23:06:45 <jjmcd> #startmeeting Docs Project Meeting 23:06:45 <zodbot> Meeting started Wed Jun 15 23:06:45 2011 UTC. The chair is jjmcd. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 23:06:45 <zodbot> Useful Commands: #action #agreed #halp #info #idea #link #topic. 23:06:53 <jjmcd> #agenda Roll Call 23:07:02 <jjmcd> #topic Roll Call 23:07:06 * jjmcd 23:07:15 * sgordon 23:07:17 * rudi is here 23:08:26 <Sparks> I'm here! 23:08:36 <jjmcd> coolness 23:08:46 <jjmcd> looks like jhradilek and fnadge left 23:08:55 <jjmcd> #topic Last week's action items 23:09:08 <jjmcd> jjjmcd to chek known issues page 23:09:42 <jjmcd> OK, the issue wasn't there, but before I wrote something, I wanted to check with dgrift and be sure I understaood it 23:09:59 * jhradilek is here with a steaming cup of gunpowder tea. 23:10:06 <jjmcd> #action jjmcd to check with dgrift on Ubuntu migration / policycoreutils 23:10:11 <jjmcd> Ahhhh ;-) 23:10:28 <jjmcd> I think that was all the action items we recorded ... *BUT* 23:10:47 <jjmcd> rudi was going to check upstream on the F15 / FOP issues. Any progress? 23:11:19 <rudi> jjmcd -- well, I consulted with both the Fedora Java SIG *and* with upstream FOP 23:11:23 <rudi> Crickets :( 23:11:31 <jjmcd> great! 23:11:40 <sgordon> whoot 23:11:53 <rudi> So I'll keep chipping away at it... 23:12:00 <jjmcd> Also, any joy on the web encoding issue? I was going to check into that too, and didn;t 23:12:14 <rudi> No sorry, haven't touched that this week 23:12:26 <rudi> FOP is a much higher priority :/ 23:12:35 <jjmcd> Yeah, I get that 23:12:52 <jjmcd> #action rudi to continut to follow up on FOP issue 23:13:03 <Sparks> rudi: Should we put the word out that we need a java person? 23:13:20 <rudi> Sparks -- that would be awesome 23:13:29 <rudi> I'm happy for any help I can get! 23:13:35 <jjmcd> I seem to recall jsmith was beating the bushes 23:13:49 <Sparks> rudi: Is there a ticket open with the problem notated? 23:14:03 <rudi> Yeah; hang on and I'll find it 23:14:04 <jjmcd> last weeks minutes 23:15:02 <rudi> https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=689930 23:15:10 <jjmcd> Whoa - 123 emails from nagios while I was having dinner - sheesh 23:15:23 <jjmcd> #link https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=689930 23:15:34 <jwulf> here 23:15:35 * jsmith-away arrives late to the party 23:15:46 <jjmcd> hey 23:15:48 <Sparks> Good to have jwulf and jsmith join us 23:16:03 <jjmcd> Have to go out and get more beer 23:16:04 <Sparks> rudi: I'll see if I can beat the bushes some 23:16:06 <jwulf> thanks Sparks 23:16:22 <jjmcd> OK, and so we don't forget ... 23:16:44 <jjmcd> #action jjmcd and rudi to continue to follow up on non-Latin characters in web 23:17:27 <jjmcd> Nothing new on Release Notes, so lets move on to guides - feels like there has been a lot happening 23:17:37 <jjmcd> #topic Guide Status 23:17:47 <Sparks> I have news... 23:17:52 <jjmcd> Sparks, you seem to have been on top of a lot of this 23:18:08 <Sparks> Well, I got bullied into it... :) 23:18:25 <Sparks> At SELF, jsmith and I resurrected the Documentation Guide. 23:18:37 <jsmith> It's now better than awful! 23:18:40 * jsmith ducks and hides 23:18:52 <Sparks> Yeah, but just barely better than awful. 23:18:59 <jsmith> :-) 23:19:08 <jjmcd> I was wondering .... should that be the place to put those "process" wiki pages? 23:19:12 <Sparks> But besides jsmith and I, I've seen jwulf contributing as well. 23:19:19 <Sparks> jjmcd: Probably. 23:19:48 <jjmcd> For any particular operation, there are probably 10 wiki pages telling you how to do it, at least nine of them out of date 23:19:49 <Sparks> I'd like for it to be the go-to guide for new contributors and a reminder guide for the experienced contributors 23:20:00 <Sparks> jjmcd: I agree. 23:20:45 <jwulf> probably good to have it as the canonical source of procedures - "how to do X in Fedora documentation" 23:20:48 <Sparks> I'll try to keep the draft version updated on docs.fp.o so people can see what's there. 