19:00:46 <rbergeron> #startmeeting Cloud SIG
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19:00:50 <rbergeron> #meetingname Cloud SIG
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19:00:53 <rbergeron> #topic Roll call
19:00:57 * jsmith is here
19:01:00 * clalance here
19:01:04 <rbergeron> hey clalance, is aeolus's only mailing list aeolus-devel@lists.fp.o?
19:01:12 <rbergeron> or is there an aeolus-planning or anything like that
19:01:23 <clalance> rbergeron: That's the main list, yeah.
19:01:34 <gholms> Hai!
19:01:34 <clalance> I think we also have a aeolus-security, but that's only for security issues.
19:01:36 <rbergeron> clalance: okay, i'm spamming it with "please tell me if you can talk on video" :)
19:02:19 <clalance> rbergeron: Heh, OK.
19:02:25 * clalance has never tried
19:02:40 <clalance> But given the sad state of softphones on Linux, I highly doubt I could coerce anything to work.
19:02:55 <rbergeron> No, I mean, with a video camera in front of a person. :)
19:03:00 <clalance> rbergeron: Ah, right.
19:03:04 <rbergeron> For interviews stuff.
19:03:20 <rbergeron> clalance: i always had a devil of a time with it, but google+ amazingly just worked
19:03:20 * kkeithley is here
19:03:24 <rbergeron> okay, let's get going.
19:03:26 <rbergeron> #topic EC2
19:03:42 <rbergeron> I think we have nothing to report here, and jforbes is kickin' it in Seattle with his lovely bride.
19:04:03 <rbergeron> The outstanding ticket with rel-eng isn't moving ATM, so I think the F16 Alpha will be probably made with BG as well.
19:04:19 <rbergeron> It will be fairly cool to actually be able to do things for Alpha, etc. :)
19:04:25 <rbergeron> Thoughts/questions/concerns?
19:04:30 <gholms> The test day?
19:05:45 <gholms> [You hear a sound reminiscent of an elephant stepping on a peanut]
19:05:53 <rbergeron> Oh, the test day.
19:05:56 <rbergeron> Um.
19:06:01 * ke4qqq thinks we should just plan on all F16 releases being BG generated - but make doubly sure to do our due diligence
19:06:02 <rbergeron> I think we sort of covered that last week, didn't we?
19:06:16 <rbergeron> ke4qqq: I tend to agree there
19:06:25 <gholms> Right, but did anything new show up?
19:06:32 <gholms> There was a kernel bug at one point.
19:07:03 <gholms> .bug 729340
19:07:05 <zodbot> gholms: Bug 729340 kernel 2.6.40-4 running on EC2 makes devices ordering wrong - https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=729340
19:07:44 <gholms> That's supposed to be fixed soon, but until then F15 images may be kind of wonky.
19:08:13 <gholms> (eof)
19:08:27 <rbergeron> yeah. should be fixed soon. IIRC, we made a note to note it, but i can't remember. and i suck at sending out logs from when I'm not actually at the computer.
19:08:33 <rbergeron> I'll send out the notes.
19:08:58 <rbergeron> We basically agreed that that wasn't going to be a showstopper. And really, at this point, people have been using the F15 ami's for some time
19:09:40 * gholms must have missed that discussion this week
19:09:54 <rbergeron> last friday, i think you were on vacation?
19:10:01 <rbergeron> unless this is different from what I am talking about
19:10:03 <gholms> Nope.  The bug was filed on Tuesday.
19:10:09 <rbergeron> oh. OH
19:10:11 <rbergeron> i know what you're talking about
19:10:16 <gholms> :)
19:10:28 <rbergeron> yeah... i mean, nobody had even reported it from test day, etc.
19:10:39 <rbergeron> if a fix is coming, the fix is coming.
19:10:50 <gholms> Yep, the kernel in the test day image is fine.
19:11:17 <rbergeron> And that's what we marked as official, IIRC
19:11:20 <rbergeron> at least that was my understanding
19:11:44 <gholms> Sounds good
19:11:58 <rbergeron> #chair gholms
19:11:58 <zodbot> Current chairs: gholms rbergeron
19:12:16 <rbergeron> #info still tentatively planning on using BG to make F16 alpha EC2 stuff
19:12:27 <rbergeron> do we have to wait on that till said bug is fixed?
