20:01:25 <cwickert> #startmeeting EMEA ambassadors meeting
20:01:25 <zodbot> Meeting started Wed May 18 20:01:25 2011 UTC.  The chair is cwickert. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.
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20:01:47 <cwickert> #topic role call
20:02:00 <ardian> .fas ardian
20:02:01 <zodbot> ardian: ardian 'Ardian Haxha' <ardian.haxha@gmail.com> - gunma 'Mardian Gunawan' <gunawanmardian@gmail.com> - guardian 'Stephan Kürpick' <guard@gmx.net> - rmsc 'Renato Caldas' <seventhguardian@gmail.com> - dansguardian 'Dansguardian' <dansguardian@linuxmail.org>
20:02:03 <gentt> .fas gentt
20:02:04 <zodbot> gentt: gent 'Gent Thaçi' <gentthaqi@gmail.com>
20:02:07 <shaiton> Kévin Raymond
20:02:24 <jsmith> .fas jsmith
20:02:25 <zodbot> jsmith: jsmith 'Jared Smith' <jsmith.fedora@gmail.com> - mikejsmith11 'Mike J. Smith ' <mikejsmith11@gmail.com>
20:03:09 <cwickert> .fas cwickert
20:03:10 <zodbot> cwickert: cwickert 'Christoph Wickert' <christoph.wickert@googlemail.com>
20:03:30 * cwickert suggests to wait 2 or 3 more minutes for people to show up
20:03:31 <ardian> Hi
20:04:04 * gnokii brings cwickert a cup of coffee
20:04:10 <sesivany1> .fas eischmann
20:04:11 <zodbot> sesivany1: eischmann 'Jiri Eischmann' <eischmann@redhat.com>
20:04:18 <frafra> .fas frafra
20:04:19 <zodbot> frafra: frafra 'Francesco Frassinelli' <fraph24@gmail.com>
20:04:50 <cwickert> hey, sesivany1, nice to see you
20:05:24 <cwickert> please give a big welcome to sesivany1, he is Red Hat's community manager from Brno
20:05:42 <cwickert> in fact Jiri is not really a community manager, but he does a lot of community work
20:05:48 <ardian> Hi, welcome sesivany1
20:05:58 <frafra> welcome sesivany1 :)
20:06:02 <cwickert> sesivany1: is your ancle better again?
20:06:10 <sesivany1> jreznik couldnt come today, so Im her for both of us :)
20:06:10 <shaiton> hi, welcome!
20:06:28 <cwickert> ok, lets start
20:06:45 <cwickert> the agenda for today's meeting is at
20:06:48 <cwickert> #link https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Meeting:EMEA_Ambassadors_2011-05-18
20:07:06 <cwickert> please folow the meeting protocol
20:07:08 <cwickert> #lin https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/IRCHowTo#Protocol
20:07:13 <cwickert> #undo
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20:07:16 <cwickert> #link https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/IRCHowTo#Protocol
20:07:43 <cwickert> #topic Announcements
20:07:49 <cwickert> any announcements anybody?
20:08:33 <cwickert> ok, I do have one
20:09:01 <cwickert> #info: cwickert still has some Ambassadors Polos left, get in contact with him to get one
20:09:15 <jsmith> !
20:09:25 <cwickert> #info they are 25 EUR plus shipping if you don't pick them up at an event personally
20:09:30 <cwickert> jsmith: go ahead
20:10:02 <jsmith> Just want to say thanks to everyone who worked on Fedora 15 -- happy to report that it's been declared "gold", thanks to the hard work of many of you
20:10:39 <cwickert> #info Fedora F15 was declared GOLD, it is ready to go
20:10:42 <cwickert> #link http://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/test/2011-May/100181.html
20:10:53 <frafra> !
