03:59:57 #startmeeting APAC meeting 2011-05-21 03:59:57 Meeting started Sat May 21 03:59:57 2011 UTC. The chair is dramsey. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 03:59:57 Useful Commands: #action #agreed #halp #info #idea #link #topic. 04:00:03 #meetingname APAC 04:00:03 The meeting name has been set to 'apac' 04:00:08 #topic Ambassador Pinging 04:00:11 .fas dramsey 04:00:12 dramsey: dramsey 'David Ramsey' 04:00:32 * bochecha is here for his forst apac meeting 04:00:49 Hi bochecha 04:00:54 (although bear with me, it's noon, I just woke up :P) 04:01:13 bochecha, where are you at? 04:01:17 Hello all 04:01:18 .fas tuanta 04:01:22 tuanta: tuanta 'Truong Anh Tuan' 04:01:24 I am using Fedora 14 and 15 04:01:34 .fasinfo tuanta 04:01:35 tuanta: User: tuanta, Name: Truong Anh Tuan, email: tuanta@iwayvietnam.com, Creation: 2008-09-27, IRC Nick: tuanta, Timezone: Asia/Ho_Chi_Minh, Locale: en, Extension: 5115568, GPG key ID: EF8D50BF, Status: active 04:01:36 Hi suresht and Tuan 04:01:37 .fas suresht 04:01:39 tuanta: Approved Groups: cla_fpca fedorabugs packager freemedia cla_fedora cla_done ambassadors 04:01:43 https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Meeting:APAC_Ambassadors_2011-05-21#Agenda 04:01:43 suresht: suresht 'Sureshkumar Packiyarajah' 04:01:51 #chair suresht 04:01:51 Current chairs: dramsey suresht 04:01:56 I am using Fedora 15 for this chat :) 04:01:57 #chair tuanta 04:01:57 Current chairs: dramsey suresht tuanta 04:02:03 fron lk,using f14 from DVD 04:02:28 F14 is in another partition and everywhere in my company 04:02:54 Great to hear! 04:02:54 so busy today for planning F15 release parties 04:03:04 +1 for F15 Release Parties. 04:03:16 Should we go to next topic? 04:03:16 tuanta, great 04:03:23 yes dramsey 04:03:23 azneita, will be here later. 04:03:25 #topic News from FAmSCo 04:03:34 we should wait for a while 04:03:39 :) 04:03:44 ok, any news? 04:03:53 Not that I know of, you ? 04:04:03 Survey? 04:04:16 Did you do the survey? 04:04:29 dramsey, you mean? 04:04:31 do you know whether FAmSco have decided to have release party dinner? 04:04:45 Tuan, good question. 04:04:59 suresht, there was an e-mail asking about doing some FAMsco survey. 04:05:09 has it been decided? 04:05:26 Tuan, should we make question for Kaio do bring up at the FAmSCo meeting? 04:05:31 * suresht searching for the mails 04:05:32 Like #idea... 04:05:33 ok 04:05:41 +1 dramsey 04:05:55 #idea We ask about F15 release party dinner. 04:05:56 sorry guys, company just left 04:06:02 Hi azneita! 04:06:03 .fas azneita 04:06:03 azneita: azneita 'Heherson Pagcaliwagan' 04:06:10 hi azneita 04:06:10 #action ask FAmSco about release party dinners 04:06:13 suresht and tuan as well as bochecha here. 04:06:16 hi 04:06:16 #chair azneita 04:06:16 Current chairs: azneita dramsey suresht tuanta 04:06:18 i'm here for the duration :) 04:06:31 hi guys 04:06:42 We are at FAmSCo now, thinking about F15 Release Dinner as a question to FAmSCo 04:06:56 Any ideas from you, azneita? 04:07:07 we have 3 days left 04:07:24 although not really for famsco, reimbursements for previous events needs love 04:07:44 i'm putting it up for action 04:07:53 Should we make a #idea or ask for #info from FAmSCo? 04:07:53 +1 azneita 04:07:54 #action follow up on reimbursements 04:07:57 +1 04:08:06 Excellent, azneita, #action is best! 04:08:31 Everyone, I liked your notes from Wednesday, keep up the good work on FAD and every Wednesday... 04:08:32 it has been still very long time to get response since ticket submitted 04:08:38 Really? 04:08:46 we had harish last wed and he said yesterday 04:08:59 +1 04:09:00 Do you have unpaid tickets, Tuan? 04:09:01 he'll work on the tickets 04:09:05 +1 04:09:17 no, dramsey 04:09:24 okay. 04:09:45 i'll follow up and report accordingly, i believe kaio has some tickets too 04:10:11 anybody else? 04:10:25 my usual process is: submit a ticket for confirmation first, then do the event, and then submit the receipts to get reimbursement 04:10:49 +1 Tuan. 04:10:53 #info kaio and azneita has pending reimbursements 04:10:54 but I am usually stuck at the first step 04:11:18 azneita, not from me. Did everyone get the e-mail from FAmSCo about the Survey? 