14:05:19 <liknus> #startmeeting FAmSCo Meeting 2011-06-04
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14:05:25 <liknus> #topic RollCall
14:05:30 <liknus> .fas ppapadeas
14:05:31 <zodbot> liknus: ppapadeas 'Papadeas Pierros' <ppapadeas@gmail.com>
14:05:35 <liknus> #meetingname famsco
14:05:35 <zodbot> The meeting name has been set to 'famsco'
14:05:40 <igorps> .fas igorps
14:05:44 <zodbot> igorps: igor 'Igor Pires Soares' <igor@projetofedora.org>
14:05:45 <kaio> .fas kaio
14:05:45 <liknus> common people :)
14:05:48 <zodbot> kaio: kaio 'Caius Chance (かいお)' <me@kaio.net>
14:06:22 <liknus> .fas gbraad
14:06:22 <zodbot> liknus: gbraad 'Gerard Braad (吉拉德)' <fedora@gbraad.nl>
14:06:27 <kaio> ++ testing
14:06:30 <liknus> .fas mether
14:06:31 <zodbot> liknus: nigel '' <nigel@metheringham.net> - sundaram 'Rahul Sundaram' <metherid@gmail.com>
14:06:39 <liknus> #topic Agenda
14:06:52 <liknus> Here is the agenda:
14:06:54 <liknus> https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FAmSCo_agenda
14:06:59 <liknus> So lets start!
14:07:14 <liknus> #topic Townhalls
14:07:21 <liknus> someone need to work on that
14:07:27 <liknus> needs*
14:07:38 <liknus> anyone willing to drive it (set the first meetings?)
14:07:44 <igorps> I think Neville is working on that
14:07:53 <liknus> ok :
14:08:06 <liknus> #action liknus sends a mail on Neville reminding Townhalls
14:08:09 <liknus> moving on :
14:08:09 <igorps> he set up the whenisgood stuff for the meeting times
14:08:33 <liknus> #topic Mentors
14:08:40 <liknus> gbraad: on that?
14:08:55 <liknus> gbraad: ping
14:09:44 <igorps> liknus: do you mean the presentation of Scott as a mentor?
14:09:52 <liknus> yes
14:10:00 <liknus> I am totally Ok with that
14:10:15 <igorps> It was done on the last meeting as far as I recall
14:10:24 <liknus> no recall on that
14:10:38 * liknus searching
14:11:26 * igorps is too
14:11:32 * kaio put ++ in last meeting
14:11:55 <liknus> ok then:
14:11:55 <mether> have we informed Scott?
14:12:04 <liknus> are we agreed on that then?
14:12:08 <liknus> I will inform Joerg
14:12:10 <mether> yes
14:12:29 <liknus> #agreed Scott will be Mentor in NA region
14:12:39 <liknus> we have another candidate
14:12:42 <liknus> also
14:12:51 <liknus> ok lets talk about the nomination of Markdude
14:12:57 <liknus> http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/User:Markdude
14:12:58 <igorps> that's right
14:13:13 <igorps> I know Mark
14:13:17 <liknus> He has been really active recently on West NA and doing some great stuff
14:13:31 <liknus> He is proposed as a mentor by Clint
14:13:51 <liknus> I am more than willing to welcome him on mentors group
14:13:55 <liknus> +1 from me
14:14:03 <liknus> hey yn1v !
14:14:07 <igorps> I'm not sure about the necessity of one more mentor in NA, but Mark is a good candidate
14:14:08 <yn1v> hello !
14:14:13 <liknus> we are voting for Markdude as a mentor in NA
14:14:14 <igorps> yn1v: hello
14:14:40 <liknus> igorps: apparenty Clint and the rest of the team are super busy with many things so they need help
14:14:57 <yn1v> I agree that he is a good candidate.
14:15:09 <igorps> liknus: seems good to me
14:15:13 <liknus> also in 3 weeks I will have the oportunity to visit West coast team and have possibly a small FAD with them
14:15:21 <igorps> +1 to Mark
14:15:35 <liknus> mether: gbraad ?
