15:00:49 <tflink> #startmeeting Fedora QA
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15:00:56 <tflink> #meetingname fedora-qa
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15:01:01 <tflink> #topic Roll Call
15:01:20 <tflink> So, anyone here despite the late notice (again)?
15:01:28 <adamw> morning
15:01:36 <tflink> #chair adamw
15:01:36 <zodbot> Current chairs: adamw tflink
15:01:45 <adamw> sorry, i was offline all day yesterday so i couldn't announce anything
15:02:22 <tflink> adamw: excuses, excuses, excuses ... :-D
15:03:51 <adamw> hey guys
15:04:18 <brunowolff> Hey
15:05:13 <adamw> i think our brno contingent is at fudcon
15:05:27 <tflink> ah, I wasn't sure if that went through today or not
15:06:06 <tflink> well, I suppose it's about time to get started
15:06:26 <tflink> adamw: you want to drive or should I?
15:06:27 <brunowolff> I think it ended yesterday, but there may be travel today.
15:07:15 <tflink> #topic Previous Meeting Follow-Up
15:07:30 <adamw> tflink: you go ahead
15:07:38 <tflink> OK, I'm seeing 2 things from last week
15:07:49 <tflink> one of them is for me
15:07:58 <tflink> tflink to build python-yourls for F15, F16, EL6 and create update
15:08:39 <tflink> which didn't get done. Now that beta's gone gold, I should have a bit more time to get that done
15:08:54 <tflink> #info python-yourls still not built
15:09:04 <tflink> #action tflink to build python-yourls for F15, F16, EL6 and create update
15:09:25 <tflink> #info maxamillion create ticket for pkgdb to link to package-specific test cases
15:09:41 <tflink> this looks like it had some traction last week
15:09:50 <tflink> #link https://fedorahosted.org/packagedb/ticket/223
15:10:05 <adamw> cool
15:10:25 <tflink> and it doesn't look like maxamillion is around for any other updates
15:10:48 <tflink> but it looks like the ticket is seeing progress
15:11:01 <tflink> #info progress is being made, packagedb ticket has been assigned
15:11:18 <tflink> if there are no other followup items ...
15:11:50 <tflink> #topic F16 Beta Wrap-Up
15:12:05 <tflink> #info F16 Beta RC4 => GOLD!!!
15:12:08 <adamw> yaaaay
15:12:15 <tflink> much thanks to all who tested
15:12:37 <tflink> seeing the RC4 test matrix filled up that quickly was awesome
15:13:13 <tflink> there is one item left for testing beta, though
15:13:32 <tflink> #topic F16 Beta Preupgrade
15:13:41 <tflink> #link https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=737731
15:13:58 <tflink> #info F15 fix for F16 preupgrade
15:14:18 <tflink> it looks like we have a new test build for F15 preupgrade that could use some testing
15:14:18 <adamw> yeah
15:14:27 <adamw> we need to test that quick so hughsie can submit an update
15:14:32 <tflink> #link http://people.freedesktop.org/~hughsient/fedora/15/i386/
15:14:34 <adamw> i was gonna do it right after this meeting, the more testing the better
15:14:41 * tflink is installing F15 right now to test
15:15:21 <adamw> i keep a clean f15 'master' image around in virt-manager
15:15:26 <tflink> hopefully, we can get that to stable when F16 beta releases
15:15:28 <adamw> then any time i want to test upgrade stuff i just clone it
15:15:33 <adamw> somewhat faster than doing a fresh install
15:15:45 <tflink> if I was smart, I'd start using LVM snapshots
15:15:57 <tflink> but I usually don't remember until after I've done the upgrade
15:16:15 <adamw> heh
15:16:26 <adamw> anyways, yeah, we should get that tested
15:16:27 <tflink> anything else for beta wrap up?
15:16:30 <adamw> the other thing we need to do is common bugs
15:16:40 <adamw> there's probably a ton of things with commonbugs tag and some more that should have it
15:16:51 <tflink> #topic F16 Beta CommonBugs
15:16:59 <adamw> i'm gonna take a look through final blockers and rejected blockers and tag anything that looks like it needs it
15:17:07 <adamw> and i'll write up whatever i can; help with that is welcome of course
15:17:10 <tflink> #info There are a lot of things with the commonbugs tag that need to be documented
15:17:38 <adamw> http://bit.ly/fedora-commonbugs-proposed is the list of bugs proposed for commonbugs
15:17:52 <adamw> a few may be old f15 stuff but mostly they'll be f16 things
15:17:53 <tflink> #link https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Common_F16_bugs
15:18:06 <tflink> #link https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Common_F16_bugs
15:18:27 <adamw> so good, they linked it twice
15:18:36 <tflink> whoops
15:18:38 <tflink> #undo
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15:19:07 <tflink> #link http://bit.ly/fedora-commonbugs-proposed
15:19:36 <tflink> Yay! Documentation fun time!