04:11:28 I remember, I have one ticket not reimbursed :) 04:11:56 i did receive it but haven't gone around to actually doing it, maybe later 04:12:03 for tax and fee to get the XO from kaio 04:12:10 tuanta: ouch 04:12:17 double ouch... 04:12:18 a long time :D 04:12:27 really long ;) 04:12:40 double dinners for you 04:12:47 +1 04:12:50 just about $25, so not a big problem 04:12:52 * azneita is not really sure if that'll work 04:12:56 +1 azneita 04:13:15 next topic then? 04:13:17 Other thoughts on FAmSCo or next topic? 04:13:18 #topic Report current Status of upcoming events 04:13:29 https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FedoraEvents#FY12_Q1_.28March_2011_-_May_2011.29_4 04:13:35 https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/F15_release_events#APAC 04:13:57 got one in planning although we haven't pinned down a venue yet 04:13:58 I see APAC has more than 14 F15 Events, fantastic!!! We are doing it!!! :D 04:14:05 I add all my events into the RP page 04:14:13 +1 azneita 04:14:16 +1 Tuan 04:14:45 i'm exploring the barcamp style to get a feel of how it's done 04:14:48 i am think about it in lk 04:14:50 for the release party 04:14:57 +1 suresht 04:15:10 +1 suresht 04:15:13 since I am the only Fedora Ambassador in Vietnam, I am planning to travel to Hue and HCMC to organize release parties there 04:15:29 azneita, if you have never been to a barcamp-style event, ask someone who has. It's quite different to how events are normally run ;) 04:15:30 like that one time with pierros 04:15:59 sure i will arrange best one here as well 04:15:59 bochecha: I'm picking KageSenshi's brains 04:16:16 beside that, I will try to convince and help someone there to be an ambassador 04:16:26 cool tuanta 04:16:27 Tuan, sounds like a #action for travel funds. 04:16:33 cool tuanta 04:16:33 +1 04:16:41 #action travel to Hue and HCMC to organize release parties there 04:17:12 #idea try to convince and help someone in Hue and HCMC to be an ambassador after the F15 release parties 04:17:12 Other thoughts or next topic? 04:17:19 +1 tuanta, sorry about that 04:17:22 sure, I need funds 04:17:26 KageSenshi's not here but he's driving the FudCon bid 04:17:40 sorry what, dramsey? 04:17:43 Yes, let us support KageSenshi for FUDcon. 04:17:48 along with harish and everyone :) 04:17:57 I should have let you you finish type, Tuan. Sorry man 04:18:01 +1 azneita 04:18:10 that's alright :) 04:18:42 I like Harish's idea of three APAC FUDcons, that has best potential, so everyone build our FAD ideas and help support Harish and KageSenshi for future FUDcon. 04:18:43 ;) 04:18:53 true 04:19:02 +1 dramsey 04:19:11 ! 04:19:18 Please, azneita 04:19:18 #action file tickets to request funds to travel to Hue and HCMC to organize local F15 release parties 04:19:29 +1 dramsey 04:19:38 it's also worth exploring the possibility of doing a programming contest as suggested by harish 04:19:39 I like Harish's ideas too 04:19:58 different geos with different team members 04:20:07 from different schools 04:20:08 I will take this case to plan a FAD in Vietnam 04:20:20 Absolutely, great ideas!!! We support. 04:20:31 i'm willing to pitch that to our next release party attendees 04:20:46 and see where we get after that 04:21:03 #idea take the opportunity when doing F15 release parties to organize a FAD in Vietnam in the near future 04:21:18 we have some announcements to university students before FAD lk 04:21:33 I will have reports after events, sure! 04:21:48 something like competitions 04:22:06 suresht: we can link up after 04:22:08 I like these ideas... 