14:34:35 <gbraad> #startmeeting FAmSCo
14:34:35 <zodbot> Meeting started Sat Jun 18 14:34:35 2011 UTC.  The chair is gbraad. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.
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14:34:51 <gbraad> #chair yn1v igorps
14:34:51 <zodbot> Current chairs: gbraad igorps yn1v
14:34:58 <gbraad> #topic Rollcall
14:35:01 <gbraad> .fas gbraad
14:35:05 <zodbot> gbraad: gbraad 'Gerard Braad (吉拉德)' <fedora@gbraad.nl>
14:35:18 <yn1v> .fas yn1v
14:35:19 <zodbot> yn1v: yn1v 'Neville A. Cross' <neville@taygon.com>
14:35:25 <igorps> .fas igorps
14:35:26 <zodbot> igorps: igor 'Igor Pires Soares' <igor@projetofedora.org>
14:35:32 <gbraad> #topic Old items
14:35:56 <gbraad> the agenda is published on http://www.fedora.redhat.com/wiki/FAmSCo_agenda
14:36:09 <gbraad> thanks for attending and saving my ass ;-)
14:36:21 <igorps> gbraad: You're welcome :)
14:36:32 <gbraad> #topic FUDCon bidding
14:37:09 <gbraad> as you have noticed, recently jsmith announced there was a posibility of hosting a FUDCon for APAC
14:37:21 <gbraad> at the moment India and China have shown interest
14:37:47 <gbraad> I am still busy with finalizing trhe bidding page. currently flight and hotel information needs to be added
14:37:55 <igorps> gbraad: what are the possible dates?
14:37:56 <yn1v> india has the opportunity of making the biggest famsco ever
14:37:58 <gbraad> I have been offered help by the local RH office
14:38:25 <gbraad> at the moment we are aiming for the weekend of 11-11-2011
14:38:33 <igorps> gbraad: that helps a lot
14:38:57 <gbraad> I have not seen the bid page for India, but I am sure it must exist
14:38:58 <yn1v> yes, having RH support will make a lot of things easier
14:39:26 <gbraad> two locations are possible for hosting the event in Beijing; both are universities
14:39:41 <igorps> here it is:
14:39:44 <igorps> #link https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FUDCon:India_2011
14:39:50 <gbraad> just hope all the information can be available before the 23rd
14:40:33 <gbraad> igorps: that is not a big page :-s
14:40:38 <gbraad> s/big/bid
14:41:03 <igorps> gbraad: it's not indeed
14:41:16 <igorps> they might need to fix it
14:41:19 <gbraad> #link http://www.fedora.redhat.com/wiki/FUDCon:Bid_for_Beijing_2011
14:41:35 <gbraad> is the page for Beijing/China at the moment
14:42:18 <igorps> gbraad: any posible sponsors in mind?
14:43:16 <gbraad> redhat engineering in China will help, but also Mozilla China
14:43:21 <yn1v> gbraad, I would like to expend my birth day in China :D ... how can I help you ?
14:43:42 <gbraad> have not heard from China Unix yet, but it am sure they will help.
14:43:48 <gbraad> deadline is very short :-s
14:44:02 <gbraad> yn1v: provide flight information on the wiki would help
14:44:58 <yn1v> I would post all direct flights from Managua to Beijing :D
14:45:24 <gbraad> I have nothing more to add... but the India page looks weird. Bidding deadline did not finish yet :-s
14:45:26 <igorps> yn1v is getting pretty good at flight information
14:45:47 <gbraad> igorps yn1v: anything to add could help
14:45:49 <yn1v> but sure, I will look other options as well
14:46:00 <igorps> gbraad: we should contact them to change it
14:46:08 <igorps> I can post  that on fudcon planning
14:46:51 <yn1v> It is paradox... as I am getting hang of all the flight stuff I stating to hate it
14:46:54 <igorps> it looks like the india page was based on an actual fudcon template not  the bid one
14:47:08 <gbraad> #action igrops will ask on fudcon-planning to alter FUDConIndia to follow the bid page structure
14:47:19 <yn1v> I will write to Rahul to tip him about that
14:47:33 <gbraad> igorps: maybe the reason why I started off wrong last weekend. I think I took their structure
14:47:53 <gbraad> no action needed?