19:12:35 <rbergeron> I guess we do have 1.5 weeks, heh
19:12:53 <gholms> AFAIK it only affect F15.
19:12:57 <gholms> *affects
19:12:57 <rbergeron> okay
19:13:06 <rbergeron> mooooving on then
19:13:09 <rbergeron> #topic HekaFS
19:13:17 <rbergeron> kkeithley: HAI
19:13:22 <kkeithley> heythere
19:13:25 <rbergeron> heyheyhey.
19:13:30 <rbergeron> I see you have a bite on your review. thanks, clalance :)
19:13:46 <kkeithley> yup, thanks clalance
19:13:46 <clalance> rbergeron: You are welcome.
19:13:51 * clalance is trying to repay some karma :).
19:14:13 <kkeithley> so jdarcy is on pto 'til the middle of next week.
19:14:27 <rbergeron> lucky man
19:14:32 <kkeithley> we've been testing. me doing valgrind stuff and chasing some leaks.
19:14:50 <rbergeron> valgrind is fun that way, isn't it :)
19:15:03 <kkeithley> jdarcy was doing stress/load testing and he found an issue
19:15:25 <kkeithley> yes, valgrind is fun. Good way to force me to slog through gluster source
19:15:50 <kkeithley> Anyway, he's escalated to the glusterfs folks, no response yet though that I'm aware of.
19:16:31 <kkeithley> The issue is with how they handle acls on the server side. They assume that uid 0 is special, but hekafs remaps all uids, so 0 is no longer 0.
19:16:34 <rbergeron> i assume it's not a show-stopper type thing?
19:16:37 <kkeithley> if you follow my meaning.
19:16:48 <kkeithley> no, we have two ways around it.
19:17:00 <rbergeron> kkeithley: I'll just take your word for it, and assume that others actually follow your meaning. i vaguely follow. that's it :)
19:17:06 <kkeithley> It'd be nice if glusterfs people were more responsive and we could push the fix upstream.
19:17:21 * rbergeron nods
19:17:28 <kkeithley> sooner rather than later
19:17:52 * rbergeron wonders if anyone else here knows anyone in glusterfs land who might be able to apply pressure/obtain help
19:17:57 * rbergeron casually looks at ke4qqq
19:18:02 <rbergeron> JUST A THOUGHT
19:18:09 <rbergeron> kkeithley: noted. :)
19:18:31 <rbergeron> if i see any of them next week at linuxcon I'll be sure to bat my eyelashed as needed.
19:18:52 <kkeithley> we already have to do minor end runs around their slow responsiveness, so this is just one more
19:19:04 * gholms recommends bribing them with beer
19:19:10 <rbergeron> gholms: i'm good for that
19:19:45 <rbergeron> okay, well, anything else? :)
19:19:55 <gholms> Keep up the good work. :)
19:19:56 <kkeithley> it might take more than beer to get me to go to L.A. though, even though I have many friends there I haven't seen in a long time
19:20:22 <gholms> Sounds like what we need is a beer-by-mail service.
19:20:50 <rbergeron> I think that could be a F17 feature.
19:20:51 <rbergeron> :)
19:20:55 <rbergeron> #topic Aeolus
19:20:59 <rbergeron> clalance: hi
19:21:05 <clalance> rbergeron: Hello :).
19:21:11 <clalance> rbergeron: Not a huge ton to report.
19:21:20 <clalance> rbergeron: We've fixed a ton of bugs in the rails 3 port in the last couple of weeks.
19:21:39 <rbergeron> yar.
19:21:39 <clalance> rbergeron: So my plan is to do another update of the packages in F-16 right before the beta deadline.
19:21:43 <clalance> rbergeron: Is that kosher?
19:21:44 * rbergeron saw giant superpatch today
19:21:56 <clalance> rbergeron: Haha.  Well, that I probably won't put into F-16.
19:22:11 <clalance> That is just for my sanity, doesn't really change much functionality wise.
19:22:15 <rbergeron> I think that's fine, assuming it's before the Beta Freeze
19:22:29 <rbergeron> that's what that time is for ;) fixing things that are buggay
19:22:34 <clalance> rbergeron: Yeah, I'll do it a week before so it can make it through the bodhi update process.