04:22:15 hopefully, we will have about >200 participants attend this release party series 04:22:19 +1 suresht 04:22:30 azneita, sure! 04:22:37 #chair bochecha 04:22:37 Current chairs: azneita bochecha dramsey suresht tuanta 04:23:01 Other thoughts or next topic? 04:23:14 i'm good 04:23:19 This discussion is good, me, too. 04:24:10 we're we now at? 04:24:28 shall we move? 04:24:28 "...Report current Status of upcoming events - Fedora Events..." Next is APAC Plans 04:24:29 currently, in Vietnam, I am helping the organizers to prepare for MHST, a programming competition like GSoC but much smaller 04:24:39 all FOSS programming 04:25:00 #link www.olp.vn/mhst 04:25:06 tuanta, great 04:25:11 azneita, meetbot changes the topic of the channel with the current meeting topic. Just check the topic when you are lost :) 04:25:33 * azneita grins sheepishly :) 04:25:55 i am in infrastructure team, and I also a mentor 04:26:21 bochecha: still getting used to pidgin and quite lazy this saturday 04:26:31 :) 04:26:41 I use Xchat 04:26:59 * suresht using Xchat 04:27:43 shall we move on? 04:27:47 next? 04:27:51 #topic APAC plans 04:27:58 I use pidgin' too 04:28:11 * suresht searching for google translate www.olp.vn/mhst 04:28:21 I think that your Wednesday meeting touch on the Media, Swag and other needs. 04:28:26 +1 suresht :) 04:28:34 Have you all sent your Media, Swag and other needs to Harish? 04:28:43 i think so too so we can pretty much skim through it 04:28:58 we had talked 04:29:03 I got a small problem: all release parties are too close 04:29:03 dramsey: not yet but will later 04:29:18 it's not enough time for us to print "nice" CD 04:29:30 i am waiting for kaio f14 200pcs 04:29:31 tuanta: liveUSB booths 04:29:33 I still have to burn CD ourselves to give in the RP 04:29:54 may it will received start of next month 04:30:11 suresht: did i read that right, f14? 04:30:38 azneita, yes. 04:30:57 kaio has our of money so it takes time 04:31:10 #idea let's work on logistics for media shipping for f16 04:31:24 those who asked for media that is 04:31:25 +1 azneita 04:31:45 some geos like to produce local media and that's fine 04:31:58 Harish told him to sent monies.may it has done yesterday 04:32:14 err/our/out 04:32:22 suresht, did bckurera have some sort of tax problem with media before? 04:32:22 for those we're shipping for, we'll find a way of doing it 04:32:23 produce locally is better for almost countries in APAC because of tax 04:32:42 +1 Tuan 04:32:54 but it's still not in time for release parties 04:33:00 dramsey, yes bckurera has some issues 04:33:16 we just have about 2-3 days 04:33:19 true tuan, but we also have to consider the instances when we indeed ship 04:33:31 +1, azneita 04:33:33 suresht, would you have problem, too? 04:33:37 +1 azneita 04:33:59 no i am not at the time 04:34:18 okay, suresht, just want to help you avoid such. 04:34:22 still i am in FAD proposal 04:34:29 okay. 04:34:37 +1 suresht 04:34:43 Tuan, is some support for your labels needed? 04:34:59 what do you mean? 04:35:05 may it will helpful within couple of months 04:35:40 Like time for nice CDs... 04:36:23 the most critical time I need media is in release parties :) 04:36:41 but they are usually too close from release date 04:37:07 so I decided to burn the normal CD ourselves (by hand) 04:37:12 I understand. 04:37:31 we had talked about media producing locally or get from Harish or Kaio.we have come with local charge for making one DVD with cover then compared with overseas products. 