14:47:55 <gbraad> #undo
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14:48:09 <gbraad> ok, moving on
14:48:09 <igorps> gbraad: probably so
14:48:13 <yn1v> #action write to mether to point the difference in page structure
14:48:35 <igorps> gbraad: you can keep my action point :)
14:48:38 <gbraad> pierros is not here, so igor?
14:48:51 <gbraad> #action igrops will ask on fudcon-planning to alter FUDConIndia to follow the bid page structure[5~
14:49:05 <igorps> the FAmSCo report is published
14:49:19 <igorps> #link https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FAmSCo_report_2011-05
14:49:34 <gbraad> igorps: thanks again for this
14:50:10 <igorps> we are trying to finish some tasks to FISL with help from yn1v
14:50:11 * gbraad wants to point out something he noticed: 'less meeting in the last month'
14:50:56 <igorps> gbraad: I also noticed that
14:51:04 <yn1v> I am a bit afraid of that ...
14:51:45 <gbraad> seems some people also forget the time opf the meeting
14:51:48 <yn1v> as we have less people every one it is more important
14:52:10 <igorps> we also lack meeting reminders
14:52:42 <yn1v> that may help
14:52:43 <igorps> sending them to the list is helpful
14:52:47 <gbraad> igorps: I remember these were not that important, but might be a good idea again to inform about the time
14:53:09 <gbraad> at least no new items have been added to the recent agenda
14:53:43 <igorps> sometimes people jus forget, so it's good to send a reminder
14:54:08 <igorps> I'll be busy in the following couple week with my graduation
14:54:25 <igorps> so I probably won't add anything new during that time :)
14:54:31 <gbraad> igorps: success and thanks for informing
14:54:52 <igorps> gbraad: thank you! :)
14:55:12 <yn1v> yes, good luck !
14:55:12 <igorps> yn1v: how is the survey going?
14:55:29 <igorps> yn1v: Thanks! :)
14:55:33 <gbraad> I wanted to ask that, but before we move on; 'the Mentor town halls'
14:55:57 <yn1v> I send an email inviting
14:56:08 <yn1v> I think that I have to send another as reminder
14:56:33 <igorps> yn1v: +1
14:56:58 <yn1v> I am going to host one town hall and pierros will host the other, but not sure who is hosting which one
14:56:58 <igorps> yn1v: it will be next Monday, right?
14:57:04 <yn1v> yes
14:57:41 <gbraad> please send a reminder ;-)
14:58:04 <gbraad> ok, thanks. moveing on the the surevey
14:58:24 <yn1v> I will look to secure help from channel operators, it will be award if the person hosting can not send bot commands
14:58:43 <igorps> gbraad: if you are going to post the meeting minutes in the mailing list also add a note about the Town Halls on the same email
14:59:28 <yn1v> about the survey
14:59:41 <gbraad> igorps: I will
15:00:05 <yn1v> I blog a sneak peek and it made to the planet
15:00:35 <igorps> yn1v: I read it. Sounds good.
15:00:53 <yn1v> I will check after meeting a post a mail to famsco list to let every body know how numbers are
15:01:14 <igorps> but it looks like we did not have more answers after the reminders sent to the list
15:01:29 <yn1v> total entries, partials and completed
15:01:32 <gbraad> yn1v I am very curious. especially if we are doing well on regional representation
15:01:35 <igorps> maybe after the blog post things have improved
15:02:27 <igorps> gbraad: the preliminary results already provide some good insights
15:03:19 <yn1v> my first surprise was to have more or less equal responses from every region.
15:03:30 <gbraad> ok, anything more to add?