14:15:41 <liknus> kaio: ?
14:15:49 <kaio> ++
14:15:58 <igorps> liknus: btw, Joerg already updated the membership of Scott
14:16:04 <liknus> ok great
14:16:04 <yn1v> +1
14:16:13 <liknus> #agreed MarkDude as a mentor for NA
14:16:16 <liknus> nice
14:16:17 <mether> liknus, dont know him at all
14:16:48 <mether> so +0 here
14:16:51 <liknus> mether: thats why we are spread around the world :)
14:17:01 <liknus> to have some people that know the local guys :)
14:17:08 <liknus> so, moving on:
14:17:20 <liknus> (please feel free to stop me if I am moving fast0
14:17:44 <liknus> #topic FUDCon APAC
14:17:59 <kital> liknus: regarding Scott http://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/famsco/2011-May/000808.html
14:18:03 <liknus> Jared has kickstarted the proccess
14:18:33 <liknus> kital: nice! this slipped me :(.. can you take care of markdude also?
14:18:54 <mether> As of today, we have confirmation of the venue.  Ran a IRC meeting sometime earlier.  More info at
14:18:56 <mether> http://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/fudcon-planning/2011-June/002399.html
14:18:57 <liknus> gbraad: kaio  mether any news on candidates for FUDCon APAC?
14:19:05 <liknus> great!
14:19:15 <igorps> Are there any bids ready?
14:19:15 <liknus> any wiki pages?
14:19:21 <mether> sure
14:19:30 <mether> http://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/fudcon-planning/2011-June/002392.html
14:19:39 <mether> #link https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FUDCon:India_2011
14:19:50 <igorps> mether: thanks
14:19:58 <liknus> Thanks mether !
14:20:04 <liknus> good luck with that :)
14:20:15 <mether> we have confirmed the venue and dates as of today.  We will proceed further after 23rd
14:20:25 <liknus> (we are going to have a special meeting upon suggesting our best candidate as famsco)
14:20:27 <kital> liknus - yes i will
14:20:34 <liknus> ok great
14:20:48 <mether> for obvious reasons, I won't be voting on that
14:21:02 <kaio> ok
14:21:02 <liknus> kaio: gbraad any other candidate for APAC ?
14:21:08 <kaio> famsco?
14:21:18 <kaio> fudcon?
14:21:22 <liknus> mether: you should be part of the process :)
14:21:26 <liknus> yeap kaio
14:21:39 <mether> liknus, I am but I cant be voting for my own proposal. So..
14:21:50 <liknus> ok no worries
14:21:50 <yn1v> mether: bid looks good. I think that you have an opportunity for the biggest fudcom
14:21:59 <liknus> indeed :)
14:22:19 <mether> yn1v, we are expecting 350 to 500 people fyi. so yes, thats the plan :-)
14:22:19 <igorps> +1
14:22:43 <liknus> awesome. cant wait for that!
14:22:54 <liknus> any help we can give on that phase?
14:23:18 <mether> vote for my proposal!
14:23:35 <liknus> hehe
14:23:38 <mether> and attend if you can
14:23:47 <liknus> I will do my best :)
14:23:52 <mether> awesome
14:23:56 <liknus> and deliver an Ambassador's talk
14:24:17 <liknus> we shall see
14:24:22 <liknus> ok moving on:
14:24:30 <kaio> Singapore / Shanghai / Beijing / Tokyo
14:24:55 <liknus> kaio please make them formal proposals and let us know if we can help on any way
14:25:18 <kaio> liknus, ok, I will ask the apac fams
14:25:44 <liknus> ok cool
14:25:48 <liknus> make it quick
14:25:50 <liknus> :)
14:26:01 <liknus> #topic Release Parties
14:26:16 <liknus> We have many release events already schedules
14:26:20 <liknus> scheduled:
14:26:20 <liknus> http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/F15_release_events
14:26:41 <liknus> I would like to ask to relay the message for more events on your local meetings
14:26:54 <liknus> #action liknus sends an email about more release events
14:27:06 <liknus> #action liknus sends a mail about release events rewards
14:27:16 <igorps> Are we really going to provide funding for all of them?