04:37:32 I remember the CD printer idea from last year that azneita had... 04:37:40 true 04:37:44 if we have a big enough event, I will request to hire a manufacture to print VD for us 04:38:09 you know, each time, we need to burn at least 1,000 CDs 04:38:09 so if it will less we can do locally or get from overseas 04:38:26 it's just suitable for big enough events 04:38:52 c/VD/CD 04:39:03 s/VD/CD (sorry :) ) 04:39:11 Ah, now I totally understand about time to Release Party, wow that is a lot... 04:39:35 Remember media DVD or CD duplicator from last year... 04:39:39 it's not so easy as in European 04:39:57 haha, not easy (agrees) 04:40:02 Very true, Tuan. 04:40:09 agrees 04:40:15 when i did 500 by hand, that was OTT 04:40:15 they can hire to produce 3,000 even 5,000 media then distribute inside Europe easily 04:40:29 not doing it again 04:40:46 I have to ask volunteers, of course 04:40:52 My biweekly is about 200... o_O 04:41:07 +1 dramsey :) 04:41:08 haha, i had two volunteers 04:41:29 but the sched is not so friendly 04:41:33 I have got about ten ones 04:41:38 i got some prices for printing quality DVD cover in here(double cover) "we can describe about both pages" 0.35 $ per one cover 04:41:38 i remember three days :) 04:41:53 to produce 300 CDs for F15 release party series 04:42:17 Tuan, would the CD duplicator help? 04:42:22 tuan: how about creating a ticket then let's see how we go 04:42:23 suresht, good information 04:42:31 +1 azneita! 04:43:09 it's a about $0.7 for a complete LiveCD here: cd, label, sleeve, plastic box... 04:43:32 azneita, what do you mean? 04:44:07 create a budget request for you media (i'm assuming local production) 04:44:10 I created ticket for all funds I need, of course 04:44:17 ah 04:44:20 already done :) 04:44:21 cool then 04:44:23 #182 04:44:24 ;) 04:44:34 fedora-apac or famsco? 04:44:49 famsco, but I selec APAC as the region 04:44:58 s/selec/select 04:44:59 even though i won't be able to view it 04:45:06 hehe 04:45:12 it has not been reviewed yet 04:45:15 :) 04:45:39 famsco..., ping kaio or gbraad or go directly to pierro 04:45:42 they usually needs about 2 weeks to review a short ticket 04:45:53 I don't know why, but it's true 04:46:09 Tuan, would you like an update status on your Ticket # 182 to help you plan? Would this be a #action #idea or #info what do you think? 04:46:11 they probably do it during a formal meeting 04:46:22 +1 azneita 04:46:25 with ayes and nays all around 04:46:34 #idea ticket review process on FAmSCo trac should be faster 04:46:51 but i think a short acknowledgement will appease any ticket creator 04:47:08 knowing it has been seen and will be acted upon in two weeks time 04:47:30 #info Tuan needs updated information on Ticket #182 in order to help Tuan's planning. 04:47:46 #action tuanta has some open ticket on FAmSCo trac need to be reviewed 04:47:47 +1 azneita 04:47:54 +1 Tuan! 04:47:59 thanks dramsey 04:48:27 currently I have got two open tickets 04:48:37 What is your other ticket, Tuan? 04:48:45 + tuanta 04:48:51 I will have 3 others today for F15 release parties in Hanoi, Hue and HCMC 04:49:06 ticket bombing to FAmSCo :D 04:49:16 ha..haa 04:49:27 lol 04:49:49 two current ones are for: 1. XO tax and 2. CD burning 04:50:04 next? 04:50:25 I am good. Next? 04:50:38 next, please 04:51:08 #topic Red Hat Exams for Ambassadors 04:51:26 this is yours. Any updates, dramsey 04:51:27 I think the Red Hat information to help our Fedora personnel is in the works. 04:51:29 ? 04:51:31 That is it from me. 04:51:55 we will get in touch wit NA 04:51:56 i'm keeping my ears on the ground then :) 04:51:57 they are processing our idea? 04:52:00 Also, saw progress on the Red Hat teaching, too. 04:52:14 great, dramsey 04:52:22 Tuan, good question, our idea is the same as theirs, so very good! ;) 04:52:23 cool 04:52:36 cool 04:52:48 +1 Guys, we can do it! I think that Kaio wants to be able to provide RHCE development, too... 04:52:49 ;) 04:52:49 I love to have a RH cert :) 04:52:53 + dramsey ] 04:53:29 let's all try for rhca :) 04:53:48 +1 azneita 04:53:53 dramsey, kaio has some ideas RHCE tute's something like is it? 04:54:16 suresht, kaio has his RHCE and wants to help develop others... 04:54:29 There is some requirements to be able to do Red Hat training from that way. 04:54:35 That is it from me. 04:54:38 something like a study group like herlo's idea 04:54:48 +1 azneita, exactly 04:54:58 herlo and mchua, too, I read. 04:55:00 in an event, get a room study together 04:55:05 +1 azneita 04:55:06 pointers 04:55:16 dramsey, good 04:55:18 tips and tricks basically 04:55:23 Yup, sort of an extended class room study 04:55:41 can we have e-learning? 