23:06:03 <nb> #startmeeting fedora docs
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23:06:08 <nb> #meetingname docs
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23:06:16 <nb> #chair jjmcd
23:06:17 <zodbot> Current chairs: jjmcd nb
23:06:30 <nb> #topic Roll call
23:06:32 * nb 
23:06:40 * jhradilek is here.
23:06:44 * rudi_ is here
23:06:44 * jjmcd 
23:07:43 <nb> #topic draft guide status and buildsystem status
23:07:45 <nb> rudi_, ?
23:07:48 <nb> and jjmcd  maybe?
23:08:03 <rudi_> Frustratingly close!
23:08:09 <jjmcd> Sorry, I can't help much here
23:08:16 <rudi_> I'm having trouble with the sqlite database
23:08:37 <jjmcd> The db itself or the perl around it?
23:08:42 <rudi_> Even though it's supposedly using UTF-8, non ASCII characters are getting munched
23:09:02 <rudi_> Which is a problem for practically every language other than English :(
23:09:26 <jjmcd> Yeah, I had to do a fair bit of screwing around with d-p-r to resolve that
23:09:31 <rudi_> If anyone has any sqlite chops, I'd be grateful for suggestions
23:09:38 <jjmcd> and none of what I ended up doing made any sense
23:09:51 <rudi_> jjmcd -- sorry, d-p-r?
23:09:58 <jjmcd> doc-publican-rpm
23:10:08 <rudi_> (Still a bit flu-ish this morning, head is cloudy)
23:10:13 <rudi_> Oh right
23:10:19 <rudi_> Did you find a solution?
23:10:36 <jjmcd> Yeah, but I never really understood why
23:10:55 <jjmcd> Seems like the problem was that C wanted to output ASCII
23:11:13 <jjmcd> I wonder if what you are seeing isn't happening in the perl
23:11:31 <rudi_> No -- the spec file has valid UTF-8 in it
23:11:52 <rudi_> It's happening when yum processes the %post part of the spec :(
23:12:04 <jjmcd> oh great
23:12:05 <rudi_> s/ym/rpm
23:13:05 <jjmcd> Doesn't sound like a lot of fun
23:13:59 <rudi_> Anyway; getting the automation in place just hinges on that; everything else is working fine
23:14:36 <rudi_> (automatic checkout of sources, automatic update of translations, automatic package build, automatic installation)
23:14:48 <nb> rudi_, great, i'm glad to hear progress is being made
23:15:24 <nb> anything else on this topic?
23:16:36 <rudi_> not right now
23:16:49 <nb> #topic Fedora 15 Schedule
23:16:55 <nb> we should be getting a f-r-n built
23:16:57 <nb> i think this is done?
23:17:07 <nb> have we refreshed the pots in tx.net for the guides that have been updated?
23:17:18 <jjmcd> OK, lots here
23:17:36 <jjmcd> First of all, the RPM is built.  Many thanks to those who gave it karma
23:17:44 <jjmcd> Got through bodhi in record time
23:17:49 <jjmcd> Unfortunately ....
23:17:58 <jjmcd> THe only language in the RPM is en-US
23:18:13 <nb> why?
23:18:16 <jjmcd> I could seem to do NOTHING with tx, and neither rudi nor nb were around
23:18:20 <nb> oh
23:18:21 <jjmcd> *BUT*
23:18:29 <jjmcd> It was moot, there were no translations ready
23:18:44 <jjmcd> I know the French team was working hard
23:19:05 <jjmcd> But even after I dragged my feet past where I should have they were only at 75%
23:19:36 <jjmcd> So it went out with en-US only.  Translations will have to wait for zero day
23:19:42 <nb> i have doubts about if we will make final
23:19:53 <jjmcd> In the process I made a number of improvements to d-p-r
23:20:01 <jjmcd> so it you have it installed get a new copy
23:20:06 <nb> i think its supposed to be next tuesday and i don't think they've gotten a live RC able to be built yet
23:20:15 <jjmcd> Ahhhh, interesting
23:20:27 * jjmcd will be in Lansing all day Tuesday
23:20:41 <nb> jjmcd, if we slip, we could possibly push a new f-r-n through
23:20:47 <jjmcd> Sure
23:21:11 <jjmcd> If you and/or rudi could help get me through these tx issues, making an rpm is a piece of cake
23:21:41 <rudi_> jjmcd -- sure; let's link up later
23:21:53 <jjmcd> I must be missing somehting
23:22:04 <jjmcd> It complains I don't have a .transifexrc but I do
23:22:16 <nb> and make sure you use transifex from hg
23:22:18 <nb> not the one in the repos
23:22:29 <jjmcd> I prolly have the one from yum
23:22:51 <nb> it should work but just won't map the langcodes for you
23:23:02 <jjmcd> aaarrghh
23:23:48 <jjmcd> does he have an rpm on hg or do I need to do the tarball thing
23:23:55 <nb> tarball thing
23:24:01 <nb> jjmcd, i'll build an updated one
23:24:17 <jjmcd> won't be the first time I've typie ./config
23:24:49 <rudi_> Ah OK -- nb, did you install the version from nb on that test server?
23:24:55 <rudi_> *from hg!
23:25:04 <nb> #topic Release Notes
23:25:06 <nb> rudi_, no
23:25:13 <nb> rudi_, i'll get a link after the meeting
23:25:35 <rudi_> Ta
23:27:34 <nb> anything else about release notes?
23:27:43 <jjmcd> not that I have
23:29:46 <nb> #topic Guide Status
23:31:09 <nb> anything about the guides?
23:31:37 <rudi_> Not right now; other than observing that we're obviously very late this time round
23:31:52 * jhradilek is obviously very late with Deployment Guide.
23:32:46 <rudi_> We might need to define a core set of guides that we will ensure will be available at GA
23:32:58 <rudi_> The IG is probably one of them
23:33:32 <jjmcd> Trouble is, the UG is another important one and it needs tons of work this release
23:33:46 <jjmcd> Prolly the IG is going to turn out hard, too
23:33:52 <rudi_> Yeah, it is :(
23:34:08 <rudi_> But I'll step up and guarantee the IG for GA
23:34:23 <rudi_> (and will try for the IQSG as well)
23:34:37 <rudi_> We won't have translations for GA though
23:34:40 <nb> have we updated the pots lately?
23:34:44 <nb> or have we had many changes?
23:34:51 <jjmcd> I know zach is trying to get the UG done
23:35:17 <rudi_> No, not (m)any changes yet
23:35:54 <jhradilek> I will do my best to finish the Deployment Guide in time, but I cannot guarantee that. :-/
23:53:46 <rudi_> Hmmm -- have we dropped out or something?
23:54:22 <jhradilek> Looks like it.
23:54:44 <jjmcd> I've been patiently waiting
23:55:39 <jjmcd> Well, nb did you fall asleep?
23:56:11 <jjmcd> OK, moving on then
23:56:24 <jjmcd> #topic Open floor discussion
23:56:36 <jjmcd> (Since we didn't have much of an agenda)
23:57:06 <jjmcd> Anyone have anything?  rbergeron?  quaid?  Other lurkers?
23:58:06 <jjmcd> I guess I'll post the minutes.  Thanks all
23:58:10 <jjmcd> #endmeeting