05:02:10 <tagoh> #startmeeting i18n 05:02:10 <zodbot> Meeting started Thu Jun 9 05:02:10 2011 UTC. The chair is tagoh. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 05:02:10 <zodbot> Useful Commands: #action #agreed #halp #info #idea #link #topic. 05:02:13 <tagoh> #meetingname i18n 05:02:13 <zodbot> The meeting name has been set to 'i18n' 05:02:19 <juhp> hi 05:02:21 <tagoh> #topic agenda and roll call 05:02:30 <tagoh> https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/I18N/Meetings/2011-06-09 05:02:46 <tagoh> hi guys. time for i18n meeting. 05:03:23 <dueno> hi 05:03:24 <epico_laptop> hi 05:04:05 <paragan> hi 05:04:20 <pravins> hi 05:04:31 <fujiwarat> hi 05:05:21 <tagoh> okay, shall we start then 05:05:24 <tagoh> #topic F16 05:06:19 <tagoh> juhp: any updates for feature draft? 05:06:44 <juhp> ah sorry not yet... :( 05:06:54 <tagoh> okay 05:07:11 <juhp> let me try to post something soon to i18n list 05:07:23 <juhp> hmm time flies 05:07:28 <tagoh> ok, good 05:08:54 <dchen> hi 05:08:57 <tagoh> anything for f16 so far? 05:10:12 <tagoh> many bugs is being reported against rawhide. that would be nice to have any plans to get them fixed in f16. so good to have a little time to triage them once. 05:11:01 <tagoh> other than having a look at the eol time ;) 05:12:30 <tagoh> okay, shall we move on if no particular discussion about f16? 05:13:33 <juhp> any particular rawhide bugs standing out? 05:15:16 <tagoh> no particular I can bring up here so far, but there are some older bugs keeping open there. 05:16:16 <tagoh> once we've dealt with f13 bugs. will have some time to go through them though. 05:17:34 <tagoh> anyway, just fyi 05:17:41 <juhp> okay 05:17:55 <tagoh> #topic bugzilla house keeping 05:19:23 <tagoh> finally only 6 bugs keeps staying at f13 now. which was reported via abrt. 05:21:11 <juhp> epico_laptop, how about the ibus-pinyin abrt's? 05:21:35 <epico_laptop> can't re-produce it. 05:21:52 <tagoh> any clue from backtrace say? 05:22:04 <juhp> right hm 05:22:06 <epico_laptop> tagoh: no clue. 05:22:09 <epico_laptop> sorry 05:22:31 <juhp> maybe we could just close them insufficient_data? 05:22:47 <epico_laptop> juhp: ok. will close it. 05:22:53 <tagoh> no similar report on f14, f15 or rawhide? 05:23:16 <epico_laptop> tagoh: report from f15 is closed, no report from f14. 05:23:22 <tagoh> aha. ok 05:23:44 <epico_laptop> clost the two? 05:24:42 <juhp> if we can't do anything about maybe then better just to close to clean up 05:24:50 <juhp> then maybe 05:25:08 <juhp> them, even 05:25:51 * tagoh needs a real solution to avoid changing components accidentally 05:25:53 <tagoh> sigh 05:26:16 <juhp> ah chromium back? 05:26:26 <tagoh> is it a chrome specific? 05:26:34 <juhp> webkit I think 05:26:50 <tagoh> aha 05:27:00 <juhp> there is an upstream open for it (still?) I think 05:27:09 <juhp> very annoying yes... 05:27:18 <tagoh> I see 05:28:23 <tagoh> need some actions for stardict as well 05:29:12 <tagoh> tried to see them yesterday though, it works for me 05:31:26 <tagoh> okay, better move on 05:31:36 <tagoh> #topic Package Updates 05:32:37 <tagoh> anything? 05:33:31 <pravins> i build lohit assamese bengali and kannada with .conf update 05:33:44 <pravins> not pushed in bodhi 05:33:55 <pravins> since looks like its better to fix that issues from QT itself 05:34:01 <tagoh> right 05:34:22 <tagoh> maybe good to revert the change? 05:35:12 <pravins> yeah 05:35:14 <tagoh> so far at least. 05:35:16 <pravins> will do that 05:35:20 <tagoh> cool 05:35:22 <pravins> thanks tagoh 05:37:50 <tagoh> may need some testers for ibus perhaps? 05:38:00 <juhp> aha 05:38:09 <tagoh> https://admin.fedoraproject.org/updates/ibus-1.3.99.20110419-2.fc15 05:39:42 <fujiwarat> yes 05:40:29 <tagoh> ok 05:40:29 * epico_laptop will help on Chinese test. 05:41:16 <tagoh> anything else? otherwise let's move on to next topic then 05:42:42 <tagoh> #topic Input Methods 05:43:37 <tagoh> just reminds me we suspended a discussion about bug 452938 due to the time limitation though, need more discuss on it? 05:43:52 <tagoh> .bug 452938 05:43:54 <zodbot> tagoh: Bug 452938 gtk should handle missing multilib immodules more gracefully - https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=452938 05:44:52 <juhp> yeah 05:45:13 <juhp> actually I realised the problem seems to go beyond immodules even 05:45:42 <tagoh> right 05:45:43 <juhp> as in gtk can also have multilib problems with theme engines etc 05:46:03 <juhp> actually happens with XFCE which sets GTK_PATH by default... 