05:04:48 <tagoh> #startmeeting i18n
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05:04:53 <tagoh> #meetingname i38n
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05:05:01 <tagoh> #topic agenda and roll call
05:05:11 <juhp> hi
05:05:14 <tagoh> https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/I18N/Meetings/2011-07-07
05:05:30 <tagoh> hi guys, let's have i18n meeting
05:05:45 <fujiwarat> hi
05:06:31 <tagoh> who else here?
05:06:33 <dueno> hi
05:06:59 <epico_laptop> hi
05:10:06 <dingyichen> hi
05:10:18 <tagoh> #meetingname i18n
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05:10:52 <tagoh> okay, let's get started then
05:10:59 <tagoh> #topic F16
05:13:19 <tagoh> as noticed in the last meeting, feature submission deadline is coming next Tuesday. so this meeting may be last chance to have a public discussion in the meeting for that.
05:13:48 <juhp> ah yes right
05:15:13 <tagoh> hm missed FontConfigurationTool in the agenda page
05:15:21 <tagoh> updated
05:15:23 <juhp> any thoughts? on the Input Integration feature
05:16:08 <tagoh> nope from me.
05:17:09 <juhp> any interest to submit it as a feature?
05:18:09 <tagoh> epico_laptop: apparently feature page for font configuration tool is still incomplete. any plans to fill in? or do you postpone that submission to the later release?
05:18:46 <epico_laptop> prefer to the later release.
05:20:00 <epico_laptop> maybe fill it later.
05:20:40 <tagoh> juhp: would be nice to have it as feature IMHO
05:20:54 <tagoh> epico_laptop: aha. okay
05:21:38 <juhp> yes
05:21:58 <juhp> fujiwarat, any comments?
05:22:19 * epico_laptop is not sure about how much time jni needs for font configuration tool.
05:22:20 <juhp> I am happy to help revise/review the page
05:22:57 <fujiwarat> juhp: Are you talking about f16 ibus?
05:23:20 <juhp> epico_laptop, given that the design is not even prepared I agree - probably better to leave for later
05:23:26 <juhp> fujiwarat, correct
05:23:42 <juhp> specifically https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Features/GnomeInputIntegration
05:23:43 <epico_laptop> juhp: yes. thanks.
05:24:08 <fujiwarat> I tried to contact upstream in this week but I could not get any feedbacks. Much time might be needed.
05:24:33 <tagoh> how about from the desktop team?
05:24:44 <juhp> okay
05:25:33 <juhp> I haven't tried to contact them yet
05:25:39 <fujiwarat> I don't contact desktop team. However I think most staffs from the team always join upstream.
05:26:39 <fujiwarat> US may be vacation?
05:27:16 <juhp> anyway I guess the most important thing is the implementation the feature page is just really a bonus
05:27:46 <juhp> fujiwarat, when do you think the new indicator "icons" will be working rawhide? :)
05:28:23 <juhp> s/really a/really just/
05:29:25 <fujiwarat> Hmm.., what's name of bot :)?
05:29:51 <fujiwarat> . 717831
05:30:05 <juhp> .bug 717831
05:30:07 <zodbot> juhp: Bug 717831 use old icon for desktops other than gnome - https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=717831
05:30:27 <fujiwarat> juhp: Are you talking about bug 717831?
05:30:36 <tagoh> well, if getting involved with upstream is in doubt, we could even go with updating scope a bit. apparently the recent change in ibus is worth adding relnotes as feature. it's so bigger change than previous release IMHO
05:31:09 <juhp> tagoh: right - certainly there will be relnotes
05:31:41 <fujiwarat> Delivering ibus-gnome3 might be good for now since several applications also provides the plugins recently in fedora.
05:31:43 <juhp> fujiwarat, https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/File:IBus-GJS2.png
05:31:55 <juhp> aha
05:32:13 <juhp> not the old icons but new :)
05:32:13 <fujiwarat> juhp: sure
05:32:31 <juhp> symbols
05:32:37 <tagoh> honestly it looks like still needing more testing. so we should wait for a while prior to push f15 updates, but anyway.
05:32:52 <juhp> tagoh: I feel so too
05:33:01 <juhp> fujiwarat, how do you think?
05:33:36 <juhp> the new update looks like an improvement at least :)
05:33:41 <juhp> in testing I mean
05:34:33 <fujiwarat> ok, probably it's good. Will you guy and girls use f16 ibus?
05:34:42 <juhp> yep
05:34:46 <juhp> I am testing with rawhide
05:35:15 <fujiwarat> OK.