20:10:56 <cwickert> +1 to what jsmith said, well done everybody
20:11:01 <jsmith> eof
20:11:02 <cwickert> frafra: your turn
20:11:59 <frafra> I'm a new ambassador, and I don't know if it could be an announcement :) I'm happy and please excuse me if I'll make some mistakes
20:12:12 <cwickert> frafra: welcome to the EMEA ambassadors
20:12:25 <cwickert> nice you join is in this meeting
20:12:32 <frafra> thanks cwickert
20:12:35 <frafra> eof
20:12:36 <cwickert> .fas frafra
20:12:37 <zodbot> cwickert: frafra 'Francesco Frassinelli' <fraph24@gmail.com>
20:12:49 <shaiton> see you at the fudcon :)
20:12:54 <t2hot> .fas t2hot
20:12:55 <zodbot> t2hot: twohot 'Onyeibo Oku' <twohotis@gmail.com>
20:13:19 <cwickert> more info about our new ambassador on his wiki page at https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/User:Frafra
20:13:35 * cwickert thinks this is a really good page btw
20:13:44 <cwickert> #topic Ambassadors schedule
20:13:55 <cwickert> #link http://rbergero.fedorapeople.org/schedules/f-15/f-15-ambassadors-tasks.html
20:14:04 <cwickert> please have a look at the schedule everybody
20:14:38 <cwickert> we have now entered the launch phase
20:14:46 <cwickert> tomorrow is the final readyness meeting
20:14:55 <cwickert> and the release will be on 24th
20:15:11 <cwickert> this means we need to get our planning for the release events done
20:15:18 <cwickert> we will get to this in a minute
20:15:50 <cwickert> the schedule looks good, everything is getting done
20:16:02 <cwickert> a question for jsmith
20:16:13 <cwickert> "Regional Teams Obtain Final Release ISOs from Release Engineering for duplication"
20:16:31 <cwickert> do you know how we are going to handle this?
20:17:53 <cwickert> seems jsmith is no longer here with us...
20:18:19 <cwickert> ok, there is another thing on the agenda that worries me
20:18:22 <cwickert> "Release Party Posters"
20:18:31 <cwickert> does anybody know something about this?
20:18:52 <cwickert> any FAmSCo members around?
20:18:56 <shaiton> That's for promote our event. I am so bad at design that nothing has been done
20:19:06 <shaiton> s/for/to
20:19:28 <cwickert> "FAmSCo with Design Team Create Release Party Posters"
20:19:36 <cwickert> this means it is a design-team job
20:19:51 <cwickert> the communication with the design-team is really bad :(
20:19:53 * shaiton should have read more lines..
20:20:13 * cwickert should ask more clealy
20:20:37 <cwickert> my question was: does anybody know something about the status of the posters?
20:20:57 <t2hot> !
20:21:04 <cwickert> t2hot: shoot
20:21:27 <t2hot> The Design team is having issues with wallpaper design
20:22:00 <t2hot> The wallpaper usually forms basis for other design related stuff like banners etc
20:22:23 <cwickert> the wallpaper can not be changed at this point
20:22:59 <t2hot> eol ... we've actually arrived at that
20:23:42 <t2hot> ?
20:23:51 <cwickert> ask your question t2hot
20:24:31 <t2hot> What actually needs doing?  I can run a shot at it to the best of my ability and see how things go
20:25:15 <t2hot> EOF
20:25:21 <cwickert> t2hot: we need posters for all release events. we need a generic template and if people cannot edit it themselves, we need someone to help them
20:25:50 <cwickert> take a look at the previous posters for release events
20:26:06 <t2hot> will do
20:26:14 <cwickert> thanks
20:26:35 <cwickert> t2hot: can you also get in tocuh with the rest of the design team about this?
20:26:44 <t2hot> certainly
20:26:58 <t2hot> its possible its already done
20:27:10 <cwickert> #action t2hot to get in touch with the design team about release events posters
20:28:28 <cwickert> #topic Events
20:28:30 <cwickert> #link https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Events#EMEA-FY12Q1
20:28:51 <cwickert> as you know we had two very big events last week
20:28:56 <cwickert> one was LinuxTag in Berlin
20:29:06 <cwickert> the other was Solutions Linux in Paris
20:29:18 <cwickert> and there was Linuxwochen Vienna one week before
20:29:29 <cwickert> shaiton: a quick summary of Solutions Linux?