14:27:23 <liknus> I still have to finish the swag wranglers proposal
14:27:29 <mether> liknus, blogging about it might reach more people
14:27:40 <igorps> mether: +1
14:27:45 <liknus> igorps: not all of them.. only those that meet some critiria
14:27:59 <liknus> like reporting back with post and photos
14:28:04 <liknus> are we agreed on that?
14:28:06 <mether> liknus, is that criteria documented
14:28:22 <mether> As long as it is transparent upfront, I am ok with it
14:28:23 <igorps> liknus: ok, we just need to make sure that everyone is aware of the criteria
14:28:24 <liknus> not yet as we are now deciding them
14:28:33 <liknus> ok so:
14:29:18 <liknus> Are we cool with funding a dinner for a team up to 10 people per locale, if they report back extensively with blogposts and photos?
14:29:45 <igorps> +1
14:29:56 <yn1v> yes, but that is only part of the funds
14:30:09 <yn1v> people may need swags before the event
14:30:14 <igorps> blog posts are a must IMHO
14:30:41 <mether> should we consider photos a must?
14:30:53 <liknus> yn1v: for that they should file the proper bugs as always
14:30:58 <yn1v> yes... blog with photos
14:31:00 <liknus> mether: I think so .. yes
14:31:03 <mether> ok
14:31:11 <liknus> kaio: mether gbraad ?
14:31:13 <liknus> +1 for me
14:31:23 <kaio> swags > dinner
14:31:34 <igorps> We talked about around $100 on last meetings
14:31:39 <igorps> for dinner
14:31:58 <liknus> would make sense (although it can be less on many countries)
14:31:58 <igorps> not sure if that is feasible
14:32:21 <kaio> $100 budget is good
14:32:24 <yn1v> sure, $100 is a good party in a expensive restaurant
14:32:41 <yn1v> at least in here
14:32:46 <mether> same here
14:32:50 <igorps> let's put $100 as a limit
14:32:54 <liknus> so how we should phrase it?
14:33:04 <mether> upto $100
14:33:07 <igorps> could be less, tough
14:33:13 <liknus> considerably less
14:33:21 <liknus> I would go for 80USD
14:33:27 <liknus> just to be on the safe side
14:33:51 <igorps> liknus: +1. It's better be conservative here
14:33:55 <mether> are we asking for receipts?
14:34:05 <kaio> yes
14:34:14 <yn1v> yes, as it will be part of the reimbursement process
14:34:34 <liknus> mether: we are doing the standard famsco reimbursh procedure
14:34:44 <mether> then I think $80 is more than enough
14:35:12 <liknus> ok great
14:35:15 <liknus> are we all agreed?
14:35:20 <igorps> yep
14:35:32 <liknus> +1
14:36:00 <mether> +1
14:36:08 <liknus> ok great!
14:36:22 <liknus> #agreed Funding Dinners for local release teams, as long as they report back for their event (posts, photos) up to 80 USD
14:36:26 <liknus> ok nice
14:36:29 <liknus> moving on?
14:36:45 <kaio> ++
14:36:50 <igorps> +1
14:36:56 <liknus> #topic Ambassadors' survey
14:36:58 <liknus> igorps:
14:37:11 <liknus> (congratz so far ... it has been great people!)
14:37:20 <igorps> yn1v: pushed this forward
14:37:35 <yn1v> yes, we have 54 respinses.
14:37:42 <yn1v> ups ... responses
14:37:48 <igorps> I wrote a blog post asking for more responses
14:38:02 <liknus> igorps: I will relay that also
14:38:10 <yn1v> 13 of them are in partial state
14:38:11 <liknus> can you post again on the list?
14:38:47 <igorps> liknus: yes
14:38:58 <igorps> Also we can push this on local meetings
14:39:04 <liknus> #agreed igorps  sends reminder on the list about the survey
14:39:12 <liknus> igorps: please do so!