15:03:55 <gbraad> I think we need to discus this topic in more detail later when more members are present
15:04:20 <igorps> or in the mailing list
15:04:46 <yn1v> As I see the survey, I will post a general result
15:05:19 <yn1v> then we came with questions and I will smash numbers differently to see new answers
15:06:26 <gbraad> ok, thanks. moving on
15:06:31 <igorps> #action yn1v to post preliminary survey results on FAmSCo mailing list
15:06:54 <gbraad> no actions exist for neville.
15:07:12 * gbraad meant to say: 'action points'
15:07:29 <gbraad> #topic Open Floor
15:08:22 <yn1v> at the time I post in the planet we have 73 entries, 55 completed and 18 partials. Right now we have 77 entries, 57 completed and 20 partials.
15:09:35 <gbraad> could you post a link to the meeting already?
15:09:47 <yn1v> as open floor ... what about rpmdev t-shirts ?
15:10:09 <igorps> gbraad: the action point was about what yn1v stated earlier
15:10:24 <igorps> yn1v: not sure if they updated the ticket
15:10:55 <yn1v> they updated the ticket, but so far there is not wiki page
15:11:24 <gbraad> sorry for moving on, but did not get a response. might be a lag, since I use a detour from the Netherlands
15:11:51 <yn1v> other thing is that the ticket said it is a receipt not a quotation
15:12:45 <yn1v> rpmdev is a iniciative to train and sponsor new packagers, and they are awarding a nice t-shirt to new packagers
15:13:15 <yn1v> to me seems a good idea but rather expensive in execution.
15:13:22 <igorps> As far as I understood they are willing to produce 15 t-shirts
15:13:51 <igorps> totalizing 749.70 dolars
15:14:02 <gbraad> :-o
15:14:05 <igorps> we need to find a cheaper alternative
15:14:21 <yn1v> For fudcon panama they have some, and that budget did not come from famsco. So that's why this was kind of new for most of famsco members
15:15:25 <igorps> The t-shirt idea is really nice but cutting the costs is needed here
15:15:32 <yn1v> as I saw in the ticket it is not a quotation, it is a receipt ... meaning that it has been done
15:15:39 <gbraad> to me it sounds very expensive
15:15:48 <igorps> gbraad: +1
15:15:49 <yn1v> extraordinary expensive
15:16:08 <gbraad> yn1v: you took the words out of my might. yes
15:16:08 <igorps> yn1v: maybe it is a pre-order
15:16:23 <gbraad> nonetheless absurdly expensive
15:16:42 <gbraad> sounds more likely to have been 150 pcs
15:16:59 <yn1v> I will try to contact jsmith on this, as he know about the first order.
15:17:06 <igorps> I'll add a comment asking for further clarification
15:17:32 <gbraad> create action points please
15:17:33 <yn1v> those are long sleeve polos with embroided on the back. So it is more that just a plain t-shirt
15:18:08 <yn1v> #action y1nv will ask jmisth about rpmdev polo shirts
15:18:10 <igorps> I say them. They are really good t-shirts
15:18:24 <yn1v> but it seems very expensive anyway
15:18:24 <igorps> saw*
15:18:32 <gbraad> t-shirts and polo shirts are not same.
15:18:39 <gbraad> this might explain the prices
15:18:57 <gbraad> however, it might still be good to ask
15:19:28 <yn1v> one polo for $50 it is still expensive
15:19:28 <igorps> #action igorps to update ticket #193 asking for further clarification
15:19:50 <yn1v> I think that rpmdev should have a wiki page.
15:20:02 <gbraad> +1
15:20:15 <igorps> if this is just a pre-order I will recommend making another one to compare prices
15:20:16 <yn1v> to advertise themselves toward the rest of the project
15:20:35 <igorps> yn1v: will add that as well :)
15:20:59 <gbraad> anything else to add?
15:21:02 <yn1v> I can get a local quote.
15:21:41 <igorps> yn1v: +1
15:21:46 <igorps> gbraad: nothing else from me
15:22:10 <gbraad> ok, also not from me
15:22:14 <yn1v> same here
15:22:29 <gbraad> ok, ending the meeting in 10 seconds
15:22:56 <gbraad> #endmeeting