhaps
05:32:37 <epico_laptop> use wqy-microhei-fonts instead?
05:33:02 <juhp> I dunno
05:33:08 <tagoh> what the bug?
05:33:24 <juhp> epico_laptop, anything left in:
05:33:35 <juhp> .bug 734301
05:33:37 <zodbot> juhp: Bug 734301 zh_TW] zh_TW does not install the fonts listed on fonts list - https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=734301
05:33:48 <juhp> is it not a duplicate of bug #740454 ?
05:33:56 <juhp> .bug 740454
05:34:01 <zodbot> juhp: Bug 740454 Please add back cjkuni-uming-fonts and cjkuni-ukai-fonts to DVD ISO - https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=740454
05:34:26 <epico_laptop> I think it is fixed, but local nfs is down, will test it soon.
05:34:37 <epico_laptop> in DVD iso now.
05:34:41 <juhp> aha
05:35:01 <juhp> ok just wonder why the new bug, but anyway :)
05:35:27 <epico_laptop> cjkuni-uming-fonts is missed on DVD iso, so installer skips it.
05:35:36 <tagoh> epico_laptop: better clarify which DVD iso he tried?
05:35:52 <juhp> ?
05:35:59 * epico_laptop dunno it.
05:36:08 <juhp> he said Beta, no?
05:36:24 <epico_laptop> he tried Fedora-16-Nightly-20110828.10-i686-Live-desktop.iso
05:36:24 <juhp> was it fixed before beta?
05:36:29 <juhp> ah
05:36:32 <juhp> ok
05:37:09 <tagoh> and just said Fedora DVD in comment#3
05:37:16 <juhp> right
05:38:07 <epico_laptop> I reply the bug, so he tried DVD also.
05:38:22 <juhp> epico_laptop, so it is fixed in beta?
05:39:33 <tagoh> from the fixed date, beta should contains the fix.
05:39:38 <juhp> epico_laptop, from your above comment I think the bug should be moved to Modified
05:39:39 <juhp> nod
05:39:39 <epico_laptop> cjkuni-uming-fonts is in f16-beta-rc3, but not tested beta yet.
05:39:47 <epico_laptop> ok
05:40:19 <tagoh> epico_laptop:  beta rc4 became to beta. so should be ok.
05:40:33 <juhp> btw in future you could just move the bug to comps I think :)
05:40:57 <epico_laptop> ok, will test it later.
05:41:04 <tagoh> thanks
05:41:11 <epico_laptop> welcome
05:41:25 <tagoh> okay, back to the topic, any updates for IM?
05:41:53 <juhp> ah sorry I thought we were still in F16...
05:42:08 <tagoh> np
05:42:35 <epico_laptop> commented it.
05:42:53 <epico_laptop> libpinyin release is announced.
05:43:06 <tagoh> 52 bugs keep open for IM btw
05:44:24 <tagoh> epico_laptop: cool
05:45:47 <juhp> fujiwarat, any idea about the Hangul key issue?
05:46:12 <juhp> .bug 742717
05:46:14 <zodbot> juhp: Bug 742717 Cannot Enable or Disable Hangul Input Method with short key. - https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=742717
05:46:32 <epico_laptop> tagoh, :)
05:47:28 <fujiwarat> juhp: I write a link of a scratch build with a debug codes in the bug report yesterday.
05:47:37 <juhp> ah thanks
05:49:30 <fujiwarat> I cannot reproduce the bug. I think zenkaku_hankaku works fine with ibus-anthy.
05:49:55 <tagoh> .bug 722697
05:49:57 <zodbot> tagoh: Bug 722697 [ru_RU] Russian keyboard cannot enter control characters - https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=722697
05:50:24 <tagoh> yet another but similar bugs related to Russian input
05:51:45 <tagoh> .bug 542993
05:51:50 <zodbot> tagoh: Bug 542993 It is impossible to install Fedora system with a Russian keyboard selected. - https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=542993
05:52:03 <tagoh> .bug 474010
05:52:05 <zodbot> tagoh: Bug 474010 gdm kbd layout setting should add US layout by default for layouts without Latin characters - https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=474010
05:53:40 <tagoh> just wonder if the keyboard layout on ibus would helps for them?