19:23:05 <clalance> That's pretty much it, not too much exciting news.
19:23:10 <rbergeron> cool. well, thanks. :)
19:23:12 <gholms> Wait a minute, you guys did a major new release and you say there is "not a huge ton to report"?
19:23:21 <clalance> gholms: Oops, yeah.
19:23:26 <clalance> gholms: Heh, forgot about that one ;).
19:23:30 <gholms> ;)
19:23:44 <clalance> gholms: Don't mind me, I'm a stupid developer.  That release is old news already :).
19:23:48 <clalance> (to me)
19:24:03 <clalance> rbergeron: But gholms has it right, 0.3.0 is out there.
19:24:20 <clalance> What's in F-16 is 0.3.0, plus the changes to make it run on rails 3.
19:24:36 <clalance> So testing and feedback on 0.3.0 is definitely encouraged.
19:24:37 <clalance> :)
19:24:54 <gholms> #info F16 has Aeolus 0.3.0, plus Rails 3 compatibility patches
19:25:05 <clalance> gholms: Thanks :).
19:25:23 <rbergeron> :)
19:25:38 <rbergeron> sorry, just lost my vpn
19:25:40 <rbergeron> (AGAIN)
19:25:42 * rbergeron grumbles
19:25:56 <rbergeron> #topic Any other business?
19:26:06 <gholms> rbergeron: You could always connect directly to freenode. :P
19:26:07 <rbergeron> gholms: F17 euca? :)
19:26:25 <gholms> rbergeron: I'm crossing my fingers.  We'll see what happens.
19:26:40 <rbergeron> gholms: I am directly connected from here to freenode, but when my VPN shuts off lately I have to like... deactivate and restart my wireless, for some stupid reason
19:26:45 <gholms> Ouch
19:26:50 <rbergeron> gholms: if I need to send beer to someone, let me know :)
19:27:04 <rbergeron> btw, I met your roommate at oscon ;)
19:27:14 <gholms> He's a good guy.
19:28:28 <gholms> I can't get any commitments out of anyone until Eucalyptus 3.0 is done.  We'll see what happens after that.
19:28:46 <rbergeron> :)
19:28:56 <rbergeron> okay
19:28:59 <rbergeron> anyone else?
19:29:21 <rbergeron> don't tell me we're finishing before the half hour.
19:29:27 <rbergeron> I'll have to hold over just for that.
19:29:35 <clalance> Haha.  My favorite type of meeting; the one that ends early ;).
19:29:53 <rbergeron> Indeed.
19:29:57 <rbergeron> I've already had one today.
19:30:14 <rbergeron> Though it was scheduled for 6am my time, and got moved at the last second (after I had woken up) to 7am, and then it lasted 5 minutes.
19:30:27 <rbergeron> 6am == just wrong
19:30:31 <rbergeron> anyway
19:30:32 <jgreguske> rbergeron: when is f16 alpha targeted?
19:30:54 <rbergeron> jgreguske: Aug. 23 now
19:31:11 <rbergeron> jgreguske: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Releases/16/Schedule
19:31:19 <jgreguske> rbergeron: k, we made some progress with uploading images from koji
19:31:22 <rbergeron> was supposed to be tuesday, but we had a slip
19:31:32 <gholms> [You have a sad feeling for a moment, then it passes]
19:31:32 <jgreguske> rbergeron: but not at the goal yet
19:31:52 * jgreguske was late and missed discussion if their was any
19:31:56 <rbergeron> jgreguske: ooh, nice :) I don't suppose I could convince you to update the ticket with some basic info by chance?
19:32:03 * rbergeron knows dgilmore is insanely busy atm
19:32:08 <rbergeron> https://fedorahosted.org/rel-eng/ticket/4808
19:32:12 <jgreguske> rbergeron: certainly
19:32:24 <rbergeron> jgreguske: thanks, that would be awesome. just so we're all on the same page...
19:32:57 <rbergeron> well folks.
19:33:00 <rbergeron> I think that's it then.
19:33:09 * gholms calls this meeting to order
19:33:11 <gholms> :P
19:33:19 <rbergeron> [You wait for someone to make a snarky statement in brackets]
19:33:25 <rbergeron> ;)
19:33:39 <rbergeron> thanks, everyone.
19:33:41 <rbergeron> #endmeeting