05:06:03 <tagoh> #startmeeting i18n
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05:06:06 <tagoh> #meetingname i18n
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05:06:14 <tagoh> #topic agenda and roll call
05:06:25 <tagoh> https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/I18N/Meetings/2011-09-01
05:06:41 <tagoh> hi guys, let's have i18n meeting
05:07:42 <dueno> hi
05:08:09 <tagoh> who else here today?
05:08:22 <epico_laptop> hi
05:08:30 <jni> hi
05:09:16 <juhp> hi
05:11:13 <tagoh> okay, let's get started.
05:11:18 <tagoh> #topic F16
05:11:32 <dingyichen> hi
05:11:37 <fujiwarat> hi
05:12:09 <tagoh> today, we are running i18n desktop test day now. please join us as far as possible if you have a time.
05:12:16 <juhp> yes
05:12:58 <juhp> I got a bug report already :)
05:13:05 <juhp> (for yum-langpacks)
05:13:10 <tagoh> right
05:14:26 <tagoh> well, docsbeat wiki freeze for beta is next Tuesday, 6th Sep though, any updates?
05:15:20 <juhp> wow lots of text there now
05:15:39 <juhp> https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Documentation_I18n_Beat
05:16:02 <juhp> I will have a read through it anyway and try to polish if necessary
05:16:11 <tagoh> juhp: thanks
05:17:35 <juhp> fujiwarat, thanks for all the input
05:17:45 <tagoh> fujiwarat: how about Features/GnomeInputIntegration ?
05:18:11 <fujiwarat> juhp: tagoh: yeah, it's done.
05:18:38 <tagoh> fujiwarat: okay, can you update the current status on https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Features/GnomeInputIntegration ? :)
05:19:50 <tagoh> we may want to update the testcase of the test day for new features perhaps
05:20:19 <juhp> dueno, btw I had a question about eekboard - can it be activated from ibus?
05:20:46 <fujiwarat> tagoh: Probably I think there is no change for GnomeInputIntegration .
05:21:09 <juhp> fujiwarat, you mentioned that some of the gnome-shell upstream integration would be postponed to 3.4 - what is the impact on that for the feature, if any?
05:21:13 <dueno> juhp, yes see https://fedorahosted.org/eekboard/wiki/TabletGuide
05:21:21 <juhp> dueno, thanks
05:22:04 <fujiwarat> juhp: Probably I think no impact for the user level but have to install ibus-gnome3 by default.
05:22:13 <juhp> okay
05:22:25 <tagoh> time to change comps then
05:22:39 <juhp> dueno, so just setting focus-listener to 'ibus' is enough?
05:22:49 <juhp> tagoh, actually I already did
05:22:50 <tagoh> or deps to make sure it's installed by default on upgrading. hmm
05:23:11 <juhp> hmm upgrading may be harder
05:23:29 <juhp> though I am not 100% if we can ship it as default yet
05:23:38 <tagoh> right
05:23:41 <juhp> guess we have to see through beta first
05:23:59 <tagoh> yep
05:24:06 <fujiwarat> OK, do we add the dependency of ibus.
05:24:21 <juhp> ?
05:24:55 <fujiwarat> whenever ibus is installed, ibus-gnome3 can be installed with the dependency.
05:25:09 <juhp> fujiwarat, well then no point to subpackage :)
05:25:30 <juhp> fujiwarat, I feel the current conditional dep on gnome-shell in comps may be enough for now
05:25:40 <fujiwarat> ok
05:25:59 <tagoh> juhp: hmm, well, we could get some feedbacks on the test day anyway though, it will happens after beta. it may be easy to get rid of ibus-gnome3 from the default installation rather than adding it to the manifest for post-beta.
05:26:19 <juhp> fujiwarat, hm though we could add conditional dep on ibus in @gnome perhaps though not sure if it really helps
05:26:49 <tagoh> given that there are any problems that is harder to keep it as default, it could be a blocker. but adding a feature might be not acceptable.
05:26:50 <juhp> tagoh: yeah
05:27:14 <juhp> tagoh: so it is already in comps :)
05:27:37 <tagoh> is it better to do something for upgrading now perhaps?
05:27:52 <juhp> can anything be done? :)
05:28:11 <tagoh> add an extra deps to something? dunno
05:28:41 <tagoh> anyway, once we find any issues, we could revert them
05:30:21 <tagoh> hwo about add R: ibus-gnome3 to ibus-gtk3  but not to ibus ?
05:30:51 <juhp> hmm
05:30:58 <fujiwarat> I think it's actually for gnome-shell but not gnome3.
05:31:20 <juhp> it is possible but not sure we want to do that
05:31:46 <juhp> actually I think the subpackage should really be called gnome-shell-extension-ibus
05:31:49 <tagoh> well, ibus just works without it on gnome-shell. so maybe trivial thing even if it's missed on upgrading though
05:32:28 <tagoh> juhp: aha.
05:32:30 <juhp> also currently ibus-gnome3 requires gnome-shell
05:32:43 <fujiwarat> Right
05:32:55 <juhp> I mean Requires
05:33:30 <tagoh> okay, so we could mention something for that in relnotes then.
05:33:49 <juhp> I am not really sure if upgrade is such a big deal - specially if we are not sure if we might not postpone this default to f17
05:33:54 <tagoh> for upgrading
05:33:56 <juhp> tagoh: sure
05:34:00 <juhp> that would be good
05:34:52 <tagoh> okay, anything else, concerns, issues you want to share for f16 so far?