20:29:47 <shaiton> that was and awesome event, and the report is coming :)
20:30:01 <cwickert> from my side I can say that LinuxTag was nice and I need to write an event report
20:30:13 <cwickert> shaiton: how was the audience? lots of visitors?
20:30:31 <cwickert> shaiton: and the most important question for me: did you have everything you need?
20:30:34 <shaiton> yep, our booth was just in front of the ubuntu one...
20:30:46 <shaiton> we get many people that wanted to see something different that Unity
20:30:47 <cwickert> haha, so you showed them how to rock ;)
20:30:57 <shaiton> exactly :D
20:31:11 <cwickert> ok, two things I have learned from LinuxTag
20:31:18 <shaiton> cwickert, yep, we had everything, all 400 CDs given
20:31:28 <cwickert> 1. you need an eye catcher to attract people
20:31:38 <cwickert> for us this was definitely my WeTab
20:31:54 <cwickert> a normal laptop will not attract people, no matter what software it runs
20:32:08 <cwickert> and videos or presentations are nice too
20:32:12 <shaiton> !
20:32:27 <cwickert> we had a beamer ans we used it to show FUDCon videos and stuff
20:32:35 <cwickert> moving pictures are better than posters
20:32:38 <cwickert> shaiton: go ahead
20:32:42 <ardian> so a projector should attract more people ?
20:32:57 <shaiton> we had tshirts (local production), an XO (OLPC laptop) and a pinguino board (open source hardware/IDE)
20:33:09 <shaiton> many people got interrested :)
20:33:15 <shaiton> eof
20:33:28 <cwickert> ardian: yes, if you use it correctly. if you just use it to display something static, it is not as interesting
20:33:37 * t2hot wonders if the chairman is implying we pause the posters then :)
20:33:37 <cwickert> but not everybody has a beamer
20:33:45 <sesivany1> I think the video from a projector was a good idea, Truth happens made people stop and watch for a while as I noticed.
20:33:47 <cwickert> we really need a new one because ours is broken
20:34:02 <cwickert> we got one from the Red Hat office in Stuttgart
20:34:11 <cwickert> but we need to have our own beamer again
20:34:18 <cwickert> ok, more on events
20:34:20 <ardian> What we do for our conferences here, we use a projector and a video with compiz stuff
20:34:56 <shaiton> ardian, compiz under GNOME 3 ? oO
20:35:05 <shaiton> no need :)
20:35:09 <cwickert> lets move on
20:35:16 <ardian> I was speaking about the past shaiton
20:35:20 <shaiton> yep
20:35:29 <cwickert> follow meeting protocol please!
20:35:38 <cwickert> we have an event in Isreal coming up
20:35:47 <cwickert> s/Isreal/Israel
20:36:01 <cwickert> #link https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/OpenIsrael_2011
20:36:14 <cwickert> to bad that elad is not here to tell us more about it
20:36:50 <cwickert> and in August there is FrOSCon in Bonn, Germany
20:36:53 <cwickert> #link https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FrOSCon_2011
20:36:59 <cwickert> I have applied for a devroom
20:37:11 <cwickert> because I want to make this a big Fedora event
20:37:29 <cwickert> #info cwickert wants to have a FAD at FrOSCon 2011
20:37:47 <cwickert> #info submit proposals for the tracks
20:38:05 <cwickert> #action cwickert to write a mail about FrOSCon to the ambassadors list
20:38:18 <cwickert> anything more on events?
20:38:31 <t2hot> !
20:38:44 <cwickert> t2hot: yes please
20:39:26 <t2hot> Can one call my talk with Architects tomorrow an event?
20:39:44 <cwickert> t2hot: sure
20:40:07 <cwickert> t2hot: you might want to show them stuff like blender, dia and inscape
20:40:28 <sesivany1> !
20:40:37 <t2hot> I have a repertoire already
20:40:47 <cwickert> t2hot: ok, anything you need help with?
