05:04:57 <tagoh> #startmeeting i18n
05:04:57 <zodbot> Meeting started Thu May 26 05:04:57 2011 UTC.  The chair is tagoh. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.
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05:05:01 <tagoh> #meetingname i18n
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05:05:07 <tagoh> #topic agenda and roll call
05:05:16 <juhp> hello
05:05:20 <dueno> hi
05:05:31 <tagoh> https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/I18N/Meetings/2011-05-26
05:05:43 <tagoh> hi guys
05:06:16 <tagoh> please add any topics to the agenda page if you have anything or bring it up at the end.
05:09:24 <tagoh> who else here? shall we get started then? :)
05:10:38 <pravins> hi
05:10:41 <tagoh> okay, let's go.
05:10:46 <tagoh> #topic F16
05:11:02 <tagoh> planning and development just started.
05:11:17 <epico_laptop> hi
05:11:39 <tagoh> upcoming event on f16 would be "Feature Submission Deadline" at July 12
05:12:26 <tagoh> is there any idea for i18n features we may want to promote for f16? :)
05:12:38 <pravins> tagoh: :)
05:13:13 <juhp> I have an idea ;)
05:13:30 <juhp> when is the feature freeze though?
05:14:02 <tagoh> July 26
05:14:12 <juhp> yes right
05:14:33 <juhp> fujiwarat, well wondering if we can do a feature for gnome3 xkb/ibus unification !
05:14:41 <31NAAH2VI> hi
05:14:48 <juhp> bit ambitious I know
05:15:14 <juhp> phew ;)
05:15:25 * dychen does not know why his username become 31NNAH2VI
05:15:51 <tagoh> aha
05:16:06 <fujiwarat> juhp: Yes, I'm working on ibus + xkb for gnome-shell.
05:16:27 <tagoh> yeah, that would be a good candidate though, dunno if it's feasible in a timely manner.
05:17:34 <juhp> true - though if we want to get it into F16 might be good
05:17:49 <fujiwarat> Ah, you're talking about feature freeze.
05:17:50 <juhp> fujiwarat, yeah I mean as an "official" F16 Feature
05:18:04 <juhp> yes
05:18:30 <juhp> but there may be dependencies upstream too... hmm
05:18:38 <tagoh> right
05:18:42 <fujiwarat> Hmm.., it might be a little hard.
05:18:47 <juhp> if we could do a join feature with the desktop team that would be ideal IMHO
05:18:51 <juhp> fujiwarat, I see
05:19:29 <juhp> well I don't if it is not a Feature - if it can still land in F16 or maybe F17 is more realistic?
05:19:33 <juhp> ^ mind
05:20:06 <fujiwarat> thx for the notice
05:21:31 <tagoh> okay, anything else?
05:22:34 <juhp> s/join/joint/
05:22:41 <dueno> just an idea - how about doing it gradually? like adding ibus-gnome3 package including gnome-shell-extension for ibus-indicator and ibus-setup replacement using ccpanel?
05:23:01 <juhp> dueno, that sounds nice
05:23:30 <juhp> so then it could be integrated afterwards in gnome-shell?
05:25:04 <juhp> any other features to consider?
05:26:27 <fujiwarat> Do you mean the packages will be obsoleted after the fix is integrated in gnome-shell?
05:28:15 <dueno> juhp: yes, dunno how hard it is though...maybe I could help
05:28:23 <fujiwarat> Hmm.., maybe
05:28:48 <dueno> fujiwarat: yes
05:31:29 <tagoh> well, we could still propose any features till the window is closed, so please keep in mind if any good features to improve i18n support in fedora.
05:32:05 <tagoh> move on
05:32:18 <tagoh> #topic Bugzilla house keeping
05:32:55 <tagoh> tried to ping on f13 bugs to get some updates. thanks for adding some comments there.
05:33:22 <tagoh> though we still have 21 bugs open there. need to triage them a bit.
05:35:12 <tagoh> though about 50% bugs are open by abrt. dunno if it can be reproduced or fixed in f15
05:37:08 <tagoh> also good to have a look at other bugs too..
05:37:49 <tagoh> any bugs you want to discuss here?
05:38:58 <juhp> dueno, fujiwarat: sounds good
05:40:06 <fujiwarat> fedbot bug 707370
05:40:09 <fedbot> fujiwarat: Bug https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=707370 unspecified, unspecified, ---, tfujiwar, NEW, [abrt] ibus- connection.py:630:call_blocking:DBusException: org.freedesktop.DBus.Error.Failed: Can not find engine xkb:layout:fr.