15:19:49 <tflink> anything else for beta wrap up?
15:20:26 <tflink> #topic F16 Final Prep
15:20:39 <tflink> I don't think that there is a whole lot to say about this ATM
15:20:42 <adamw> let's ship the beta and go on vacation!
15:20:49 <satellit_> https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=742695  EFI in virtualbox gets text install ? corner issue
15:20:51 <tflink> #info F16 blocker bug review meetings have started
15:21:37 <tflink> that was rather random
15:22:24 <tflink> anyhow, other topics for final preparations?
15:22:51 <adamw> satellit_: efi has to provide info to the OS about the video mode, i believe...it might not be doing it right.
15:23:07 * tflink assumes not and moves on
15:23:20 <tflink> #topic Upcoming QA Events
15:23:32 <tflink> We've got one event coming up this week
15:23:44 <tflink> #info Printing Test Day on Thursday
15:23:51 <tflink> #link http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Test_Day:2011-10-06_Printing
15:24:31 <adamw> coolbeans
15:24:34 <tflink> it looks to me like preparations are coming along well
15:24:41 <adamw> yeah, twaugh's usually on top of that one
15:24:43 <tflink> the next one is
15:24:55 <tflink> #info Fedora Pacakger for Eclipse test day is next week
15:25:03 <tflink> #link http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Test_Day:2011-10-13_Fedora_Packager_for_Eclipse
15:25:16 <tflink> this also looks like it's coming along well
15:26:24 <adamw> cool, so we're set for those.
15:26:32 <tflink> looks like
15:26:49 <tflink> the fedora packager test day page looks like it'll need some minor updating but that isn't until next week
15:26:49 <adamw> we should probably get back to talking about proventester stuff, but we'd need more people around for that, and we may not have time before final rush is on.
15:27:12 <tflink> there should be a proventesters meeting on wednesday
15:27:19 * tflink will ask nirik about it
15:27:37 <nirik> yeah.
15:28:17 <tflink> #topic Proventesters
15:28:28 <tflink> adamw: was there anything in particular that you wanted to talk about?
15:28:48 <nirik> not sure how useful the meetings are yet, but I'd like to at least do 1-2 more now that beta is done and people might have more time to look at it.
15:29:20 <tflink> yeah, we cut the last meeting short due to beta testing
15:29:33 <adamw> yeah, couple more meetings would be great
15:29:39 <adamw> i'll try and actually be around for the next one :)
15:30:46 <tflink> Anything else that we want to cover about proventesters?
15:31:08 * tflink assumes that we'll just leave it for wednesday
15:31:15 <nirik> if folks have ideas for recruitment, testing coverage or the like, please do bring it up wed.
15:31:39 <tflink> nirik: I assume that you're planning to send out the announcement etc.?
15:31:40 <adamw> we still could do with better stats, which is something that never quite gets important enough to sort out
15:31:43 <adamw> but it really ought to be possible
15:31:58 <tflink> adamw: suggestions for better stats welcome :)
15:32:04 <brunowolff> Some cookbook stuff for running old Fedora instances in a VM.
15:32:06 <nirik> I was wondering if we could do better also documenting (in one place) the tools and where to look for things.
15:32:07 <tflink> we can mock stuff up before proposing it in bodhi
15:32:42 <nirik> tflink: yeah, unless someone else would like to. :) That would be fine with me.
15:32:53 <tflink> #info proventesters meeting on Wednesday
15:33:05 <brunowolff> I don't know that any of my home hardware will really support this practically, but I don't usually run old Fedora's unless I am having kernel - hardware interactions causing problems.
15:33:25 <tflink> #info suggestions for recruitment strategies, new stats etc. are welcome
15:33:36 <nirik> brunowolff: I am going to look at setting up a dual boot f14/f15 on my old old laptop... just so I can test stuff on bare hardware. ;)
15:33:42 <tflink> nirik: as long as it gets sent out :)
15:34:53 * tflink is wondering if we should start the brainstorming on test@ now instead of waiting for wednesday
15:35:02 <tflink> unless that thread was already started and I just forgot
15:35:54 <brunowolff> Live images are another way to test things, but I have issues with those as well, because of old BIOS that don't like to boot from USB drives.