23:20:59 <jwulf> like, "how to commit to the git repository" 23:21:01 <jwulf> ;-) 23:21:08 <jjmcd> jwulf, the issue, of course, is keeping it up to date 23:21:43 <Sparks> jwulf: Kinda chicken and the egg isn't it? 23:21:58 <jwulf> lol, yeah 23:22:13 <jwulf> i'm good to put some time into it 23:22:21 <Sparks> awesome 23:22:27 <Sparks> jjmcd: I have one other guide to talk about 23:22:33 <jjmcd> go ahead 23:22:48 <Sparks> Anything else on the Documentation Guide before I move on? 23:23:10 <Sparks> Okay... 23:23:34 <Sparks> Last year I started working on a Cloud Guide. 23:23:47 <Sparks> It didn't really go anywhere and I didn't have time to work on it. 23:24:05 <Sparks> But I'm going to try to set aside some time to do the research and writing I need to populate it. 23:24:06 <jsmith> Sparks kicked my butt at SELF and forced me to write an outline 23:24:15 <sgordon> i am guilty of repeatedly saying i will write something for that and not actually having done it yet 23:24:23 <sgordon> :p 23:24:39 <Sparks> jsmith was definitely a great asset at SELF! 23:24:48 <Sparks> sgordon: Join the club. 23:24:55 <Sparks> I think ke4qqq_ will be working on this as well. 23:25:04 <jjmcd> very cool 23:25:22 <sgordon> do we have a link to said outline? 23:25:25 <jjmcd> Does SKYWARN training qualify me to help? 23:25:27 * Sparks is sitting here in his cloud.com shirt... :) 23:25:34 <Sparks> jjmcd: Heh 23:25:40 <Sparks> sgordon: It's in git! :) 23:25:46 <jjmcd> 'bout what I know about clouds 23:25:47 <Sparks> let me get the link real quick 23:25:53 <sgordon> ok i just need to do a pull then, im pretty sure i already have a checkout 23:26:34 <Sparks> git+ssh://USER@git.fedorahosted.org/git/docs/cloud-guide.git 23:26:35 <sgordon> sure enough there it is 23:27:17 <Sparks> So those are what I plan on working on over the next few weeks. 23:27:22 <jjmcd> #info Sparks, jsmith, sgordon, ke4qqq working on cloud guide 23:27:35 <jjmcd> #link git+ssh://USER@git.fedorahosted.org/git/docs/cloud-guide.git 23:27:35 <sgordon> ok, if you can find him jclift may be able to help with aeolus/deltacloud content 23:27:44 <sgordon> as he has been working on the upstream as i understand it 23:27:59 <Sparks> awesome 23:28:19 <Sparks> #info Sparks, jwulf, jsmith working on the Documentation Guide 23:28:20 <rudi> Yeah; jclift is awesome :) 23:28:51 <jjmcd> Man, all sorts of stuff happening 23:29:04 <sgordon> i will re-visit the AmazonEC2 stuff if you like 23:29:05 <Sparks> Still need to do some maintenance on the Security Guide, too. 23:29:10 <sgordon> so action me for that chapter 23:29:27 <Sparks> sgordon: Okay. I'll stay out of that chapter, then. 23:29:30 <sgordon> i picked up some free AWS credits to play with last week :D 23:29:38 <Sparks> Awesome 23:29:42 <jjmcd> #action sgordon will re-visit AmazonEC2 chapter 23:30:13 <jjmcd> Sparks, didn't you also have something on freeipa? 23:30:28 <Sparks> jjmcd: Not me. 23:30:48 <jjmcd> K, I saw some commits, thought you were mentoring 23:31:29 <jjmcd> ANything else on guides? 23:31:29 <jhradilek> jjmcd: elladeon is responsible for FreeIPA, isn't she? 23:31:35 <sgordon> yes 23:31:54 <jjmcd> jhradilek, I think so. I thought I saw someone working with her, suspected it was Eric 23:31:58 <rudi> That broken Draft was still there last time I looked 23:32:10 <rudi> I think she didn't git rm it 23:32:20 <Sparks> jjmcd: Oh, yeah I was but I didn't do any commits 23:32:27 <Sparks> rudi: I thought I saw it gone 23:32:45 <Sparks> But it's there now 23:32:47 <Sparks> :( 23:33:00 <jjmcd> I thought I saw a commit email claiming to have deleted it, but who knows what actually happened 23:33:36 <jjmcd> Anything else on guides? 23:33:45 <Sparks> Not from me 23:33:59 <rudi> All quiet 23:34:01 <jjmcd> jhradilek? 23:34:27 <jjmcd> OK, lets move on to 23:34:34 <jjmcd> #topic Open Floor Discussion 23:34:43 <jjmcd> Anyone have anything for the good of the order? 