05:40:40 <juhp> dychen, epico_laptop: do you have time to go through your f13 bugs please?
05:40:53 <fujiwarat> Recently several SetEngine bugs are reported. It would be nice if you could notice how to reproduce the bug.
05:42:08 <juhp> fujiwarat, hmm not much clear information in the bug
05:42:13 <juhp> does it make sense to you?
05:42:42 <epico_laptop> juhp: ok. will do it.
05:43:08 <juhp> cool
05:43:22 <fujiwarat> I also think the information is not enough but I would see the several reports, not sure.
05:44:07 <dychen> juhp, will do.
05:44:55 <juhp> tagoh: the dup mention ibus-mozc fwiw
05:44:59 <juhp> mentions
05:45:05 <juhp> dychen, thanks
05:45:16 <tagoh> juhp: aha
05:46:10 <tagoh> juhp: not too much experience on f15 yet. let me see later.
05:47:34 <tagoh> not sure if it's f15 specific though
05:48:02 <juhp> yeah dunno
05:48:13 <juhp> I haven't seen any ibus crashes yet
05:48:18 <juhp> in general I mean
05:48:23 <fujiwarat> SetEngine logic is different between ibus 1.3 and 1.4 so it's good with f15.
05:48:31 <tagoh> okay
05:50:09 <tagoh> will keep up to catch f13 bugs up this week too, anyway.
05:50:17 <tagoh> better move on.
05:50:24 <tagoh> #topic Package Updates
05:51:20 <epico_laptop> fixes bugs new tools in libpinyin, will try to use larger file to test the new tools.
05:51:33 <tagoh> aha
05:51:47 <epico_laptop> update ibus-pinyin for Fedora 15.
05:54:06 <tagoh> any packages else you need any volunteers for testing?
05:54:06 <pravins> i pushed lohit devanagari against bug 702058
05:54:28 <tagoh> .bug 702058
05:54:30 <zodbot> tagoh: Bug 702058 self intersecting paths - https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=702058
05:54:37 <tagoh> cool
05:56:32 <tagoh> shall we move on if nothing else? :)
05:56:54 <tagoh> #topic Input Methods
05:57:11 <tagoh> any updates of IM you want to share?
05:58:45 <fujiwarat> I updated input-pad for f15 last week but yum is still old
05:59:04 <juhp> I think there is a new ibus-m17n for f15 in testing btw
06:00:29 <tagoh> https://admin.fedoraproject.org/updates/ibus-m17n-1.3.2-3.fc15
06:00:50 <juhp> actually two ;)
06:00:55 <juhp> yeah
06:01:03 <dueno> yes, thanks
06:01:13 <juhp> not quite sure why -2.fc15 is not obsoleted yet
06:01:24 <tagoh> ah, yeah, two ;)
06:01:44 <juhp> would be good to get one of them pushed soon for people upgrading from f14 :)
06:02:46 <juhp> dueno, do you want to push -2 first?
06:02:58 <juhp> I am happy to test and give it karma
06:03:04 <juhp> and perhaps you could too
06:03:48 <dueno> juhp: ok, will do -2 first
06:03:56 <juhp> okay sure
06:04:06 <tagoh> okay, anything else?
06:04:34 <pravins> wrote blog about i18n new things and improvement in Fedora 15
06:04:35 <pravins> http://pravin-s.blogspot.com/2011/05/indic-internationalization-new.html
06:04:59 <tagoh> great!
06:06:08 <pravins> really we did so many things for F15
06:07:30 <tagoh> okay, let's move on.
06:07:36 <tagoh> #topic Fonts and Rendering
06:07:54 <tagoh> any updates on fonts and rendering?
06:09:27 <pravins> .bug 597403
06:09:29 <zodbot> pravins: Bug 597403 usc fonts are outdated - https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=597403
06:09:57 <pravins> tagoh: thanks for your testing of earlier scratch build
06:11:54 <tagoh> pravins: well, not really. just reminds me that issue wasn't yet fixed ;)
06:12:21 <tagoh> not aware of if it's the case for you :)
06:13:17 <tagoh> that would be a good test case anyway.
06:13:23 <pravins> yeah
06:13:31 <pravins> long pending thing from my side :(
06:13:58 <tagoh> thanks for taking an action on it. good to see some progress.
06:14:52 <tagoh> okay, going to close the meeting unless you have anything want to talk more.
06:16:20 <tagoh> thanks everyone for the meeting!
06:16:28 <tagoh> #endmeeting