20:40:55 <t2hot> Its broad.  I should be reporting that afterwards
20:41:06 <cwickert> ok, looking forward for your report then
20:41:12 <t2hot> For an NIA meeting?  I can handle this
20:41:29 <cwickert> t2hot: ok, anything more on this or can we go on?
20:41:30 <t2hot> EOF
20:41:35 <cwickert> sesivany1: your turn
20:41:59 <sesivany1> There will be an open source conference in Zilina, Slovakia at the beginning of July. I, Jarda, and Marek will cover that for Fedora.
20:42:21 <sesivany1> I will add it to events if it's not there yet.
20:42:27 <cwickert> sesivany1: can you please add it to the wiki?
20:42:49 <frafra> !
20:42:50 <sesivany1> cwickert: yep, I will do it.
20:42:59 <cwickert> #action sesivany1 to add a wiki page about the open source conference in Zilina, Slovakia
20:43:24 <cwickert> sesivany1: are you EOF or do you have something else for us?
20:43:34 <sesivany1> eof
20:43:38 <cwickert> frafra: your turn
20:44:51 <frafra> same stuff here: we have organized a 3-days floss conference, and there will be some fedora ambassadors (like Latini and Carraturo)
20:45:05 <frafra> I'll add it to the wiki
20:45:10 <cwickert> frafra: please do
20:45:16 <cwickert> where is "here" btw?
20:45:18 <frafra> it will be this week near Milan, Italy
20:45:22 <cwickert> ah, Italy
20:45:29 <frafra> eof
20:46:04 <cwickert> frafra: ok, if you need anything, please get in touch with the other Italian guys. I can give you some contacts after the meeting
20:46:16 <cwickert> #topic F15 Release Events
20:46:21 <cwickert> #link https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/F15_release_events#EMEA
20:46:34 <cwickert> we have 9 release events in EMEA
20:46:42 <cwickert> I am thinking about doing one in Berlin
20:46:48 <cwickert> but this is not clear yet
20:47:10 <cwickert> shaiton: you need anything for your event?
20:47:22 <ardian> We will do one in June
20:47:33 <shaiton> cwickert,
20:47:55 <shaiton> I've filled the ticket about CD, if we can get them on time
20:48:06 <shaiton> and one about stickers (to liknus)
20:48:12 <shaiton> that's all
20:48:19 <cwickert> ok, this is the next thing we need to discuss
20:48:25 <shaiton> ;)
20:48:26 <cwickert> lets have a look at the calendar
20:48:45 <cwickert> if I can get the ISOs tomorrow, I can place the order
20:48:58 <cwickert> but the media artwork is not yet finished
20:49:10 <sesivany1> We will have a release party already on 24th, so there is no time for any swag, we have some here though. Already 75 registered attendants, not bad.
20:49:26 <shaiton> cwickert, shouldn't it be a #topic media production?
20:49:46 <cwickert> well, no, yes, I don't care
20:49:57 <shaiton> ok
20:49:58 <cwickert> I guess the order is bad in the agenda
20:50:10 <cwickert> #topic F15 Media Production
20:50:20 <cwickert> so, we start again...
20:50:27 <cwickert> I get the ISOs tomorrow
20:50:34 <cwickert> the company has to download them
20:50:39 <cwickert> and the artwork is not done
20:50:51 <cwickert> this means they cannot start working before the weekend
20:51:07 <cwickert> say they start working on may 23rd
20:51:09 <shaiton> they would also be able to burn the master media
20:51:26 <cwickert> can we please follow the meeting protocol?
20:51:36 <shaiton> sorry
20:51:36 <cwickert> and they need 9 days to do the media
20:51:52 <cwickert> this means the media will not be ready before June 1st
20:52:01 <cwickert> and then they need to ship it to me
20:52:08 <cwickert> and I will ship it all over EMEA
20:52:14 <cwickert> but this takes a while
20:52:22 <cwickert> say it needs 3 days to me
20:52:27 <shaiton> !
20:52:38 <cwickert> and then some days to arrive at the destination, depends on where you are
20:52:50 <cwickert> shaiton: ok, now it's your turn
20:53:00 <shaiton> therfore take time to handle mine, as my release event would be past. But there will be other events, of course:)
20:53:04 <shaiton> eof
20:53:45 <shaiton> we will work more with liveusb-creator
20:53:59 <cwickert> shaiton: I'm sorry, there is nothing we can do about it. when is your event?