14:39:16 <liknus> ok nice
14:39:37 <liknus> I hope by the end of the month we can have 100 replies so we can work on the reults
14:39:39 <yn1v> When should we wrap this up ?
14:39:45 <liknus> results
14:39:56 <yn1v> okey !
14:40:04 <liknus> ok great :)
14:40:29 <liknus> #info Survey will run till end of June and then we will analyze results
14:40:35 <liknus> ok moving on:
14:40:37 <yn1v> liknus, answered my question before I posted  :O
14:40:51 <liknus> yn1v: speedy IRC :P
14:41:17 <liknus> I think that we are pretty much done for now
14:41:31 <igorps> survey tool on our infra is stuck
14:41:47 <liknus> I would like (*love*) to do a Schedule Special meeting next time so we can assess our performance on that
14:42:11 <liknus> igorps: yeah.. as did other things (wiki, extensions etc)
14:42:25 <liknus> are you ok with a special next meeting?
14:42:38 <igorps> liknus: yep, unfortunately.
14:42:46 <igorps> +1 for the special meeting
14:42:57 <liknus> +1 for me also
14:43:02 <yn1v> +1
14:43:15 <igorps> I think we need to discuss the budget wrangler situation as well
14:43:23 <liknus> #agreed Next meeting will focus on our Schedule
14:43:26 <liknus> igorps: yeah
14:43:33 <liknus> I am doing my best on bugs
14:43:39 <liknus> but apparently is not enough
14:43:46 <liknus> which brings us to :
14:43:58 <liknus> #topic FAmSCo tickets
14:44:05 <liknus> kaio:
14:44:53 <liknus> you needed some help on the tickets?
14:45:03 <liknus> anyone needs sth specific on the tickets
14:45:05 <liknus> ?
14:45:12 <yn1v> I have one
14:45:18 <kaio> liknus, yes
14:45:22 <yn1v> https://fedorahosted.org/famsco/ticket/190
14:45:52 * liknus looks
14:46:00 <yn1v> I add up what I want but I would like to have somebody else to look over and say if it is too much
14:46:45 <kaio> https://fedorahosted.org/famsco/ticket/189
14:46:52 <kaio> https://fedorahosted.org/famsco/ticket/188
14:47:12 <igorps> Also: https://fedorahosted.org/famsco/ticket/177
14:47:12 <liknus> yn1v: done ;)
14:48:14 <liknus> kaio 189 is now done
14:48:38 <kaio> thx
14:48:48 <liknus> about 188
14:48:55 <liknus> why did you use meetup?
14:49:09 <liknus> it is a closed service and also we had to pay for that
14:49:12 <kaio> this is the most common platform in australi
14:49:16 <liknus> infra will not be happy about that
14:50:05 <liknus> I will have to ask CommArch and Max about that
14:50:06 <igorps> 177 should be tagged as MORE INFO
14:50:08 <kaio> and almost all IT community I know in Brisbane used that
14:50:15 <kaio> ok
14:50:24 <liknus> ok fair enough kaio  :)
14:50:43 <kaio> I cant find other way to get more people
14:50:45 <liknus> no worries in general.. just ask infra before paying for infrastructure :)
14:50:52 <liknus> kaio: fair enought :)
14:50:58 <liknus> enough
14:50:58 <yn1v> One of the first goals should be move to a open service
14:51:20 <kaio> the fedoracommunity.org is far lag on that
14:51:38 * liknus looks in 177
14:51:50 <yn1v> yes 177 need way more information
14:51:55 <kaio> it even not able to change anyth from community
14:52:05 <igorps> they are asking $100 for pizza
14:52:36 <igorps> as we agreed on $80 I thing we should work with that
14:52:41 <igorps> think*
14:52:42 <yn1v> and they will have another $80 for more pizza !?
14:52:49 <liknus> yn1v: no )
14:52:50 <liknus> :)
14:52:55 <kaio> junk pizzas here $7 each, meal-level pizzas here $20+ each
14:53:00 <liknus> I marked that as more info
14:53:05 <liknus> we shall wait and see
14:53:13 <liknus> what they come back with
14:53:13 <igorps> yn1v: no, just $80 :)
14:53:16 <liknus> ok
14:53:18 <liknus> so :
14:53:24 <liknus> Any other ticket people?