05:35:15 <fujiwarat> I informed fedora-desktop about ibus-gnome3.
05:35:34 <tagoh> aha
05:37:31 <fujiwarat> Probably we also won' t need gtk-xim for f16.
05:38:15 <juhp> fujiwarat, I should do more testing but I saw the keyboard indicator disappear for me when I added a kbd layout in control-center and ibus was running
05:38:47 <juhp> fujiwarat, do you mean gtk3-immodule-xim?
05:39:07 <fujiwarat> yes, I meant gtk*-immodule-xim.
05:39:42 <tagoh> what if one is going to use the input method on X applications?
05:39:42 <juhp> fujiwarat, well it is not needed for IM but for X compose
05:40:31 <fujiwarat> juhp: ibus will supports it in f16.
05:40:44 <fujiwarat> s/supports/support/
05:41:01 <juhp> fujiwarat, cool but it is needed by people who don't use IM :)
05:41:12 <fujiwarat> ok
05:41:29 <fujiwarat> but gtk*-immodule-xim is IM?
05:41:30 <juhp> eg Brazilian users on US kbd
05:41:52 <fujiwarat> yes, I added the pt_br logic.
05:41:54 <juhp> fujiwarat, XIM supports X locale compose
05:42:03 <juhp> aha
05:42:09 <fujiwarat> ok
05:42:28 <juhp> well maybe we have to review again but I don't think pt_BR users are using ibus
05:42:33 <juhp> yet anyway
05:43:04 <juhp> we had a long "discussion" about this with desktop...
05:43:36 <juhp> afaik they are still needed by various European lang users
05:44:12 <tagoh> fujiwarat: if you are confident, you could call for testers how it works though, it will be slower than im-xim since ibus has the extra wire-connection.
05:45:04 <juhp> fujiwarat, I can point you at the long bug if want more details
05:45:36 <tagoh> fujiwarat: there sre some gamer on linux, and they will complain the response time on their typing... that was what I saw on the xim bridge on imsettings but anyway ;)
05:45:47 <juhp> aha
05:46:18 <juhp> fujiwarat, "XIM Compose" is actually the default for a few locales in Fedora
05:47:19 <juhp> anyway I think it would be good to review the Feature soon to check where we are
05:47:55 <juhp> fujiwarat, could you update the status there - adding [done] to things that are finished/working now?
05:49:00 <fujiwarat> ok
05:49:56 <tagoh> okay, anything else?
05:50:30 <tagoh> if not, shall we move on
05:50:45 <tagoh> #topic Input Methods
05:51:00 <tagoh> any updates related to IM?
05:52:22 <tagoh> juhp: anything for multilib btw?
05:53:32 <juhp> hm
05:53:43 <juhp> well no news
05:53:53 <tagoh> okay
05:54:07 <juhp> I think the bug I filed for yum-utils is probably unchanged
05:54:14 <tagoh> aha
05:54:58 <tagoh> okay, better move on then
05:55:06 <tagoh> #topic Fonts and Rendering
05:55:41 <tagoh> epico_laptop, jni: any updates for font tool?
05:55:42 <juhp> .bug 723796
05:55:44 <zodbot> juhp: Bug 723796 RFE: plugin for multilib protection of GTK modules - https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=723796
05:56:21 <jni> tagoh, hi, i have create the repository on github, and commit some code to it
05:56:34 <tagoh> jni: url? :)
05:57:03 <jni> tagoh, https://github.com/jamesni/font-tweak-tool
05:57:16 <tagoh> jni: thanks
05:57:17 <juhp> aha
05:57:47 <jni> tagoh, np
06:00:14 <tagoh> hm, well, seems no pune people here, as you may know new Lohit fonts has been released.
06:00:48 <juhp> yeah I think holiday today in Pune
06:00:53 <tagoh> okay
06:01:29 <juhp> aha
06:03:12 <tagoh> the updated packages seems not put in Fedora yet.
06:03:24 <tagoh> anyway
06:04:27 <tagoh> anything else to share prior to stop the meeting?
06:06:28 <dueno> maybe too late for f16, I'm adding generic virtual keyboard support to ibus-m17n, instead of iok https://github.com/ueno/ibus-m17n/commit/c9227dab
06:07:09 <tagoh> dueno: aha
06:09:13 <tagoh> thanks for sharing.
06:10:25 <tagoh> maybe good to have some feedbacks from people in India.
06:10:35 <juhp> dueno, can you explain more how it will work?
06:10:52 <juhp> sounds good anyway
06:11:49 <tagoh> guess the backend is ibus-m17n and eekboard is the input interface for that?
06:12:21 <juhp> aha
06:12:37 <dueno> yes
06:13:01 <juhp> dueno, so not planning to include it in F16Beta?
06:13:37 <tagoh> maybe eekboard may has more opportinity to obtain more information from ibus-m17n directly than accessing through ibus?
06:14:37 <dueno> juhp, yeah, I think it's too young and need feedback from indic people
06:14:45 <juhp> okay
06:15:33 <juhp> anyway i think it is a good plan - eekboard seems more solid than iok now - hope it will work well
06:16:26 <tagoh> okay, let's stop the meeting here.
06:16:37 <juhp> though also wondering about the new default OSK in gnome 3.2?
06:16:49 <juhp> sure
06:17:06 <tagoh> thanks everyone for the meeting!
06:17:23 <tagoh> #endmeeting