05:02:26 <tagoh> #startmeeting i18n
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05:02:32 <tagoh> #meetingname i18n
05:02:32 <zodbot> The meeting name has been set to 'i18n'
05:02:40 <tagoh> #topic agenda and roll call
05:02:53 <tagoh> https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/I18N/Meetings/2011-07-21
05:03:23 <tagoh> hi guys, let's have i18n meeting
05:03:31 <tagoh> who else here today?
05:03:51 <juhp> hi
05:04:18 <paragan> hi
05:04:20 <tagoh> please add any topics if we're missing anything else or bring up at the end of meeting.
05:04:29 <epico_laptop> hi
05:05:36 <fujiwarat> hi
05:05:57 <tagoh> okay, let's get started then
05:06:01 <tagoh> #topic F16
05:06:22 <tagoh> https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Features/GnomeInputIntegration
05:06:45 <tagoh> it has been accepted for f16 now
05:06:54 <juhp> yes
05:07:33 <juhp> fujiwarat, I was thinking again about ibus and xkb...
05:07:36 <tagoh> any particular concerns or info to share in this meeting so far?
05:07:54 <fujiwarat> juhp: ok
05:08:15 <juhp> fujiwarat, what about local xkb configuration?
05:08:30 <juhp> eg user might swap Caps and Ctrl say
05:09:16 <juhp> actually I forget how we came to have xkb maps translated into ibus...
05:09:58 <juhp> I feel like ibus should "talk" to xkb maybe not replace it?
05:10:55 <juhp> fujiwarat, can you comment?
05:11:15 <tagoh> is it in the scope on this feature?
05:11:31 <juhp> I feel so
05:11:55 <fujiwarat> What do you mean to replace the xkb maps? I'd expect that users launch 'g-c-c  region'!?
05:13:31 <fujiwarat> Currently ibus shows the session xkb keymaps as the 'default' layout engine and it would be read-only.
05:13:34 <juhp> fujiwarat, I mean I feel it is better if ibus just did the equivalent of setxkbmap per IC, but perhaps I am misunderstanding the implementation
05:13:39 <juhp> okay
05:14:02 <dingyichen> hi
05:14:34 <fujiwarat> Yes, I agree the design is very important for us.
05:15:28 <juhp> I guess I need to test a bit more perhaps... I think hash claimed that recent ibus overrode his swap-caps-ctrl setting or whatever extension xkb calls it
05:15:58 <tagoh> is it filed in bz?
05:16:45 <juhp> so ibus only uses xkb for the system layout?
05:16:49 <juhp> tagoh: no :(
05:17:12 <juhp> I was asking him to do that but he seems a bit frustrated to do that...
05:17:21 <tagoh> heh
05:17:26 <fujiwarat> juhp: Yes. it does. Maybe I understood one problem. Let's talk about it later :).
05:18:16 <tagoh> https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/QA/Fedora_16_test_days
05:18:37 <juhp> fujiwarat, can we have a testday for ibus for F16?
05:18:46 <tagoh> we have 3 slots for i18n testing
05:18:51 <juhp> 3?
05:18:58 <juhp> wow
05:18:58 <tagoh> yep
05:19:14 <tagoh> well, actually we had in f15 time frame as well
05:19:50 <tagoh> translations, installation and desktop testing
05:20:11 <tagoh> we may need to create/update testcases for ibus
05:20:45 <juhp> maybe we need to talk to Noriko about the scope... hmm
05:20:59 <tagoh> to have efficient feedbacks of what we are about to change in this release.
05:21:13 * juhp hadn't noticed the l10n/i18n test-week fully until now...
05:21:33 <juhp> I still wonder if it might not be better to have a separate TestDay for ibus for the Feature
05:22:13 <tagoh> well, we could have another testing if it's hard to have certain amount of testing
05:22:45 <juhp> I mean https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Test_Day:2011-08-26_I18n_Desktop could be quite broad and dilute the ibus testing
05:23:01 <juhp> or both might be ideal
05:23:26 <tagoh> sure. it's not for ibus only right
05:23:38 <juhp> hmm though contra-argument might be it is too much hmmm
05:23:53 <tagoh> but it may be better update the testcase to ensure no regressions at least
05:24:13 <juhp> right but I don't think testcases cover the new Features
05:24:27 <tagoh> current testcase isn't enough to cover that since we are going to change in xkb thing perhaps
05:24:36 <tagoh> yep
05:24:37 <juhp> yeah
05:24:54 <tagoh> that's why I said the above to create/update testcase :)
05:24:56 <juhp> hmm I still feel a separate testday would be more focused
05:25:00 <juhp> sure
05:25:06 <juhp> we could integrate them
05:25:09 <fujiwarat> Maybe I hope major IMEs have their string icons on gnome-shell ibus icon instead of the default language prefix.