14:53:38 * rbergeron thinks it would be nice if you guys could share more details on the tickets in the meeting since the rest of us cant see the tickets - hard for us to understand, kind of dents the whole transparency thing
14:53:42 <rbergeron> :)
14:53:44 <kaio> I will need another one when I have done another postage.
14:53:46 <kaio> not now
14:53:58 <kaio> rbergeron, ++
14:54:10 <liknus> rbergeron: oops
14:54:22 <liknus> I did think of that :)
14:54:24 <liknus> so :
14:54:31 <yn1v> for the public I will write a bit about each ticket
14:54:40 <liknus> ticket 189 is about CD shipment
14:54:44 <liknus> (no brainer)
14:54:55 <liknus> ticket 188 is about a meetup account
14:55:04 <igorps> I sorted out FISL tickets with Jared at FUDCon Panama
14:55:07 <liknus> and I think we need some feedback from CommArch on that
14:55:12 <yn1v> ticket 177 is empty. detail on wiki page event said $100 for pizza
14:55:16 <liknus> ticket 177 needs more info
14:56:05 <liknus> and ticket 190 is budget for release event (~300 USD for swag, cds, dvd, and more) from a valued contributor so it is OK :)
14:56:08 <yn1v> ticket 190 is a copy of what is on wiki page ... https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Release_Party_F15_Managua
14:56:24 <liknus> rbergeron: were those descriptive? :)
14:56:40 <rbergeron> sure. :) thanks
14:56:54 <yn1v> ticket 177 has link to https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Release_Party_F15_Santiago
14:57:12 <liknus> also we are constantly dealing with tickets everyday so it is kinda hard to keep it completely open. Although we try hard
14:57:17 <liknus> thanks for asking though! :)
14:57:30 <rbergeron> no, i know.
14:57:38 <liknus> ok nice :)
14:57:39 <igorps> yn1v: still some information are missing
14:57:43 <liknus> #topic Open Floor
14:57:52 <liknus> I will close the meeting in 3 mins :)
14:58:23 <yn1v> igor, yes 177 has a lot of info missing but as no one can see the ticket, I pointed to the wiki
14:58:24 <liknus> Thanks everyone for attending (and lurcking) in this meeting :)
14:58:30 <rbergeron> :D
14:58:39 <yn1v> one announcement
14:58:43 <liknus> (rbergeron for you it is stalking :P )
14:58:49 <liknus> yn1v: hit us :)
14:58:51 <igorps> yn1v: ok! ;)
14:58:55 <yn1v> community credit card supposed to be mailed
14:58:56 <rbergeron> lol
14:59:19 <igorps> this is really good news
14:59:25 <liknus> yn1v: great news!
14:59:29 <liknus> can't wait for that!
14:59:29 <yn1v> so in about one week or two we will have that new tool :)
14:59:48 <liknus> and we will deal with tickets super fast :)
14:59:56 <liknus> that will be more than great.
14:59:58 <liknus> :)
15:00:00 <yn1v> yes, I am exited and worried at the same time !
15:00:06 <liknus> worried?
15:00:14 <yn1v> yes... extra work !
15:00:50 <yn1v> We are a test case and we can not fail ... but no pressure!!
15:01:07 <igorps> yn1v: if you need help from the LATAM side please let me know
15:01:19 <yn1v> sure
15:01:21 <liknus> I think that it is going to be great
15:01:23 <liknus> no worries
15:01:23 <liknus> :)
15:01:40 <liknus> ok people!
15:01:47 <liknus> thanks for being in todays meeting
15:02:03 <yn1v> just an healthy worry to be careful ... what about that?
15:02:09 <liknus> I am gonna publish the meeting notes and update the agenda till the night
15:02:21 <liknus> yn1v: ok then :)
15:02:31 <liknus> #endmeeting