05:54:21 <fujiwarat> Yes, I think it will be fixed if the integration is done.
05:54:38 <tagoh> aha.
05:55:38 <fujiwarat> I mean gnome-shell integration but not legacy gnome.
05:57:13 <tagoh> okay
05:57:23 <tagoh> anything else?
05:57:49 <dingyichen> just release ibus-chewing-1.3.10
05:58:54 <tagoh> dingyichen: cool. does it help for #727018? :)
05:58:57 <tagoh> .bug 727018
05:58:59 <zodbot> tagoh: Bug 727018 ibus compose file needs a symbol tag for gnome-shell - https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=727018
05:59:24 <dingyichen> tagoh, and couple of other that user complain about.
06:00:07 <dingyichen> BTW, since when does the update submit to i18n-bug?
06:02:03 <fujiwarat> dingyichen: what did they complain about?
06:02:29 <juhp> dingyichen, for a long time...
06:02:33 <tagoh> dingyichen: isn't it the bz comment from the bodhi?
06:02:40 <dingyichen> "Your message to i18n-bugs awaits moderator approval"
06:03:11 <juhp> dingyichen, yeah known problem which is still unsolved afaik
06:03:31 <juhp> or please poke us with clue-stick :)
06:04:28 <juhp> tagoh: I forgot: are we going to add im-chooser to desktop menu?
06:04:46 <juhp> I think we should - also for f15
06:05:19 <juhp> I guess I should have opened a bug...
06:05:31 <tagoh> juhp: should be in Other
06:05:49 <fujiwarat> https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=641531#c64
06:06:15 <fujiwarat> I attached some of screenshots about IME specific menus but no reply from upstream.
06:06:31 <juhp> tagoh: ah yes
06:06:37 <fujiwarat> Probably I need to contact them again.
06:06:48 <juhp> cool
06:09:12 <tagoh> okay, let's move on
06:09:19 <tagoh> #topic Fonts and Rendering
06:09:24 <tagoh> any updates?
06:10:27 <juhp> pravins, btw there are some Indic rendering reports for f16 in bugzilla
06:12:20 <tagoh> .bug 586817
06:12:22 <zodbot> tagoh: Bug 586817 [te_IN][i18n] Rendering problem while using ZWNJ between composite character and consonant... - https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=586817
06:12:25 <tagoh> is it?
06:12:46 <jni> tagoh, hi, just try to implement PANGO_LANGUAGE feature in fonts-tweak-tool, will finish it by next week.
06:13:00 <tagoh> jni: aha. cool
06:13:58 <jni> tagoh, thanks, i will try to update fonts-tweak-tool as soon as possible
06:14:20 <juhp> jni, how do you propagate (save) it?
06:14:46 <juhp> tagoh: yeah I guess that is the main one
06:15:08 <jni> juhp, i want to save it to bash_profile, what do you think?
06:15:14 <juhp> hmm
06:15:33 <tagoh> jni: guess .i18n may be better than it?
06:15:37 <juhp> yeah
06:16:02 <juhp> ~/.i18n
06:16:46 <juhp> (assuming you meant .bash_profile)
06:17:52 <jni> tagoh, yeah, agree
06:17:55 <tagoh> or should we propose to initscripts to move it into $HOME/.config/i18n dunno
06:18:51 <tagoh> anyway
06:19:49 <tagoh> okay, anything else prior to close the meeting so that we are running over the time on the meeting
06:21:10 <juhp> tagoh: aha yeah that might be good to do now
06:22:35 <jni> juhp, will other program read $HOME/.config/i18n now?
06:22:51 <tagoh> jni: no
06:22:55 <tagoh> not yet
06:23:08 <jni> tagoh, oh, ok
06:23:27 <tagoh> there are no such file available even.
06:24:23 <tagoh> anything else?
06:26:08 <tagoh> okay, let's close the meeting then. thanks everyone for the meeting!
06:26:13 <tagoh> #endmeeting