20:54:12 <shaiton> the 4th of June, but no probs
20:54:27 <shaiton> I didn't expect them to be their in time
20:54:42 <cwickert> shaiton: I will see what I can do but I cannot promise
20:54:50 <shaiton> ok thanks cwickert
20:55:19 <cwickert> #info F15 media will be available round 1st June. We try our best but cannot make it earlier, sorry
20:55:20 <t2hot> !
20:55:29 <cwickert> t2hot: go ahead
20:55:47 <t2hot> You want the Sleeve design ready by what date?
20:55:59 <t2hot> 23rd?
20:56:18 <cwickert> t2hot: no, I want the media ready by that date
20:56:33 <cwickert> this means we need the sleeves by next Monday latest
20:56:50 <cwickert> the sleeves are almost done but the text is not
20:57:07 <cwickert> #link https://fedorahosted.org/design-team/ticket/170
20:57:08 <t2hot> hmm, who is handling that?
20:57:22 <cwickert> inkscaper did the sleeves
20:57:32 <cwickert> but I am not sure if he is also doing the text
20:57:49 <cwickert> well, there is some text, but there are still some questions
20:58:01 <cwickert> look in the ticket, it's all discussed there
20:58:30 <cwickert> #info the media artwork is not yet done, we need somebody to help us with the text
20:58:38 <t2hot> ok
20:58:39 <cwickert> #info details in the ticket at https://fedorahosted.org/design-team/ticket/170
20:58:41 <t2hot> eof
20:58:52 <cwickert> ok, any more questions on media?
20:59:30 <ardian> ?
20:59:35 <cwickert> ardian: yes please
20:59:55 <ardian> If there will be problems to send us the media, can you send us money, so we can print them here ?
21:00:15 <cwickert> ardian: why should there be problems? you mean the timing?
21:00:45 <ardian> Yes, I am more afraid of the post
21:01:01 <ardian> ours is 24th of june
21:01:10 <cwickert> we will manage that
21:01:17 <ardian> ok thanks
21:01:22 <ardian> eof
21:01:34 <cwickert> the problem with self printed media is that I don't know if you are allowed to do them
21:01:56 <cwickert> if you do selfmade ones, you need to follow the media handout requirements
21:02:00 <ardian> really ? umm we have done that every time
21:02:07 <cwickert> #link https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Media_Handout_Requirements
21:02:23 <ardian> ok
21:02:45 <cwickert> ardian: of course you can do this, but you must not say that these are *official* media by the Fedora Project
21:03:04 <cwickert> and some of the media requirements are too strict I think
21:03:28 <ardian> all right
21:03:36 <cwickert> but anyway, I am very confident that we can make it till June 24th
21:03:45 <cwickert> lets talk about this after the meeting
21:04:00 <cwickert> anything more on release events? should we change the topic pack?
21:04:06 <cwickert> s/pack/back
21:04:38 <cwickert> ok, moving on then
21:04:43 <cwickert> #topic https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Media_Handout_Requirements
21:04:46 <cwickert> #undo
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21:04:56 <cwickert> #topic Action items from previous meetings
21:05:10 <cwickert> lets see what we have...
21:05:23 <cwickert> this week I have been very bad because I was busy with LinuxTag
21:05:29 <cwickert> #link http://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting/2011-05-04/fedora-meeting.2011-05-04-20.01.html
21:05:36 <cwickert> DONE - cwickert to send out a reminder for release events deadline and remind people to file budget requests for their events
21:05:45 <cwickert> NOT DONE - cwickert to send out mail about primary distribution
21:05:50 <cwickert> #action cwickert to send out mail about primary distribution
21:06:04 <cwickert> my plan was to go with the addresses from the F14 cycle
21:06:21 <cwickert> if anybody volunteers to distribute media in his region please contact me
21:06:32 <cwickert> sesivany1: how about you for example?