05:46:17 <tagoh> so good to escalate it to yum then? 05:47:08 <juhp> well as xfce upstream also maintained gtk should really be a bit smarter than just loading modules for another arch regardless 05:47:20 <juhp> maintained->mentioned 05:47:53 <tagoh> aha 05:48:12 <juhp> but ok themes is somewhat different - since it is so much a fallback issue 05:48:53 <juhp> erm well - it is kind of same perhaps - fallback theme is about as simple as gtkinputcontextsimple 05:49:36 <juhp> not completely sure how to proceed though 05:49:46 <juhp> some options: 05:50:06 <juhp> - try to discuss upstream or with the gnome desktop team 05:50:46 <juhp> - well tagoh already posted a possible patch 05:50:56 <tagoh> wonder if other distros has same issue? 05:50:58 <juhp> - yum hacks? 05:51:11 <juhp> good question 05:52:27 <juhp> I suspect noone has patched gtk though 05:52:44 <juhp> and ubuntu defaults to xim? 05:53:45 <tagoh> debian-based system takes different way for multilib. not like fedora does. 05:53:49 <juhp> perhaps some hack could be added to yum-langpacks to slurp in missing multilib immodules 05:54:07 <juhp> yeah but with xim it doesn't really matter here :) 05:54:36 <tagoh> and it depends on packaging. 05:54:58 <juhp> ok 05:55:23 <tagoh> it won't appears at all if library and immodules are in the same package 05:58:00 <tagoh> so what action should we take for next step? 06:00:27 <tagoh> apparently no one upstream is interested in this issue according to a bug activity so it may be hard to see some progress even if we file a bug to improve handling of modules 06:00:42 <tagoh> if we have some suggestions for that 06:00:49 <tagoh> ^don't 06:03:01 <tagoh> maybe good to approach yum first and gtk in some cases then? 06:03:45 <tagoh> or any idea? 06:04:26 <juhp> then perhaps yum-langpacks is the most realistic short term solution 06:04:47 <juhp> though disappointing that upstream doesn't take the multilib issue seriously 06:04:55 <juhp> hm 06:05:09 <tagoh> aha. how to deal with it on yum-langpacks? 06:06:53 <juhp> well sure if it is feasible 06:06:57 <juhp> but might work 06:07:31 <juhp> also probably gtk or immodule would have to be in the transaction 06:07:40 <juhp> not sure 06:08:23 <tagoh> hm, ok. as you said it might be likely happening on other modules, sounds a bit hack to do it in yum-langpacks since all the modules isn't necessarily related to i18n. 06:08:31 <juhp> I still think 32bit apps even attempting to load 64bit modules is a bit insane though 06:08:41 <juhp> right 06:09:18 <juhp> your fallback patch approach seems like the cleanest way to solve the im issue anyway 06:09:28 <juhp> i posted a comment in the bug now btw 06:09:57 <tagoh> hm, ok. let's see how they want to do on this issue then. 06:10:03 <tagoh> thanks 06:10:16 <tagoh> better move on 06:10:21 <tagoh> #topic Fonts and Rendering 06:10:24 <juhp> fujiwarat expressed back compat concerns - though I don't really that as serious - immodules don't contain ':'s in their names anyway 06:10:42 <tagoh> ok 06:11:00 <juhp> (ah I see - guess problem is running fallback list on older gtk 06:11:01 <juhp> ) 06:11:08 <juhp> hm 06:11:21 <fujiwarat> I think it's a problem. 06:11:25 <tagoh> not too much time to keep meeting open. so please update quickly if there are anything on fonts and rendering. sorry ;) 06:11:30 <juhp> but hopefully that should not happen 06:12:01 <juhp> fujiwarat, I guess it will fallback to contextsimple immodule then ;) :) 06:12:29 <juhp> I wanted to discuss about PANGO_LANGUAGE config tool but maybe we could do it next week? 06:12:29 <tagoh> juhp, fujiwarat: we could update bug if any concerns. let's leave it to upstream/gtk maintainer then 06:12:53 <tagoh> juhp: sure. let's add it as a topic in next agenda then. 06:12:58 <juhp> cool 06:13:50 <juhp> wonder if we could add it to desktop font config as an advanced option perhaps, hmmmm 06:13:52 <tagoh> #action tagoh to add a topic about PANGO_LANGUAGE config tool in next agenda 06:14:00 <juhp> thanks 06:14:17 <tagoh> pravins: anything for fonts? 06:14:35 <tagoh> if not particular, let's close the meeting shortly 06:16:12 <pravins> tagoh: nothing much, i have started working on Lohit Telugu 06:16:19 <tagoh> ok 06:16:50 <tagoh> okay, thanks everyone for the meeting! 06:17:08 <pravins> thanks 06:17:16 <tagoh> #endmeeting