04:55:42 which is very useful especially if your building up courage to take the exam 04:56:22 are we cool with this topic? 04:56:29 Others? Or next topic? 04:56:33 get ideas from who has done early like dramsey and kaio 04:56:40 +1 dramsey 04:57:00 Tuan, e-learning / Fedora classroom has potential. 04:57:02 #topic Fedora APAC Magazine 04:57:17 bckurera topic 04:57:28 suresht, do you know any updates from bckurera or should we go to next topic? 04:57:46 he has told during wed meeting for voting system 04:58:00 +1 suresht 04:58:04 selecting Magazine name! 04:58:42 bur Rahul added his comment like"before do it just speak to FamSco" as well 04:59:03 #idea e-learning can work for Fedora classroom 04:59:42 +1 04:59:44 Great, other thoughts or next topic? 04:59:46 name? simply: Fedora APAC Magazine 04:59:53 because of apac has many languages 05:00:12 and also tradmark of Fedora using 05:00:13 is that name fine? 05:00:38 we need ask for trademark to use that name 05:01:16 #action ask for trademark to use the name for Fedora APAC Magazine 05:01:18 Good questions. 05:01:29 who will take this action? 05:01:37 we have to get approval from Fedora board of community 05:01:39 FAmSco? 05:01:44 I think bckurera is good point 05:01:48 dramsey, yes 05:01:49 +1 05:02:06 bckurera should work with FAmSco 05:02:17 Inquire with FAmSco...Perfect Tuan! ;) 05:02:21 yes i am sure! 05:02:26 +1 dramsey 05:02:46 Other thoughts or next topic? 05:02:52 next 05:03:06 #idea bckurera should work with FAmSco to ask Fedora board for trademark to use Fedora APAC Magazine's name 05:03:13 ok, next 05:03:15 +1 Tuan 05:03:17 #topic Fedora APAC Committee 05:03:44 in agenda, FUDcon first 05:03:46 I know of no updates may be wait until Wednesday's meeting? 05:03:53 next meeting 05:03:55 +1 Tuan 05:03:59 next topic? 05:04:06 +1 05:04:15 #topic Online event for Fedora 15 in China. Need help for Media Distribution and Fedora swag 05:04:32 haowei is not available here 05:04:38 Haowei's, will wait for input later. 05:04:39 so, next? 05:04:40 Next topic? 05:04:41 +1 05:04:45 next? 05:04:48 #topic LCA 2012 05:04:53 Luke's... 05:05:00 Next? 05:05:01 no asmartgoat too :) 05:05:07 #topic APAC Library 05:05:09 skip it 05:05:11 Luke's\ 05:05:13 the same :) 05:05:15 Next? 05:05:19 yes 05:05:21 #topic Open Floor 05:05:32 ok, that's final one 05:05:37 i love you guys, ~1hr meet 05:05:44 we are very open 05:05:51 I have sent the SASE's to Tom Callaway for the Thank You letters to be mailed to Suresht and Arnold and others... 05:05:55 1h, it's good 05:05:59 +1 on time. 05:06:18 The Thank You letters have stickers, too as well as a Jared letter of help. 05:06:25 dramsey: thanks for SASEs btw 05:06:27 If you are interested, then please send me your mailing address. 05:06:31 hope to see you all in person in a FUDcon APAC :) 05:06:36 we have internet society conference @ Hilton 05:06:41 +1 azneita, Arnold will be happy. 05:06:45 i will go for it 05:06:48 yep 05:07:02 suresht, is that a #info? Do you need support? 05:07:03 dramsey, thanks for Thank You letters! 05:07:14 thank you for zip code, suresht 05:07:15 :D 05:07:41 That is all from me. 05:07:54 very small, but I am a Fedora developer too (beside user), so I love to see FUDCon in APAC 05:07:58 dramsey, normally we are not using in srilanka Zip code that's why i missed out 05:08:06 Understood. 05:08:12 FUDCon in APAC, we can do it! 05:08:13 dramsey, thanks for the mail 05:08:13 Other thoughts or close meeting? 05:08:24 Thank you all for attending! 05:08:24 yes, it's enough 05:08:30 thanks 05:08:32 5 05:08:32 4 05:08:33 you are welcome 05:08:33 3 05:08:34 2 05:08:35 1 05:08:36 #info internet society conference @ Hilton_lk 05:08:41 0.5 05:08:43 see you all 05:08:45 bye 05:08:46 #endmeeting