21:06:46 <cwickert> DONE - cwickert to get in touch with the design-team about media art
21:07:04 <cwickert> however the media art is not finished, but I tried my best
21:07:13 <cwickert> NOT DONE - cwickert to bring the idea of common event pages up on the wiki
21:07:19 <cwickert> #action cwickert to bring the idea of common event pages up on the wiki
21:07:32 * t2hot wishes he can see the media art so far
21:07:51 <cwickert> ok, this definitely needs to be done at some point, but I don't consider it urgent, the release is more important
21:08:03 <cwickert> #link
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21:08:11 <cwickert> #link http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Artwork/MediaArt/F15
21:08:12 <sesivany1> we will use media for sure, we will have several events in next months and there are always some little events where we can use them as well.
21:08:49 <cwickert> ok sesivany1, please file a ticket at https://fedorahosted.org/emea-swag-tracking/
21:08:58 <cwickert> #info file tickets for F15 media at https://fedorahosted.org/emea-swag-tracking/
21:09:07 <sesivany1> ?
21:09:17 <cwickert> t2hot: does that wiki page answer your question about the media art?
21:09:46 <t2hot> cwickert, ff is taking its time ... MTN actually.  Carry on
21:10:09 <sesivany1> is there limit of what we can get? last time (and first time for us) we got about 110 and it was barely enough for one bigger event (LinuxExpo).
21:10:13 <cwickert> t2hot: ok, but it's in there
21:10:26 <cwickert> sesivany1: no limits :)
21:10:47 <cwickert> sesivany1: last time we only had 3000 media for EMEA. this time we will have 6000
21:10:55 <cwickert> I can easily send you 500
21:11:02 <sesivany1> ok, I just didn't know how much to ask for. We will figure it out with Jarda then.
21:11:17 <cwickert> ok, don't forget to file tickets
21:11:22 <cwickert> #topic Open Floor
21:11:32 <ardian> ?
21:11:33 <cwickert> anything else that needs to be discussed?
21:11:37 <cwickert> ardian: yes please
21:11:43 <ardian> 1 more question about the media
21:11:57 <cwickert> #undo
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21:11:58 <ardian> Will we have the multi layer in this release ?
21:12:08 <cwickert> ah, good question indeed
21:12:28 <cwickert> it is "Multi Desktop" and "Dual layer"
21:12:32 <cwickert> not multi layer :)
21:12:41 <cwickert> anyway, the answer is YES
21:12:52 <cwickert> at least for the livemedia
21:12:58 <ardian> awesome
21:13:04 <ardian> eof
21:13:15 <cwickert> for the installer however I am still working with rel-eng and QA
21:13:34 <cwickert> because I forgot to tell them that we also want the installer Dual Arch
21:13:46 <cwickert> but they will do it once we have sufficient testing
21:13:55 <cwickert> you can help us testing
21:14:28 * cwickert looks...
21:14:55 <cwickert> this is the test plan for the multo desktop spin
21:14:58 <cwickert> #link https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Test_Results:Fedora_15_Final_Multi_Boot_DVD
21:15:26 <cwickert> and the image is at http://serverbeach1.fedoraproject.org/pub/alt/stage/15.RC3/Multi/
21:15:31 <cwickert> yeah!
21:15:36 <cwickert> the installer is also there
21:15:43 <cwickert> Hooray, they did it!!!
21:15:53 <cwickert> thanks to rel-eng!
21:16:03 <cwickert> so we will have everything dual arch this time
21:16:13 * cwickert dances though the room
21:16:29 <cwickert> ok, more on this?
21:16:59 <cwickert> #topic Open Floor
21:17:20 <cwickert> if no more questions arise I will close the meeting in 5 minutes
21:17:37 <cwickert> #info: plesae help us testing the dual arch installer DVD and the multi desktop spin
21:17:42 <cwickert> #undo
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21:17:47 <cwickert> #info: please help us testing the dual arch installer DVD and the multi desktop spin
21:20:17 * cwickert will close the meeting in 2 minutes
21:21:14 <cwickert> #endmeeting