05:35:22 <juhp> current rawhide actually seems reasonably stable
05:35:26 <tagoh> there should be nice testing event in alpha and beta this time. so we should get enough feedbacks on it as well
05:35:40 <juhp> though you never knows what's next with rawhide of course
05:35:48 <juhp> yeah
05:35:59 <juhp> TestDays would be good
05:36:26 <juhp> maybe a good alternative to a Feature ;)
05:36:56 <juhp> though we could still try to brush the Feature up this week
05:37:09 <tagoh> yep
05:37:18 <fujiwarat> juhp: What do you think the new Control + Space? Probably it's the critical point how we treat about IME on/off.
05:38:10 <tagoh> there may be some drawback after submitting this feature. so good to do that somewhat earlier maybe.
05:38:16 <juhp> fujiwarat, right still a bit unsure - perhaps we need to provide two toggles (on/off and previous IME?), hmm
05:38:17 <pravins> hi
05:38:34 <juhp> tagoh: pushback?
05:38:47 <juhp> yeah
05:39:03 <fujiwarat> ok
05:39:06 <tagoh> juhp: questions etc from FESCo
05:39:11 <juhp> yep
05:39:12 <juhp> ok
05:40:27 <fujiwarat> thx.
05:40:29 <juhp> tagoh: so for f16 we will keep separate IM config I suppose
05:40:54 <tagoh> okay
05:40:59 <juhp> sorry I have to go offline for a moment because of some electrical work here... power outage
05:41:06 <juhp> bbs
05:41:22 <tagoh> sure
05:41:40 <tagoh> okay, anything else?
05:42:44 <fujiwarat> All: Probably IBusEngineDesc symbol is ok but hotkeys is not stable. So the symbol only makes sense for stable at present. thx.
05:43:33 <tagoh> fujiwarat: okay, sounds good. so engines needs to revert hotkey change as well? or ibus will simply ignore it?
05:44:44 <fujiwarat> If you have already integrated hotkeys in each engine, probably it needs to be reverted.
05:44:59 <tagoh> hm, okay
05:46:10 <tagoh> okay, better move on
05:46:16 <tagoh> #topic Input Methods
05:46:56 <tagoh> well, looks like same topic as well as the previous topic though, anything? :)
05:47:32 <tagoh> any concerns or any testing packages for volunteers etc?
05:47:49 <pravins> i am thinking to start work on english-typing-booster, yet not collected data as well :)
05:48:06 <tagoh> aha
05:48:13 <pravins> only problem here i am thinking is there are still some bugs in ibus-indic-tables, so need to resolve those as well
05:48:27 <pravins> will take a looks at it as well if time permits
05:48:53 <tagoh> well, dumb question but what locale is it supposed to work on?
05:49:16 <pravins> tagoh: good point
05:49:33 <pravins> actually it depends on db we are using background
05:49:49 <pravins> so we need to check db supporting which locale, and we can support only those locales
05:49:58 <tagoh> aha
05:50:22 <pravins> tagoh: even i am not sure how much it will useful right now, so will do some feasibility test first
05:50:36 <pravins> will do that by next week
05:50:39 <tagoh> I see
05:51:21 <tagoh> anything else?
05:51:33 <pravins> thats it :)
05:51:49 <tagoh> will postpone multilib discussion btw
05:52:45 <tagoh> okay, let's move on then
05:52:53 <tagoh> #topic Fonts and Rendering
05:54:07 <pravins> tagoh: from last couple of weeks i am working on https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=640607
05:54:15 <pravins> .bug 640607
05:54:17 <zodbot> pravins: Bug 640607 [te_IN] Text cut on left hand side for some composite characters - https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=640607
05:54:24 <tagoh> there may be an improvment in fontconfig upstream for handling of ll vs ll-cc in lang comparison though, didn't have a time to test it yet.
05:54:46 <tagoh> pravins: cool
05:55:04 <pravins> as i feared it has lots of issues, so solving one by one
05:55:21 <pravins> i am thinking by f16 we will get perfect telugu rendering
05:55:26 <tagoh> okay, good start :)
05:55:42 <tagoh> nice. looking forward to see that then. thanks!
05:55:44 <pravins> yeah its pending from long time, thanks
05:55:47 <pravins> sure
05:56:39 <tagoh> okay, anything else?
05:57:32 <tagoh> or anything else topic we missed in the agenda?
05:57:54 <pravins> tagoh: might be you aware of https://www.desktopsummit.org/about
05:58:53 <tagoh> sure. is anyone planning to attend? :)
05:59:18 <pravins> no idea yet :)
06:01:03 <tagoh> okay, let's close the meeting shortly unless no one has more topics
06:01:09 <pravins> yes
06:01:43 <tagoh> okay, thanks everyone for the meeting!
06:02:18 <tagoh> #endmeeting