05:25:18 <juhp> fujiwarat, yes
05:25:44 <juhp> fujiwarat, which IMEs have been updated so far?
05:26:57 <fujiwarat> juhp: I guess m17n, table, chewing might not be finished.
05:27:08 <fujiwarat> and indic?
05:27:26 <fujiwarat> and pinyin :).
05:27:48 <juhp> so in conclusion: anthy and hangul so far?
05:28:23 <fujiwarat> Yes, my understanding is, anthy, hangul, mozc, skk are done.
05:28:53 * juhp failed to boot rawhide live on his old testbox yesterday :-/
05:28:58 <juhp> fujiwarat, cool
05:29:14 <juhp> fujiwarat, could you file bugs for the rest please?
05:29:35 <fujiwarat> Oh, I see.
05:30:42 <tagoh> fujiwarat: so can you update testcases for test days if we are missing there for any regression testing at least?
05:30:57 <tagoh> even good to have new one for feature testing though
05:31:54 <fujiwarat> tagoh: Do you mean to update QA:Testcase_i18n_input_method wiki page?
05:32:40 <fujiwarat> Ah, QA:Testcase_i18n_ibus_input
05:32:41 <tagoh> would rather be QA:Testcase_i18n_ibus_input
05:32:46 <tagoh> right
05:32:48 <fujiwarat> ok, sure.
05:32:55 <juhp> okay
05:33:12 <tagoh> also good to add one if you particularly need some feedbacks for something
05:33:21 <juhp> does someone want to put their name down on the TestDay page?
05:33:56 <tagoh> I can join as usual
05:35:02 <juhp> cool
05:35:23 <tagoh> okay, anything else for f16?
05:36:08 <tagoh> fwiw add the blocker/nth bugs tracking for i18n back in dashsboard
05:36:59 <tagoh> dunno if we have anything so far but maybe good to go through bz once
05:37:06 <dingyichen> fujiwarat, in order to have the string icons, the new format of <inputMethod>.xml is a must?
05:37:50 <fujiwarat> dingyichen: Yes, the <symbol></symbol> tag is needed.
05:37:57 <juhp> yeah do we have any high priority bugs for f16?
05:38:54 <tagoh> does anyone have any bugs you're concerned for alpha?
05:38:56 <juhp> .bug 711641
05:38:58 <zodbot> juhp: Bug 711641 capplet support on GNOME3 - https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=711641
05:39:06 <juhp> any change for this yet btw?
05:39:18 <tagoh> wip
05:39:23 <juhp> nice
05:41:43 <tagoh> so no bugs blocking release so far?
05:43:22 <tagoh> okay, guess better move on.
05:43:33 <tagoh> #topic Input Methods
05:43:45 <tagoh> any updates on IM?
05:44:23 <tagoh> juhp: any updates for multilib btw?
05:45:10 <juhp> afraid not sorry
05:45:20 <tagoh> okay
05:45:22 <juhp> quite slipped through my cracks
05:45:45 <juhp> to be honest I even forgot my Action Item
05:46:35 <fujiwarat> ibus- will be available soon. It improves the lookup window on gnome-shell. The test is appreciate.
05:46:52 <juhp> fujiwarat, what is new there?
05:47:12 <juhp> fujiwarat, I think it is good to give updates a full week in testing before pushing btw
05:47:18 <fujiwarat> It's a clutter based lookup window.
05:47:27 <juhp> or karma 3
05:47:29 <juhp> aha
05:48:02 <juhp> nice
05:48:03 <tagoh> juhp: yeah, that would be nice to have certain testing
05:49:41 <tagoh> okay, anything else on this topic?
05:51:41 <tagoh> let's move on then
05:51:48 <tagoh> #topic Fonts and Rendering
05:52:15 <tagoh> any updates?
05:54:18 <tagoh> not yet response in upstream though getting rid of apple roman support from fontconfig seems fixing wrong assignments of characters in some fonts
05:54:38 <tagoh> had testing for that last week
05:56:40 <tagoh> anything else?
05:56:56 <tagoh> or anything we are missing in the agenda?
05:57:27 <paragn> just want to mention that I have released inscript2 maps
05:57:46 <juhp> paragan, url?
05:57:52 <tagoh> cool - saw that mail in the list
05:57:59 <juhp> aha
05:58:16 <paragn> and the project page is https://fedorahosted.org/inscript2
05:58:42 <paragn> its the implementation based on draft release by CDAC
06:01:41 <tagoh> anything else?
06:02:42 <tagoh> if not, let's close the meeting shortly
06:04:43 <tagoh> okay, thanks everyone for the meeting!
06:04:53 <tagoh> #endmeeting