23:34:58 <jhradilek> jjmcd: I still need to find some time to update remaining chapters in the Deployment Guide. :-) 23:35:27 <jjmcd> Pity you can't run down to WalMart and buy time. 23:35:42 <jjmcd> I'd sure like that 23:35:45 <Sparks> I'd love to have about four more hours a day 23:35:58 <jjmcd> yeah 23:36:01 <jhradilek> Or eight days a weak... 23:36:17 <jhradilek> *week 23:36:18 * jjmcd stole some time today to melt solder. Boy does that feel good. 23:36:22 <jhradilek> I cannot even type today. 23:37:02 <jjmcd> Anything? Anyone have questions now that you have some folks here that know stuff? 23:37:34 <jhradilek> Are we going to start using the list of guides again for Fedora 16? 23:37:48 <jwulf> what about Gnome 3 guidance? 23:38:08 <jjmcd> I suppose that is up to this group, and the Docs Project Leader, whoever gets suckered into that 23:38:10 <jwulf> i was thinking that would be a good document, Gnome 2 to 3 migration guide 23:38:21 <jjmcd> jwulf, we REALLY need to get G3 into the UG 23:38:23 <jwulf> since 3.1 is going to be the real rev 23:38:36 <jwulf> would we be duplicating upstream content there? 23:38:42 <jwulf> or is there no real Gnome Users Guide 23:38:57 <Sparks> I haven't seen one. There is some documentation but nothing big. 23:38:58 <jjmcd> Well, there is pretty good help 23:39:08 <jwulf> i can take a look into that 23:39:11 <jjmcd> Duplicates a lot of what we have in the UG 23:39:20 <jjmcd> *AND* it was based on F15 beta 23:39:25 <jwulf> there are lots of tips and tricks, like keyboard shortcuts etc 23:39:33 <jwulf> spread around all over the internetz 23:39:38 <jjmcd> We do have a little in the Release Notes 23:39:40 * jsmith points folks to the Gnome Shell Cheat Sheet 23:39:43 <Sparks> should include that in the UG, IMO. 23:39:50 <jwulf> yeah exactly 23:39:56 <jwulf> it's in a bunch of places 23:40:10 <jjmcd> Sp, jwulf are you volunteering to update the UG? 23:40:11 <jwulf> nice to consolidate it 23:40:31 <jwulf> sure, i'll write a content spec for it for next week 23:40:41 <jjmcd> cool! 23:40:42 <Sparks> woot! 23:40:46 <jhradilek> Nice! 23:40:58 <jjmcd> #action jwulf to write a content spec for the UG and GNOME 3 23:41:12 <rudi> jhradilek -- maintaining that guide list de facto fell to me over the last few releases 23:41:20 <rudi> I'm the one who dropped the ball for F15 23:41:23 <jwulf> gotta go afk for a few minutes 23:41:54 <jjmcd> rudi, I think all of us were AWOL for F15 to some extent 23:42:01 <jhradilek> rudi: I just asked, because for Fedora 14, it gave us a good idea of what guides are planned for the zero day. 23:42:09 <rudi> Yeah I know ;) 23:42:20 <Sparks> Yeah, this definitely didn't fall just to rudi... 23:42:32 <rudi> For the last few releases it was really our master status indicator 23:42:52 <rudi> So, the answer to the question is --- Yes! It will be back! 23:42:54 * Sparks wonders how many people are thinking about/planning on going to Ohio Linux Fest 23:42:57 <jjmcd> jhradilek, zoglesby had just taken over as team lead and then had a baby, changed countries, jobs, etc. so the ship was rudderless for F15 23:43:08 <fnadge> If nobody else jumps I would be glad to help maintaining it 23:43:26 <rudi> fnadge -- I'd be glad for the help :) 23:43:31 <jjmcd> Sparks, I'm thinking about it, but not sure. I *will* be in Findlay that Sunday 23:43:46 <fnadge> :) 23:44:04 <Sparks> was wondering if we could do a Docs FAD to hack on some docs 23:44:26 <jhradilek> FAD? 23:44:29 <jjmcd> If we could collect a few folks for a FAD then I'll make it a point to be there 23:44:35 <Sparks> Fedora Activity Day 23:44:41 <jhradilek> Oh, silly me. 23:45:00 <jjmcd> But I can't stay for Sunday, gotta be at the hamfest. Our SM is hosting an emcomm conf. 23:46:21 <jjmcd> #info Should we have a Docs FAD at OLF? 23:47:34 * jjmcd wonders if we will have a big Fedora crew at OLF this year like last year 23:47:52 <jjmcd> Anything else? 23:48:34 <jjmcd> Do we have a motion to adjourn? 23:49:00 <Sparks> so moved 23:49:09 <jjmcd> OK, then 23:49:16 <jjmcd> Thanks for coming eeryone 23:49:30 <jjmcd> Have a great week 23:49:33 <jjmcd> #endmeeting