15:36:39 * tflink wanted to look into booting from iSCSI targets to test multiple releases on the same HW
15:36:56 <tflink> but that requires somewhat specialized HW and time to figure it all out
15:37:25 * satellit_ I use 250 Gb usb external drives with f14 f15 f16 installed (each with virtualbox and livecd-tools ) easy to boot up each for tests
15:38:55 <tflink> well, I'm thinking that we can move the brainstorming to test@ and hopefully we'll get some more good ideas
15:39:07 <tflink> and with that, we come to
15:39:16 <tflink> #topic Open Discussion
15:39:28 <tflink> any other topics that folks want to discuss?
15:40:11 <adamw> we do have a bunch of criteria updates to do/discuss
15:40:21 <adamw> i'll try and fire off proposals for those to the list
15:40:26 <brunowolff> I saw an issue with a live image using F16 include updates-testing failing to properly run gdm because of something selinux related.
15:40:36 <tflink> ok, I know that I don't have any of that organized
15:40:45 <brunowolff> This sounded similar to a bug I saw discussed, but can't find it now.
15:40:59 <adamw> oh, and we should check karma for beta updates.
15:41:35 <tflink> #action adamw to send criteria update proposals to test@
15:41:40 <brunowolff> This was with Adam's patch to spin-kickstarts, but I didn't see anything in the patch that was likely to cause this.
15:42:37 <adamw> brunowolff: check without my patch, and file an selinux bug if it's still there, i guess
15:42:38 <brunowolff> I was hoping someone might remember more about the bug so I could find it. It had to do with one bug hiding another.
15:42:45 <adamw> but yeah, my patch shouldn't change anything tehre
15:43:03 <adamw> the similar bug we had as a beta blocker was https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=738803 , i think
15:43:14 <adamw> note the gnome spin boots straight to gnome now, there is no gdm step
15:43:24 <brunowolff> When the first bug was fixed, some files didn't get relabelled causing an issue with selinux.
15:44:37 <brunowolff> Yeah that's the one.
15:45:20 <brunowolff> This seems similar, and I wanted to see if I can figure out if the bug was resurrected or if something else is going on.
15:45:43 <adamw> okay, cool
15:45:46 <adamw> keep us up to date
15:46:54 <tflink> any other topics
15:46:56 <tflink> ?
15:47:03 <brunowolff> I was getting the somethings gone wrong message instead of a login page, so it may have actually been gnome not gdm. And the hardware is old, so fallback mode might work differently.
15:48:14 <adamw> wait, what message exactly?
15:48:30 <adamw> when you boot on hardware that can't manage shell, it'll boot to fallback mode and give you a sadface message about how shell didn't work
15:48:35 <adamw> that's all intentional, though: it's not a bug
15:49:11 <adamw> if the system tries to start shell but something goes wrong and it gives you the fail whale and forces you to 'log out', there's a bug
15:49:17 <adamw> two different messages
15:49:43 <brunowolff> I forget the exact wording, but it was the usual gnome shell has a fatal problem and asks you to logout.
15:50:25 <adamw> okay, then that's shell, not fallback.
15:50:42 <brunowolff> I noted an selinux warning so I used CA-F2 to get to the console, switched to permissive mode and then went back to X and was able to get in.
15:51:41 <adamw> okay. so yeah, check it out some more then file a bug
15:52:43 <tflink> cool, any other topics?
15:52:48 <robatino> i've noticed that sometimes download via dl is slow compared to serverbeach1, should we be mentioning sb1 in the announcements? do other people see this?
15:53:14 * tflink hasn't tried both
15:53:16 <nirik> robatino: if you can ping in #fedora-admin when you see that we can try and track it down...
15:53:23 <robatino> i generally don't get a constant full-speed download, it varies from roughly dialup speed to my maximum (350 KBytes/s)
15:53:31 <nirik> odd.
15:53:39 * nirik gets 2MB/sec or so from dl...
15:53:46 <robatino> i used to get constant full-speed download
15:54:10 * tflink also gets 2M/s from dl
15:54:35 <nirik> sb1 is still mirroring, so mentioning it should be fine too I guess...
15:54:59 <robatino> it'll be running at peak for a while, then slow to around 10 KBytes/s, then jump to peak, etc.
15:56:00 <adamw> sb1 syncs up about an hour after dl i think.
15:56:13 <nirik> yeah, there's a delay there...
15:56:32 <robatino> i'll try downloading something after the meeting and if i see it again, ask in #fedora-admin
15:57:23 <robatino> yes, i sort of dislike sb1 because of the delay - i used to delay the announcements until after sb1 synced up
15:57:48 <nirik> dl is using the same backend storage as secondary01/alt/releng... so it's pretty instant. ;)
15:59:40 <tflink> any other topics?
16:00:35 * tflink sets fuse for 2 minutes
16:02:10 <tflink> OK, thanks for coming everyone!
16:02:20 * tflink will be sending out minutes shortly
16:02:23 <tflink> #endmeeting